S-FM 298: Third Line Butterfly

[BananaCucho]

Light was the only person scumreading Banana on day 1...

That's not even a scumread though. That's a cryptic "Banana and MM are tied together" message that he set up to try to make his fakeclaim look more credible

I didn't see any actual scumread on me from Kira yesterday.

[DS.]

The actress kinda fucks everything though so we cant really play assuming anything.

Why do you think its MM when Light is seemingly implicating him? You think Light is hard bussing MM for town cred?

[theoneceko]

Light did, but Lights leads arn't set in stone 100% confirmed. I know that my alignment is the same as Ganelons, whereas the other lead confirms nothing.

Again, rest of town shouldn't believe Banana over Light based on what YOU'RE suggesting.

[DS.]

Why do you think Ganelon started the Revenant lynch instead of Banana?

I detailed why at eod yesterday. I called that there was no movement to save revenant and then he made one suddenly with the help of DW and MM

[DS.]

Kira's fakeclaim play makes so much more sense now. Bus MM for that sweet towncred, then use it to mislynch me tomorrow

God damn

I feel like that is beyond Kira's ability level actually

[DS.]

This game only allows one mislynch. That's pretty rough

Two mislynches actually

[DS.]

I had no intention of claiming today. I wanted to push for MM's lynch without revealing my role.

I was forced to cc by the fakeclaim

Can you show where you breadcrumbed yesterday if at all?

[BananaCucho]

The actress kinda fucks everything though so we cant really play assuming anything.

Why do you think its MM when Light is seemingly implicating him? You think Light is hard bussing MM for town cred?

I think it's MM independent of any checks. I reread MM, found him to be scummy, made a case on him, saw my feedback that MM and DW have different alignments, and decided to post my case in hopes to get MM pushed and lynched. Then everything happened and I haven't reread DW, so my scumread on MM has stayed the same

So yes, if MM is scum then the play is for Kira to get towncred for lynching MM, then turn it around and get me mislynched to win - OR if the plan fails and Kira is lynched (actress) then after he flips "Justice" I am pushed to be mislynched

If DW is scum then the play was just to mislynch MM who had a bunch of scum reads on him, play a) get MM mislynched, if fail backup plan b) stays the same, after Kira flips justice either I or MM is mislynched

This is what makes most sense in my head at least. I could be completely wrong. I'm just going off of what I do know and trying to make sense of it

[deathworlds]

It's friday night ladies and gents. What's your drink?

Bleach if we end up mislynching lmao

[DS.]

Well, yeah. But I also should be looking at the possibility of you being scum as well. What if it's you and Kira and MM is town? And he (Kira) was never even bussing MM in the first place? We mislynch him and we lose, you and Kira coast to an easy victory here today because nobody is even considering the possibility of YOU being scum

-unvote

Yeah it doesnt make sense from a town!Banana POV to think MM is scum and Light is hard bussing, like I think you should be considering DW more scum than MM...

[BananaCucho]

Two mislynches actually

One. If Irreverent was town (which I believe he was), then today is MYLYO. Another mislynch is gg

Can you show where you breadcrumbed yesterday if at all?

I addressed this with treecko. People were TPR hunting so I didn't want to give myself up. Not really my playstyle anyway. I tried it once on mafiascum (I was mason, I said a post like "this post was brought to you by the number 3 and the letter 'G'" cause there were 3 masons and G is a masonic letter) and nobody picked up on it, and so I've never really bothered to play that way.

[DS.]

I think it's MM independent of any checks. I reread MM, found him to be scummy, made a case on him, saw my feedback that MM and DW have different alignments, and decided to post my case in hopes to get MM pushed and lynched. Then everything happened and I haven't reread DW, so my scumread on MM has stayed the same

So yes, if MM is scum then the play is for Kira to get towncred for lynching MM, then turn it around and get me mislynched to win - OR if the plan fails and Kira is lynched (actress) then after he flips "Justice" I am pushed to be mislynched

If DW is scum then the play was just to mislynch MM who had a bunch of scum reads on him, play a) get MM mislynched, if fail backup plan b) stays the same, after Kira flips justice either I or MM is mislynched

This is what makes most sense in my head at least. I could be completely wrong. I'm just going off of what I do know and trying to make sense of it

You come off very genuine, if you are scum i will be proud of this level of play honestly

[BananaCucho]

Yeah it doesnt make sense from a town!Banana POV to think MM is scum and Light is hard bussing, like I think you should be considering DW more scum than MM...

