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  1. ISO #401

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Spoiler : gikkle commentary :




    This is fun if Frinckles flips scum.



    Minor town points for mind melding, but easy for scum gikkle to point out



    This could be weird. Why is Lag the one that is capable of finding out congresspeople coms? Why call him out? Why the awkward lol at the end? Seems hesitant tone to me.



    I might be giving too many free town points for people that remember other games, but unless Gikkle is scum team with Paopan, I don’t see scum Gikkle defending Paopan like this with meta reads. Town points



    Talking about why Oliverz should have waited, and talking about how lag and Oliver could have staged their interaction seems/(seemed?) towny to me. Maybe Gikkle is being too tin foil though, because I believed Oliverz, but also. Maybe there’s more context here?

    I also liked how gikkle called out my tone, which was one of the reasons why I TRed him. Maybe I have some thing where I TR people who SR me. Reverse OMGUS? It is parroting Guillo a bit so…



    Mind meld on wrinkles, and I like the tone.



    This seems less opportunistic and more genuine. It’s a continuation on the earlier post.



    This is very consistent to scum read me. Town points



    Remembering that he was ignored seems like a town thing. Tone is soft here though



    The attention to nuance here makes me think town again.



    No comment on this post, but it seems important. Ugh. This is lame. I’d say this is a scum lean post, because I think MM is for sure a town. I don’t think MM is big brain enough to pocket me for my play style this game.

    If Gikkle is town, Oliverz is scum, bc I trust the read.



    Scum lean post for continuing to scum read MM. The apology at the end reminds me of the “lol” giklle put in at the end of a post. Awkward. I’m a “BIT” tired. Not tired. And also the apology seems like Gikkle is self conscious about what he’s doing. Maybe Gikkle is that type of person. Going to need someone else to chime in on Gikkle, because I sure as fuck aren’t going to read other game to get a read on them.



    The vote though, is towny. No one scum reads MM (I think) except for Gikkle. Could be scum just setting up for another day though.


    I've downgraded my read on Gikkle from a strong town read to just barely town. There's not enough conviction in the posts. Before the reread, I was going to say that Gikkle is a more cool headed version of Guillo, but the play styles here are pretty different. If someone told me there's one scum between Gikkle and Guillo, I'd pick Gikkle.

    God, I never do ISOs but they're sometimes extremely helpful. Probably because it's so fucking difficult to get to the correct page. Thanks to a based host for including that in OP!!!!
    Why'd you choose me specifically to do an ISO on?

    (also not gonna respond to this whole thing, just felt like saying that mind melds that are just "I agree with your conclusion" are not really good... Mind melds are more pure and better if it's like you're matching someone's complete thought process every step of the way, all the way to the conclusion. I didn't really explain my read on Frinckles very much so it's impossible you had this kind of mindmeld with me. Shooting myself in the foot here, but it's a trap I've seen quite a few people get caught in and while I may be town, if you hand out "mindmelds" to anyone you might agree with it would be troublesome if you are town and misclearing people for it. If you're NOT town, then carry on I guess...)

  2. ISO #402

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Didnt you just quote my entire readlist a few posts ago and now you are pretending to not remember my reads? Cone on!

    Top 3 town and top 3 scum. Now! Go go go!
    Mine? ok.
    SCUM
    you(guillotine)
    Frinckles, out of meta
    voss- didnt like his commentary on gikkle tonally

    NULL
    Gikkle, coz hes not solvy enough as usual
    Lag- maybe i dont know her that good lol ._.
    paopan- fluffs as last game.
    SB16
    rené


    TOWN
    me- hehe
    Lolde- hes lost/afk as usual
    MM-pocketed me

    and thats it i think
    im going afk now, cu d2, or in grave
    Praise the Lord!

  3. ISO #403

  4. ISO #404

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Why'd you choose me specifically to do an ISO on?

    (also not gonna respond to this whole thing, just felt like saying that mind melds that are just "I agree with your conclusion" are not really good... Mind melds are more pure and better if it's like you're matching someone's complete thought process every step of the way, all the way to the conclusion. I didn't really explain my read on Frinckles very much so it's impossible you had this kind of mindmeld with me. Shooting myself in the foot here, but it's a trap I've seen quite a few people get caught in and while I may be town, if you hand out "mindmelds" to anyone you might agree with it would be troublesome if you are town and misclearing people for it. If you're NOT town, then carry on I guess...)
    Well, actually I do wanna ask one more question

    How is MM so townie that it's scummy for me to call him out and vote him? Like it'd make sense if he was consensus and obvious town and it looked like I was trying to take hits at a town core for no good reason... But I definitely don't think he's anywhere near that, nor do I think my reasoning is bad, so what's up with that?

