S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[Frinckles]

i claimed red check on MM. literally implying i had become L2, and then DIDN’T allow him to be hammered. how do you explain that?

why would I defend ozy so hard and threaten to shoot ppl yesterday?

Threatening to shoot people = Softing a PR.

That should be self explanatory.

As far as Ozy and even MM go, town cred is real and so is the capacity for you to lie about you level. Imagine being leveled up by the Magus and hitting Templar2. Well, now you can claim that you were leveled and de-leveled for that lvl3.

But that's really just speculation, the point is your current claim is an ambiguous level 1 PR, just waiting to be leveled.

[Frinckles]

yeah you said this before and i didn’t understand, what interactions?

Really all of them. Just general interactions.

your theory also doesnt check out, Wrath did ask to be levelled up lol
he said the Magus should level him up and witch him

That was changed as far as I remember.

[Oberon]

Because naturally you'd be leveled up and then down as soon as you were hit by both the Magus and negating Shadow. There's no reason for a TPR to want that. Not even wrath wants that, for perspective.But as a Templar, surprise surprise, you just won the game.

so if I didn’t ask for a level up I would just get downgraded to citizen? lolwhy would a TPR want that?and for the record, I never actually asked to be levelled up, unlike Wrath.

[Oberon]

And FTR, I think Wrath is trying way too hard to soft Jester, I think he’s Mafia.

[Frinckles]

so if I didn’t ask for a level up I would just get downgraded to citizen? lolwhy would a TPR want that?and for the record, I never actually asked to be levelled up, unlike Wrath.

You don't need to explicitly ask for something to get it. The onus of doing their jobs (Magus and Darkness) is on them. You are the one making yourself a good target for either, right?

[Frinckles]

And FTR, I think Wrath is trying way too hard to soft Jester, I think he’s Mafia.

Well, the position town is in is that we know where Wrath stands, their role and night actions.

We don't know anything from you, hence your credibility is shot. Hell, we're the only two people in the thread and you won't even tell me.

[Frinckles]

SO YEAH..

I'll be here for a while. Gonna play some Civ 6.

[Oberon]

I think Yuesford is kind of cryptically stating he didn’t visit blinkskater last night? Not entirely sure what he’s saying to be honest

[Oberon]

@PQRnHack why Richard?

[Oberon]

The reason why I think Cyber is Mafia is because of his d1 pr claim when he was getting trained. I don’t see Jester doing this.

[Oberon]

That's assuming that Magus mind controlled Yues, which I don't think happened.

That would mean MM is lying about his RB claim, so X to doubt

[Oberon]

@WrathCyber who did you hide behind tonight?

[Oberon]

@blinkskater why did you pick Paladin?

[Oberon]

Bold claim. Templar is not out of the question by the way you're defending yourself. Also, it brings up the case that if you do know that blink was visited, that could also mean that you're gargoyle... (?)

so Frinckles is bussing his own teammate? lol

[Oberon]

I’m starting to get kinda worried Frinckles is town and just idk... trolled? Can’t handle pressure at all? In which case I think Wrath is a good lynch.

[Oberon]

@theoneceko @blinkskater
you take over idk

[Oberon]

My thoughts on Yuesford and Blink:

- i think that at this point the magus doesn’t think Yuesford should die, as he could’ve revealed at any point when he saw the MM train, which makes me think the Magus did 100% level blinkskater up last night.

- i think that blink’s AtE is real, so blink is town.

[Frinckles]

I’m starting to get kinda worried Frinckles is town and just idk... trolled? Can’t handle pressure at all? In which case I think Wrath is a good lynch.

Anyone who reads this message can look up and see that none of the things you rambled on about have to do with the extensive write up I made to you directly.

So I'm gonna say you probably can't handle the pressure.

[Frinckles]

Saying I'm trolling doesn't make me less right.

[Frinckles]

And frankly if you were town you wouldn't really give a damn if I thought you were neutral.

The problem is that I fuck up your plans as a neutral.

[Oberon]

Anyone who reads this message can look up and see that none of the things you rambled on about have to do with the extensive write up I made to you directly.

So I'm gonna say you probably can't handle the pressure.

if you can handle pressure why did you nearly hammer a dude you thought was town when his train was being driven by someone you thought was jester? why did it take 2-3 pages for you to answer my questions?

[Oberon]

And frankly if you were town you wouldn't really give a damn if I thought you were neutral.

