S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

[MartinGG99]

I think Hollowkatt and SB16 are could have been bussing Paopan with the intention that they felt he would likely not survive ITA shenanigans. If the goal was to be on the correct side of a dead mafia!paopan, placing their votes on him with under an hour before ITAs were unlocked would be a good way to do it. In a way, I guess the result could be the same since PQR ended the day early- they look like they're on the correct side of the lynch. Paopan has encouraged teammates to bus him on multiple occasions and SB16/HK are pretty good at bussing. Even if neither of these suspicions are true, I can't really give credit to anyone who was on that wagon except for PQR but I still feel like that's the best place to lynch.

If you're talking about my kill, I submitted my kill action that will occur at the end of the day when a ICBM will land on somebody's head. The player will be taken-aback by the sheer concussive force of the large object hitting them and they'll be stammer around confused. As the bomb slowly rolls to the other end of the room, the player will reflect briefly about their favorite ride in Disney World. After a few seconds the nuclear bomb will detonate. I have the nuclear codes to de-activate it.

I think perhaps SB16 is a bit unlikely since his only vote was practically on Paopan for the most part. I also think it was quite a few hours before ITA's hit when his vote was placed. Additionally, he said Paopan was elected MVP for a non-deck-mafia-game on another site (and he's not wrong about that) and it makes me think: If SB were Pao's partner, he would be pushing Pao in-chat to not be bussed on d1 or something like that in wolf chat.

Whereas HK's vote was placed only ~2 hours earlier, and I had the impression it was potentially bussing-material. Seanzie also had some sort of negative impression related to HK's vote, and he later changed it to a more positive one. I was trying to get him to elaborate so I can discuss it with him but then the hammer happened.

Also do you make anything of the fact that Paopan had a wagon of 3 within 5 hours, and then it disappeared within the next 16 hours after? The second quote, while it doesn't say it, is when I noticed it was gone and I was the only one on it.

Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-98]):
NotPaopan
PQRnHack (2 [L-97]):
Seanzie, DoctorZeus
Marshmallow Marshalt (1 [L-98]):
Mesk514
NotPaopan (2 [L-97]):
Gikkle, deathworlds
Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-98]):
Marshmallow Marshalt
Gikkle (1 [L-98]):
Takumi Fujiwara

meh why not

-vote NotPaopan

deathworlds made me laugh so I'll go with this slot

-vote stealthbomber16

will be out for the next 10-12 hours or so

[hollowkatt]

Tell me what you decided to hold off on this information for so long.

nobody really asked?
There was a lot of discussion around the bus drive and how that played out and I thought we should finish that conversation before starting another one.

[MartinGG99]

man something freaky is going on with the ISO links

or at least the search engine thingy that does the ISO's

if I do them once it works fine but if I close and then do them again it starts pulling in results that are not restricted to this thread

[hollowkatt]

Why shoot MM as opposed to someone like Boba?

post flip this post looked sus af
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post956310

[hollowkatt]

I think HK and oliverz are good choices today, maybe frinckles

why? like idgaf why you're wolf reading me, but talk to me about oliverz and frinckles

[hollowkatt]

man something freaky is going on with the ISO links

or at least the search engine thingy that does the ISO's

if I do them once it works fine but if I close and then do them again it starts pulling in results that are not restricted to this thread

I stopped using them and just went to the main page of the site, then ongoing mafia games, then clicked the replies to pull up replies in thread and then clicked on the one I wanted to read. Way easier than the ISO links

[Stealthbomber16]

Okay.

So we have a few claims

MM kill: inactivity vig from hollowkatt
Boba fett kill: vig that works after wolf flip from BradLand
Seanzie/Gikkle: Likely scum kill
Martin bussed seanzie and Gikkle
PQR ended day early and gave us double lynch today.
SB16: got rid of one of their cards for extra benefit after wolf flipped?

Pre-game.

I also discarded my inactivity vig so I can confirm that is a card that is real.

[deathworlds]

Pre-game.

I also discarded my inactivity vig so I can confirm that is a card that is real.

pre-game gamba?
gotta get that bread I guess

[MartinGG99]

I was out of the thread for quite a while yesterday right? If I'm looking for credit for being on their wagon (which is what you get from busing) why don't I do that much earlier in the game day when I was here and active and could talk to people about my wolf read there instead of basically doing a random dive bomb?

Like yes, part of busing is being on the right side of the wolf flip, but the goal of busing is to get credit with enough townies to ride into the late game, which means laying ground work early for the bus, talking up the wolf read, and getting others to buy into it.

