S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)

[Oberon]

exactly, hence why we have to kill a PR claim dude

[Oberon]

MM's not an escort lol
nobody claimed to be roleblocked, and unless he visited Mike which I find highly unlikely, then there is no way for him to confirm himself.

[SuperJack]

Mike is dead. Their action may of been on them

[Oberon]

yaeh no I don't buy that. I'm not even going to back it on the possibility of MM being confirmed. If MM cannot confirm himself it literally leaves us in the same position as today. fuck that. EVEN if he can confirm himself it doesn't mean he actually is what he claims to be. I mean if he's a detective that's the only thing he could possibly do to confirm himself; scum already knows all the roles so sheriff could just be faked. you're literally banking it on the one chance, as town, that Auwt would put TWO detectives in a single game. TWO. who can literally confirm each other to one another beyond the shadow of a doubt. I don't buy that.

if he's NOT a detective then he cannot confirm himself. there is no reason for him to roleblock Mike as he did not scumread Mike yesterday. and I refuse to believe in the extremely unlikely coincidence that a) The Godfather thought Mike was a threat and b) MM thought Mike was a threat, but as scum. That just doesn't happen. he's not escort.

[Oberon]

the safe thing, here, always, is to lynch in the TPR Pool. That gives us a 50% chance of correctly lynching tomorrow if we're wrong (100% from my perspective). I'm never lynching a citizen claim.

[Numbertwo]

Frosty is my strongest town read, followed by Bakemir. Then between Ozy and #2 I'm more inclined to see #2 as scum. Althoucht Ozys earllier friendlyness with me also bothered me.

If you were town you wouldn't see me as scum

-vote superjack

[bakermir]

SJ is gettin voted by Oberon and MM because of a claim. If Numbertwo isn't SJ's partner then FB or OZy is and that I can't really deduce one or other..


Is it better to vote out SJ here then? Like what if he flips town? Then we gotta make a choice between MM and Oberon..


My thoughts may seem like helping scum but honestly I don't think there are any positives to lynching SJ. We will still need to figure out who their partner is between FB/OzyEfe/NumberTwo if SJ flips maf and thats 3 player pool while if we lynch numbertwo we have less players in pool and depending on tpr feedback/laswills and mafia NK, we should be able to figure out the mafia on F5 tomorrow or at least give the last town voter the 50% 50% chance in elim if we exclude reads and whole game history

[Oberon]

this is really not that complicated, people need to stop fabricating complex conspiracy theories, lynching a citizen claim keeps the current TPR fightfest alive and MAY (emphasis on MAY) confirm ONE PR, or it may not. that's banking it on either a) MM being escort (extremely unlikely) or b) MM being detective (extremely unlikely). Compare that to lynching a TPR claim, which is GUARANTEED to either a) confirm someone as scum (preferable) or b) confirm someone as town. All this without the extremely unlikely probability of MM being either escort or detective.

it's not complicated. stop making it so.

[Oberon]

if someone hammers they're getting turbolynched tomorrow REGARDLESS of if SJ flips scum. DO NOT GAMETHROW.

[SuperJack]

If you were town you wouldn't see me as scum

-vote superjack

If you played the game and read you would see that I neither see you as scum or town. Please read my analysis on you. It basically says you've done so little it's not possible to get a read on you and your slot goes either way.

[SuperJack]

if someone hammers they're getting turbolynched tomorrow REGARDLESS of if SJ flips scum. DO NOT GAMETHROW.

Lol what the fuck? What are you even doing? Your refusing to discuss who is the remaining scum and scum hunt, you are heavily anti-discussion and for pro-scum results.

And now you are playing this card?

[SuperJack]

yaeh no I don't buy that. I'm not even going to back it on the possibility of MM being confirmed. If MM cannot confirm himself it literally leaves us in the same position as today. fuck that. EVEN if he can confirm himself it doesn't mean he actually is what he claims to be. I mean if he's a detective that's the only thing he could possibly do to confirm himself; scum already knows all the roles so sheriff could just be faked. you're literally banking it on the one chance, as town, that Auwt would put TWO detectives in a single game. TWO. who can literally confirm each other to one another beyond the shadow of a doubt. I don't buy that.

if he's NOT a detective then he cannot confirm himself. there is no reason for him to roleblock Mike as he did not scumread Mike yesterday. and I refuse to believe in the extremely unlikely coincidence that a) The Godfather thought Mike was a threat and b) MM thought Mike was a threat, but as scum. That just doesn't happen. he's not escort.

