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    Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    Account Name: Chumbawamba
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-352063
    In-Game Name: Rapist

    Crimes Committed: Inciting a leave train

    Your Account Name: kildja
    Summary: Player in question rolled vet. Kills 2 townsfolk and is basically confirmed by one of their lws. Asks town to pm, only one does. Tries to get town to vote up sus person. No one does. Threatens to leave, does leave and most of the town also leaves with him that night.

    Chumbawamba - Leave Train.SC2Replay
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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    1-S2-1-352063 is Correct.


    Respective Hotkey:

    2

    Previous Offenses:

    None.

    Key Points:
    Players in question:

    Chumbawumba - "Rapist" - VETERAN - 4

    Game:


    Setup: Some general insult slinging and toxic chat about the sluggish start. 13 players in game, two must've dropped during load because nobody was removed due to nuclear.
    Names: "Rapist" is selected as a name by Chumbawumba. I don't actually feel this is appropriate and am going to class as name abuse.
    Roles: None.
    D1: Some chat.
    N1: 4 (VETERAN) stays on alert. The crier says "No" 5 times (there is no JUDGE) and is WITCHED onto the VETERAN. 4 is visited twice and neutralizes both. Kills: VETERAN x2, MAFIA.
    D2: 8 (CRIER), 9 (BODYGUARD), and 2 (WITCH) are all dead. 10 quits during the kill reveals. 9's LW indicates he visited 4, and there's not enough room for a second WITCH, so 4 is reasonably confirmed at this point. 4 talks about raping people. He asks for PMs of roles and LWs. His sole answer is from 11 who claims DOCTOR. 4 asks for a trial on 6, saying 5 must be JESTER (impossible, there's no spawn for it). 12 demands a trial on 4 for "Being a rapist". 4 indicates intent to leave if 5 isn't put on trial. Given there's 4 scum and 9 players alive, even one AFK will ruin the game here. Roles alive: ARMORSMITH, VETERAN, DOCTOR, STREET RACER, and INVESTIGATOR oppose a GODFATHER, BLACKMAILER, and BEGUILER, with a lurking POISONER. Scum are probably trying to run out the clock, which is at 15 seconds to day end. ELO for town, although as the POISONER poisoned 2, he won't notch a kill tonight. 5 having voted 4 is what sparked 4's ire (And 5 is the BEGUILER, so decent play on his part.) Day ends with no execution and 4 leaves, pushing the game 4 town to 4 scum, thus dooming town after the night phase. That said, town was probably already going to lose assuming SCUM cohesed in any way. Him leaving just nails the coffin shut.
    N2: 11, 13, and 1 read the writing on the wall and quit. Kills: MAFIA, LEAVER, LEAVER, LEAVER, LEAVER, LEAVER.
    D3: 1 (GODFATHER), 11 (DOCTOR), 4, 3 (ARMORSMITH), 10 (DETECTIVE), and 13 (STREET RACER) are all dead. An INVESTIGATOR opposes a BEGUILER, BLACKMAILER, and POISONER. The BLACKMAILER is POISONED. Votes start with basically no discussion. Votes start on 6, who calls that he's last TOWN, and the MAFIA should 'take the risk.' The worm turns and 12 is put on trial by a TOWN/MAFIA alliance. 12 claims "Whitemailed" and he goes down 2-1, with 6 voting to release. Flip is INVESTIGATOR. As the POISONER can block one attack and hasn't already, this basically assures 6's win. 6 and 13 trashtalk during the execution with nasty talk.
    N3: 12 poisons 7 again, and sets in a SUICIDE. 7 converts from BLACKMAILER to MAFIOSO, and heads to kill 6. 6 blocks the attack as per his one-time auto-immunity, and 7 dies from the prior night's POISON. Then 6 kills himself. Kills: POISONER, SUICIDE.
    D4: 7 (MAFIOSO) and 6 (POISONER) are dead. A lone BEGUILER claims victory for the MAFIA.

    Was the game result altered?
    I'm going to say no here. With the day over and MAFIA knowing the VETERAN'S location, as well as their inability to kill the POISONER that night, him leaving didn't actually doom town. Town's inaction on Day 2 did, along with the setup spawning 5 SCUM against a mere 8 TOWN and 10 leaving early D2 to turn it into a 5/4.

    Player Offenses:

    Name abuse

    Recommended Actions:

    2x WL

    Additional Notes:
    As he didn't seal town's fate, I'm not going to go for the leavetrain charge here.