Compare my play here with my play in that game and tell me I did any of the things to Paopan that I did to Anaxagore. I'll wait

HK used this style of argument (especially the bolded) when I wrongly quasi-accused him of being 3P day serial killer last Deck Mafia game

so like im inclined to town-read it

except he was actually a wolf that game lol

so I....uninformed/innocent read it?

is that thing?

[deathworlds]

why? like idgaf why you're wolf reading me,

I suppose that makes one of us that cares about being scum read

but talk to me about oliverz and frinckles

oliverz has a case on me supposedly? I'd like to pressure the case out of them so I know what I'm working with,
Frinckles is being cryptic and I don't like it.

[deathworlds]

HK used this style of argument (especially the bolded) when I wrongly quasi-accused him of being 3P day serial killer last Deck Mafia game

so like im inclined to town-read it

except he was actually a wolf that game lol

so I....uninformed/innocent read it?

is that thing?

Wait, so they're using an argumentative style that's indicative of their scum meta, but you town read it???

[MartinGG99]

Could be. Guillo should add a bomb role to the game if it doesn't already exist.

How did we everyone intend to shoot eachother when day kills were disabled? I was just bluffing about having an actual day-use kill. Just seems like a pretty big oversight by 90% of the game. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

But of not, that oversight might have outted scum!hk and or scum!sb.

Bomb cards do exist, I used it to kill a Moon Wolf last time. It was kinda funny & ironic really, the moon wolf had vanillaized me earlier that game and if I hadn't been vanillaized I would've used the bomb already.

Only works for a single night though and I'm not sure how likely it would be used on n1 by low-posters (Boba & MM). Seanzie could have maybe had it and used it (since he generally views himself to be a stronger contender for being targeted iirc) but I don't actually know if he owns such a card.

[MartinGG99]

Wait, so they're using an argumentative style that's indicative of their scum meta, but you town read it???

No?

what I mean is that he's using an argument that he has in the past when wrongly accused

he didn't use it when has been rightfully suspected

and the fact that he's re-using it here despite the recency of that game where he was wolf (and had used such a defense directly to me) suggests to me via wifom that he's using it because its right & not because its his wolf strategy to do so

[deathworlds]

No?

what I mean is that he's using an argument that he has in the past when wrongly accused

he didn't use it when has been rightfully suspected

and the fact that he's re-using it here despite the recency of that game where he was wolf (and had used such a defense directly to me) suggests to me via wifom that he's using it because its right & not because its his wolf strategy to do so

Hm, I think I understand.

[MartinGG99]

I think this :


points toward Martin wanting to hide seanzie behind gikkle in an attempt to make him shoot himself, doesn't it ?
This seems plausible IMO.

presuming I were wolf then it sounds brilliant based on how I've played it off so far

but no

I think Seanzie would be more likely to shoot someone like SB16 or even me lol

[MartinGG99]

Also, Town!Martin would want to protect Seanzie there, I think. But Town!Martin switching him with Gikkle doesn't make much sense to me. If I were in that position to bus I'd swap Seanzie with a lowposter or something. Gikkle should have been a prime target for town night kills/investigations etc.

yeeeaaaah your points on Gikkle being a prime target for investigations and what-not occurred to me a bit too late on that one

it is what it is though

I'll have to put more thought into my bus-drives next time

[MartinGG99]

We can assume the BD is real currently.

Scum!Martin busses Seanzie & Town!Gikkle. The factional kill is used on Town!Gikkle. Anyone trying to heal Seanzie heals Gikkle. Anyone trying to investigate Gikkle checks Seanzie. Anyone trying to night kill Gikkle night kills Seanzie. Seanzie dies. The feedback is received by Gikkle and confirmed.

The second BD target still makes little sense to me unless Scum!Martin set it up.

Martin seems insistent that it was a town night kill that eliminated Seanzie. Weird.

I don't think I was insistent on that?

I was suggesting it as a possibility

but anyways unless someone claimed it by now its probably a mafia kill

[hollowkatt]

I suppose that makes one of us that cares about being scum read



oliverz has a case on me supposedly? I'd like to pressure the case out of them so I know what I'm working with,
Frinckles is being cryptic and I don't like it.

I used to care about being wolf read but that got boring and I would get really worked up when someone tried to push on me, lead to some bad feelings in post game chats, I ate a ban from a couple of sites for it, and I changed my ways.

So you're wolf reading Oliverz for wolf reading you, is that the gist?

What do you mean Frinckles is being cryptic and why does that make him a wolf for you?

[hollowkatt]

Wait, so they're using an argumentative style that's indicative of their scum meta, but you town read it???