Dude I've already stated and explained why it's better.
You're just ignoring it.

[SuperJack]

yaeh no I don't buy that. I'm not even going to back it on the possibility of MM being confirmed. If MM cannot confirm himself it literally leaves us in the same position as today. fuck that. EVEN if he can confirm himself it doesn't mean he actually is what he claims to be. I mean if he's a detective that's the only thing he could possibly do to confirm himself; scum already knows all the roles so sheriff could just be faked. you're literally banking it on the one chance, as town, that Auwt would put TWO detectives in a single game. TWO. who can literally confirm each other to one another beyond the shadow of a doubt. I don't buy that.

if he's NOT a detective then he cannot confirm himself. there is no reason for him to roleblock Mike as he did not scumread Mike yesterday. and I refuse to believe in the extremely unlikely coincidence that a) The Godfather thought Mike was a threat and b) MM thought Mike was a threat, but as scum. That just doesn't happen. he's not escort.

If he a detective he can confirm my role or your role as we are required to follow someone.
If he is Sheriff he can check you and if you show red it confirms Framer exists. But I can also claim who he followed before that and confirm it. Or follow you and see where you go.
If he is a Doctor he has the potential to stop the night kill and confirm himself, and one other as town.
If he is an escort it's basically a conformable role and could also stop the night kill. Small chance of being the consort who went to kill n1 exists with that confirmation though. Although it would leave you free recheck me

[SuperJack]

Every wifom role that MM has will either result in a pro-town result or the same TPR stalemate.
If he is killed it's 50/50 between me and you tomorrow.
If he is he scum and doesn't kill, one of our feedback may render better results.

[SuperJack]

And even then. If we still lynch TPR claim today we could of had a huglyo benificial disuccion and hunt for the last scum.

But you magob. Have seen that any potential discussion is stopped at your best attempts.

[bakermir]

Every wifom role that MM has will either result in a pro-town result or the same TPR stalemate.
If he is killed it's 50/50 between me and you tomorrow.
If he is he scum and doesn't kill, one of our feedback may render better results.

yeah this pretty much.


numbertwo switched his vote from MM but OzyEfe is still voting. I am not sure what to do here. People seem to avoid giving opinions on Oberon vs SJ today or potentially tomorrow

[SuperJack]

I'm not voting Bake. I'm unlikely to vote Frosty.
I admit I've been ignoring ozyteam too last to review because they are the highest poster and hybrid confhusement. and now I've ran of time.
Number2 is to inactive to read and confirm and their slot is still either.

I'm not going to vote Ozy without reading though their post. If I can finish the dentist in time and convince the wife to let me skip food I might be able to read though them.

But to vote between Policy no2. Ignores Ozy. Counterclamer MM and insane anti-discussion Mag.
I'm voting Mag. Unless someone can review Ozy forme and help determine their alignment.

[SuperJack]

If and when I'm lynched. All that will happen is tomorrow scum will kill a citizen leaving it 50/50 between MM and Oberon. And now you are in the same position as today, only you have no discussion or votes about scum amongst citizens to use. Or any useable extra night feedback.

[SuperJack]

I'm going to try and read now. Someone ping me before 30mins Did

[SuperJack]

End of day.

Also my last will is also all I have posted tday.Don't have time to put a new one together.

[SuperJack]

Ahhah! I've got it! This is the part where I act really clever and show off my amazing intelligent and present my near insane yet amazingly genius idea to solve an issue! Whilst probably breaking reality's and using never hear of before Gargon.

I have a way to prove I'm detective. To either MM or Oberon.
Firstly. I choose one to follow, and I immediately post who they visited during the day! That way they can confirm it.

What if the are dead? How can I do that you ask?
Well all I need to do is immediately post who they visited.
And in their last will, they leave who the visited.
But can't I just read their last will?

