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    ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    Account Name: ZZorange
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-2701690
    In-Game Name: Honest Man Ace Attorney

    Crimes Committed: Greifing

    Your Account Name: Invictus
    Summary:
    I was assigned as a Bus Driver on slot 10 and this player was assigned as marshall. N1 I switched myself with player on slot 2. On the beginning of D2, player on slot 2 claimed Role-Blocked and Bussed. Also jailor died after jailing 13, so most town members suspected 13 being SK.
    Then this player activated lynch as a marshall and I pmed my role and lw to this player. As 2 claimed bussed and 13 claimed BD in jail, I was a confirmed Bus Driver who was active on night 1. However, this player started doing his own routine of lynching default names. Thus, I criticized him for specifically targeting default names. Then this player went ahead and vote me and I got lynched. Lynch result was 2 town deaths and 1 triad death.

    This player previously had a notorious reputation of targeting defaults which also got carried over to this game. Also, just because I criticized him for that, he went ahead and lynch confirmed Bus Driver.

    Please punish him accordingly as I do not find this type of gameplay enjoyable with this player's behavior.
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    Last edited by Sheriff; May 26th, 2021 at 04:37 AM.

  2. ISO #2

    ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    Account Name: ZZorange
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-2701690
    In-Game Name: Honest Man Ace Attorney

    Crimes Committed: Reactionary Game Throwing

    Your Account Name: Bloodwrath

    Summary:
    ZZorange lynched a confirmed town as Marshall out of spite.

    In this game, ZZorange gets Marshall. At the start of Day 2, #2 claimed that he was bussed and RB'ed. ZZorange reveals as Marshall later in Day 2.

    #10 is the Bus Driver that swapped himself with #2, and #11 is the escort that targeted #10 but ended up blocking #2 due to the bus.

    Immediately after #10 claims bus driver to ZZorange, ZZorange writes in his lw: "Confirmed Town: 10".

    ZZorange lynches 2 default names first, and #10 complains about ZZorange targeting default names. ZZorange then lynches #10 out of spite for calling him out despite having just acknowledged that #10 is confirmed town in his lw.

    After lynching #10, ZZorange confirms his motivation for lynching a confirmed town: "You were complaining that I was lynching defaults. Are you not satisfied? Well you shouldn't have complained".

    ZZorange knew #10 was confirmed town by overwhelming evidence. #10 had no leads against him. ZZorange wrote a single confirmed town in his lw and it was #10. But ZZorange still lynched #10 because he complained about the lynching of default names.

    Replay: ZZorange gamethrow (5-20-21).SC2Replay
    Last edited by Sheriff; May 26th, 2021 at 04:36 AM.

  3. ISO #3

    Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    ZZorange 1-S2-1-2701690 Correct

    Respective Hotkeys
    ZZorange 1

    Summary
    1 -Mafia 2.0 Beta- Lookout
    2 Hi - Sheriff
    3 Honest Man Ace Attorney - Marshall
    4 Guldo - Deceiver
    5 Giuseppe Cage - Doctor
    6 Taddeo Bruno - Dragon Head
    7 The Town Sheriff - Amnesiac
    8 Piero - Incense Master
    9 Uncle Biter - Jailor
    10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver
    11 S t o v e - Escort
    12 Orlando Gallo - Sheriff
    13 -Mafia 3.0 Alpha- Serial Killer
    14 Nuncio Costello - Witch

    Night 1
    9 - Jailor is killed be SK - last will mentions that they jailed 13 and 13 claimed Bus Driver
    12 - Sheriff is killed and sanitized by DH + Incense Master

    Day 2
    ZZorange reveals as Marshall and receives PMs:
    14 Nuncio Costello - Witch claims: sheriff n1 - 5
    11 S t o v e - Escort claims: escort n1 - 10
    1 -Mafia 2.0 Beta- Lookout claims: lookout n1 - 11vb5
    8 Piero - Incense Master claims: coroner
    7 The Town Sheriff - Amnesiac claims: amnesiac planning to become jailor
    13 -Mafia 3.0 Alpha- Serial Killer claims: bus driver, no lw but says they will swap marshall tonight
    5 Giuseppe Cage - Doctor claims: doc n1 - 11
    6 Taddeo Bruno - Dragon Head claims: doc n1 - 5
    2 Hi - Sheriff claims: sheriff n1 - bussed and rb
    5 is meanwhile messaging several times in chat and PM for ZZorange to not lynch him for being default
    10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver claims: bus driver n1 10-2

    ZZorange sets his lw to "Confirmed Town: 10" and starts a train on 5 Giuseppe Cage - Doctor
    5 stands by his doc claim and pleads for town to get 13
    ZZorange starts a train on 4 Guldo - Deceiver
    10 says "this retard is doing default lynch again."
    ZZorange starts a train on 10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver
    ZZorange says "You were complaining that I was lynching defaults. Are you not satisfied?"

