S-FM 319: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

[MartinGG99]

Tough call.

I would have to say DM, but that's only because I like you better.

I'm somewhat doubtful that DM is scum because I don't really feel pinged by him at all; back in the last ?krc anon game I gut-read him and called him out as scum on D3, though that lynch didn't happen fact was I was correct on him.

Obviously, that was a wacky anon thing so thing were probably different back then but I felt that he had more of an information-gathering style to him so he could position well based on reads or something like that.

(If you're interested, the ISO for that game for him is here)

I'll probably check to see if he has any scum-games anywhere else and see if there's any good noticeable differences or similarities.

Oh wait I misread the question as saying have to choose LOL

[MartinGG99]

Anyways, I suspect:

Auwt
Mesk514
Frinckles

Not that I think they are indeed scummy, but I do feel suspicious of them // they're on my radar.

Also I need to look into Yzb25 more tbh.

[MartinGG99]

Anyways, I suspect:

Auwt
Mesk514
Frinckles

Not that I think they are indeed scummy, but I do feel suspicious of them // they're on my radar.

Also I need to look into Yzb25 more tbh.

I should note that the person I plan to check on n1 is within that group of 4 players that I mentioned.

[Mesk514]

I should note that the person I plan to check on n1 is within that group of 4 players that I mentioned.

Check me to make my life easier

[Dark Magician]

Anyways, I suspect:

Auwt
Mesk514
Frinckles

Not that I think they are indeed scummy, but I do feel suspicious of them // they're on my radar.

Also I need to look into Yzb25 more tbh.

Nice.
Your scum sided as you listed all except for the scum.

[Dark Magician]

Yeah this flipless game is dumb.

[Dark Magician]

If people are smart they will realize that my solve is correct.
I gave my 3 possible solves one of which is correct.
Cya Guys, GL.

[Dark Magician]

Just before I say goodbye.

MM/Matt/Mesk/Rene

Only within there and it’s instant win.
If game still continues, probably look at Frinckles.

[Frinckles]

Yeah this flipless game is dumb.

Wait this game isn't flipless..?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait do illuminati know they're illuminati

Do I buy this derpclear?
hmmmm......
Yesn't. I like it, but it doesn't mean you're not mafia, and it doesn't mean you can't fake it (although I doubt you would tbh). Still waiting on your DM read, Frinckles.

Yes.
Don’t worry, it’s your bud not you.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait this game isn't flipless..?

DOUBLE derp?? XD

Illuminati flip as their non-Illuminati counterparts.

Also, insulting such a setup is heresy. If you don't like it, don't sign, and at the very least try to play the game when you've signed for it. "I won't case you because I can't be bothered" is not only disrespectful to the players, but scummy, and I am starting to think you're playing on the "lazy" part of your character to manipulate those who think you're a lazy town. You're running out of "bad town scumhunter" credits, and I'm starting to feel like I should sheep Mattzed against you if noone gets scummier than you (and the more you play like this, the harder it becomes to become scummier than you). You didn't even quote what you claimed to be a perspective illuminati slip from Mattzed (how convenient, you can't find the only thing that would have been actual matter to scumread him lol). @Dark Magician

[Mike]

Dark Magician has been replaced out Due to this. And him haveing a vote in play I am forced to reset the votes. Welcome SB16 who is now filling DM slot.

Dark Magician is now @Stealthbomber16 and all posts will be for DM slot.

[Stealthbomber16]

WHAT THE FUCK IS UP

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Does anyone actually believe that Mr. Worldbuilder missed the fact that EVERY ILLUMINATI ROLECARD says they don't flip as Illuminati?

...I sort of do. I honestly had missed it in my first reads of your setup years ago, I only realized it when I checked it to add it to the Ladder. It's not super obvious in the setup, even though it indeed is repeated many times. Anyway, this doesn't clear Frinckles from being Mafia in a no illuminati world, and this doesn't even completely clear him from being Illuminati anyway since he could fake it, so it doesn't change too much. Still though, if we somehow know there are illuminati at some point, I'd say it looks good for Frinckles.