Not when their target is placed in an easy yet time consuming code that will later confirm it?

For example, say post 34 character 67, post 30 character 83.

And in the end you get something like SECRETCODETARGETWASNUMBER2CHECK


Or

BANANASHAMICEACKEDtheauthorofpost76lolhaha.

[SuperJack]

That way if they die I still see who they visited.

[Oberon]

If he a detective he can confirm my role or your role as we are required to follow someone.
If he is Sheriff he can check you and if you show red it confirms Framer exists. But I can also claim who he followed before that and confirm it. Or follow you and see where you go.
If he is a Doctor he has the potential to stop the night kill and confirm himself, and one other as town.
If he is an escort it's basically a conformable role and could also stop the night kill. Small chance of being the consort who went to kill n1 exists with that confirmation though. Although it would leave you free recheck me

1. no if he's detective it confirms nothing because WIFOM still exists. he can see you as visiting scum - again invalidates any potential check he may have. that's discounting the extremely low probability of their being two detectives
2. he's not sheriff, there's no way there would be two sheriffs in this game. besides he still cannot find the godfather. IF one of us is godfather it literally proves nothing, and again if there is a framer he will literally see one (both!) of us as scum
3. If he's doctor, he would have to correctly heal the scum nightkill outside of the PR pool (again very unlikely). AND even if he does that unless the scum literally attack one of the PRs it confirms nobody because he and the person he confirmed could be scum.
4. he's not an escort. period.

[Oberon]

Ahhah! I've got it! This is the part where I act really clever and show off my amazing intelligent and present my near insane yet amazingly genius idea to solve an issue! Whilst probably breaking reality's and using never hear of before Gargon.

I have a way to prove I'm detective. To either MM or Oberon.
Firstly. I choose one to follow, and I immediately post who they visited during the day! That way they can confirm it.

What if the are dead? How can I do that you ask?
Well all I need to do is immediately post who they visited.
And in their last will, they leave who the visited.
But can't I just read their last will?

Not when their target is placed in an easy yet time consuming code that will later confirm it?

For example, say post 34 character 67, post 30 character 83.

And in the end you get something like SECRETCODETARGETWASNUMBER2CHECK


Or

BANANASHAMICEACKEDtheauthorofpost76lolhaha.

But if you're town and you follow the wrong person that wrong person can literally lie about who they visited :P
Or they can get framed.

[Oberon]

MM here. thread IQ went up by 300 points

[SuperJack]

Why are you so confident on MM's role? Can't be sheriff, cant be escort.

[SuperJack]

But if you're town and you follow the wrong person that wrong person can literally lie about who they visited :P
Or they can get framed.

Yet it still gives the opportunity on positive results. Results are either positive or non-effective. No negative results.

[SuperJack]

Fuck investigations happen after kill.

[SuperJack]

@Auwt

Can Framers make dead people visit?
Are sheriffs/detectives still seen as visiting even If they die?
Can doctors self visit?
Can citizens self visit?
Are two of the same tpr/scum roles possible?

[Oberon]

Yet it still gives the opportunity on positive results. Results are either positive or non-effective. No negative results.

And you're banking it all on a 5% chance that you literally get anyways if you lynch a TPR. Hence why it's anti-town, if you lynch a TPR and it's wrong you have to pick between two people tomorrow and that's a WAY better chance than picking between the fucking citizen claims. The chance of TPRs actually confirming someone is incredibly slim to begin with - because you'd pretty much need two PRs to confirm each other as a TPR confirming a citizen wouldn't work. So basically you'd bank it on either MM being escort and roleblocking a PR, which could confirm at least one of them was town (not particularly useful), or on MM and you visiting each other and confirming you visited each other. better yet visiting the same person and having the same result. those are the ONLY two possibilites in which someone could actually be confirmed by a PR. since there's a guaranteed scum in the citizens.

[Numbertwo]

if someone hammers they're getting turbolynched tomorrow REGARDLESS of if SJ flips scum. DO NOT GAMETHROW.

doesn't the day end in like 1 and a half hour?

[SuperJack]

But if you're town and you follow the wrong person that wrong person can literally lie about who they visited :P
Or they can get framed.