I think Martin has only seen me wolf once? And even then I died N2 after sniping a townie at EOD2 b/c doctorzeus was the Moon Wolf and I tried to use the mafia factional Role Block on him. Sucked to be me. otoh my partner won it for us in F4 so that was nice. Sleep wasn't allowed so they had to chop and chopped town.

[hollowkatt]

I'm argumentative as any alignment, I can pull receipts if you're concerned.

[MartinGG99]

Also apparently I got a Day Vig shot but day kills that aren't ITA's and Day Vote Offs are off the table so it's not going to do anything.

Appreciate the thought though, to whoever gave me that.

oh so thats neat

Guilo gave the gun from the GvD card but said it wouldn't work?

[hollowkatt]

oh so thats neat

Guilo gave the gun from the GvD card but said it wouldn't work?

That's my assumption. The GvD card says "give a gun" but the host card says "no day guns" and I'm assuming host card trumps anything we can bring.

Basically the opposite of MtG where the rule is "If the card says do a thing but the rules of the game say don't do the thing, do the thing"

[MartinGG99]

There are 2 scum left. Just expected a little world building from you. Is my theory equally as absurd to you if I accused only HK of it?

wait wat

you mean you were accusing them together as bussing Pao?

I thought you just meant individually

[PQRnHack]

wait wat

you mean you were accusing them together as bussing Pao?

I thought you just meant individually

Hello. I am scum mate to paopan and hammered my teammate. COME ON!

[MartinGG99]

I think I'm okay with an HK, Oliverz, and frinckles vote.

-vote Hollowkatt

You find me a bit suspicious (in your larger post half an hour earlier) but not enough for a vote?

What makes you say that?

[PQRnHack]

My arousal has gone to nothing. This is getting boring damn.

[MartinGG99]

Hello. I am scum mate to paopan and hammered my teammate. COME ON!

PQR do you need something from me

feels like you're trying to get my attention here

[PQRnHack]

PQR do you need something from me

feels like you're trying to get my attention here

I have a simple question: tell me like im 10 yo and explain why bus Gikkle and Seanzie.

[PQRnHack]

Someone is pocketing the fuck out of me. I do not have a tally of 2 scum in my reads. I am getting fooled. I will need help from my town mates to help me please.

My eyes are still on Loldebite he pivoted really hard on me.

[MartinGG99]

I have a simple question: tell me like im 10 yo and explain why bus Gikkle and Seanzie.

because I thought seanzie good guy and hes going to get targeted by the big bad guys

so I looked for someone else who may not be targeted by the bad guys and thought Gikkle could possibly be a bad guy

and did the switch

little did I know I could've done a big dumb dumb and did not consider anyone else targeting Gikkle for the same reasons I did

thats why

[MartinGG99]

if you want more details than the 10 yo version lmk and I can re-iterate them

[PQRnHack]

because I thought seanzie good guy and hes going to get targeted by the big bad guys

so I looked for someone else who may not be targeted by the bad guys and thought Gikkle could possibly be a bad guy

and did the switch

little did I know I could've done a big dumb dumb and did not consider anyone else targeting Gikkle for the same reasons I did

thats why

What were your thoughts on Gikkle in that moment?

[PQRnHack]

if you want more details than the 10 yo version lmk and I can re-iterate them

If you are town then of course I want more details. Anything else to convince me that I should not vote you? Who do you think are scum? THere are 2 remaining. Who is last partner to oliverz in your view?

[Takumi Fujiwara]

wait wat

you mean you were accusing them together as bussing Pao?

I thought you just meant individually

I'm skeptical both of them did.

[MartinGG99]

What were your thoughts on Gikkle in that moment?

he potentially could be a pao busser

had have early vote on Pao and later on he moved to a few people in the span of a few short posts before being back on pao

also was trolling the town a bit earlier and on the off chance could be the neutral as he implied he might be on d1

[MartinGG99]

If you are town then of course I want more details. Anything else to convince me that I should not vote you? Who do you think are scum? THere are 2 remaining. Who is last partner to oliverz in your view?

I haven't caught up completely yet

but I'm currently considering

oliverz/deathworlds/lodebite

to varying degrees at the moment

maybe even hk

these people I plan to focus my thoughts on after my catch-up at the moment

[MartinGG99]

oliverz/deathworlds/lodebite/takumi

ebwop.

I was moving loldebite in there and accidentally deleted takumi's name

[MartinGG99]

Unless you're lying about the bus I think that strongman is one of the only other universe where the seanzie/gikkle kill makes sense

What do you think of Gikkle then?