The problem is that I fuck up your plans as a neutral.

in reference to me asking why im templar?
okay templar

[Frinckles]

if you can handle pressure why did you nearly hammer a dude you thought was town when his train was being driven by someone you thought was jester? why did it take 2-3 pages for you to answer my questions?

None of those things have to do with the current situation but it would have confirmed you as as Templar and confirmed Yues/Blink as scum.

Maybe you realized that and decided MM was a bad lynch. Keep in mind, you both created and removed that whole situation.

[Frinckles]

in reference to me asking why im templar?
okay templar

You are really out of ideas aren't you. Lol alright.

[Frinckles]

Calling me Templar, calling Wrath Templar and Mafia.. I don't know why people give you the time of day.

[Oberon]

None of those things have to do with the current situation but it would have confirmed you as as Templar and confirmed Yues/Blink as scum.

Maybe you realized that and decided MM was a bad lynch. Keep in mind, you both created and removed that whole situation.

if im templar why wouldnt i let MM get lynched?

[Oberon]

None of those things have to do with the current situation but it would have confirmed you as as Templar and confirmed Yues/Blink as scum.

Maybe you realized that and decided MM was a bad lynch. Keep in mind, you both created and removed that whole situation.

the alternative to you not being able to handle pressure is you being mafia so go away and stop bothering me

[Frinckles]

if im templar why wouldnt i let MM get lynched?

Do you read what you're even typing? You sound pretty convinced that MM is town but sure I'll spell it out.

Green MM would mean MM was roleblocked. Which means Yues can't be Magus. Which means Blink is fake. Which means you're Templar or scumteam.

[Frinckles]

the alternative to you not being able to handle pressure is you being mafia so go away and stop bothering me

I can't handle pressure, yet you're asking me to go away.


I've given you how many opportunities to claim Templar?

[Oberon]

Saying I'm trolling doesn't make me less right.

it does make one wonder though why you’d try to attack me for calling you town? like that would mean you’re not getting lynched anymore, isn’t that correct?

[Oberon]

And frankly if you were town you wouldn't really give a damn if I thought you were neutral.

The problem is that I fuck up your plans as a neutral.

calling someone a jester is a way of discrediting them tf you on about ofc you care...

[Numbertwo]

im back. i have only quickly skimmed through the posts made since my last activity.

So basically Oberon fake claimed a result on MM and then claims his real result is that he visited Pornhack?

For some reason it is Frinckles vs Blink vs Yuesford?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Marshmallow Marshall
I should have said Frinckles vs blinkskater + Yuesford.

Since Frinckles claimed that Yuesford visited blinkskater.

Then assuming Frinckles is telling the truth AND assuming blink is town

What role could Yues be?
Choices are:

• Villager - can't visit and Frinckles wouldn't have been able to visit him if he was forced to visit by a Horror
• Templar - can't visit and Frinckles wouldn't have been able to visit him if he was forced to visit by a Horror
• Magus
• Town Power Role - technically possible, but very unlikely because him STILL insisting he is a villager is very game-throwy, he would have CC'd as one of the starting TPR's when 3 other people claimed
• Darkness - we're assuming blink is town, so blink would have reported being leveled up and then down, but he didn't just said leveled up
• Gargoyle - can't move
• Shaman - visits two people, and confirmed by Auwt that Archer would see two visits
• Fanatic - we're assuming that blink is town, Fanatic can only visit shadows
• Horror - we're assuming blink is town, so if he were town he would have reported
• Slime

So that means under our assumptions, Yues is either Slime or Magus. Scum would obviously know that Yues is not slime, therefore they would know Yues is magus, so he would have no reason to stay silent on him being Magus, but Yues continues to insist that he is Villager.

Which means the only way blink is town in this scenario is if Yues is a slime that just randomly decided to visit someone who darkness wasn't de-leveling. Why would a Janitor just randomly visit and risk getting caught by an archer (like he did). Doesn't make any sense, so that means blink AND Yues are both scum.

If blink AND Yues are scum, then that means it's best to try to eliminate the Shadow rather than Darkness and blink is more likely to be shadow in this scenario - therefore the vote on blink.

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BUT since I posted that, the train has shifted to Yues first anyway, for reasons I posted earlier.

This vote should be extra clear for you, since you claimed RB and the only one that could do that is Magus, but Yues didn't visit you, therefore you know Yues can't be Magus if Frinckles is telling the truth.

So the targets in the thunderdome are either Yues or Frinckles.