    Full day 2 interaction between ZZorange and 10 (Invictus):
    3:11 Invictus yep
    3:13 Invictus seems like 13 is sk
    3:19 ZZorange TOWN
    3:21 ZZorange WE HAVE A 33% CHANCE TO LOSE
    3:23 ZZorange ARE YOU FEELING LUCKY?
    3:30 ZZorange ROGER THAT
    3:31 ZZorange -lynch
    3:31 Invictus No dont do it
    3:35 ZZorange dududududududud
    3:37 ZZorange dududududududududu
    3:39 ZZorange dudududududududu
    3:40 Invictus -pm 2 BD N2: 10-2
    3:42 ZZorange doooooooooooooo
    3:43 ZZorange dududuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
    3:48 ZZorange doo doo doo dooo doo doo doo doo doo dooo
    3:49 Invictus -pm 3 BD N1: 10- 2
    3:50 ZZorange -lw
    4:08 ZZorange -lw
    4:24 ZZorange I'll think about it
    4:45 Invictus this retard is doing default lynch again.
    Lynch Train began by ZZorange
    5:05 Invictus no
    5:06 Invictus ur throwing
    5:07 Invictus bitch
    5:18 ZZorange You were complaining that I was lynching defaults. Are you not satisfied?
    5:19 Invictus Retard monkey marshall. No more protection for u bitch
    5:22 Invictus i am confirmed
    5:23 Invictus by 2
    5:25 Invictus and still lynching me
    5:27 Invictus yeah
    5:28 ZZorange Well you shouldn't have complained.

    Night 2
    ZZorange changes his last will to:
    Confirmed town: 13,Stove Probably Town: 8, 1
    7 The Town Sheriff - Amnesiac is killed and sanitized by DH + Incense Master
    3 Honest Man Ace Attorney - Marshall is killed by SK

    Remainder of the Game
    Town goes on to lose to the Serial Killer + the Witch.
    The outcome of the game was certainly altered by the mislynch on 10.
    A detailed report of the remainder of the game is out of scope for this report.