Or,

They need more hosts who know how to create them are willing to create ISO links in the OP.

Auwt
Renegade
MartinGG99
Mesk514
Auwt
Marshmallow Marshall
Frinckles
MattZed
Dark Magician

Sorted by reverse post-count as of 8:45 EST.

Wait, DARK MAGICIAN is the top poster?

What the fuck

Waaait, you actually managed to get the individual ISO links as stable links that don't die instantly? I never could. Do you go through the "section > click on the number of posts next to "replies" associated to the thread > click on the number associated to the player's name" process to get those, or did you find another way?

And yes, DM being the top poster is the living proof of the fact post count =/= quality content amount. I'd say the same applies to Frinckles, who's rather high in post count but really didn't significantly address anything but your neutral claim.

[Stealthbomber16]

Aight fuckers I’ve been reading but I haven’t been able to comprehend any of the spaghetti garbage I’ve read up to this point. Someone said I claimed cit, is that right? Martin is the neutral? What else has happened?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

LOL WHAT

Okay, reset all of this stuff about DM, I'm letting SB catch up and speak. I'm giving the slot the benefit of the doubt.

-vote Frinckles

Placing my vote back here due to vote reset; I still want to hear Frinckles' reads, especially the one he has on DM's slot (due to DM's actions).

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Aight fuckers I’ve been reading but I haven’t been able to comprehend any of the spaghetti garbage I’ve read up to this point. Someone said I claimed cit, is that right? Martin is the neutral? What else has happened?

You have claimed illuminati citizen and tried to help us kill the mafia. Anything to say?

And yes, Martin claimed neutral, and we've (hopefully) managed to convince him not to recant his theories N1 for everyone's sake including his own lol.

[Mesk514]

Hi Stealthbomber

[Stealthbomber16]

I’ll have to reread the setup again but I know there’s a 50% chance we’re in a normal game so I intend to treat this as a normal game.

[Stealthbomber16]

You have claimed illuminati citizen and tried to help us kill the mafia. Anything to say?

And yes, Martin claimed neutral, and we've (hopefully) managed to convince him not to recant his theories N1 for everyone's sake including his own lol.

Where the fuck did this idiot claim illuminati

[Stealthbomber16]

Hi Mesk

[Frinckles]

DOUBLE derp?? XD

Illuminati flip as their non-Illuminati counterparts.

Also, insulting such a setup is heresy. If you don't like it, don't sign, and at the very least try to play the game when you've signed for it. "I won't case you because I can't be bothered" is not only disrespectful to the players, but scummy, and I am starting to think you're playing on the "lazy" part of your character to manipulate those who think you're a lazy town. You're running out of "bad town scumhunter" credits, and I'm starting to feel like I should sheep Mattzed against you if noone gets scummier than you (and the more you play like this, the harder it becomes to become scummier than you). You didn't even quote what you claimed to be a perspective illuminati slip from Mattzed (how convenient, you can't find the only thing that would have been actual matter to scumread him lol). @Dark Magician

I know there are flips but I didn't know what he meant.

[Stealthbomber16]

Ok so I came to a conclusion.
Well, a game solve.

Illuminati does indeed exist.

There a 3 Possibilities of what scum rolled this game.


Possibility 1:
Frinckles/Renegade Mafia with Rene Illuminati
MM Illuminati
Matt Illuminati

Possibility 2:
MM/Matt Mafia with Matt as Illuminati.
Frinckles/Rene Masons with Rene as Illuminati
Mesk is last Illuminati

Possibility 3:
Frinckles/Rene Mafia with Rene as Illuminati
MM/Matt Masons with Matt as Illuminati
Mesk is last Illuminati

I don’t agree with any of these scenarios. As far as I can tell Matt hasn’t been particularly scummy. I’m pretty good at telling when someone is scumpainting me and since I am now DM I have absorbed all of his posts via mitosis.