Oh, well then we are in agreement about the status of things. It's not impossible for Blink to be town if Yues is scum, but it's highly unlikely, and he's scummy even just behavior-wise. The opposition between Frinckles and Blink isn't direct, nor is it absolute, so I was a bit confused, but that's 100 % right and covers everything I can see.

Also, not only is there the roleblock on me, but there's also the anti-magus gun prevention play we should do in the (very unlikely) event Yues would actually be magus, so there is zero reason not to vote him.

Aight, get me out of here. If I can't lie, I don't want to partake in this game any longer.
I'll stick to the arcade. I thought this had a higher level of competition.. Turns out it wasn't.

-vote Yuesford

Being a sore loser is rude... Come on, you got caught by a gambit that paid off lol.

[Oberon]

im back. i have only quickly skimmed through the posts made since my last activity.

So basically Oberon fake claimed a result on MM and then claims his real result is that he visited Pornhack?

For some reason it is Frinckles vs Blink vs Yuesford?

yeah, basically.

[Auwt]

@Auwt
When you wake up WHere are levels-up/down in the order of operations? Is that "Utility"? Asking because kill vs level-up/down makes a difference there (and does level-down of LVL0 by Darkness fall into Kill or into Utility category?).

Auwt can confirm when he wakes up, but I asked in private message and Auwt said that someone that is both leveled up and leveled down the same night will receive both notifications and will be alive, even if they were level 0 to begin with

> Confirmed.

Thank you, Lag. I still want to know when leveling occurs with respect to kills. E.g., if Wizard getting rekt by Prophet, does that "following night" Prophet kill block the Wizard's actions the night that the Wizard dies?
Also @Auwt what does Wicked Necro get off of a dead Magus?

If a Terrible Prophet would target a Wizard, then the following night, the Wizard's action won't go through (since Utility is post Kill).

A Wicked Necromancer would be able to use any elements from the Magus (with a one-night cooldown on its corpse + the limitation of using the same element only once).

[Oberon]

Oh, well then we are in agreement about the status of things. It's not impossible for Blink to be town if Yues is scum, but it's highly unlikely, and he's scummy even just behavior-wise. The opposition between Frinckles and Blink isn't direct, nor is it absolute, so I was a bit confused, but that's 100 % right and covers everything I can see.

Also, not only is there the roleblock on me, but there's also the anti-magus gun prevention play we should do in the (very unlikely) event Yues would actually be magus, so there is zero reason not to vote him.



Being a sore loser is rude... Come on, you got caught by a gambit that paid off lol.

what about the world in which yuesford didn't even visit last night, or the world in which yuesford is doc?

[Oberon]

@MM if Magus didn't visit blinkskater then why didn't Magus reveal to counter your train?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Aight, get me out of here. If I can't lie, I don't want to partake in this game any longer.
I'll stick to the arcade. I thought this had a higher level of competition.. Turns out it wasn't.

-vote Yuesford

it does make one wonder though why you’d try to attack me for calling you town? like that would mean you’re not getting lynched anymore, isn’t that correct?

calling someone a jester is a way of discrediting them tf you on about ofc you care...

mag... if you FPSed like a madman and actually are town, listen to me. It is virtually impossible for Yues to be innocent here given the claims, and it's terribly unlikely Frinckles lied. You acted like a jester, and the ONLY ways your play makes sense is if you're a jester or if you're a townie playing... questionably (I strongly doubt that gambit was pro-town, but I don't doubt very strongly you actually did it as town because you are an ill man with fancy play syndrome).

im back. i have only quickly skimmed through the posts made since my last activity.

So basically Oberon fake claimed a result on MM and then claims his real result is that he visited Pornhack?

For some reason it is Frinckles vs Blink vs Yuesford?

Frinckles vs Yuesford, and Blink by extension. Those last two are almost necessarily linked, as explained very well by LagAttack in the post I quoted recently.

[Auwt]

@Auwt if Water Magus targets a townie, does the townie receive the "drowned" feedback?

Yes.

[Oberon]

mag... if you FPSed like a madman and actually are town, listen to me. It is virtually impossible for Yues to be innocent here given the claims, and it's terribly unlikely Frinckles lied. You acted like a jester, and the ONLY ways your play makes sense is if you're a jester or if you're a townie playing... questionably (I strongly doubt that gambit was pro-town, but I don't doubt very strongly you actually did it as town because you are an ill man with fancy play syndrome).


Frinckles vs Yuesford, and Blink by extension. Those last two are almost necessarily linked, as explained very well by LagAttack in the post I quoted recently.

read the goto I had with frinckles, and tell me it doesn't look bad. -1.
why can't yuesford be a doc visiting?

