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    Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that orange man lost the election. However, it has been a divided election/country for a while now. The massive celebrations around the leftist parts of the country don't really seem to be in the spirit of healing the country.

    Is this post too soon? Let the left celebrate for a little? Or is this toxic sore winner-ism?

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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    I think if we're serious about changing people's minds - or even just cooperating with people in a society - then it's clearly a terrible idea. That said, I wouldn't get uppity about it, especially when it's not such a big deal. The right hates us anyway. Half of them think we're slaughtering millions of babies a year and fighting for the abolition of nuclear families and free discourse. Being sore winners is probably near the bottom of their list of grievances lol.
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    Fuck the feelings of the right, absolutely rub it in. They've been so fucking arrogant the last four years, its wonderful to serve them some of their own medicine. We've had to have their stupid ass policies shoved down our throats while the President did and said some of the most fucking divisive shit

    Feels really good man.
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    Tbh I think the right is gonna boogeyman everyone else no matter what. Have you seen right-wing media? If they can't find any legitimate reason to criticize another viewpoint, they'll literally just make shit up.

    The problem is with them and their media. Blaming anyone else for celebrating is a bit of a victim blaming attitude IMO, and absolves them of their guilt. Blame their media, not the actions of others.

    And just from a personal standpoint, I personally don't give a fuck if they get mad and I think the ones deep enough to get upset over this kind of stuff are also too far removed from reality to be positively influenced by any other person taking the high ground. I literally do not give a shit about how upset they get, and they're free to cry about me saying that as well. I hope they do.

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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I love it when people post memes about ‘cope’ cuz it shows you just how bitter they are over the 2016 election =)
    It's pretty obvious how much this is getting to you. Just remember to breathe and not take it so seriously. In the end, whoever wins this election won't actually impact your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    It's pretty obvious how much this is getting to you. Just remember to breathe and not take it so seriously. In the end, whoever wins this election won't actually impact your life.
    ‘Won’t impact your life’
    I mean, I don’t expect the US to change drastically over the next four years anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Tbh I think the right is gonna boogeyman everyone else no matter what. Have you seen right-wing media? If they can't find any legitimate reason to criticize another viewpoint, they'll literally just make shit up.

    The problem is with them and their media. Blaming anyone else for celebrating is a bit of a victim blaming attitude IMO, and absolves them of their guilt. Blame their media, not the actions of others.

    And just from a personal standpoint, I personally don't give a fuck if they get mad and I think the ones deep enough to get upset over this kind of stuff are also too far removed from reality to be positively influenced by any other person taking the high ground. I literally do not give a shit about how upset they get, and they're free to cry about me saying that as well. I hope they do.
    Didn’t the Democrats go nuts and bashed people for celebrating Trump’s victory 4 years ago, claiming they’re idiots who ruined the country?

    And didn’t they organise large-scale protests on the streets, despite the legitimate victory through the established democratic process? Which prompted comments like “Democrats only love democracy when it works for them”

    I don’t think anybody can take the high ground here, and everybody should just stop shitting on the other side.
    As if tensions aren’t high enough already.
    There are bigger problems to focus on, like other superpowers, than picking fights with your neighbours.
    Last edited by Exeter350; November 8th, 2020 at 11:23 PM.


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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Don't think the Democrats bashed anyone for actually celebrating, to my memory. Bashed Trump and his supporters maybe, but not the celebrating part.

    There was protest, yes. However the protest was against Trump's platform and rhetoric, and not against the democratic process. At least how I interpreted it. Nobody said that Trump got elected through fraud, though some did claim he got elected through a flawed electoral system (which wasn't a new idea either, and is still a valid concern despite Trump losing).

    My point with the high ground comment is that it doesn't seem to matter. Media skew and agendas are such that right-wing media will find anything at all to criticize their opponents on if they want, and if they can't even do that they'll just make something up. Fucker Carlson said on air at some point in the past couple of days that Biden wants to get rid of corner coffee shops and make everyone drink Starbucks. The point is that if you take the high ground then they'll still find something to vilify you on. Maybe liberal media does the same but I don't really consume any liberal media so I wouldn't know.