    Thank you for the report!
    Last edited by Arrow; February 23rd, 2023 at 10:36 AM.

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    I am not authorized to post an appeal to the thread, so I will post it here. I have read the rules of the appeal and understand that filing a frivolous appeal can lead to double trouble.

    Before I appeal to the name abuse offense given to me by Arrow, I would like to make a statement in regards to the original appeal written by Kildja. I understand that I am supposed to respond to Arrow's response, but I think it is important to outline how Kildja's appeal is frivolous and should be considered as such.
    As Arrow points out, the game started with 13 people, which already makes it an absurd game. Right after the game started, someone else also quit randomly right off the bat, making it even more silly from the get go. On Day 2, I tried my best to organize the town to kill the poisoner, but it was very obvious that at least one town was afk. Upon looking at the replay, you can see that ballsoup was in fact afk until the last few seconds of day 2, barely making it back before the game killed him off. The game was impossible to win for town at that point. I am not going to stay in a game like that just to watch mafia and a poisoner kill everyone while I just have to sort of sit there for 20 minutes with no win possible. The world does not revolve around Kildja, and although it may have ruined his fun, the game was ruined for everyone else right at the get go. Kildja needs to learn that other people live on this planet, and that the solar system revolves around the sun, not him. This is a frivolous report, and it should be considered to be as such.

    In regards to the name abuse offense, I will now defend why the name "rapist" should not be considered name abuse
    1) This had nothing to do with the original scope of the complaint. The complaint was about a supposed "leave train", not any kind of name abuse.
    2) Asari calls someone a C*** before any names are even put in. C*** is a derogatory word and could easily be viewed as offensive. If Arrow is going to punish people for things outside of the scope of the original complaint, he should do so equally and uniformly for all people in the replay.
    3) DeadTeddy (Este), calls me a rapist on day 1, which is fitting considering what my name was. However, after I leave the game, he says "Rape me like one of your french girls". Again, if Arrow is going to go outside the scope of the original complaint, he should do so equally and uniformly.
    4) This is a game that deals in extremely morbid and mature themes. There are Serial Killers, Mass Murderers, and Kidnappers. Serial Killers, in real life, are almost always motivated by some sick sexual deviancy. Every Serial Killer that I have ever heard of is also a rapist. When the SK kills someone, a text comes up that says something like "You hear the terrified screams...". That is an extremely triggering statement in it of itself. Kidnapping people, is also an extremely triggering idea. The mass murderers kill text of "They appear to be an unrecognizable pile of gore.." (Or something like that), is extremely morbid. This is not a game that should be played by anyone under 18. Rape is a disgusting act, we can all agree to that, but there are a lot of extremely mature, morbid, and disgusting things that just happen in this game normally.
    5) I was clearly not trying to be offensive, and no one seemed to take offense (considering it wasn't a part of the original complaint). I thought it would be funny if I randomly got escort or the Triad/Maf escort role and had that name. The escort role, and the Triad / Maf escort roles, give off a rapey vibe anyway. I did not choose a name like "I rape kids" or something involving children, it was simply Rapist. I understand "Rapist" can be a triggering word, but so can "Lynch", "Serial Killer", Kidnapper", etc. Where does the line get drawn, and are we all so desensitized to Serial Killers and Kidnappers that we just forgot about how messed up and morbid those two things actually are? This is not a game for kids, the word "rapist" is not something that should be punished, especially not when someone wasnt even mad about it to begin with.

    I hope you consider my appeal, and I hope you consider clarifying that Kildja's original complaint was frivolous. Thanks

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    So apart from the fact this is likely not the report you intend to appeal for, I just wanted to clarify some points, if you mind.
    This is your point :
    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    In regards to the name abuse offense, I will now defend why the name "rapist" should not be considered name abuse

