★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★

[blinkskater]

-vote oberon

Die swine

[Helz]

Mike outing the fact that he's lovers with me is highly unsettling if you're looking to win the game from a town POV.

Oberons true agenda is now coming to light things are really looking up now!

The risk of Heartbreaker worries me a bit though. And actor potential would just mean we stay without wagon info yet again..

[Helz]

If Oberon is scum I would lean Varcon Janitor even a bit more.. Would also make Renegade look a bit better.

[Mike]

Something to add. I was wondering if Janitor might possibly have found Auwt to be the 2nd neutral. But it is unlikely to be Lover, since someone else would have died in that case. Unless Lover was Rbed N1 (in which case he was going to naturally perish, but may have also been targeted by Janitor same N2). So I think it is unlikely for Mike to be Janitor using some knowledge of a dead Lover, plus I suspected Mike of being a Neut already anyway. Seems legit.

Lover can not be roleblocked it is in the setup. I had to lover someone or die night 1 my loverize takes affect before all other actions. I’m other words I was immune to all Roleblocks.

[Helz]

Anyways, Im gona run in about 30 minutes. Won't be back for some time after that.

[Renegade]

Let’s put it this way I will put my hand on the Bible that is 100% true. And if you know me I would never lie about that no matter alignment or game.

? this is not a defense.

Don't bring Jebus into claiming.

[Renegade]

If this is true we just lynch Rene here

One of you is lying.

[Renegade]

Find it odd all you want but it is the truth. I gave town my Night feedback.Oberon can be real or fake. I like to learn the truth before pile driving on him.

But I do get your perspective. I do get SJ perspective. How does both carols fail. Day 1 but make it day 2. Unless Oberon is actresses. That is the only reasoning I can come to.

Mafia team possible Oberon. Rene +1. I am trying to decide if Rene was OGI varcron town or trying to save his partner Day 1. That is where I am at in my mind.

What OGI?

[Mike]

Blink is lover, Mike is actress, and Yagami is angel.

Roflol, blink is town I am the lover neutral the fact you want to push so hard to kill me and blink confirms to me you are the actress. Prob Rene is you partner.

[blinkskater]

One thing on my mind here is that there is no "Lover CC" which makes me want to believe Mike. As I said before if AUWT was exactly the "LOVER" which I find unlikely because he pegged Mike as a neutral, then GG.

A good scum play here would be to hunt for Lover, kill him then use the heartbreaker to claim lover and love a pretty obvious town. If that has happened via Mike GG.

So for the time being I'm going to accept Mike as real lover here and accept the fact that his feedback is correct. The real caroler could confirm this, but so could one of !scum Mikes potential scum mates. If that happenes we'd have more information to work with yes.

[Renegade]

Also, Mike always keeps typing carrol(er) with two r's, while his feedback copy-paste has proper Caroler spelling. So unless he was intentionally picking words here, his feedback seems legit.

He did a similar thing mispelling "Mario" as mareo in mushroom kingdom madness. He was scum in that game from my memory.

[blinkskater]

Roflol, blink is town I am the lover neutral the fact you want to push so hard to kill me and blink confirms to me you are the actress. Prob Rene is you partner.

This does make sense in a !scum Oberon world, because nobody else has claimed to have been Loved which would lean the the fact that there's an actress in the game and not heartbreaker.

[blinkskater]

gonna shit shower shave ill be back after I unleash the kraken on my poor toilet bowl

[Renegade]

Roflol, blink is town I am the lover neutral the fact you want to push so hard to kill me and blink confirms to me you are the actress. Prob Rene is you partner.

Oberon and you both actively calling me scum. You could say bussing but that is a goofy looking venn diagram from my POV.

[bakermir]

oberon was anti spew starting d3 I am sure they were prepared for the inevitable


FoS SJ

[Helz]

He did a similar thing mispelling "Mario" as mareo in mushroom kingdom madness. He was scum in that game from my memory.

I wasn't gona mention it but there were 3 places in this game where he was playing with spelling to signal.

[Mike]

Mike's a very good player and can fake emotions and stuff like that pretty easily. If he's scum here he has played very well. I wouldn't mind bending the knee to a !scum Mike here, If Mafia effectively killed AUWT, and AUWT was Lover I don't mind losing to that. Mike is 100% Heartbreaker or Lover.

I do think Oberon is scum here. VERY likely actress that will probably flip town.

If we could just figure out if it's actress or heartbreaker this game would be a lot easier.

No wonder you did not take me as town I completely forgot there could be a heartbreaker. Dude Blaick is so bleeding town from this post I know this is from my POV but. To be honest I was unsure if blink was town or mafia I was town reading him but after Thai post I finally know my win con and it is town.

