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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    That, or... @theoneceko take a long think about why I wanted CyberWrath to reveal who he targeted last night, and why I wanted you to do that, too. And also any possible power claimants. I can’t say why, because the reason is so convenient if I’m Mafia (for me) that it would sound like an outright lie if I said it.

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    Yuesford (7 [L-0]): Oberon, LagAttack, theoneceko, Numbertwo, PQRnHack, Varcron, Marshmallow Marshall

    Yuesford has been voted off !



    Their role was :
    Spoiler : Role :
    Terrible Prophet



    Spoiler : Last Will :


    Hey Paopan ! [REDACTED]




    NIGHT 3 HAS STARTED AND WILL END IN :

    • 00

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    DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS



    Remember to send your night action !
    Last edited by Auwt; May 30th, 2021 at 03:24 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Postponed for another 3 hours.
    Sorry for the inconvenience.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    LAST HOPE

    Experimental setup




    Full Setup


    Day 4 is rising !



    PQRnHack has died

    Their role was :
    Spoiler : PQRnHack's role :
    Villager


    Their last will was :
    Spoiler : PQRnHack's LW :
    Blink is the safest lynch D4, although Darkness is not the most optimal Shadow role to lynch (support Shadow becomes a buffed Darkness thatretains previous role's powers).
    Wrath is either Templar or 3rd scum
    3rd scum candidates: ZZOrange, Numbertwo (although he did vote Yues D3), CRich, Wrath (if not Templar)
    Lag was leveled up by Magus D2
    Lagattack should be town (only other option would be Templar).
    Oberon is likely town Rogue as claimed (Wrath's dying/flip could confirm this).

    Keep in mind no kills N1 or N2.

    How Yues got to Terrible Prophet and why there were no kills...
    1. Darkness upgraded Yues N1 intentionally or via Rogue, which means someone dies N3 (whoever Yues targeted N2). No N2 kill suggests that either Darkness upgraded their other shadow (not Yues) or Darkness was manipulated by Psychic Magus into themselves or into other shadow (not Yues) or into Yues (who was already at max LVL 2) or into LVL1+ Hero who didn't want to disclose being leveled down. Darkness into Rogue(into Redirect) seems silly, but technically also possible. Darkness-into-Darkness via manipulation would be odd as Blink would know this (useless level up msg N2) and it would be dumb for his Glorious Master (LVL 2) claim to state that they were manipulated into Magus (LVL 3) if he already knew he was witched onto himself. But then again, he was moving to discredit Ceko Magus claim so maybe he didnt care what the real Magus knew to be false ("the gig was up" so to speak).
    2. Darkness upgraded another Shadow (not Yues) N1 and then upgraded Yues N2 via manipulation (by choice seems like a dumb play with all eyes on Yues after Frinckles flipped D2). Note that if Darkness was manipulated into Yues N2, Darkness would NOT be aware of that (until night chat resumed N3 or, as it happened, until Yues flipped during the day), as Auwt confirmed to me that Shadows do not learn of each others' role changes at end of night.

    It's difficult to picture MM as the Darkness (RBed N1) as I don't see any Darkness choosing to level up Yues N2. But MM could in theory be a shadow support role, though I don't read him as such. Darkness!Blink makes sense, especially if confirmed to have been manipulated.

    We should get some clarity once we find out about deaths, and of course Magus knows of any manipulations they may have performed.

    Take note of Yues's reported reads:
    "Town Powers: Frinckles, Oberon, Ceko and blink (Oberon is confirmed town power along with blink. He was attacked, hence not evil. Ceko is probably a starting town hero alongside me and Frinckles)
    50-50 Villagers/Evils: zzOrange, Porn, CRichard, Wrath || Reason:zzOrange (AFK he does this on not fun roles), Porn and CRichard might be town or evil (But I didn't read the whole thread so not sure)
    Suspected Evils: LagAttack (Leader), Valkron(Evil) and numbertwo(Evil) || Reason: Wants me lynched as fast as possible.
    Unknown but will never vote: MellowyMarshall"

    Love this from Yues earlier Very true!
    "That's assuming I'm the darkness? But what if I'm not.. Cos evil know I'm not the darkness."




    LagAttack has died

    Their role was :
    Spoiler : LagAttack's role :
    Villager


    Their last will was :
    Spoiler : LagAttack's LW :
    Even after all this, ceko still didn't level me up. FFS ceko.

