★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★

[Oberon]

They Could Have Been Hiding The Possibility That Number Two Was Actress..

nobody votes off their actress on d1

[Oberon]

or d2, whatever, same thing

[Oberon]

last time this setup was played @blinkskater was Actress and he skillfully made everyone LOSE. He was staying alive as a contingency and acting extremely aggressive in the thread so if he ever got lynched it would throw town into disarray, BUT he was never pushed my mafia, they protected him. it's bad play to kill off your actress - and before anyone says I'm helping the mafia, I'm 100% convinced the Mafia has figured this out as well if they're not idiots, and if they are, they most likely skipped my post judging by how active this game is

[Oberon]

The fact that you said out loud that you think Mike is a PR role tells me one of two things

1. You want our PR's to die

2. You're his buddy in crime.

where did he do this?

[Helz]

@Helz You can look at PNQ face value like 1st or 2nd forum mafia game and tell me this dude isn't town?

Just skimmed through his ISO and he does look town. This would be his most AI post:

My choice of Varcron is based on not a whole lot of contribution, he even said
"I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate"
--> indeed, how can we scumread if there's not much to read there?
I can see Maf being relaxed and mainly asking silly questions (as he did D1), not a whole lot of substance.

Not a fan of this statement either
"IDK what Ren is currently, null read, but i'm your bog standard townie."

I feel OK with a rather random lynch, 5/12 odds from where I sit, plus I feel like I can rule out some townies, which brings it closer to 50/50. Stir it up, create some votes, that will give us more clues later in the game based on what happens here. E.g., if he flips scum, we'll know who tried to deflect. If flips town, I will be sad, but should still be able to work through the voting patterns for those of us still alive this weekend when we might have more time to analyze (I am doing this while working FT).

ANd lastly, this late in the day, it's time to pick someone whom town might actually get enough votes on (instead of allowing Mafia to run it with up to 3 votes of their own).

He looks town. Given his experience a Mafia flip on Varcon would reasonably clear him from being Mafia. Given they had no day chat there is no potential for Coaching/puppet show for this post to be a buss. I would also doubt given his experience a scum PQrnHack using enough WIFOM for his FOS here.

[Oberon]

What is "the Mod"?

the sc2 arcade game

[Helz]

last time this setup was played @blinkskater was Actress and he skillfully made everyone LOSE. He was staying alive as a contingency and acting extremely aggressive in the thread so if he ever got lynched it would throw town into disarray, BUT he was never pushed my mafia, they protected him. it's bad play to kill off your actress - and before anyone says I'm helping the mafia, I'm 100% convinced the Mafia has figured this out as well if they're not idiots, and if they are, they most likely skipped my post judging by how active this game is

Given the game state I really don't think actress matters. We are probably playing this one without night peeks until the end.

[Oberon]

u tryin to catch a predator or a scum?

this is going in my signature

[Oberon]

Given the game state I really don't think actress matters. We are probably playing this one without night peeks until the end.

still shows up as town when it's not though

[Oberon]

still shows up as town when it's not though

on flip, not to investigatives

[Helz]

On Blink

His town read on PQrnHack has a consistent thought process and he shows a pleasant amount of townie paranoia. I particularly liked his #297 "I also despise the fact that mike calls me a top town read, for doing absolutely nothing." pushing back against Mike handing him easy town credit. He is actively clearing players and his voiced confidence always feels in line with his reasoning.

I am more comfortable with his slot after reading through

Spoiler : Not game related :

son of a mother fucker i just died in d2 hardcore, lvl 74 sorc in hell FUCK

Not game related but 2 weeks back I lost a maxed monk on Diablo 3.

[Helz]

still shows up as town when it's not though

Yes. When invests look at it. I am playing with the assumption that we will never get useful invest feedback.

[Oberon]

Yes. When invests look at it. I am playing with the assumption that we will never get useful invest feedback.

