S-FM 245 Which Witch is Which? - GYRLANDER -

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If neither of us are Witches, and neither is Soviet, putting him at L-2 means both witches could come on and vote him, thus ending day 1 then blaming 1 of us for starting the chain.
Unless that was the goal?

The hammer would automatically get lynched. However, what the hell was the goal of this? Something weird just happened there

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh, adding sheeping to the list: to sheep someone/a vote is to vote with someone without giving a reason.

[Noz_Bugz]

Also saying this right now, I'll be talking more. the first game was me watching to see how it's played here. (inb4 i lurk...AGAIN)

[Distorted]

The hammer would automatically get lynched. However, what the hell was the goal of this? Something weird just happened there

Looking for reaction. but a game with multiple new people, if the hammer was a new player that throws an entirely new variable into it; especially since auto-lynching the hammer ends the game if he is town.

[Distorted]

Also saying this right now, I'll be talking more. the first game was me watching to see how it's played here. (inb4 i lurk...AGAIN)

im pretty sure the panda in your signature is a killer........

[Noz_Bugz]

im pretty sure the panda in your signature is a killer........

how dar u. DISREPCING DE PANDA

[Soviet_Love]

Hi don't vote me lol I was eating! Yeezus.

Thoughts on a role call Day 1? Worst case scenario if everyone participates we get 3 citizen claims and 4 hunter claims. Will let us narrow it down. Only 2 people have an incentive to lie out of 7.

I suggest this because the numbers are low enough where just 2 or 3 people state roles would have a large effect on the game.

[Distorted]

Going to state this now:

Due to how crucial this game is we need everyone to communicate day 1 - Lurkers or people who do not talk and just delay the game will be my #1 choice for a lynch.

[Distorted]

how crucial the lynches in this game are* lol

[Ganelon]

how crucial the lynches in this game are* lol

And this is why the meta is Lynch Distorted d2 :P (kidding)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also saying this right now, I'll be talking more. the first game was me watching to see how it's played here. (inb4 i lurk...AGAIN)

Nice! We'll need everyone's input in order to win this game. As Distorted said, this is a merciless setup.

[Noz_Bugz]

Yeah, one mistake and we are at LyLo w/out lynching scum if they have a nightkill. I personally think we should treat it as if they have a Nightkill

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hi don't vote me lol I was eating! Yeezus.

Thoughts on a role call Day 1? Worst case scenario if everyone participates we get 3 citizen claims and 4 hunter claims. Will let us narrow it down. Only 2 people have an incentive to lie out of 7.

I suggest this because the numbers are low enough where just 2 or 3 people state roles would have a large effect on the game.

Sadly this is not how FM works... And even if only the scums were lying about their roles, I'd be against this.
There is why: TPRs (Town Power Roles) will probably want to claim Citizen in order to survive at night. You can't be 100% sure townies won't lie about their roles.

But the next this is that a mass rolecall only reveals TPRs in such a setup. I've played a very very very similar setup called Super Basic, 7 players with two TPRs two mafia (one mafioso one consig/consort) and 3 citizens. A massive rolecall was ordered, and all the TPRs (two detectives, I was one ) died. Then our dear host Gyrlander won as scum, even if (s?)he had claimed doctor before. Gyrlander managed to convince players that she had claimed Doctor in order to act as a meat shield, so the real TPRs wouldn't get killed. The game ended on a Mafia win. I don't want to see such a thing again.


So short story: NO MASS ROLE CALL ON DAY ONE.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah, one mistake and we are at LyLo w/out lynching scum if they have a nightkill. I personally think we should treat it as if they have a Nightkill

They have a nightkill, read the setup :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

how crucial the lynches in this game are* lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

And this is why the meta is Lynch Distorted d2 :P (kidding)

^^ let's get a serious meta note about Distorted though: he is a GREAT scum and will seem very pro-town to everyone as scum. Sorry Distorted, but since The Return of Haloden, I will never ever trust you unless host posts Distorted is the mayor with 3 votes.

[blinkskater]

Sadly this is not how FM works... And even if only the scums were lying about their roles, I'd be against this.
There is why: TPRs (Town Power Roles) will probably want to claim Citizen in order to survive at night. You can't be 100% sure townies won't lie about their roles.

But the next this is that a mass rolecall only reveals TPRs in such a setup. I've played a very very very similar setup called Super Basic, 7 players with two TPRs two mafia (one mafioso one consig/consort) and 3 citizens. A massive rolecall was ordered, and all the TPRs (two detectives, I was one ) died. Then our dear host Gyrlander won as scum, even if (s?)he had claimed doctor before. Gyrlander managed to convince players that she had claimed Doctor in order to act as a meat shield, so the real TPRs wouldn't get killed. The game ended on a Mafia win. I don't want to see such a thing again.


So short story: NO MASS ROLE CALL ON DAY ONE.