  5. ISO #405

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Mine? ok.
    SCUM
    you(guillotine)
    Frinckles, out of meta
    voss- didnt like his commentary on gikkle tonally

    NULL
    Gikkle, coz hes not solvy enough as usual
    Lag- maybe i dont know her that good lol ._.
    paopan- fluffs as last game.
    SB16
    rené


    TOWN
    me- hehe
    Lolde- hes lost/afk as usual
    MM-pocketed me

    and thats it i think
    im going afk now, cu d2, or in grave
    Now i'm even more convinced voting MM is the right thing to do, as you said yourself : he pocketed you. This post and especially that comment on me gives me huge "frustrated town" vibes, so i feel much better about you.

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  10. ISO #410

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Do corrupt really have a day chat ? I thought they only had a night chat, since the setup says :
    2-3 Players will be "Corrupt". To be host-picked; uncertainity is part of the game.
    Corrupt players will share a night chat and have a factional night kill.
    A Corrupt Player must forgo their night action in order to carry out the factional kill.

  11. ISO #411

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Mine? ok.
    SCUM
    you(guillotine)
    Frinckles, out of meta
    voss- didnt like his commentary on gikkle tonally

    NULL
    Gikkle, coz hes not solvy enough as usual
    Lag- maybe i dont know her that good lol ._.
    paopan- fluffs as last game.
    SB16
    rené


    TOWN
    me- hehe
    Lolde- hes lost/afk as usual
    MM-pocketed me

    and thats it i think
    im going afk now, cu d2, or in grave
    Why am I scum?

    Why do you scum read Voss for their read on Gikkle when you yourself have Gikkle in your neutral list, not in your town list? Hmmm? HMMMMMMM?
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

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  15. ISO #415

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    This might be stupid, but i think there's enough time and much to gain from trying this :

    -vote oliverz144


    talk to us
    I actually quite like this... huh.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  16. ISO #416

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Why is there so much traction on MM? This is the exact same way he played during Bisected Souls where he was town. I don't see why/where he's scummy.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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  18. ISO #418

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Mine? ok.
    SCUM
    you(guillotine)
    Frinckles, out of meta
    voss- didnt like his commentary on gikkle tonally

    NULL
    Gikkle, coz hes not solvy enough as usual
    Lag- maybe i dont know her that good lol ._.
    paopan- fluffs as last game.
    SB16
    rené


    TOWN
    me- hehe
    Lolde- hes lost/afk as usual
    MM-pocketed me

    and thats it i think
    im going afk now, cu d2, or in grave
    i'd vote oliverz, not because they put me in his scum list, but because they didn't like that i looked at gikkle's tone. it also doesn't jibe with putting gikkle in a null read.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  19. ISO #419

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Why am I scum?

    Why do you scum read Voss for their read on Gikkle when you yourself have Gikkle in your neutral list, not in your town list? Hmmm? HMMMMMMM?
    lmao my thoughts exactly.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  22. ISO #422

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    If my vote is weird at the end, I might be forced into seeing MM die and someone else, and I'd 100% rather it not be MM.
    It’s about damn time I find someone to town lock, holy shit.

    I’m now in position to get to day 2, which I guess means I need to put a vote down.
    -vote oliverz144
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  23. ISO #423

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Why is there so much traction on MM? This is the exact same way he played during Bisected Souls where he was town. I don't see why/where he's scummy.
    I wouldn't say it's the EXACT same way... He played similar in game 334, iirc, too (and he was scum in that game). The crux of the argument is his very strange stuff regarding Oliverz, which is kind of summarized in #234.

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  25. ISO #425

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Do corrupt really have a day chat ? I thought they only had a night chat, since the setup says :
    this feels town slippy to me, while Guillo's is not. Although I'm not saying Guillo is scum because they didn't know about scum night chat.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  26. ISO #426

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    If my vote is weird at the end, I might be forced into seeing MM die and someone else, and I'd 100% rather it not be MM.
    Where's the post where you started TRing MM? You seem very confident in your read on him, to the point where you call me scummy for scum reading him. What's up with that?

  27. ISO #427

  28. ISO #428

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    No, they can only talk during the night. In the signups thread Martin wrote:
    "Discord will be used for the corrupt's night-only chat."
    Oh shit, so scum is not coordinating now?