[Oberon]

mag... if you FPSed like a madman and actually are town, listen to me. It is virtually impossible for Yues to be innocent here given the claims, and it's terribly unlikely Frinckles lied. You acted like a jester, and the ONLY ways your play makes sense is if you're a jester or if you're a townie playing... questionably (I strongly doubt that gambit was pro-town, but I don't doubt very strongly you actually did it as town because you are an ill man with fancy play syndrome).


Frinckles vs Yuesford, and Blink by extension. Those last two are almost necessarily linked, as explained very well by LagAttack in the post I quoted recently.

why would i not allow you to be lynched if im jester?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

what about the world in which yuesford didn't even visit last night, or the world in which yuesford is doc?

this

Hi guys. As your fellow villager, I can assure you I level-upped blinkskater. This frinkle guy is trolling and evils rode with him.

-vote Frinkles

No matter how many times he came back on it, he said it lol, and then he realized how wrong it went.

Also, doc on Blink would be very, very strange. He's far from towny lol.

[Auwt]

@Auwt, if the slime and the Shadow visit a villager who has just levelled up, does the Villager still receive feedback of having being levelled up? And they would not know they were being levelled down right?

When a Slime would erase feedback, it's only for the ones who visited the Slime's target, but not the target itself.
The lost feedback would only be the one they were supposed to get by visiting the Slime's target.
Any external feedback such as a RB stated in your example would still go through.

No feedback would be given to a player visiting a Slime's target in order to get back a feedback.

[Oberon]

I feel like yuesford is implying MM is legit... lol

@MM yuesford said we shouldnt vote you. why would he do this as mafia?

[Oberon]

Also why are we listening to Templar again?

start here. I pushed frinckles to answer why I was templar and why he jumped to the conclusion yues + blink had to be mafia, and it took hundreds of posts to get anything out of him.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@MM if Magus didn't visit blinkskater then why didn't Magus reveal to counter your train?

Because my life is less important than his lmao. Especially since he can just get gunned down as an additional kill that doesn't even consume anything the scum want to keep. It'd be stupid to claim. You'd be dead the next day (or in the night) anyway. Magus doesn't need to reveal, the right play is literally drawn here

why would i not allow you to be lynched if im jester?

I was talking from the pre-reveal of the fact you were lying perspective. You're quite obviously not jester here.

[Oberon]

Because my life is less important than his lmao. Especially since he can just get gunned down as an additional kill that doesn't even consume anything the scum want to keep. It'd be stupid to claim. You'd be dead the next day (or in the night) anyway. Magus doesn't need to reveal, the right play is literally drawn here


I was talking from the pre-reveal of the fact you were lying perspective. You're quite obviously not jester here.

no, its not right, because it could be that frinckles visited two townies. based on blink's ate I do believe this is the case.

that's why I want the magus to reveal if blink and yuesford are lying. what you're saying leads to a town disaster if both of them are town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@MM yuesford said we shouldnt vote you. why would he do this as mafia?

I do not know, and I do not care. Yues said he level-upped Blink. Blink said he was level-upped. This confirms Frinckles (unless he's scum with them, which is wayyyy too unlikely to be considered). I was roleblocked last night. This means magus roleblocked me, because no other role can do that right now. Unless the Magus leveled an Horror up last night, I guess, but that's really super unlikely, and it's much more likely a townie RBed me because of my poor read on ozy than it is that a scum roleblocked me for ???.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

no, its not right, because it could be that frinckles visited two townies. based on blink's ate I do believe this is the case.

that's why I want the magus to reveal if blink and yuesford are lying. what you're saying leads to a town disaster if both of them are town.

BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE YUES IS TOWN UNLESS HE THREW BY POSTING THAT HE UPPED BLINK
I M P O S S I B L E

ASKING MAGUS TO REVEAL = ASKING MAGUS TO SUICIDE FOR SOMETHING OBVIOUS = HORRIBLE PLAY

[Oberon]

I do not know, and I do not care. Yues said he level-upped Blink. Blink said he was level-upped. This confirms Frinckles (unless he's scum with them, which is wayyyy too unlikely to be considered). I was roleblocked last night. This means magus roleblocked me, because no other role can do that right now. Unless the Magus leveled an Horror up last night, I guess, but that's really super unlikely, and it's much more likely a townie RBed me because of my poor read on ozy than it is that a scum roleblocked me for ???.

why does yuesford have to be either the magus or darkness? can't he be villager?