    Now let's go step by step.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    1) This had nothing to do with the original scope of the complaint. The complaint was about a supposed "leave train", not any kind of name abuse.
    The moderation staff will add the charges according to what may or not happen in the replay.
    That said, the complaint was about Reactionary Gamethrowing (Leaving the game due to game-related event aka ragequit in this case) from what I understand.
    But it does not exclude other charges at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    2) Asari calls someone a C*** before any names are even put in. C*** is a derogatory word and could easily be viewed as offensive. If Arrow is going to punish people for things outside of the scope of the original complaint, he should do so equally and uniformly for all people in the replay.
    Let's say that, while I agree with you the C word is not very nice, choosing the name you chose (and using the N word repeatedly in the other report) shows totally another aspect than "just" writting C***.
    Also this point is deflecting onto others players so it may not help you appeal your case in any kind of way, just saying.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    3) DeadTeddy (Este), calls me a rapist on day 1, which is fitting considering what my name was. However, after I leave the game, he says "Rape me like one of your french girls". Again, if Arrow is going to go outside the scope of the original complaint, he should do so equally and uniformly.
    This could have indeed been noted, although adding from my last point (because point 2 and 3 are roughly equivalent) that you are the one that instigated this situation by choosing your name. You could have even been charged with Griefing (e.g causing chaos by instigating) to some extent. And again this is deflecting, not helping either.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    4) This is a game that deals in extremely morbid and mature themes. There are Serial Killers, Mass Murderers, and Kidnappers. Serial Killers, in real life, are almost always motivated by some sick sexual deviancy. Every Serial Killer that I have ever heard of is also a rapist. When the SK kills someone, a text comes up that says something like "You hear the terrified screams...". That is an extremely triggering statement in it of itself. Kidnapping people, is also an extremely triggering idea. The mass murderers kill text of "They appear to be an unrecognizable pile of gore.." (Or something like that), is extremely morbid. This is not a game that should be played by anyone under 18. Rape is a disgusting act, we can all agree to that, but there are a lot of extremely mature, morbid, and disgusting things that just happen in this game normally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    5) I was clearly not trying to be offensive, and no one seemed to take offense (considering it wasn't a part of the original complaint). I thought it would be funny if I randomly got escort or the Triad/Maf escort role and had that name. The escort role, and the Triad / Maf escort roles, give off a rapey vibe anyway. I did not choose a name like "I rape kids" or something involving children, it was simply Rapist. I understand "Rapist" can be a triggering word, but so can "Lynch", "Serial Killer", Kidnapper", etc. Where does the line get drawn, and are we all so desensitized to Serial Killers and Kidnappers that we just forgot about how messed up and morbid those two things actually are? This is not a game for kids, the word "rapist" is not something that should be punished, especially not when someone wasnt even mad about it to begin with.
    Those last two points are not worth to even offer any complete answer.
    Here is your other thread (the one you are likely looking for) where you explicitly wrote "THEME IS SUPER OFFENSIVE RACISM", but I mean different time, different person, right, you certainly did not try to be offensive in that game, would you say ?
    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...awamba-Arohaku

    It is not a matter of "morbid", or "vibe", or whatever you stated in this R* apologist statement.
    If you can't abide by what is called decency (and I don't think you do, actually) there is no need to go any further, and I hope you shall find the answer to your problems in the meantime of your punishment.
    I will give you some tips, should you happen to write another appeal in the other thread :
    Try not to use the word "fun" or "funny" when you are reported for Racism, Name Abuse, or actually any charge in fact. It just doesn't fit well, ya see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    I am appealing the decision that was made in regards to the Kildja complaint. Each complaint appeal should be taken individually. Please respond in a manner that only deals with the appeal I am specifically appealing. I do not care if I am not allowed to played SC2 mafia again, and I wont be making an alternative account as is customary with this game. Do not bring up other situations when the original appeal is about this specific situation. Otherwise, what is even the point of this process?
    Last edited by Chumbawamba; June 3rd, 2023 at 01:08 AM.

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    I am appealing the decision that was made in regards to the Kildja complaint. Each complaint appeal should be taken individually. Please respond in a manner that only deals with the appeal I am specifically appealing. I do not care if I am not allowed to played SC2 mafia again, and I wont be making an alternative account as is customary with this game. Do not bring up other situations when the original appeal is about this specific situation. Otherwise, what is even the point of this process?
    if this was successfully appealed then your other punishment would probably be a long WL rather than BL so i understand what you're trying to do but:
    1) you could have tried to appeal this months ago - that's on you not us.
    2) the more recent report makes it pretty clear that arrow was correct in his assessment of this report. I dunno if i would have given u name abuse myself on first review of this replay. But given the context of what u said in the recent report it makes ur intentions here quite clear.

    As for "I do not care if i am not allowed to play SC2 mafia again":
    You only got a 2 week ban list you will be able to play after that
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    DJarJar, I have never made a forum account before, this may be normal for you, but not for me. I believed this to be a joke from the time that I received the warning, but I never even thought of making an account to defend myself. I am defending myself off of principle at this point. Please explain to me, why the Kildja complaint should not be appealed. The things I did 3 months from then should not matter. If I did something 3 months prior, that could be reasonably used as evidence. It was a frivolous report, and if you are going to continue to allow these types of reports to continue to not allow legitimate players to play, you will shortly run into an issue where literally no one is playing. Even in the state that Sc2 mafia is in now, every game starts with one person being auto banned, after which, two people inevitably die from heart attacks because they are afk. You are all destroying the game that Drk.Revenant made. You should take these appeals seriously if you really want a game at all that anyone cares about. I am someone who enjoys the game, but town of salem is literally the same thing. I am appealing for a reason.