Yes, but actress shows up as town on flip, if they get lynched, AFAIK. So it would affect us even in the absence of investigative peeks

[Helz]

Just to be a little more clear on Mike/Blink

Right now theres 11 players. Thats 3 Mafia, 2 neutral, 6 Town. Every single day the Mafia kills a town we will have to lynch a non-town or loose the Majority. That means we either lynch perfectly and dont get screwed by a lover or heartbreaker for the rest of the game or we trust a neutral.

Many people have voiced a town read on Blink and I town lean him. For setup balance I also feel that mikes guardian target should be a town.

So as a town we should treat Mike as if he were town. Doing so raises our numbers to 6/3/1. Lover can be useful to the town either way. If they are on a town player they will play for the town while if they are on a scum player their death kills a scum. In this situation assuming we take in Mike it puts the town in a better position for surviving and could give us that 1 more vote which will be critical if a heartbreaker kill snags a townie.

I always hate trusting a Neutral but given that Mike has already been playing town sided this game I would advocate for town players to focus down their read on Blink and if they accept him as town also accept Mike as town. We really need him.

[Helz]

Yes, but actress shows up as town on flip, if they get lynched, AFAIK. So it would affect us even in the absence of investigative peeks

Solid point. I had not considered that.

It would be a wonderful world if our NumberTwo lynch was actually on Mafia..

[Helz]

Light_Yag- Derp Town
Bakermir- Slip Town
PQnHack- Town Lean
Blinkskater- Town Lean
Mike- Town sided Neutral

From my PoE that leaves 4/5 non town in Superjack, Frostbyte, Renegade, Varcon and Oberon

[SuperJack]

Is there a reason for your increase in content and activity today?

[SuperJack]

Also do not use my real life issues as a possible reason to claim I'm town.
What goes on in my real life should not be used as data too calculate my alignment.

I will state that I have been deeply researching a financial situation I'm in that has put me in a very unlucky situation. Which has meant less time for here.

But do not go easy on me because of it.

I will be in for hopefully the last few hours. We need to figure out who would of wanted to kill Number 2, and compare it to MM and see if there are any similarities. I believe I pulled up 4 names for MM. Auwt still is my primary concern.

[SuperJack]

Have there been any prays today?

[SuperJack]

I'll be around again in an hour.

[Helz]

Is there a reason for your increase in content and activity today?

Yes

I was planning on just using mechanical analysis and messing with some fancy stuff for this game but the game has not taken off like I needed it to. Kinda figured that either I be selfish and stick to my plan so I can force myself to improve as a player or I just revert to my analysis crutches and start doing my normal thing. With the game state as it is there is potential for today to drastically change the towns chances of winning.

Also I see the potential town leaders as You and Mike and I don't trust either of you enough to just chill.

Have there been any prays today?

Nobody has claimed any sort of feedback.

[Mike]

Because our main investigative role is forever roleblocked from a D1 claim? >.>

Well not 100% I received noght feed back. A Caroler sang a song to me last night. It mentioned Superjack, Varcron and Renegade. At least one of which is not town.

[Mike]

For game balance and the fact no carols have been claimed its unlikely we have both a list maker and a caroler. This means the other TPR is an Ornamentalist. From your 'claim' as well as your statements yesterday and the fact you are alive you are role blocked. If you actually have feedback to provide or want to clarify RB feel free but I am confident I correct in my assumptions.

I was carroled to last night.

[Mike]

When Did Mike Claim Angel Did I Miss Something?

Nope I never claimed that role.

[Mike]

What If I Told You Angel Revealed Day 1?

We get it you are the angel

[Helz]

Well not 100% I received noght feed back. A Caroler sang a song to me last night. It mentioned Superjack, Varcron and Renegade. At least one of which is not town.

Well that either means my PoE is bad or you are lying.

[Helz]

Well that either means my PoE is bad or you are lying.

Caroler
You are a patron of the Holiday Party, full of cheer.
Each night you may visit and sing a song to another player.
This song will contain three names and at least one of them will be a non-town player.
If your target is visiting someone at night, they will not receive the carol.
You will not learn the names in the carol.
You may not carol the same person consecutively.
Q: How exactly is a carol created?
A: 1. Randomly pick one of eligible 'non-town players' (Mafia + Angel/Lover) then pick two random players from everyone who was alive the night of the carol. A player's name can still appear in a carol if they're dead, as long as they were killed that same night the carol was created. A player's name cannot appear twice.