    Graveyard Chat
    Spoiler : Chat between ZZorange and Invictus :
    6:28 Invictus this is reportable
    6:31 Invictus 2 claimed bussed
    6:34 Invictus and still lynching me?
    6:49 Invictus there u go retard
    6:53 Invictus i am reporting u for gamethrowing
    6:55 ZZorange whats up
    7:07 Invictus enjoy permanent ban bitch
    7:08 ZZorange ?
    7:11 ZZorange for what
    ZZorange checks chat log (no filter)
    ZZorange checks chat log (13 -Mafia 3.0 Alpha- Serial Killer)
    7:16 Invictus 2 claimed bussed and rbed
    7:19 Invictus and they had lead on 13
    ZZorange checks chat log (no filter)
    ZZorange checks chat log (2 Hi - Sheriff)
    7:25 Invictus u still lynch confirmed BD?
    7:33 ZZorange ?
    7:35 Invictus just because i criticized u on lynching default?
    7:38 ZZorange there was no lead on 13 until today
    7:40 Invictus MOD will determine
    7:41 ZZorange and 13 also claimed bd
    7:46 Invictus but he was in jail
    7:55 ZZorange You complained that I was lynching defaults.
    7:59 Invictus ok
    8:06 Invictus then its reportable
    8:08 ZZorange Usually people that complain about that stuff are triad.
    8:09 Invictus uare doing this agian
    8:11 Invictus lol
    8:12 ZZorange Doing what?
    8:16 ZZorange Lynching non cooperative town?
    8:17 Invictus Enjoy permaban
    8:26 ZZorange If you complain and you get lynched thats kind of on you my guy.
    8:30 Invictus lol non-cooperative? i voted on every single person u voted
    8:36 Invictus 2 said bussed and rbed
    8:42 Invictus and i said i was bd who bussed 2
    ZZorange checks chat log (no filter)
    ZZorange checks chat log (6 Taddeo Bruno - Dragon Head)
    ZZorange checks chat log (no filter)
    8:45 Invictus u still went ahead and lynch me
    8:49 Invictus that is intentional gamethrowing
    ZZorange checks chat log (10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver)
    8:52 Invictus enjoy ban bitch
    8:57 ZZorange nah
    8:59 ZZorange it wasn't intentional throwing
    9:02 Invictus I didn't report you before
    9:05 Invictus but this would be my first time
    9:06 ZZorange otherwise i would have targetted confirmed town
    9:08 ZZorange and wouldnt have lynched 4
    9:15 ZZorange Wasn't trying to gamethrow
    9:16 ZZorange Nice try tho
    9:22 Invictus Mod will determine
    9:25 ZZorange ok dude
    9:29 ZZorange Hello mod vieweing this replay.
    9:29 Invictus enjoy permaban bitch
    9:35 ZZorange I did not attempt to intentionally throw this game!
    9:41 ZZorange If i had then I wouldn't have lynched 4!
    9:46 Invictus lol
    9:51 ZZorange I made a bad mass lynch only getting 1 triad, if that is illegal you may ban me1
    9:53 Invictus 2 claimed bussed n1
    9:56 Invictus and I am bd
    10:05 Invictus he lynched me just because i criticized him for lynching defaults
    10:07 ZZorange I only lynched 10 cause he complained about default lynches
    10:10 ZZorange That's a common triad move.
    10:13 ZZorange Triad commonly complain about it.
    10:16 Invictus even though most town suspected 13 was sk
    10:19 Invictus lol
    10:20 Invictus ok
    10:21 Invictus sure
    10:24 Invictus lets see
    10:33 Invictus i am sure i am not the only one reporting this
    10:39 Invictus u blew the last chance Mod has given u
    10:41 ZZorange idk he's fired up
    10:49 Invictus i am reporting zzorange for throwing
    10:49 Invictus i am reporting zzorange for throwing
    10:51 ZZorange i didnt throw tho
    11:07 ZZorange rest in peace my stove
    11:07 Invictus ok troll lover
    11:08 Invictus u stfu
    11:16 ZZorange not sure why u roleblocked me lol
    11:20 Invictus -lw
    11:21 Invictus -lw
    11:22 ZZorange I could tell you were town when deceiver died
    11:23 ZZorange all gud tho
    11:29 Invictus ok i am filing report anyway
    11:35 Invictus we will see what Mods will say
    11:36 ZZorange You know the ironic thing 10
    11:40 ZZorange If we had down what i was about to do
    11:43 ZZorange and lynch 8
    11:46 ZZorange we prob wud have got 2 triad
    11:51 ZZorange I was about to click 8 until you complained
    11:53 ZZorange about default lynching
    11:55 Invictus lol
    12:02 Invictus even if u didn't gamethrow
    12:06 Invictus u were definitely griefing
    12:08 ZZorange if town loses this game
    12:10 ZZorange Ironically you played a part.
    12:16 Invictus we will see about that
    12:18 ZZorange 10 did
    12:20 Invictus I am reporting zzorange
    12:20 ZZorange I was about to click 8s name
    12:20 Invictus I am reporting zzorange
    12:23 ZZorange And then he piped up
    12:26 Invictus for griefing and gamethrowing
    12:33 ZZorange wahhh default lynching!!!!
    12:46 Invictus enjoy permanent ban
    12:53 Invictus u dont know how many people hate u
    12:54 ZZorange enjoy the hemmorhoid I guess?
    12:55 Invictus hahaha
    13:04 Invictus i am sure i am not the only one
    13:08 Invictus who is gonna file report
    13:47 Invictus town lost
    13:50 Invictus because that shit
    13:52 Invictus 3
    13:57 ZZorange then let me lynch who i want to lynch next time
    14:00 ZZorange without being a baseless whiner
    14:24 ZZorange lol
    14:25 ZZorange Brutal
    14:27 ZZorange Savage
    14:28 ZZorange Rekt
    14:54 Invictus -lw
    14:55 Invictus -lw


    Appeal Violations
    As ZZorange is currently on appeal from a permaban - I am including the conditions of that appeal here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    So as much as I indeed believe conditional appeal could work in a better way than just bashing staff/using smurf account/denying every charges, I must admit the writing style is confusing whether it's sarcasm or sincere to some extent.

    Just for the record, the initial conditions/ideas I suggested were :

    1 : Stop your default hate, including but not only : Marshall rampage (ignoring everything, and straight up going for the defaults), Jailor or Vigi hyper-focusing, LW forging only to get a default down. There will be no award at the end of the year delivered for the one who killed the most defaults.

    2 : While not considered as an offense, but as an unsportsmanlike way of playing, avoid witch-hunting as much as possible. In the same way keeping grudges over and over make the game less enjoyable for everyone.

    3 : Claim your role (and lw if possible) on the stand. Obviously when evil, play smart and don't open claim evil on the stand.

    4 : Play in a "normal" way. Before doing anything, think of it. If it reduces the quality of the game, better not to do it.

    5 : Pushing whoever you want (including defaults) is still possible but make it in a way the whole game does not become a ZZ vs Default brawl.
    1 - Default Hate
    The mislynch on a default came from a spammy doc claim when there were 2 doc claims and 2 bus driver claims. This lynch did not feel motivated by default hunting - especially since the other doc claim was also a default name.

    The second default lynched was scum.

    In his lw he labeled a default name as "Probably Town"

    Overall I do not believe there was a violation of this condition.