I'll probably get to that reread tonight when I'm wasted and can't sleep at 3 am lol

[DS.]

One. If Irreverent was town (which I believe he was), then today is MYLYO. Another mislynch is gg



I addressed this with treecko. People were TPR hunting so I didn't want to give myself up. Not really my playstyle anyway. I tried it once on mafiascum (I was mason, I said a post like "this post was brought to you by the number 3 and the letter 'G'" cause there were 3 masons and G is a masonic letter) and nobody picked up on it, and so I've never really bothered to play that way.

Two mislynches in the game, one left. We are saying the same thing I guess

[theoneceko]

First "Banana is CONFIRMED Justice because I'm 100% TOWN," then claims Cit out of desperation, then this post. Let me pick you apart some more Varc.

Then why don't you kill me with your night kill and find out what I am? You don't need a lynch to figure out my role, I need a lynch to figure out MM's.

Geez, his defense keeps getting weaker and weaker lol. SCUM SLIP. You called Light an actress SO many times:

That's because your actress, they'll assume that we are scum cause you'll flip Justice dummy, you literally visited Banana last night.

Almost as enlightening as disguising as the Justice, isn't that right Yagami?

I didn't until today actually to be completely honest, if we lynch you today you flip as justice when you are actually actress. Then we go tomorrow and be like "her derr banana isn't the real justice" and kill the real justice too.

I can't find a way to justify it, it does not make sense to me. We have to be careful though, cause actress could fuck us if it is Yagami if we lynch him today.

I will not act fundamentally confirmed until tomorrow, as we now know who two of the scum are.

My vote will stay on MM, we will lynch him today then if he is scum like Banana says, Yagami (the actress) tomorrow).

Why would Light kill you when he's an ACTRESS that can learn your role?

[BananaCucho]

You come off very genuine, if you are scum i will be proud of this level of play honestly

If I was scum there's no way DW thinks I'm town lol. That man scares me how well he can read me

[BananaCucho]

Two mislynches in the game, one left. We are saying the same thing I guess

Yeah, what I mean is that we're afforded/allowed one mislynch without losing. Which damn is really rough, usually I get to mislynch 2-3 people before luckily striking gold

[deathworlds]

If I was scum there's no way DW thinks I'm town lol. That man scares me how well he can read me

[DS.]

This scenario doesn't exist and here's why. If MM flips green and the game doesn't end, we know that either MM or Irreverent was actress because if its 3v3 I'm pretty sure the game ends right there, town doesn't have a way to get 4 votes to lynch a mafia. So there's no need to make that play

They only need one mislynch, so their plan makes most sense as a) MM is bussed, Kira gets towncred to then turn around and mislynch me, or b) (backup plan) it backfires, Kira is lynched, he flips as justice, then I'm in turn mislynched next day and they win anyway

I don't see any scenario in which MM is actress if he's scum and DW is town

This seems like town logic but my concern is always - path of least resistance. If Scum can win today, why would they choose to do the long play? They could just push DW as scum and win instead.

[Varcron]

This seems like town logic but my concern is always - path of least resistance. If Scum can win today, why would they choose to do the long play? They could just push DW as scum and win instead.

The problem is most people who believed that DW was scum apart from MM have switched off of him; it makes zero sense for MM to scum paint his scum buddy when he is already practically confirmed.

Even my weird ass logic can't explain that.

[DS.]

Is there any mechanical value to a no lynch here?

[BananaCucho]

This seems like town logic but my concern is always - path of least resistance. If Scum can win today, why would they choose to do the long play? They could just push DW as scum and win instead.

I guess. I don't know.

[Varcron]

First "Banana is CONFIRMED Justice because I'm 100% TOWN," then claims Cit out of desperation, then this post. Let me pick you apart some more Varc.



Geez, his defense keeps getting weaker and weaker lol. SCUM SLIP. You called Light an actress SO many times:











Why would Light kill you when he's an ACTRESS that can learn your role?

I think he'd be more likely to keep me alive and scum paint me more later on for an easier win if we do lynch a scum today.

[deathworlds]

This seems like town logic but my concern is always - path of least resistance. If Scum can win today, why would they choose to do the long play? They could just push DW as scum and win instead.