    Brothers! If we dont win this game we suck!
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

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  30. ISO #430

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    It's not. There is no way the most versatile player here doesnt know that it's night chat only.
    Yeah, which is why I didn't automatically give him the clear. He's experienced enough I figure he'd know to A) look, and B) try and make a town slip play like that.

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  33. ISO #433

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Yeah, which is why I didn't automatically give him the clear. He's experienced enough I figure he'd know to A) look, and B) try and make a town slip play like that.
    But I'm not going to dismiss the possibility it was a genuine slip either, which so many people are so keen to do. Lag did it to Martin last game, despite the fact Martin did in fact fake slip. In 334, I genuinely town slipped, and everyone ignored it.

  34. ISO #434

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    But I'm not going to dismiss the possibility it was a genuine slip either, which so many people are so keen to do. Lag did it to Martin last game, despite the fact Martin did in fact fake slip. In 334, I genuinely town slipped, and everyone ignored it.
    did in fact town slip*
    not fake slip, martin didn't fake slip lol

  35. ISO #435

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Yeah, which is why I didn't automatically give him the clear. He's experienced enough I figure he'd know to A) look, and B) try and make a town slip play like that.
    Exactly, the intent of your question was painfully obvious. And his reply just ignores it altogether (and yes, he would have gone and looked at the setup, if didnt know already). That response looks more scummy than townie to me.

  36. ISO #436

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    What i didnt like about MM is him explaining oliverz' rationale in his name, which i felt was quite weird.
    Also, pretty sure oliverz didnt like the tone with which voss scum read gikkle. Not quite sure why that's inconsistent with gikkle being "neutral"... He might still be town, even from his POV
    i actually didnt even realize asking that question implied i was town... Guess i should've pmed the host

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  39. ISO #439

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    All of these so called "town slips" regarding any scum chat are fake.
    That's... Not true. More often than not, they are real, in my experience. In this case, I could see Guillo pulling a fake slip play, because he is very experienced. Though, I wouldn't straight up dismiss it, either. It's something to consider and analyze.

  40. ISO #440

  41. ISO #441

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    That's... Not true. More often than not, they are real, in my experience. In this case, I could see Guillo pulling a fake slip play, because he is very experienced. Though, I wouldn't straight up dismiss it, either. It's something to consider and analyze.
    I'm not going to entertain people either 1. not reading the setup or 2. scum pretending to not know how scum works.

    These so called "town slips" around the chat fit into either 1 or 2. Both lynch worthy to me!

  42. ISO #442

  43. ISO #443

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Yeah, which is why I didn't automatically give him the clear. He's experienced enough I figure he'd know to A) look, and B) try and make a town slip play like that.
    Ok this is fair this is fair.

    You have to consider though that:

    1) im playing like i play conventional forum mafia at a place where the game is played slightly differently.
    2) I only read my pm.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

  44. ISO #444

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Spoiler : mm commentary :
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I almost want to say that you're towny by meta for this, considering your last game as Mayor in Once Upon a Town in the West. But seriously, please drop it. I was scum, and I can say you were a blessing for us because you distracted everyone. Please integrate thoughtful content in your posts. Else, you will be deemed lazy and antipatriotic, and will thus be sent to the nearest gulag. Thank you.
    This is either coaching, or telling someone to stop with fluff and I love it. Me as scum, I like fluff posts because it allows me to skate by, or even encourage it. I like to try and cause as much chaos as possible, and this is the opposite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    "It's RVS"



    No, we just kinda skipped RVS thanks to Oliver :P. It's a D1 read, but it is based on something reasonable. So stating how I position myself towards Oliver's read is perfectly legitimate.

    Hi guillo. That's a nice statement you have here. Why is Lag scum in your opinion?
    Game solve-y

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    PQ is acting like a populist scum...

    Do you have any serious reads yet? We skipped the shitposting phase already, which is good for town, so it'd be nice if you and Paopan didn't drag us back into it lol. Cultural revolution sucks =P
    Good town leader-y vibe

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Voss would act like he's acting as any alignment imo. The AI stuff will come when he starts making reads and placing his votes. I would be very careful about giving him free townpoints for writing long posts that do not actually get us anywhere yet.