Nevermind. I thought it had to be exactly 2 town 1 scum in a carol

[blinkskater]

Solid point. I had not considered that.

It would be a wonderful world if our NumberTwo lynch was actually on Mafia..

I highly doubt #2 was actress, there were no theatrics leading up to it and he contributed very little. To think he is actress would be a super stretch.

Kira as already hard claimed guardian angel which helz seems to convieniently ignore. If there is an actress in this game I would lean heavily towards helz or bakermir. Helz because his play kind of goes into the lines of what Oberon has said about my previous actress game last time this setup was ran. Bakeermir because of his "blame me sure" if he got his Oberon lynch to go through and Oberon were to flip town.

The fact that helz is also bringing light into the situation that "Mike" is my guardian Angel after Yagami has hard claimed it. Painting very clearly who you think the angels target is IMO is a scummy agenda.

Did I mention he's also conveniently ignoring my call for a mass claim?

[Mike]

Do you still stand by your soft claim first post?

No he is now claiming angel lol

[Helz]

I highly doubt #2 was actress, there were no theatrics leading up to it and he contributed very little. To think he is actress would be a super stretch.

Kira as already hard claimed guardian angel which helz seems to convieniently ignore. If there is an actress in this game I would lean heavily towards helz or bakermir. Helz because his play kind of goes into the lines of what Oberon has said about my previous actress game last time this setup was ran. Bakeermir because of his "blame me sure" if he got his Oberon lynch to go through and Oberon were to flip town.

The fact that helz is also bringing light into the situation that "Mike" is my guardian Angel after Yagami has hard claimed it. Painting very clearly who you think the angels target is IMO is a scummy agenda.

Did I mention he's also conveniently ignoring my call for a mass claim?

Well your idea for a mass claim with a living protective is dumb if I forgot to say it earlier. I would advocate against players claiming because even if you are a citizen your limiting the pool the Mafia will shoot out of.

Also, I am not touching on my thoughts of Kira's angel claim until Mike responds a good bit.

[Mike]

Well Now Everyone Knows Thanks A Lot..

Roflol everyoen already knew

[blinkskater]

I can honestly see Mike being actress now also after the caroler claim because that's EXACTLY what I claimed : P

[Mike]

People can read It's kind of obvious, scum will come for us now for the DBL kill tbh.

Does not work like that if he dies you don’t blink no double kill.

[blinkskater]

Well your idea for a mass claim with a living protective is dumb if I forgot to say it earlier. I would advocate against players claiming because even if you are a citizen your limiting the pool the Mafia will shoot out of.

Also, I am not touching on my thoughts of Kira's angel claim until Mike responds a good bit.

Bruh like our "protective" is even doing anything with his night actions town is dieing and the scum team is easily navigating around the protective. He could also be dead already (AUWT) what you are suggesting is moot.

Claiming is what we need here it forces scum to act, and that's what we currently need at the moment IMO.

[blinkskater]

You said it yourself @Helz you didn't expect anything out of our "investigatives" so what is the point of having a doctor around who scum can easily navigate around?

[blinkskater]

GRAB YOUR BALLS AND MAKE YOUR CLAIM SCUM

[Mike]

Well that either means my PoE is bad or you are lying.

Let’s put it this way I will put my hand on the Bible that is 100% true. And if you know me I would never lie about that no matter alignment or game.

[Helz]

Bruh like our "protective" is even doing anything with his night actions town is dieing and the scum team is easily navigating around the protective. He could also be dead already (AUWT) what you are suggesting is moot.

Claiming is what we need here it forces scum to act, and that's what we currently need at the moment IMO.

You said it yourself @Helz you didn't expect anything out of our "investigatives" so what is the point of having a doctor around who scum can easily navigate around?