[Stealthbomber16]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I'ma leaving this here. I feel like there's a scum in marsh/matt and one is pocketing the other. Matt had some bleeding town moments that give me pause for him rn. So I'ma see what happens if I do dis

Can you show me an example of this happening

[Stealthbomber16]

Can you show me an example of this happening

@yzb25

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I don’t agree with any of these scenarios. As far as I can tell Matt hasn’t been particularly scummy. I’m pretty good at telling when someone is scumpainting me and since I am now DM I have absorbed all of his posts via mitosis.

Oh well, you've already read too much for me to pull the play. DM never claimed illuminati, just normal citizen xD. I love how you actually thought it was possible it had happened, though... and uh, not sure how to read that past the fact it's funny

As for your post, yea tbh just treat this game as if you were a normal sign with you as a "flipped [your role]" and give us your thoughts please.

[Stealthbomber16]

I take back what I said about you being insincere in suspecting DM.

Completely contradictory to what I said earlier this post isn’t good because renegade voting DM there looked really forced.

I’m going to review renegade again because he always looks scummy as fuck to me but I’m getting really bad vibes from him

[Stealthbomber16]

Oh well, you've already read too much for me to pull the play. DM never claimed illuminati, just normal citizen xD. I love how you actually thought it was possible it had happened, though... and uh, not sure how to read that past the fact it's funny

As for your post, yea tbh just treat this game as if you were a normal sign with you as a "flipped [your role]" and give us your thoughts please.

Being funny is my overarching motivation, MM. Jester is my role in real life.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Completely contradictory to what I said earlier this post isn’t good because renegade voting DM there looked really forced.

I’m going to review renegade again because he always looks scummy as fuck to me but I’m getting really bad vibes from him

Really? I have the completely opposite thought process and relate to Mattzed's (or at least what I assume to be mattzed's): getting convinced by your own words to place a vote and splitting it in two posts like this is indicative of either a very deep and specific fake that most people won't even notice or indicative of a genuine townie thinking their post made logical sense and who literally got convinced by it. The latter is much more likely, since it's a natural thing that happens to townies (at least it happens to me sometimes when I'm town), while the former is a really weird thing to think about (and I strongly doubt Renegade would go that far in needlessly sophisticated scum plays).

[Renegade]

Dark Magician has been replaced out Due to this. And him haveing a vote in play I am forced to reset the votes. Welcome SB16 who is now filling DM slot.

Dark Magician is now @Stealthbomber16 and all posts will be for DM slot.

due to what??

[Marshmallow Marshall]

due to what??

I think he meant "due to [his replacement] and him having placed a vote, I'm forced to reset the votes". Perhaps I'm wrong tho.

[Stealthbomber16]

Really? I have the completely opposite thought process and relate to Mattzed's (or at least what I assume to be mattzed's): getting convinced by your own words to place a vote and splitting it in two posts like this is indicative of either a very deep and specific fake that most people won't even notice or indicative of a genuine townie thinking their post made logical sense and who literally got convinced by it. The latter is much more likely, since it's a natural thing that happens to townies (at least it happens to me sometimes when I'm town), while the former is a really weird thing to think about (and I strongly doubt Renegade would go that far in needlessly sophisticated scum plays).

I’m trying not to meta right now because if I meta then DM is objectively the strongest town read here just based on the fact that he claimed citizen and replaced out. Obviously that doesn’t help me here because I already know I’m green citizen.

The double post strategy is really not an advanced mechanic or even a “strategy” and it’s very easy to fake something like that. I’ve done it multiple times as scum.

[Stealthbomber16]

due to what??

standard Mike grammar move on

[Mesk514]

Stealth, I will be home in a few if you wanna have a conversation

[Stealthbomber16]

Stealth, I will be home in a few if you wanna have a conversation

I’m trying to get an actual sleep schedule going so don’t take too long.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I’m trying not to meta right now because if I meta then DM is objectively the strongest town read here just based on the fact that he claimed citizen and replaced out. Obviously that doesn’t help me here because I already know I’m green citizen.