Forcing two 1v1's between town and scum and MYLO forces town to make the correct choice twice.

[Varcron]

Is there any mechanical value to a no lynch here?

Not really, it just gives us one extra day to hammer a scum.

[DS.]

If it's Mylo I am almost more inclined to vote between Light/Banana because it removes the wifom aspect of both of the justices results

[theoneceko]

I didn't until today actually to be completely honest, if we lynch you today you flip as justice when you are actually actress. Then we go tomorrow and be like "her derr banana isn't the real justice" and kill the real justice too.

Saying "to be completely honest" doesn't make you more believable, no matter how desperately you wish it did.

You're falling apart at the seams bud. Might as well just throw in the towel.

[BananaCucho]

Is there any mechanical value to a no lynch here?

Just makes tomorrow LYLO. Oracle can't reveal actress, so even if Oracle is killed it doesn't benefit us any.

[DS.]

Not really, it just gives us one extra day to hammer a scum.

Theoretically with one less town player and one more Justice result right?

[DS.]

And a potential oracle flip

[BananaCucho]

If it's Mylo I am almost more inclined to vote between Light/Banana because it removes the wifom aspect of both of the justices results

I would be okay with this, for me its an easy vote lol

[Varcron]

Saying "to be completely honest" doesn't make you more believable, no matter how desperately you wish it did.

You're falling apart at the seams bud. Might as well just throw in the towel.

If you read my past games this is how I always talk, so no, I am not falling apart at the seams.

Do your research before you call me out on bullshit.

[DS.]

Just makes tomorrow LYLO. Oracle can't reveal actress, so even if Oracle is killed it doesn't benefit us any.

It could still flip information which could help us decide between the information you both provide tomorrow

[BananaCucho]

It could still flip information which could help us decide between the information you both provide tomorrow

I can see the logic in that

[DS.]

Does no lynching in any way put is in a worse position?

Not really right because its still mylo?

[DS.]

How many players right now?
@Frinckles can we vote to no lynch/skip?

[DS.]

How am I the first person to suggest a no lynch today, this seems like a clear positive for us.

[deathworlds]

If it's Mylo I am almost more inclined to vote between Light/Banana because it removes the wifom aspect of both of the justices results

But they're both incriminating MM.
Regardless of who we assume between the two is scum, they both are saying that MM is scum.
Light through strict mechanics
Banana through thinking MM is more likely to be scum than I.
If we assume that it's light that's Justice, then MM is confirmed scum.
If we assume that Banana is right, then it's between MM and I. But that doesn't change the fact that Light is incriminating MM in a bus.

[theoneceko]

Again it's like: who benefits most from Ganelon dying and flipping town?

Varcron during EOD:

I find it interesting how both DW and Ganelon switched after I purposely left that sus as hell message a few pages ago



The three of you changed to me, look at this lovely teaming again

I have 5 minutes to make a case, so I will make one. I have provided a hell of a lot more than Revenant, and I don't like the vibes of these three sheeping eachother.

Remember Ganelon's response to that?

You are so full of shit it hurts, that post was totally expected form you don’t lie

I want to know who everyone is to Ching tomorrow
if Varcron is scum I’ll go for Renegade first
if Varcron is town I’ll go for revenant
if Revenant is town I will vote Varcron
if Revenant is scum? I don’t know, MM?

I bet if Gane were still alive, him and DW would be hard-pushing Varcron rn. Especially considering how much DW sheeped Gane.

[Light_Yagami]

Is there any mechanical value to a no lynch here?

There Was Yesterday I Doubt One Would Be Wise Today.

[Renegade]

On Yigama:

But Im Pretty Sure Everyone Would Be Interested In Justice Feedback. I Feel Holding Back Any Intel Hinders Town Wouldnt You Agree.

And Just Like That Ganelon Is Confirmed Scum In My Book..

Who Says I Was Encouraging The Justice To Reveal. I Was Just Interested In What Feed Back Said Slot Might Have Received. Im Also Under The Impression That At This Point Justice Had Gotten A Same Alignment Check On Who Ever The PPL Were That He/She Checked. Otherwise There Would Have Been A Breaking News Article By Now.

I May Or May Not Be Able To Provide More Information Tomorrow..

These posts just reek of overly pre-planning - which is something I might expect a lucky actress finding justice n1 to do...