Im all for a role claim in this scenario i have nothing to hide im only a mere ctizen

[Gyrlander]

I just see a scenario that if we mis-lynch here we will have 2 witches calling out false leads.

But, in the setup im not seeing if witches know who eachother are or not, or if they share a night chat.

@Gyrlander do witches know each other? and do they have a night chat?

and btw: at the end of ur abbreviations you should type what they mean for the new players, since the terms here are not used on the mod (sc2mafia)

Affirmative and Affirmative.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

2 or 4 votes would work too btw ;)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Im all for a role claim in this scenario i have nothing to hide im only a mere ctizen

DON'T START THE ROLE CALL PLEASE!! Not yet. On day two, maybe.

[blinkskater]

Also id like to state that in my very humble opinion we dont really need a lynch today,

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Magoroth get your vote off sovietlove please. Just so the day doesn't get ruined by a turbo L-1.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also id like to state that in my very humble opinion we dont really need a lynch today,

You are stating things but not giving reasons for the statements. Mind to elaborate a little bit?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

By the way, I'll go off for ± 3 hours soon, don't scream lurker alert please :P

[blinkskater]

DON'T START THE ROLE CALL PLEASE!! Not yet. On day two, maybe.

Still doesnt matter, evils will lie TPRs will lie heck even im probally lieing

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Still doesnt matter, evils will lie TPRs will lie heck even im probally lieing

It just creates more confusion, can we just talk for now please? Don't start messing up with people's minds!

[blinkskater]

You are stating things but not giving reasons for the statements. Mind to elaborate a little bit?

I believe that a Lynch on day one it's completely random based on the fact that we have no night actions to go off of also if witch successfully kills it would be a 4 V 2 which is still in heavy favor of our town

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I believe that a Lynch on day one it's completely random based on the fact that we have no night actions to go off of also if witch successfully kills it would be a 4 V 2 which is still in heavy favor of our town

Hm, actually MYLO is not that bad... Maybe you're right, we should wait.

[blinkskater]

Hm, actually MYLO is not that bad... Maybe you're right, we should wait.

indeed but like you or distorted before both witches can just spit completely false leads they too and confuse the s*** out of everybody

[Marshmallow Marshall]

indeed but like you or distorted before both witches can just spit completely false leads they too and confuse the s*** out of everybody

Me and Distorted before both witches? I don't get what that means o.O

[OzyWho]

Here is what I think:

Evils win no matter what IF they make town mislynch on D2.
(Obvious exception is if town lynch an evil on D1)

So as far as I can tell, we have 2 options only:
1. Lynch neither on D1 nor on D2 and hope we remain 3v2 on D3 with a lot of info to work with.
2. We lynch someone on D1 whom half players find evil, other half find him good - making our D2 lynch much easier.

If we don't lynch on D1, then we agree to not lynch on D2 either and hope that only 0-2 townies died before D3.
If we mislynch on day D1, then we lynch on D2 and evil or gg.

Of the two options that I mentioned: 2nd one can be worked around by the evils with mindgames.

I advocate we abstain for D1 and D2. Unless someone can come up with a reason why more than 2 townies could die before D3.
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do witches know who eachother are?

I love FM lol. Every post makes me paranoid. Like this question of yours - it makes me wonder if you do that on purpose so others think that you can't possibly be a witch.
I get more and more paranoid during this FM lol
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@Marshmallow Marshall , I have procrastinated all the reading till this point. I expect myself to have read it all of FM Guides before D1 ends.

[Distorted]

Here is what I think:

Evils win no matter what IF they make town mislynch on D2.
(Obvious exception is if town lynch an evil on D1)

So as far as I can tell, we have 2 options only:
1. Lynch neither on D1 nor on D2 and hope we remain 3v2 on D3 with a lot of info to work with.
2. We lynch someone on D1 whom half players find evil, other half find him good - making our D2 lynch much easier.

If we don't lynch on D1, then we agree to not lynch on D2 either and hope that only 0-2 townies died before D3.
If we mislynch on day D1, then we lynch on D2 and evil or gg.

Of the two options that I mentioned: 2nd one can be worked around by the evils with mindgames.

I advocate we abstain for D1 and D2. Unless someone can come up with a reason why more than 2 townies could die before D3.
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I love FM lol. Every post makes me paranoid. Like this question of yours - it makes me wonder if you do that on purpose so others think that you can't possibly be a witch.
I get more and more paranoid during this FM lol
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@Marshmallow Marshall , I have procrastinated all the reading till this point. I expect myself to have read it all of FM Guides before D1 ends.

+1

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Here is what I think:

Evils win no matter what IF they make town mislynch on D2.
(Obvious exception is if town lynch an evil on D1)

So as far as I can tell, we have 2 options only:
1. Lynch neither on D1 nor on D2 and hope we remain 3v2 on D3 with a lot of info to work with.
2. We lynch someone on D1 whom half players find evil, other half find him good - making our D2 lynch much easier.