    (Also if I'm dead - I was never leveled up by anyone. Just putting that information out there)

    Here are the facts:
    • Archer Frinckes followed Yuesford night 1 to see him visit blinkskater #1675
    • Ceko claims Magus leveling blinkskater up day 1 #4040
    • Wrath claims Magus leveling me up day 1 #4271
    • Oberon claims rogue #3510
    • ZZorange claims knight having checked Yuesford as NOT a member of the Shadows #4152
    • Ceko claims to have roleblocked MM + an unspecified player night 1 #3836
    • Wrath claims to have roleblocked MM + Yuesford night 1 #4233
    • Darkness , Shadow , and Templar remain ( Archer Frinckes - this should seem obvious, but this post just confirms that Archer Frinckes could NOT have been Sticky Impersonator ) #3850


    Therefore you can logically deduce the following:
    • Because neither Magus claim claims to have leveled up Yuesford day 1, then Yuesford must have been a Fanatic night 1.
    • Yuesford cannot have been horrored away from his house because then Archer Frinckes would not have been able to visit him.
    • Both Magus claims claim to have used roleblock night 1, therefore Yuesford couldn't have been manipulated.
    • Fanatics can only visit members of the Shadows , therefore blinkskater is mechanically confirmed Shadow or Darkness .
    • With 3 scum remaining and 2 scum among ( Ceko , Wrath , Oberon , ZZorange ) and blinkskater confirmed as the last scum. That means all of Marshmallow Marshall, Numbertwo, Varcron, LagAttack, CRichard, and PQRnHack are mechanically confirmed day 0 villagers.
    • WrathCyber claims to have roleblocked Yuesford + MM, but the RB hit MM. Since the roleblock hits the highest level and MM is confirmed level 0, that would mean Yuesford would have been a level 0 villager as well. Which he clearly wasn't, therefore WrathCyber is lying and is not the real Magus .
    • Since WrathCyber is not the real Magus , Ceko is confirmed as Magus .
    • ZZorange claims to check Yuesford and found him to be town, which is false. No Magus claims to have manipulated ZZorange , nor does he claim to have been manipulated himself. He also did not claim to have been horrered . Therefore ZZorange is lying and is NOT Knight .
    • Since ZZorange is NOT Knight , that means Oberon must be Rogue.


    Therefore your mechanically confirmed solve is:
    Ceko: Magus
    Frinckles: Archer -> Ranger
    Oberon: Rogue
    MM, #2, Varcron, LagAttack, CRichard, PQR, OzyWho: Villagers
    Yuesford: Fanatic -> Terrible Prophet
    blinkskater: Shadow (OR Darkness )
    ZZorange: Darkness (OR Shadow OR Templar )
    WrathCyber: Templar (OR Shadow OR Darkness )

    There is a high chance that blinkskater was Slime that got leveled up into Sticky Impersonator that is IMPERSONATING Glorious Master - do not trust him at all, he is mechanically confirmed Shadow OR Darkness ).

    ===

    Now leaving mechanically confirmed territory into the 99% chance based on their play territory:
    Of the 3 remaining scum, Wrath is Templar

    And then it is very likely that:
    ZZorange is Darkness
    blinkskater is Slime -> Sticky -> Paladin -> Glorious Master

    The gameplan is therefore:
    • Lynch blinkskater first
    • Lynch ZZorange second
    • Kill Wrath at night if possible - or ignore him if not possible.



    ===

    IMPORTANT WARNING FOR TOWN:
    SCUM WILL HAVE 4 VOTE POWER, IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT YOU NEED 5 VOTES TO HAMMER TODAY.

    THEREFORE DO NOT PLACE RANDOM VOTES - SCUM CAN DO AN EXTENDED QUICK HAMMER FOR A WIN.

    PLACE YOUR VOTE ON BLINKSKATER, OR NO ONE


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    Contingency scenarios that I can see town getting confused about:

    Why did 3 townies die?
    Terrible Prophet Kill + Magus Kill + De-Level.

    Why did Wrath not die if ceko fireballed him?
    Scum must have leveled him to level 2 at some point granting him night immunity. Oberon should have leveled up off of it, but Stealthy Assassin kill does not pierce night immunity - save that kill for killing ZZorange instead.
    OR
    Scum roleblocked ceko, no level up for Oberon, but nothing changes. Ceko is still Magus, Wrath still Scum (99% Templar), and Oberon still Rogue.

    Blinkskater just revealed as Glorious Master, doesn't that make him town?
    No, for probably the tenth time, no. If he reveals as Glorious Master it's because he was Sticky Impersonator.

    But I think {INSERT-MECHANICALLY-CONFIRMED-VILLAGER} is Scum based off of a tonal read and {INSERT-SOME-OTHER-SHITTY-REASONING-THAT-NEVER-TRUMPS-MECHANICALLY-CONFIRMED-INFORMATION}!
    You're wrong. The scum list is mechanically confirmed. The only way these people are not scum is if a TOWNIE has been LYING ALL GAME. But not just lying all game, lying in such a way that is directly beneficial to scum and harmful to town. Which is actually just game-throwing. If you play where you assume that people are always game-throwing, then you're going to lose a lot, because people rarely actually game throw.

    Do not waste time talking about the mechanically confirmed villagers, scum will try their hardest in order to cause chaos and accuse these people as that's their only path to victory. Don't take the bait, ignore them.