But according to you I'm not town. So I will completely and utterly fail what plan I make and reveal myself. So why are you consuming?

[SuperJack]

doesn't the day end in like 1 and a half hour?

Yeh but gotta sneak on some tow cred

[Oberon]

yeah this pretty much.


numbertwo switched his vote from MM but OzyEfe is still voting. I am not sure what to do here. People seem to avoid giving opinions on Oberon vs SJ today or potentially tomorrow

it's more than 50%.
the same TPR stalemate is actually worse than the one today because we won't get a mislynch and will have to pick the correct misclaim between the two prs.

[Oberon]

I need to leave because my old meta is showing itself. Bye. I'm not unvoting, and I hope nobody else is. The people I see on any non-TPR train are getting turbolynched tomorrow. Please do not gamethrow.

[Oberon]

I would like hammer power but I fear that would be asking too much at this point.

[SuperJack]

it's more than 50%.
the same TPR stalemate is actually worse than the one today because we won't get a mislynch and will have to pick the correct misclaim between the two prs.

Apart from that you have all the data from scum hunting in the citizens to use. Extra possible-possitive feedback from the power roles.

[Oberon]

No because the TPRs can be scum LOL

[SuperJack]

doesn't the day end in like 1 and a half hour?

Can you like? Do somthing *poke with stick*

The only read you have given is "Superjack is scum"

And thats generous calling it a read.

[SuperJack]

No because the TPRs can be scum LOL

Wait, Town Power roles are also scum.
Fuck I' guess I am scum all along.

[Oberon]

Wait, Town Power roles are also scum.
Fuck I' guess I am scum all along.

Good luck

[SuperJack]

I need to leave because my old meta is showing itself. Bye. I'm not unvoting, and I hope nobody else is. The people I see on any non-TPR train are getting turbolynched tomorrow. Please do not gamethrow.

Classic Oberon. Run away under pressure or when failing in a debate, accuse everyone else of gamethrowing.

[SuperJack]

Thank you for ruining any chance of discussion that can help out the scum. Very Pro-Town
You sound just like Dark Machican in the game where he was scum, all he said was super jack is scum, or you are scum with superjack. They also didnt help discussion./

[Auwt]

@Auwt

Can Framers make dead people visit?
Are sheriffs/detectives still seen as visiting even If they die?
Can doctors self visit?
Can citizens self visit?
Are two of the same tpr/scum roles possible?

1 : Framer is acting before the factional kill in the OoO, so yes.

2 :

If the player was blocked or is an investigative who got killed, they're not performing their action thus not seen visiting.

So no. they are not seen as visiting.

3 : Doctors cannot self heal/visit.

4 : Yes, if both a Framer and a Godfather frame and kill this specific Citizen.

5 : The scum role is obviously unique since there is only one random role. And it is a possibility regarding the TPRs.

[SuperJack]

OzQyotes

Spoiler : Day 1 :

Well.. technically we can afford 1 mislynch + 1 skip.
@SuperJack

(o)

Good Morning Humanity!
Its Me!

The Person Who Talks Like This!

And Today I Want To Start A Dating Program On Day 1

@FrostByte Congratulations You Have Been Selected For The First Round

Now Its Time To Find You A Date!

Change My Freaking Profile Picture That Troll Monster Is Disgusting

Screw You

I Myself Am One Who Talks Like This Aswell

You Are Fighting The European Version

Its not shit

I just tried to help you

Why are you so rude to me

Why Is Ozy The Common Idiot?

So Uhhhh Welcome To The Dating Show We Call Uhhhh

Jack's Dating

We Have To Find Something Good To Bring Up The Ratings Else Our Host Jack Is Going To Kill Us

Would You Mind Helping Me To Make The Ratings Not Sink Into Quicksand?

So I Got A Business Strategy

We Put FrostByte Into The Podium

Jack Says Some Few Words And Then We Do A Prayer Towards The Flying Spaghetti Monster

And Then Uh

I Still Gotta Think Of Something To Make This Show Interesting

Would You Guys Be Willing To Share The Word?

So I Was Thinking...

We Require Sponsors

Maybe Ask The Local Flower Shop?