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    Quote Originally Posted by Chumbawamba View Post
    I am appealing the decision that was made in regards to the Kildja complaint. Each complaint appeal should be taken individually. Please respond in a manner that only deals with the appeal I am specifically appealing. I do not care if I am not allowed to played SC2 mafia again, and I wont be making an alternative account as is customary with this game. Do not bring up other situations when the original appeal is about this specific situation. Otherwise, what is even the point of this process?
    The "decision" as you call is not based on what Kildja wrote, but based on what the staff have found in the game.
    When you try to appeal, you don't have to prove how or why or what the original poster did wrong, you have to prove either your good faith, or how the one who processed the report forgot something important that could potentially change the outcome of your punishment.
    Whether you find Kildja's post frivolous, that is one thing, but what happens in the report is another.

    And as stated previously, I don't see any good faith in your deflective/R* apologist post nor any missing point that Arrow did not catch that would play in your favor.

    Whether I take or not the recent report as an evidence is only to assess even more your good faith in this case.
    The two of them are alike, and supprisingly match together very well, you.
    Excuse me but I just find it funny that you call out for "THEME IS SUPER OFFENSIVE RACISM" in the newest report, while reading in this report that you do not intend to be offensive with the """"""different"""""" name you chose in this game. You won't pay everyones head, be assured.

    What the appeal process is here for, is to prove your behaviour has changed (in a good way, obviously) since then, to find any mistake/missing worth-noting points, and how you are acting now.


    Behaviour got changed ? No, recent report tells otherwhise. (you should know why)
    Mistake/Missing points ? No, nothing worth. (deflection, mainly)
    Current behaviour ? No, R* apologist thread, find it funny.

    You got a triple here.
    Feel free to blame the state of the game, this is usually the moment when there is not much to add.
    Last edited by Auwt; June 3rd, 2023 at 08:35 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    I am sorry, but who am I supposed to be appealing to? Is Auwt the appellate? I am just appealing the decision from the Kildja complaint. I have not seen anyone defending that specific decision at all, and it sounds like DJarjar agreed with my appeal for that specific decision. If I am supposed to appeal all of the complaints against me at once, I will go ahead and do that. I thought it would be reasonable to appeal the Kildja complaint first. That is typically how real appeals work. For the record, if Exeter is ASDQW, he has also been muted by blizzard, which is something that I can say has never happened to me. Do I need to appeal to every complaint at once, or do we deal with this on an individual basis?

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    I chose to take part and weigh in this appeal, up to you to offer what you want to offer, everything can weigh in.
    All your points have been addressed.
    If you desperately only want to talk about this specific report (which is basically not smart, because they are both typically referring to as a same kind of report), you can just cross out the first part of my answer (point4-5), and there you go, you should have all of your this-thread-only-please answers.
    I have given you some keys (change in behaviour, mistake/missing points, current behaviour), up to you to choose between them.

    You keep on deflecting, now onto Exeter, which is by the way not the same person as Asdqw.
    Adding to this, that if you shout the same things you were reported for in the two threads right in Blizz's chat, be assured that you would be blizzmuted quite fast.
    The difference between you and a blizzmuted guy is the channel/chat you decided to write in, behaviour-wise the same.

    Do as you please, but IMO it is going to be hard for you to appeal this, without appealing the other most recent one too.
    Anyway, please if you happen to defend your case with the newest report, please don't do a Racist-o-apologist post, like you did here.
    Last edited by Auwt; June 5th, 2023 at 08:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    I was never muted by blizzard so anime headphone guy is wrong here. Has this ever made it to an appellate? I respect anime headphone guys opinion but he does not deal in facts or reason. Is this process legit or does anime headphone guy just berate everyone trying to appeal and nothing happens?

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    Re: Chumbawamba: 1-S2-1-352063

    You would have been aware that although you deserve to be, you were never accused of being blizzmuted if you had attentively read what anime headphone man had to say.

    I'm locking the thread, as no sign of improvement has come from them, and as the whole discussion depicted their real intentions/behaviour (cf. racist apologist, r*pe apologist).
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

 

 

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