On Banana Cuchi

lol its just that you are now scumreading the guy you put the RVS vote on thats all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and voting to skip is anti town but maybe Light doesnt know that? Skips are common in the mod

But Ganelon now days Kira has FM experience, but would an experienced scum player act outright anti town?

Then again, I am kinda arguing "too scum to be scum", which I dislike a lot. So I'll join you guys for now, lets see what happens

-vote Light_Yagami

Here is an extremely interesting post from Banana Coochi. This definitely gives motivation to Yigama to knock him out, esp if he n1 actressed babana and found he was justice.

I always push for a day 1 lynch. Our only way to win is to lynch.

Remember the initial conflict was started because Yigama wanted to SKIP....

Naw Im with DW here, Justice should hold off for now. At least another day. If not, then we only get 1 days info to puzzle out

Justice can breadcrumb for now

These two posts in rapid fire suggest to me that Banana was laying the ground for justice d1 as well.... Just like Yigama was

I dont wanna lynch MM today. I have him amongst my strongest townreads. I can do an iso of him since so many people have expressed doubt, but I dont have the time to do that before day end

Interesting that this post seems to support Banbanas n1 action as justice.


Overall, I see much more supporting evidence for Banana Cuchie than Yigama. Yigama claiming first doesn't mean much to me, especially after he continued to bait for minutes. Of course a power play like that would be prepared and scum would attempt to claim first to get the upper hand, it just so happens Cuchie was in the thread at the same time and was able to CC him quickly.

Overall, my read is that Yigama/MM/Onegecko is scum, certainly DS could take onetreeko spot as scum but logically it does not add up with their posts so far.

We should absolutely lynch the CONFIRMED scum at this point.

-vote marshmellow marshall

[BananaCucho]

How many players right now?
@Frinckles can we vote to no lynch/skip?

How am I the first person to suggest a no lynch today, this seems like a clear positive for us.

I bet the answer is no, day 1 lynch was plurality. We are probably forced to lynch today

[Renegade]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

is it right now?

[DS.]

But they're both incriminating MM.
Regardless of who we assume between the two is scum, they both are saying that MM is scum.
Light through strict mechanics
Banana through thinking MM is more likely to be scum than I.
If we assume that it's light that's Justice, then MM is confirmed scum.
If we assume that Banana is right, then it's between MM and I. But that doesn't change the fact that Light is incriminating MM in a bus.

It doesnt make sense for Light to incriminate MM in a bus here. It would make more sense for him to try and push for a mislynch because that wins the game.

Either MM is scum or you are scum, but MM is not lock scum here actually. It's plagued by wifom either way

[theoneceko]

And note how I protected you, why would I do that only to be scumread? It makes zero sense as Justice.

The reason I was scumread yesterday was for defending you, and DW himself said that.

You're not Justice though? Another post where I don't understand your deterioriating logic...

[deathworlds]

How am I the first person to suggest a no lynch today, this seems like a clear positive for us.

Well, maybe it's good. It removes one of the variables from my PoV.
If scum kills me tonight, then MM is confirmed scum from everyones POV.
Scum won't kill between Light and Banana.
So that means scum will kill between
Varcron, DS., Ceko, Renegade.
That could narrow down things for us considerably, unless I'm missing something.

[Varcron]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

is it right now?

Apparently my vote from a few pages back didn't register cause spelling sucks

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[Varcron]

Well, maybe it's good. It removes one of the variables from my PoV.
If scum kills me tonight, then MM is confirmed scum from everyones POV.
Scum won't kill between Light and Banana.
So that means scum will kill between
Varcron, DS., Ceko, Renegade.
That could narrow down things for us considerably, unless I'm missing something.

I won't be killed in all likelyhood, I am scumread by too many people (easy mislynch rn)

[BananaCucho]

Well, maybe it's good. It removes one of the variables from my PoV.
If scum kills me tonight, then MM is confirmed scum from everyones POV.
Scum won't kill between Light and Banana.
So that means scum will kill between
Varcron, DS., Ceko, Renegade.
That could narrow down things for us considerably, unless I'm missing something.

The way you're posting
Seems oddly familiar
It's like a haiku

[theoneceko]

Third vote is scum is trash meme reasoning and has no actual basis in fact

Have you played with Helios or something ffs

LOL see what I mean? This guy's logic has CRUMBLED LIKE APPLE PIE CRUST.