I Heard Flowers Make The Best Girlfriends

It actually is 1 mislynch + 1 skip, due to the extra citizen.

Regardless though. Can you explain why are you attacking players right out of the gate?

Barely half page into the game, you've already called someone idiot, prima donna, "fucked your mom", shyguy, and plenty of personal comments.

Honestly, what is wrong with you?

(o)

(o)

You're asking?

(o)
I literally said nothing to you in any way shape or form. Then I see you threw insults at me.

Now you say "why don't you leave me alone?"...

Dude... seriously...

Just Spread The Word About Jack's Dating

The More Followers Jack Gets The Richer He Comes From The Ratings

(o)

LOL I didn't even notice it's in your sig, I shouldn't have to go search for it. (though it took only a minute)

Regardless though, that wasn't targeted at you personally, nor I understand how it even could given that it's not your quote.

You Are So Toxic

I Want To Hug You

-Efekannn02 2021

(o)
Are you schizophrenic by any chance?

(o)





What Mike is doing is bullshit, but he's Town for it.
I'm not sure I follow.

Why isn't l SJ Town too? He claimed just as Mike did, the only difference was that Mike's claim had LAMIST (Look at me, I'm so town.) attributes whilst SJ's didn't.

(o)


Looking at his last minority game, I'd say you guys are right. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...archid=3496647

If it wasn't for his meta, I would had scumleaned it.

(o)

Not universally though.
That's true depending on the player.

I agree with your read if your read is Mike being too good for the "I'm too concerned what others think of me so I over-elaborate".

I don't agree with your read if your read is Mike being too bad to predict or gamble on the above read.

I'm not viewing it as anything more than NAI tbh.

-vote superjack

You felt different the last 2 games.

(o)

Nvm, SJ is doing SJ things.

-unvote

-vote Numbertwo

That's for asking about his own alignment.

(o)


...

(o)

What was the reason for that Mike vote by you? You townread him for that post and you approve his claim.

A change of heart happened somewhere along the way?
Except you said it in past tense "I got those chills too" - so the change of heart was not regarding your "chills on Mike" since you townread him when you voted him.

Why did you vote Mike and what was the change of heart?

(o)
I'm all ears. What's the scumread on MM based on?

Jesuskannn02 Here And Today I Want To Find A Date For Magoroth

He Seems Lonely As Hell

(o)

His townread on you was a bit too naive for my taste.

You scumreading MM and townreading Mag gives the impression that you townread and scumread people based on how they read you. Please elaborate on them.

If I might be honest

I have regrets about this lol

I Finally Changed This Ugly Disgusting Profile Picture

I Demand My Common Generic Nullread Which Is Common Generic For The Common Generic Efekannn02

I Dont Even Know What You Are Up To This Time And Im Already Getting Scumreaded For Being Myself

Do You Want To Find A Date Aswell? I Can Fit You In Inside Day 2
Reservations Are Always Open


Also I Dont Like You And I Wont Counterclaim Crier

STOP QUOTING ME!

Your Guts Suck And You're Comhunting Me

Ok Time To Give My Reads A Motions And They May Or May Not Be Based On A Random Number Calculator Or Me Randomly Typing Scum And Town Each Row

Mike scum
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam town
Marshmallow Marshall scum
Oberon town
FrostByte scum
bakermir town
Numbertwo scum
SuperJack town

Mike scum
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam town
Marshmallow Marshall scum
Oberon scum
FrostByte scum
bakermir town
Numbertwo scum
SuperJack town

here
Fixed*

I WANT BLOOD

I Got A Better Idea To Spicen Up Jack's Dating

So What If We Trick Jack Put Him Inside The Pedestrial

Since All TPR Roles Are Girls We Can Make It So Everytime He Has A Chance On Dating One Of You It Has A Chance Of Blowing Up And The "TPR Claimer" To Be A Trap

So Basically Lets Trick Jack Into Dating Boys

Unfortunetaly I Wont Soft TPR Because Someone Else Would Force Me Into Dating Jack And Thats A Big No No!