[Renegade]

I wasn't gona mention it but there were 3 places in this game where he was playing with spelling to signal.

He does this all the time. Virtually every game I've played with him.

It is a ruse.

[Renegade]

No wonder you did not take me as town I completely forgot there could be a heartbreaker. Dude Blaick is so bleeding town from this post I know this is from my POV but. To be honest I was unsure if blink was town or mafia I was town reading him but after Thai post I finally know my win con and it is town.

Who is "Blaick"?

[Helz]

oberon was anti spew starting d3 I am sure they were prepared for the inevitable


FoS SJ

I also just noticed SJ's vote was on the AFK Frostbyte EoD2.

I kinda don't see a Town SuperJack voteparking an AFK in tandem with the lack of attempt to break RVS D1.

[Helz]

He does this all the time. Virtually every game I've played with him.

It is a ruse.

I generally just see it as signaling to sneak hidden information when you are trying to subtilty communicate with another skilled player. I don't call it out simply because once you pick up on that sort of thing they will keep doing it until they know you are onto them..

[Renegade]

Only people I really trust right now are bakermir and Helz.

Also not interesting in voting FB the empty slot.

[Oberon]

okay you pieces of shit.
I lied. I am the Caroler. I knew Mike's claim was legit because I carolled him last night.
I wanted to see who would bite.

[Oberon]

also, I must've been roleblocked n1, or I visited a Mafia. I tried to Carol Light_Yagami

[Mike]

The risk of Heartbreaker worries me a bit though. And actor potential would just mean we stay without wagon info yet again..

Trust me there is no heartbreaker this setup.

Let look at the facts no WIFOM

Fact 1 lover neutral noght 1 has to loverize someone night one. When they do if they die that same night there lover dies the same night also. Only 1 death noght 1. Confirmed in game.

Fact 2 night 2 only 1 death. Meaning today neutral lover confirmed alive in the game.

Fact 3 Blink confirms he is love red with me. So I have to be neutral lover or heartbreaker.

Fact 4 no one else is loverize DS and no one is CC me.

Fact 5 if no one else is loverized then heartbreaker can not be in game confirming we have actress.

Oberon from my POV is 100% mafia here. If he flips town we know he has to be actress so we have vote logic.

Tonight mafia will kill me to get 2 KP tonight sorry blink. But town need to remember this post when we die in the night. Caroler do not carol me or blink tonight. I would carol prq. This way you get more info to town.

[PQRnHack]

... if AUWT was exactly the "LOVER" which I find unlikely because he pegged Mike as a neutral, then GG.

If Auwt were Lover, then someone else would have died last night (I doubt that Auwt failed to target N1) and as explained by Helz and Mike, Lover cannot be RBed.

[Mike]

? this is not a defense.

Don't bring Jebus into claiming.

You are right I should never have brought that in this game but it is still true none the less.

[Oberon]

no heartbreaker worth his salt would ever heartbreak someone Actress wifom is too strong what are people on about

[Mike]

One thing on my mind here is that there is no "Lover CC" which makes me want to believe Mike. As I said before if AUWT was exactly the "LOVER" which I find unlikely because he pegged Mike as a neutral, then GG.

A good scum play here would be to hunt for Lover, kill him then use the heartbreaker to claim lover and love a pretty obvious town. If that has happened via Mike GG.

So for the time being I'm going to accept Mike as real lover here and accept the fact that his feedback is correct. The real caroler could confirm this, but so could one of !scum Mikes potential scum mates. If that happenes we'd have more information to work with yes.

Impossible awut can’t be only 1 KP that night. Lovers actions take place before all other actions. So when I love red toy noght 1 if mafia has targeted you or me noght 1 we both would have died. You can confirm that with the mod.

[Mike]

gonna shit shower shave ill be back after I unleash the kraken on my poor toilet bowl

Spray and turn on the fan lol

[Renegade]

okay you pieces of shit.
I lied. I am the Caroler. I knew Mike's claim was legit because I carolled him last night.
I wanted to see who would bite.

I've seen this movie before - big brain play, fails, now tries to retract with someone else wild...

[Mike]

I wasn't gona mention it but there were 3 places in this game where he was playing with spelling to signal.

Roflol I am the king of typos. Read every game I have ever played. To say I am playing with spelling to signed is streaching a bit.

[Helz]

Trust me there is no heartbreaker this setup.

Let look at the facts no WIFOM

Fact 1 lover neutral noght 1 has to loverize someone night one. When they do if they die that same night there lover dies the same night also. Only 1 death noght 1. Confirmed in game.

Fact 2 night 2 only 1 death. Meaning today neutral lover confirmed alive in the game.