    2 - Witch Hunting
    The mislynch on 10 (Invictus) did not seem motivated by ZZorange thinking that 10 was Invictus - instead it seemed motivation out of spite or annoyance at 10's criticism.

    No appeal violations

    Player Offenses
    Looking at the information given to the Marshall, 10 was an objectively incorrect lynch.
    2 Claimed they were bussed and roleblocked
    10 Claimed they swapped themselves with 2
    11 Claims they blocked 10
    9 States in LW that they Jailed 13
    13 Claims they were Jailed Bus Driver

    There are no other Bus Driver claims. There are very, very few scenarios where given this information 10 is anything but bus driver.

    This fact combined with the fact that ZZorange puts in his last will that 10 is confirmed town indicates that he thought 10 was town.

    ZZorange had no intention of lynching 10 until this line:
    "4:45 Invictus this retard is doing default lynch again."

    After which ZZorange gets 10 lynched despite his thinking that 10 is confirmed town.

    Reactionary Game Throwing

    Previous Offenses
    Griefing (May 2021, Permaban - Appealed)

    BLx2 appealed to a WLx3 (late January 2020)
    Intentional Gamethrowing
    Griefing?

    Gamethrowing (2011, KickVote),
    Skyping (2013, 2xKickVote),
    Skyping/Cheating (2013, 4xKickVote),
    Cheating/Skyping/Gamethrow/Griefing (2013, BLx2),
    Skyping (2013, Permabanned),
    Cheating/Skyping(2013, Already Permabanned)

    Recommended Action
    Recommended action deferred to Warden

    Additional Notes
    Thank you for taking the time to submit this report in your effort to make the community a better place
    Last edited by Sheriff; May 28th, 2021 at 07:38 PM.

  4. ISO #4

  5. ISO #5

    Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    DISCLAIMER : This is not an appeal.

    Sheriff actually provides a lot of context here and honestly the higher level of competency over the average mod here is appreciated.

    Sheriff also makes fairly accurate Judgement of this case so probs to him for actually watching the entire replay. Which well Sheriff isn't as common as you would think.

    So essentially my involvement in this game was a single Marshall lynch so let's break that down.

    First Lynch : 5 was a default who falsely loudly claimed someone else was Serial killer when he pm'd me that he was Doctor, he was lynched for that reason, not because he was default.

    Second Lynch : 4 was a default named Guido who pm'd simply "I am guido" IE a non claimer, as Marshall many people lynch non claims, so this isn't very unusual.

    Third Lynch : Originally my third choice was going to be 8 because he claimed Coroner in a very low% coroner game, with a confirmed Incense Master, which he was. However Invictus one of the known people who has a hate boner complained that I was back to my old default lynching ways and that he was going to get me banned, this is kinda just what he does. Made worse by the fact that Invictus himself is a very mediocre Mafia player and I have numerous times seem him make very egregious errors. Anyway due to the fact that he was annoying the shit out of me, I voted him up to be lynched forgetting there was reasonable proof he was bus driver. Keep in mind, he wasn't hard confirmed, just 2 was corroborating his story, making it likely. Hence when I typed in confirmed 10 as it sounded like a legitimate will. I will admit that it was a poor choice, but ironically it only happened because he complained about something I wasn't actually doing and pissed me off, so I let my anger make the final decision and lynch him.

    After this mass lynch I am killed by a serial killer and it's 2 dead town 1 dead Triad, had things gone according to my initial plan it would have been 2/3 a bit better.

    I don't like this being labelled with gamethrowing though because I wasn't trying to throw the game and would have had a decent lynch had Invictus not been the person he is.
    The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.

  6. ISO #6

    Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    Quote Originally Posted by ZZorange View Post

    I don't like this being labelled with gamethrowing though because I wasn't trying to throw the game and would have had a decent lynch had Invictus not been the person he is.
    Deflection is one of the many defense mechanisms. When someone deflects, they are trying to feel less guilty, avoid negative consequences, and put the blame on others. It is a learned defense mechanism, typically starting from early childhood. Most people have heard children blame their siblings for something they did. Usually, this behavior is diminished as the child enters other development stages. However, the habit doesn’t always go away when someone enters adulthood. This can be a serious problem and can have a large effect on their relationships.

    Source if you're interested in learning more.

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  8. ISO #8

    Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    Honestly I have thought about making new accounts with the sole intention of actual gamethrowing numerous times now, but been put off everytime because at the end of the day it wouldn't be revenge it'd be punishing mostly good people for the actions of a few Invictuses and Altechs. It would be cathartic to actually get the joy of throwing a game if that was fun for me since I've been punished for it so much, but at the end of the day I don't enjoy gamethrowing and never have so I don't. If there was a hack that showed me playernames so i could specifically target bad people I would, but that's some tryhard shit.
    The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.

 

 

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