Pefect

You Are A Guaranteed Girl

We Can Put You Inside Box 3
Nobody Would Open Box 3 So Jack Is Definitively Destined To Lose

(o)

Is it the same good old days when you and mag could have each had almost more posts by this point than we have now?

(o)

First there's a discussion to be had if we want to skip at all:
-Benefit is 1 less slot in the pool during LYLO/MYLO, which may or may not be a TPR.
-Drawback is having 2(potentially) days in a row where a simple misvote can cause the Mafia to hammer and win.



There's some merit to this idea. Because in the unedited setup - D2 is LYLO most of the time, with mass claims depending on the game. Which creates a mechanical PoE list. Now with this extra citizen, the same mechanical PoE list would be 1 slot more. Could ofc skip before then but that gives the Mafia an extra night to have the chance to kill off a TPR, which is not worth the risk in my opinion.



Affirmative. Neither did my vote on Numbertwo work, the system seems to ignore ball votes on and from our slot.

@Auwt do you know what's up with that?

(o)

Neat!

(o)

-vote Numbertwo

(o)

Scum scummity scum scum scum if you don't explain now why you think -skip is a good idea!

Efekannn02 The Bloodthirsty Here

so we are 8 people with 3 scums so lets go with the worst case scenarios shall we?

if we skip now and mafia kills someone we will start day 2 with 4 townies and 3 scums and if we mislynch or skip there too we lose the game (unless the mafioso manage to fail on killing someone but I totally doubt it)

If we lynch someone and mafia kills someone we will be down to 6 people with worst case scenario a townie being lynched 3 townies 3 scums bringing us down to losing the day on n1 and unable to act on day 2

I guess its far more effective to just skip the day and use the info from day 2 to lynch someone but im too bloodthirsty and want to lynch

Im just saying that skipping might be more effective on getting info

(o)
3+½ hours until EoD, and the 200 posts mark is looking distant.
This apathy..




@Mike



@Auwt how are -skip votes handled at EoD? Like when tied with some other vote or even is the top vote?

(o)

This apparent overreaction is coming from guy who:
-is notorious for disliking skip votes. Yet here he is, scumreading someone for asking someone's reasoning for voting skip. While completely ignoring the fact that no reasoning has been given upon request.
-has had nothing but worth for nothing "gut reads" thus far, yet here he is accusing someone of "not interested in forming accurate reads". The 1 slot who has worked the most to progress the game, the 1 slot who has worked the most to form accurate reads.

All this controversy. All this overreaction. Comes from a little reaction test and pressure in the form of "scum scummity scum scum scum"? Could it be that YOU are the one doing the scum painting here?

Tell me, person who usually disapproves skipping and disapproves not giving reasonings. How do you feel about Oberon not explaining his reasoning for skipping?

Speaking of which, what is your opinion on skipping? It has been discussed and asked about by over half of the slots but you have been avoiding it.

Do You Really Wanna Kill Efekannn02 On Day 1 After Months Of Not Playing?

This Sounds More Like A Comhunt Than Like A Meta/Gutread

Screw You Scum I Dont Want To Townread You For Comhunting Me On Day 1

You Could Be Probably Trying To Kill Me So Early Because Im Your Biggest Threat In The Lategame Since Im Unpredictable And Can Lynch Anything Anyone I Desire

I Know Your Plan Well "lets lynch Efekannn02 before he jeopardises the game at mylo and kills us... afterall he is a good reader"

I Wonder If You Scummies Planned It

Did The Scums Have A Night Chat Before Day 1?

Regardless I Would Still OMGUS The Crap Out Of You For Trying Ruin Jack's Dating

Holy Crap I Wasnt Even Aware I Was Typing Like This

Hurrayyy!!!!!!!!

(o)
This utter controversy of MM's character combined with that irrational reaction and targeted-read (no reason to not look at the bigger picture, ignoring what I have done and Oberon has done)

I have honestly never seen something like that from MM. Usually you can talk to him. Usually you can see him observing everything. This out of nowhere tunnel vision is out of place for a town MM.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Wtf (Efekannn02 Here)

Anyway

I Want To Find A Date For Oberon

And One For MM

(o)

Have you ever seen a knight in shining armor hang from a tree?
Buy a ticket today by voting MM. Offer ends in 2 hours.