Fact 3 Blink confirms he is love red with me. So I have to be neutral lover or heartbreaker.

Fact 4 no one else is loverize DS and no one is CC me.

Fact 5 if no one else is loverized then heartbreaker can not be in game confirming we have actress.

Oberon from my POV is 100% mafia here. If he flips town we know he has to be actress so we have vote logic.

Tonight mafia will kill me to get 2 KP tonight sorry blink. But town need to remember this post when we die in the night. Caroler do not carol me or blink tonight. I would carol prq. This way you get more info to town.

This is a very good point. If anyone else has lover feedback they should 1000% reveal that shit

okay you pieces of shit.
I lied. I am the Caroler. I knew Mike's claim was legit because I carolled him last night.
I wanted to see who would bite.

You... fucking.... wut?

Did you at least seed prior to claiming this time to refer back to and get you out of this hole you dug?
And what information did you intend to gain? What information did you gain? Can you point to a place where you were interacting to generate that information?

Or is this another one of those times we gotta flip a coin on if you are scum or just pulled a gambit with no preparation or thought as town?

[Mike]

Who is "Blaick"?

Sorry Blink, I type a lot on my phone.

[Helz]

Roflol I am the king of typos. Read every game I have ever played. To say I am playing with spelling to signed is streaching a bit.

Maybe I am wrong. It doesn't matter at all regardless.

Anyways, I am out for some time. May be back before I go to sleep or may just be back in the morning.

[Mike]

okay you pieces of shit.
I lied. I am the Caroler. I knew Mike's claim was legit because I carolled him last night.
I wanted to see who would bite.

Wtf? Is this BS

[Helz]

This is a very good point. If anyone else has lover feedback they should 1000% reveal that shit


You... fucking.... wut?

Did you at least seed prior to claiming this time to refer back to and get you out of this hole you dug?
And what information did you intend to gain? What information did you gain? Can you point to a place where you were interacting to generate that information?

Or is this another one of those times we gotta flip a coin on if you are scum or just pulled a gambit with no preparation or thought as town?

Oh yeah, I suppose with no CC Oberon is semi confirmed which gets him outa this. The risk is if he is scum he is just pushing to out one more TPR before he goes down.

[bakermir]

Wtf? Is this BS

help me mike

who is the third maf

[Mike]

help me mike

who is the third maf

I am really Sus on helz right now.

The fact he is ignoring your sifts and believing Oberon.

[Mike]

help me mike

who is the third maf

You truly need to claim now. If you are not the caroler and my read on you is wrong then we have to belive oberon and I truly do not want to live in that world becise if Oberon is real I am going to be really pissed at him in RL

[blinkskater]

Ok wait while I was in the shower, and Mike don't take this the wrong way please. A thought came across my mind. If you believe me to be town and are IN LOVE with me, why the fuck would you out that?

[Oberon]

Ok wait while I was in the shower, and Mike don't take this the wrong way please. A thought came across my mind. If you believe me to be town and are IN LOVE with me, why the fuck would you out that?

so you thought about Mike in the shower?

[Mike]

Ok wait while I was in the shower, and Mike don't take this the wrong way please. A thought came across my mind. If you believe me to be town and are IN LOVE with me, why the fuck would you out that?

Becise I was in L3 and looked like I was going over and then we both die.

[Frinckles]

Last tidbit before bed..


This was Auwt's read wall and his votes were pretty consistently just hardline on SJ. I did not see any TPR indicators.

So Why was Auwt targeted / cleaned?
-They saw some TPR tell I didn't and thought they could use his PR claim later?
-Janitor was in danger (Maybe Varcon or Oberon) and they wanted to use the charge?
-Random to throw off doc counter?
-A read or some reads were accurate enough to want him dead?
-Some combination of the above

@Frinckles
Would an Ornamentalist action still occur if they were cleaned?
Would a Janitor also clean a players last will?

Anyways.. All that comes to my mind right now.

Yes to both.

[blinkskater]

so you thought about Mike in the shower?

I DIDN'T WANT IT TAKEN THE WRONG WAY!

[Oberon]

I DIDN'T WANT IT TAKEN THE WRONG WAY!

hahaha nice

[blinkskater]

Becise I was in L3 and looked like I was going over and then we both die.

I don't believe that

[Renegade]

so you thought about Mike in the shower?

He thought about Mike's love of him in the shower.

[Frinckles]

@Frinckles can there be 2 of the same TPR Role?

Could be.

[blinkskater]

@Mike you know me keeping my vote on you would be against my wincon that's a garbage answer.

You also know I would fight tooth and nail as either alignment to prevent your lynch or mine because we are connected.