Well for one thing claiming will do absolutely nothing to help us game solve because scum can lie and we can not verify. The only half ass confirmable thing would be a caroler claiming to have visited Mike (and its every bit as likely for the NK on Auwt to have been a TPR revealed to a Mafia Mike who's team mate will then reveal as the caroler to push 2 mafia out of the lynch pool. I would honestly find this more likely given 2 days of no Carol feedback)

Secondly the fact a doc has not succeeded yet means nothing. Unless Auwt was the Doc there is still a chance of him blocking a night kill which would be absolutely critical given the gamestate. 1 vote is a really big deal the way things are right now.

Third we have at least 1 if not 2 TPR alive who can invest. If they have info and choose not to reveal it that is their decision.

Your mass claim idea is terrible in my opinion and will just give the mafia a roadmap for their kills while providing nothing of value for the town to use to help guide a more successful lynch.

[bakermir]

I don't like the mass roleclaim and I don't like oberon's omgus


Only thing we needed revealing today was carol and nothing else.

[bakermir]

good fuckin job town

[blinkskater]

Well for one thing claiming will do absolutely nothing to help us game solve because scum can lie and we can not verify. The only half ass confirmable thing would be a caroler claiming to have visited Mike (and its every bit as likely for the NK on Auwt to have been a TPR revealed to a Mafia Mike who's team mate will then reveal as the caroler to push 2 mafia out of the lynch pool. I would honestly find this more likely given 2 days of no Carol feedback)

Secondly the fact a doc has not succeeded yet means nothing. Unless Auwt was the Doc there is still a chance of him blocking a night kill which would be absolutely critical given the gamestate. 1 vote is a really big deal the way things are right now.

Third we have at least 1 if not 2 TPR alive who can invest. If they have info and choose not to reveal it that is their decision.

Your mass claim idea is terrible in my opinion and will just give the mafia a roadmap for their kills while providing nothing of value for the town to use to help guide a more successful lynch.

die scum

[Helz]

Let’s put it this way I will put my hand on the Bible that is 100% true. And if you know me I would never lie about that no matter alignment or game.

My issue is that I do not think you are town.

Even if you wouldn't put your hand on the bible and say something untrue that doesn't mean you wouldn't say you would. I also consider the fact that Mafia is not a game that can be played without lying. I really dont feel comfortable going more into the hand on the bible aspects given how quickly that could go sideways.

[Mike]

I can honestly see Mike being actress now also after the caroler claim because that's EXACTLY what I claimed : P

Blink I get you Sus of me for town reading you you need to push past that and see I am town here. I do have good reads on you you know this. Dude I don’t ever just give you free town reads I try and pocket you again you know this. The carol feedback I received last night is true. I can only assume the carrol feedback N1 went to MM. but I can confirm we have a that role in game. Also I am not the angel and never trying to claim that. Awut kept tagging me as neutral. Now helz is doing the same. Not scummy just wrong. I am holiday patron simple VT I do not want town to be misinformed. So one or more of the 3 in that list is mafia.

[blinkskater]

good fuckin job town

[Oberon]

Is there a reason for your increase in content and activity today?

who are you talking to binch

[Oberon]

also mass claim is horrible no thanks

[blinkskater]

who are you talking to binch

1v1 me your role you swine

[bakermir]

Well your idea for a mass claim with a living protective is dumb if I forgot to say it earlier. I would advocate against players claiming because even if you are a citizen your limiting the pool the Mafia will shoot out of.

Also, I am not touching on my thoughts of Kira's angel claim until Mike responds a good bit.

pretty much where I am at


fuck all the people claiming patron. blink and yagami already claimed the same roles d1 and d2 why do they just echo it on d3 and try to get roles out this was quite scummy coming from them

[Mike]

Repeating

I received noght feed back. A Caroler sang a song to me last night. It mentioned Superjack, Varcron and Renegade. At least one of which is not town.

One or more is 100% Mafia.

Town do not let mafia save there team here with WIFOM or misinformation. This is 100% facts.

[SuperJack]

Wait how many Carols have been delivered and who received them?