(o)

Would you like a spank?

(o)

Host doesn't count.

(o)


Is there absolutely nobody here who plays with anything else than their gut?

"The gastrointestinal tract, is the tract from the mouth to the anus which includes all the organs of the digestive system in humans and other animals"
It means that, apart from my humble self and SJ, every read on this D1 has come from the anus out of the mouth.

Good times.

(o)

No, those would be soul reads. Good deep soul reads.

Gut reads are impulsive first feelings. No contemplation, no nothing.

(o)
Relying on PR's and skipping D1 for the 2nd game in a row.
What would people do if skipping wasn't allowed? What would people do if they played a all-vanilla game?

Honestly, we have way way more content than the previous game. This skip isn't right.

Spoiler : Day 2 :

(o)
Ehh.. who's surprised about that NK? Answer: none

I would like it everyone could give their reads and opinions on #156.

My opinion hasn't changed, and the fact that he didn't even come online afterwards - means it wasn't some reaction test or anything like that. It's pure scum painting in my book.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

(o)
But LOL - Mike successfully baited the Mafia.

(o)

LOL, gg ez.

Btw SJ, plz honor my request. I would really like your input about 156. I honestly see it as blatant scum painting.

(o)



Did someone get framed?
Fact of the matter is that only one slot could've been framed, but we have 2 claims. So one must be right no matter what.

(o)

Asking who your partner could be, when over half the players nearly didn't participate in the game D1 at all, is bad.

Assuming you're Mafia,
If you planned D2 mislynch from start of D1, by fake claiming Detective, you should have fought harder against a D1 skip because that plan would purely rely on having a D1 mislynch. Also, you could have just not done this given the D1 skip would force you to rely on a framer appeal if you wanted to survive D3.

In light of that, I can fairly conclusively say that it'd be a bad plan (or it's execution).

@Oberon
How did you decide on checking SJ, just curious.

(o)

True.

True also about the 2nd paragraph, but not when you don't show up for the rest of the day after a post like that. Like what? I would get mislynched and he would say he just pressured me or something? Screw that.

(o)

Did you read D1 fully? I'd hope I wouldn't have to copy paste my full opinions about 156 so that some lazy fool doesn't ignore them later on and reads other post out of context.

(o)
I didn't say "scum painting is scummy".
I agreed with you when you said it's not always scummy and I gave specific example of a case when it IS scummy. Don't twist my words. The only thing you "say the same as him" is about the skip.

Scum painting someone few hours before EoD, voting them, and then never coming online again. If you disagree that it's scummy, tell me how. If you disagree that it was scum painting, quote my given reasonings on D1 and tell me where you disagree.

It's referring to "scum painting" in it's purest form. It even says so.

I shouldn't have to explain everything self-explanatory.

I like SuperJack
I dont like FrostByte
I dont like Oberon
I dont like Marshmallow Marshall
I like Bakermir
I like Ozy

Those arent my reads im just saying who I like and who I dont

Also Y'all Total Nullreads For Me
SuperJack Seems To Be Acting The Towniest Out Of You Though
I Want To Policy Lynch FrostByte But Because Of The Sole Fact That I Want To Policy Lynch Him Kinda Makes Him Town Because out of my own experience the line "If you are openly anti town like crazy you should be town" is very accurate but ofcourse he could be doing that intentionally to be townread so I prefer your guys's insight on it

With the amount of lurkers I recommend trying to focus on who could be town than who could be scum because all in all this could be all just town vs town at this point I mean its Day 2 and we just got to page 6 with barely any info and all we are doing is accusing the current active players
We havent heard anything from NumberTwo and MM yet


Anywayways

I prefer not to lynch SuperJack and Frosty at all costs especially Superjack but I would still wish to lynch Frosty

Current Readlist:

Marshmallow Marshall - NAI (His play reminds me of the scummy MM alot but since I havent played for months I cant really read him... YET)
Oberon - NAI (same as MM)
FrostByte - Town (too antitown to be scum)
bakermir - NAI (I like his posts it could make him easily town in my book but he stands out too much in a sense of if he is mafia he could technically vote on anything and not get suspected on it)
Numbertwo - If he is a lurker screw you he is scum... if he forgot this game existed then im gonna townread him... if he responds to this with "Hey I actually forgot this FM existed" im gonna scumread him because he is indirectly lying and actually lurking because no one would read Efekannn02 Posts and take them serious
SuperJack - Town (SuperJack is epic and reminds me of Doctor Who)