    Arriving late is not a scumtell, go away lol, Frinckles is null for now

    "Oh no you agree with something I disagree with, scum!" POPULIST SCUM! Down with the populist, comrades!
    -vote PQRnHack

    It's not like the Lag/Oliver discussion needs my vote to exist, and this is spicy
    Mm has every opportunity to paint me as scum for my stance and refuses to do it. I know how I sometimes come off as. Neutral tone until [redacted], so I like that he’s defending me. It doesn’t make sense to go against the starting tide of “voss is scum” if mm is scum, especially with all these “new” players who don’t know me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I am not saying you usually are a boring machine-like person/player xD. Your tone did strike me as different when I first read your posts, though (even before I read oliver's), and you're not the epitome of townness as of right now, whereas you usually are pretty much that. I can't say I have a solid read on you, but I certainly have my eye on you. And to be honest, the only thing you can do to change my mind is to be towny, not to debate whether or not your tone feels different - plus, that's unproductive. I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons:

    - I agreed with him that there could be something fishy about you, so why not say it
    - We mindmelded in our interpretation of your very early style, which is a point in favor of town!Oliver and gives more credibility to what honestly was just a hunch
    - It was an extremely spicy stance to start the game with: a read with that kind of strenght and confidence on the very first page is relatively rare. Also, I don't get to attack you every D1 start, so I might as well take my chance when it comes xD.
    The enthusiasm for being able to attack Lag is almost innocent and child like, and doesn’t feel scum motivated to me. More game solve-y

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Oh, I am an unconditional RVS lover. But when you can get straight to the part where people express reasonings and interact with eachother, it's probably even better.

    and yes, let the debate beginnnn /s


    Why in the world would we discuss the medic claim. It's WIFOM. Leave it be. I like that Stealth said pretty much that at some point in reaction to this post, too.

    PQ is painting Frinckles as scummy for "arriving late". Speaking of that, it's inconsistent with his "fine for now" for Loldebite, strictly speaking, so the word painting seems appropriate enough. He's giving a free pass to Voss because "he has quality posts and good thoughts", which means... not much; plus, Voss hasn't said anything that stands out as towny, that's just his style. I suspect he's going with the "easy read on a complicated slot to push" strategy on Voss. And then, I'm scum for "agreeing with you on more than one point"... which is a little ridiculous. Guillo also brought up a good point about PQ townreading Voss, who also is into agreeing with what other people say, but scumreading me for the same reason.
    I would say that's pretty rich for the first half of D1.

    The last lines are signature-worthy xD.
    I believe the first one to say “don’t talk about the medic claim”

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    This post and the streak that follows screams townie's stream of consciousness. Unless Oliver is some kind of scum enthusiast who REALLY enjoys being scum and gets into it completely, he's just town here.
    I don’t know how Oliver usually posts, but if it’s like the quoted post in question, then I don’t agree with mm here.


    for gikkle.

    in summary, refuses to take easy shots on me. talks to a lot of people. and demonstrates many town solvey aspects and is not opportunistic. probably my top town.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Spoiler : mm commentary :


    This is either coaching, or telling someone to stop with fluff and I love it. Me as scum, I like fluff posts because it allows me to skate by, or even encourage it. I like to try and cause as much chaos as possible, and this is the opposite.



    Game solve-y



    Good town leader-y vibe



    Mm has every opportunity to paint me as scum for my stance and refuses to do it. I know how I sometimes come off as. Neutral tone until [redacted], so I like that he’s defending me. It doesn’t make sense to go against the starting tide of “voss is scum” if mm is scum, especially with all these “new” players who don’t know me.



    The enthusiasm for being able to attack Lag is almost innocent and child like, and doesn’t feel scum motivated to me. More game solve-y



    I believe the first one to say “don’t talk about the medic claim”



    I don’t know how Oliver usually posts, but if it’s like the quoted post in question, then I don’t agree with mm here.


    for gikkle.

    in summary, refuses to take easy shots on me. talks to a lot of people. and demonstrates many town solvey aspects and is not opportunistic. probably my top town.
    There's... SOME good posts in there. But I mean... How is this your top town? I don't see anything that MM wouldn't be able to say as scum. Not being opportunistic/not taking shots on you could simply be because he wants to pocket you, or simply because he wants to look good. A lot of people talk to a lot of people. And "demonstrates many town solvey aspects"? Some of his thoughts are decent, but nothing I would really say only town could do.

  49. ISO #449

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    There's... SOME good posts in there. But I mean... How is this your top town? I don't see anything that MM wouldn't be able to say as scum. Not being opportunistic/not taking shots on you could simply be because he wants to pocket you, or simply because he wants to look good. A lot of people talk to a lot of people. And "demonstrates many town solvey aspects"? Some of his thoughts are decent, but nothing I would really say only town could do.
    How is this your top town for these reasons*
    There may be reasons to TR him I'm not seeing, but your reasons provided here for having him be top town I don't think are sufficient.

    Almost tempted to go down another layer of TMI, where I thought MM had TMI on Oliverz, but now Voss might have TMI on MM...

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