[MartinGG99]

I don't know you from Adam so I'm not sure why you think I should be aware of how much or how often you post.
Also I shot MM with Inactivity Vig which lets me shoot someone with fewer than 15 posts

......why MM compared to the other low-posters?

wish there was a feature to check post-count at a certain point in the thread

I don't want to check everyone's (including dead!!!) ISO and count d1 posts

[PQRnHack]

he potentially could be a pao busser

had have early vote on Pao and later on he moved to a few people in the span of a few short posts before being back on pao

also was trolling the town a bit earlier and on the off chance could be the neutral as he implied he might be on d1

And their other teammate is?

[MartinGG99]

nobody really asked?
There was a lot of discussion around the bus drive and how that played out and I thought we should finish that conversation before starting another one.

post flip this post looked sus af
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post956310

I completely forgot that post by MM existed

I wondered why he said informative

[MartinGG99]

And their other teammate is?

Idk.

Never thought that far.

Besides, couldn't do anything about it since bus driver limited to 2 targets.

[deathworlds]

You find me a bit suspicious (in your larger post half an hour earlier) but not enough for a vote?

What makes you say that?

I want to keep you around for now in case you slip, otherwise you're a strong player and town could use the brain juice

[MartinGG99]

I want to keep you around for now in case you slip, otherwise you're a strong player and town could use the brain juice

good answer tbh

although I don't know how exactly you expect me to slip

but I can understand the latter sentiment in my past town games





for legal reasons the 2nd line is a joke

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm tired, so this is a low effort list.

Lock Town
Town Lean
Null
Scum Lean
"Lock" Scum

MartinGG99 - Martin historically has weak day 1s, and this game was no exception. His vote on me day 1 looks bad, but now we appear to be mindmelding. I'm hesitant to place him in lock town, but he appears very good presently.

Mesk514 / Oliverz144 - Mesk never claimed citizen which means she was in her scum meta (This is not a joke. That's actually a serious meta scumtell for Mesk) and Oliver refuses to address my points. I have no plans to move my vote.

loldebite - Strong mindmelds throughout day 1 and day 2. First person to follow me on the Pao train.

Deathworlds - It's hard for me to say that DW is in his scum meta right now because I think he's played like one game in the last 2 years, but I am getting some serious ?Krc vibes from his play this game, a game where he just ran the table as scum (and got robbed of a win).

Gikkle - Nobody is making an argument against Gikkle even though one theoretically exists. Mechanically he looks like town right now but vote analysis isn't THAT strong because of the early hammer.

Hollowkatt - I remember reading HK's vote on pao at EoD and thinking "when did that get there". Strong day 2. I do not remember anything this person did day 1.

Bradland - This is such a flimsy, goofy town core but I have loved this guy since his first post.

Takumi Fujiwara - The conclusions he drew from day 1 are so outlandish and wild that I literally have no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

PQRnHack - Looks like scum, smells like town.

NotPaopan (5): Gikkle, PQRnHack, Stealthbomber16, Loldebite, hollowkatt
PQRnHack (3): Marshmallow Marshalt, deathworlds, DoctorZeus
Marshmallow Marshalt (2): NotPaopan, Mesk514
Stealthbomber16 (2): Seanzie, MartinGG99
Gikkle (1): Takumi Fujiwara
This vote analysis is basically worthless because there was supposed to be an extra 12 hours. Votes should've shuffled around more. But there are a few things that kind of make sense? I don't know. I can see some of my greens sliding down to yellows in the future now that I've typed it all out.

[Stealthbomber16]

One of those town leans needs to be yellow and I'm going to have to spend today picking one.

[hollowkatt]

Someone is pocketing the fuck out of me. I do not have a tally of 2 scum in my reads. I am getting fooled. I will need help from my town mates to help me please.

My eyes are still on Loldebite he pivoted really hard on me.

lets chat about him then. I thought his posting today seemed townie, why do you think he's wolfing, other than pivoting on you b/c I can't grok OMGUS

[MartinGG99]

loldebite - Strong mindmelds throughout day 1 and day 2. First person to follow me on the Pao train.

ik you said low effort so when you get the chance mind sharing some strong mindmelds you had with Loldebite?

[hollowkatt]

......why MM compared to the other low-posters?

wish there was a feature to check post-count at a certain point in the thread

I don't want to check everyone's (including dead!!!) ISO and count d1 posts

he had some suspect posts to me, specifically where he shifted his vote b/c "omg I forgot I was still voting rvs" b/c it seemed lamist and vaguely performative. That and I remember a game back in the day where he was the only wolf I couldn't catch so I figured use the inactivity vig and pray I was right.

I was not right

[hollowkatt]

One of those town leans needs to be yellow and I'm going to have to spend today picking one.

what makes you feel that way?