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    Also on the topic of blinkskater. Can we take a minute to just appreciate how rude his strategy was? Tunneling a new-player to the game, accusing them of lying for weeks OOG? Extremely mean-spirited and his play will have made this almost certainly both my first AND last FM game I'll play.

    I've played hundreds of games of IRL mafia. In that setting you play to have fun with friends. You don't target a new player as scum and then try to make them have as little fun as possible. You especially don't mock them when they call you out on it. Winning isn't worth that much.

    ===

    TL;DR
    why are you playing FM if you can't even be bothered to read this? This post has very important information, go read it you dummy

    The gameplan is:
    • Lynch blinkskater first
    • Lynch ZZorange second
    • Kill Wrath at night if possible - or ignore him if not possible.



    AND VERY IMPORTANTLY: DO NOT MEME WITH YOUR VOTE, SCUM CAN GET AN EXTENDED QUICKHAMMR WIN OFF OF A SINGLE MISPLACED TOWN VOTE. VOTE BLINKSKATER, OR NO ONE.

    Scum's entire game plan for today is going to be to cause enough chaos and confusion to trick a single towny (or two if Wrath died) into misplacing their vote, that way they can get an extended quick hammer win.




    blinkskater has died

    Their role was :
    Spoiler : blinkskater's role :
    ???


    Their last will was :
    Spoiler : blinkskater's LW :
    ???




    Players alive Graveyard
    @Marshmallow Marshall
    @Numbertwo
    @Varcron
    @theoneceko
    @ZZorange
    @CRichardForumLies
    @Oberon
    @WrathCyber

    OzyWho (
    Villager)
    Frinckles (Watchful Ranger)
    Yuesford (
    Terrible Prophet)
    PQRnHack (Villager)
    LagAttack (Villager)
    blinkskater (???)





    DAY 4 HAS STARTED AND WILL END IN


    • 00

    • 00

    • 00

    • 00

    DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS




    8 PLAYERS REMAINING, 5 votes to hammer.


    Last edited by Auwt; May 31st, 2021 at 06:49 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    By the way, your FPS wasn't that bad.
    I mean it could help to smoke out the bad guys.
    So all good.
    you referring to my fake claim on mm?

    btw I got levelled up on n2 because yuesford visited me n2.
    but I couldn't reveal that. I was like 95% sure that if I revealed I got levelled up, I would get lynched or fireballed, cuz Stealthy Assassin (aka not night immune) is extremely convenient; it basically forces Magus to target someone other than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    you referring to my fake claim on mm?

    btw I got levelled up on n2 because yuesford visited me n2.
    but I couldn't reveal that. I was like 95% sure that if I revealed I got levelled up, I would get lynched or fireballed, cuz Stealthy Assassin (aka not night immune) is extremely convenient; it basically forces Magus to target someone other than me.
    Yeah that one.
    If you didn't see Yues's flip, their lvl 1 role confirms that Blink was their shadow partner and whoever killed Blink is confirmed village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    would the rules allow a shadow member to suicide and then be cleaned by a slime(Janitor) If it was benifitial for their team?
    No, suicides are not allowed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    "Fanatic (Protection) (LVL 1)
    Target a member of the Shadows at night.
    You will give them a protection that will only last for this night.
    You can target yourself.
    Upon preventing a Shadow from dying, you then become a Terrible Prophet."

    This was Yuesford's role before they lvled up.
    Which means we know that by Frinckle's logs that Blink was also a shadow.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    I just realised something, actually. If blink was darkness Ceko would've been told he was RB'd.
    So this means: ceko is not Magus, or blink was sticky impersonator. Sticky impersonator sounds extremely likely given the way he was playing.

    But, I'm still confused about something. Why am I not dead, or why isn't Cyber dead?

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    I'm trying to figure out what happened last night:

    I think blinkskater was going to bus Yuesford and hope whoever I visited died tonight (to Yuesford's delayed kill). Then he was gonna get levelled up, gain an extra vote, and with 2 townies dead (possibly 3), that was going to make this day into:

    4v3v1

    if templar sides with them, it's gg.

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    Re: S-FM 327 : Last Hope

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    Yuesford (7 [L-0]): Oberon, LagAttack, theoneceko, Numbertwo, PQRnHack, Varcron, Marshmallow Marshall
    LagAttack (4 [L-3]): WrathCyber, blinkskater, Yuesford, ZZorange

    Vote Counter after flips are shown.
    that's an asswards play as Mafia from blink and Yuesford tbh. why didn't they vote Yuesford? I would've bussed the fuck out of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    that's an asswards play as Mafia from blink and Yuesford tbh. why didn't they vote Yuesford? I would've bussed the fuck out of him.
    I think they tried to gamble by trying to kill Lag and the train composition indicates they were trying to mis eliminate Lag rather than bus Yues.

 

 

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