If we don't lynch on D1, then we agree to not lynch on D2 either and hope that only 0-2 townies died before D3.
If we mislynch on day D1, then we lynch on D2 and evil or gg.

Of the two options that I mentioned: 2nd one can be worked around by the evils with mindgames.

I advocate we abstain for D1 and D2. Unless someone can come up with a reason why more than 2 townies could die before D3.
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I love FM lol. Every post makes me paranoid. Like this question of yours - it makes me wonder if you do that on purpose so others think that you can't possibly be a witch.
I get more and more paranoid during this FM lol
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@Marshmallow Marshall , I have procrastinated all the reading till this point. I expect myself to have read it all of FM Guides before D1 ends.

Grandmaster. There is also the possibility of Anti-Mage (Vigilante) that can add a death to the count. Plus, I feel like the experienced players are gonna die first (RIP me and Distorted). You're not that right about the D2 MYLO: Pyromancer can't kill N1, and GM might miss a kill. Let's not lynch D1. I did not take what you guys have said in account when I said we had to lynch today.

Also I KNOW FM IS SO FUN XD
It's all good, you seem to already think correctly and you are being good for a new player

[Marshmallow Marshall]

+1

Explaining: +1 means adding a "town point" to that guy, so Distorted trusts OzyWho more because of this post. And I agree with him

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ok now going off, have fun guys I expect having something interesting to read when I'll be back... and I'll probably have more than I expect ^^

[Soviet_Love]

Sadly this is not how FM works... And even if only the scums were lying about their roles, I'd be against this.
There is why: TPRs (Town Power Roles) will probably want to claim Citizen in order to survive at night. You can't be 100% sure townies won't lie about their roles.

But the next this is that a mass rolecall only reveals TPRs in such a setup. I've played a very very very similar setup called Super Basic, 7 players with two TPRs two mafia (one mafioso one consig/consort) and 3 citizens. A massive rolecall was ordered, and all the TPRs (two detectives, I was one ) died. Then our dear host Gyrlander won as scum, even if (s?)he had claimed doctor before. Gyrlander managed to convince players that she had claimed Doctor in order to act as a meat shield, so the real TPRs wouldn't get killed. The game ended on a Mafia win. I don't want to see such a thing again.


So short story: NO MASS ROLE CALL ON DAY ONE.

The scum claiming town power, and then claiming citizen and saying they're a meat shield is something i hadn't considered. I agree - no mass role call day1.

Well then.. I don't really know what we can do. We are just rando lynching otherwise.

[blinkskater]

Me and Distorted before both witches? I don't get what that means o.O

I made a typo it was supposed to say "like you or distorted said" sorry

[Distorted]

By the way, I'll go off for ± 3 hours soon, don't scream lurker alert please :P

Lurker

[blinkskater]

Lurker

Its probally just minimized o. His phone or something lol

[Distorted]

Its probally just minimized o. His phone or something lol

nah he asked us not to scream it at him =P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The scum claiming town power, and then claiming citizen and saying they're a meat shield is something i hadn't considered. I agree - no mass role call day1.

Well then.. I don't really know what we can do. We are just rando lynching otherwise.

I have changed my point on D1 lynch. If we let a night pass, we'll get a lot of information about the scum's roles and probably gather more information on players. We'll also get input from everyone (I hope!) before lynching someone. Let's just talk.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Lurker

Lol at least you didn't scream xD

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait, THAT'S ALL?! And I'm the only one browsing this thread?!!! Crap... We need more than that, guys! Communication is critical. 5 pages (assuming you have pages of 20 posts) isn't enough let's get this started better tomorrow IRL day.

[Ganelon]

I apologize for the inactivity. I only got home about an hour ago. I am going to cancel my vote on Soviet Love in a moment.

-vote unvote

[Distorted]

hmm I think we should still decide someone to lynch. Whether we follow through with that lynch or not will be decided later.

@OzyWho you are my strongest town read due to your post. However, it is 1 post and then leaving. anyone can post a good town strategy in 1 post and afk so will want to hear more from you as this day progresses.

[Distorted]

@Noz_Bugz would like to see more from you as well and @Soviet_Love

Let's start pressure, start getting information.

[Distorted]

-vote noz_bugs

What is your take on what town should do today?

[Distorted]

-vote noz_bugz

mis-spelled name.

[Noz_Bugz]

My opinion is that we shouldn't lynch D1 unless we have a solid lead. One misslynch and we are fucked imo

[Soviet_Love]

Hi I am just posting to post. You say you want to hear more from me but idk what we can do d1 if people don't claim roles... someone in the last game I played (Rumox) did this and I thought it was really helpful.

So far, the only claim I brought out was blink claiming citizen. Then he later claimed he may be lying, and given that he was Arsonist last game and claimed doctor I'm wary about it. But I really don't get why a town would claim a role.

So far:

Hidden Witch
Hidden Witch
Hidden Witch Hunter
Hidden Witch Hunter
Citizen - Blinkskater
Citizen
Citizen