I can imagine a MM + Magoroth team in this kind of scale knowing what they can get away with in previous games
but I would prefer to imagine one of them having a team with Bakermir or NumberTwo
Worst Case Scenario would be NumberTwo and Bakermir together

Anyway Back To Jack's Dating

Today We Have Water Bottles For Uh

Actually I Forgot But I Love Water Bottles

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It's funny that you're both correct and in either case, @Oberon - you bad.

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(This reminds me of an interesting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-vUSQMqyOo )

To get this straight, there are 3 perspectives here:

1. SJ is town and either Oberon or MM is scum.
2. Oberon is town and either SJ or MM is scum.
3. MM is town and either Oberon or SJ is scum.

For MM to be scum, it would have to be specifically the framer scenario.
For Oberon to be Scum, he'd have to be GF exactly.

Either SJ or Oberon being Scum, they'd have to go for a bad plan.

Does that about sum it up?

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Saying I'm saying that it's always scummy for him not to be on at EoD means you should pay more attention to what I'm saying. I'm talking about the specific context in the game.

Just curious, but could you elaborate on that OMGUS idea? What form of OMGUS are you thinking of? Because the purest form of OMGUS is town indicative, and I doubt you talking about this:

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Why, if you checked FB and he visited nobody, did you think he might be scum earlier in the day?

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That is NAI imo. What is Town Indicative imo is this:


That would be such a strange post for a Scum to make, imo.

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Yeah, that was my bad and I apologize. I later saw you talked about -skip and I didn't correct myself. However - that skip thing plays such a little part of my read on you, it's frankly irrelevant to me.



A quick reminder that you had full intent of lynching me for pressuring someone to give their reasoning for wanting to skip.

You say that's not what I did? Cool. Can you give some rational-looking reasoning for why you'd think that?
As I've said before, you're uncharismatically irrational there.




You mean your first impression gut reads? Ok...

I didn't try to talk to you? I was waiting until EoD for you to show up so we could have a discourse. It was you who didn't show up.
Don't you think it's funny that, given the tone and content of that post of yours and that you didn't come back, one might assume that you had a full intent of lyching me. Yet here you are saying that I didn't try to talk to you, lol. BS.
What I mean by an overreaction is you, after having nothing but a few gut reads all D1 long, comes #156. You expect me to believe you're trying to game solve there? Lol, BS.

@SuperJack

You Are Doctor Who

Lmao

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@Oberon
Have you even considered the possibility of a Framer?

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Sorry, Efe. But this is pile of horse poop.
MM and Mag to be scums together here would be just so bad, and 2 with Baker can't be together purely mechanically.

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Why not?

You are horse poop

I know MM and Mag are capable of doing scum vs scum so they can sacrifice themselves to make the other one hard town

you are right

Im sorry FrostByte

You are indeed a good guy towards me

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Truth hurts.

Its almost 3 am in the morning for me :/

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Just a quick reminder that we can afford only 1 mislynch.

None of that: "yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1"

This means Ozy ftr -->

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[SuperJack]

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE GODFATHER IS A SET ROLE

[SuperJack]

FUCKING SHITTING ME.

[SuperJack]

So there is even less chance of a framer, and a Sheriff could only find one scum slot.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Thank you for ruining any chance of discussion that can help out the scum. Very Pro-Town
You sound just like Dark Machican in the game where he was scum, all he said was super jack is scum, or you are scum with superjack. They also didnt help discussion./

Except he claims to have a red check on you? :P Not sure what is so hard to understand about that. From town!SJ's PoV, he's nearly always scum here, and you have your vote on him... yet you are calling him out on "being anti-town" and talk to him like he's town.

This is gonna be a massive shame on me if I'm wrong and you actually turn out to be town lol

[SuperJack]

So we can assume that the GF was most likely sent for the kill.