The double post strategy is really not an advanced mechanic or even a “strategy” and it’s very easy to fake something like that. I’ve done it multiple times as scum.

Uh, ok. You're a strange person if you really think about faking things like that as scum imo, but then I guess I can understand your point of view. I still don't share it, though.

standard Mike grammar move on

Hey, have you seen his avatar? This is the Queen's English you're talking about. Case in point.
<3 mike lol

[Stealthbomber16]

Uh, ok. You're a strange person if you really think about faking things like that as scum imo, but then I guess I can understand your point of view. I still don't share it, though.


Hey, have you seen his avatar? This is the Queen's English you're talking about. Case in point.
<3 mike lol

Oh I don’t think about it as scum. I don’t think about it as town either. My point is that a double post like that is completely NAI.

We love Mike <3

[Mike]

due to what??

I have no clue. He did not tell me. That is why I did not finish why. So know this I am Mod and I don’t even have a clue as to why so don’t angle shoot as to why. This is not directed to Rene this is directed to everyoen in game.

[Renegade]

I think he meant "due to [his replacement] and him having placed a vote, I'm forced to reset the votes". Perhaps I'm wrong tho.

Yeah I see that now. You know correct punctuation goes a long way Mike

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh I don’t think about it as scum. I don’t think about it as town either. My point is that a double post like that is completely NAI.

We love Mike <3

I mean, any double post in a vacuum is absolutely NAI, but in the context of Mattzed trying to convince people DM is scum and of Renegade making a post conceding he's getting scummy, saying his post convinced himself in a separate post is showing a natural progression. What I'm townreading isn't the doublepost itself, it's what it contains and in which context it was posted.

[Renegade]

I have no clue. He did not tell me. That is why I did not finish why. So know this I am Mod and I don’t even have a clue as to why so don’t angle shoot as to why. This is not directed to Rene this is directed to everyoen in game.

I reread the sentence. Due to his placing out.... not He is placing out due to this..

Big difference. NVM me

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah I see that now. You know correct punctuation goes a long way Mike

I suggest we move forward from this xD.

What do you think of Mesk and Auwt, btw? Sorry if you have already said it, it's possible I missed it (tbh, I don't have a strong memory of most of your posts, just of a few of them).

[Mesk514]

I’m trying to get an actual sleep schedule going so don’t take too long.

I'm here. hello

[Mesk514]

I'm here. hello

are you a real citizen?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

are you a real citizen?

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT TO BREAK THE TINY BIT OF WIFOM LEFT
reeee lol

[MattZed]

I... instinctively trust that SB is telling the truth. I like MM's test, but then again I recall a pre-retirement game where scum won because someone had a very specific roleclaim on the spot. (@Mesk514, I think we were in that game, and that scum may have been you)


As much as I had a hard scumread on DM, I think the best play at this point is to have Martin check Stealth tonight. I was suspecting DM being more likely Illuminati than Mafia, and I'd really like to find out. We can resolve his slot D2.

[Stealthbomber16]

are you a real citizen?

I’ve already reinforced this claim earlier. Yes. I’m a citizen.

[Mesk514]

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT TO BREAK THE TINY BIT OF WIFOM LEFT
reeee lol

I mean, if he is... then there's no reason to vote him, duh

[Mesk514]

I’ve already reinforced this claim earlier. Yes. I’m a citizen.

well there ya go, no reason to vote ya. good convo

-vote MattZed

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I... instinctively trust that SB is telling the truth. I like MM's test, but then again I recall a pre-retirement game where scum won because someone had a very specific roleclaim on the spot. (@Mesk514, I think we were in that game, and that scum may have been you)


As much as I had a hard scumread on DM, I think the best play at this point is to have Martin check Stealth tonight. I was suspecting DM being more likely Illuminati than Mafia, and I'd really like to find out. We can resolve his slot D2.

I fully support this course of action and agree with the check, either on Stealth or on Mesk.
And yea there's nothing extremely conclusive, but Stealth already makes more sense (both logic-wise and town-PoV-wise) than his previous slot owner, so... let's give it a run lol.