    And if you ask me personally, I just like drama and memes. Either way the results of the election weren't gonna affect me directly. Seeing Trump supporters freak out and sob on the streets is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    "Nobody said that Trump got elected through fraud"
    People were literally claiming Russians interfered in the election to secure Donald Trump's election. As you would say, 'you're straight up wrong lmao'.
    Russia DID interfere with the 2016 election, confirmed by multiple US intelligence agencies. Through disinformation, hacking email servers, etc. They didn't hack the election, but denying that they actually interfered is IGNORANCE

    You are IGNORANT Mag. You literally never know what you're talking about. Stick to washing dishes and when you educate yourself you can return to the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    "Nobody said that Trump got elected through fraud"
    People were literally claiming Russians interfered in the election to secure Donald Trump's election. As you would say, 'you're straight up wrong lmao'.
    Nobody ever claimed that Russia committed actual election fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that orange man lost the election. However, it has been a divided election/country for a while now. The massive celebrations around the leftist parts of the country don't really seem to be in the spirit of healing the country.

    Is this post too soon? Let the left celebrate for a little? Or is this toxic sore winner-ism?
    Its probably just more of a difference in culture. On the flip side the left also had people renouncing their citizenship, committing suicide and locking themselves in their house for weeks when Trump beat Hillary.

    I think its all more than a bit dramatic but I dont particularity think its any sort of evil. The suicide memes are not very classy though.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Rofl I can't help myself, I'm finding these funny anyway....

    But the truth is that Voss brings a great point up. "A time to heal", y'all. I'm extremely happy Trump is out, don't get me wrong, and I believe it's 100 % fair that people are celebrating it hardcore in the streets (with masks and social distancing!!!). However, attacking Trumpists and Republicans in general, calling them dumb, etc. is the opposite of what the USA need right now. Biden understands that - according to his speech - which already is a great start for a new, better era for the USA and for the Western world (and probably the entire world by extension). Those who are happy that the one who has divided the country and the world for 4 years will be out of the White House soon should seek not to do the same thing, but to mend the divide between the "two Americas", just like their new president is so correctly preaching.
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    And by the way, the "this doesn't affect your life so fuck off" rhetoric is truly annoying. Advocating for political apathy and blaming people for caring about others whether they are close to them or not is the opposite of what people in the world must do to cultivate prosperity (or more specifically, to cultivate freedom and decent life conditions for as many people as possible). And if you disagree, just let us waste our lives trying to create a better world, since "it won't affect your life anyway"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    And by the way, the "this doesn't affect your life so fuck off" rhetoric is truly annoying. Advocating for political apathy and blaming people for caring about others whether they are close to them or not is the opposite of what people in the world must do to cultivate prosperity (or more specifically, to cultivate freedom and decent life conditions for as many people as possible). And if you disagree, just let us waste our lives trying to create a better world, since "it won't affect your life anyway"
    Oh I fully agree, in case you were talking about my post. I used that phrase because I've heard it so much in defence of Trump.

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    The one good thing about Biden getting elected is peace of mind.
    Now that the left finally has a President in power, they'll probably cut down on their absurd hysterical attacks on Western/American culture and people who disagree with them. Hopefully.

    I am still concerned because our society has taken an increasingly authoritarian direction. 77% of conservatives in the United States are afraid of voicing their political opinions; compared to 52% of Democrats. In fact the only group where a majority aren't afraid to voice their opinions are hard liberals. Even moderates are afraid of stating their opinions to others.
    With Biden in power I really do hope this rhetoric of hatred against the right and even moderates in general will stop; everyone suffers in a climate of hatred and mistrust. A healthy left and right are necessary in a democratic society to counterbalance things - and right now the left is extremely unreasonable (and has been, for quite some time), making up absurd claims such as that of white privilege and systemic racism, and harboring an extreme anti-capitalism that is very damaging and quite frankly authoritarian. This kind of shit has to stop. And no, I'm not talking about this or other threads like that; I'm talking about the reaction people have when you reveal yourself as even moderately Republican, or when you disagree with things that have come to be accepted as gospel. Threads like this one are completely irrelevant in this context as far as I'm concerned because there will always be people meme'ing.

    I am hoping that this trend will at least come to a halt if not start being reversed during Biden's reign, if for no reason other than the fact that authoritarian attacks are no longer necessary. It really is quite damaging. Many people have lost their jobs for revealing they supported Donald Trump.
    Last edited by Oberon; November 9th, 2020 at 08:54 AM.

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    >Trump most authoritarian president in modern history

    >STOP THE AUTHORITARIANISM!

    lmfaoo this is great

    You can be a moderate republican, just make sure when Trump says obviously false things (small sample)
    >covid just a flu
    >inject disinfectant
    >will just disappear
    >inaguration crowd larger than obama (it wasn't I was there)
    >anything he doesn't like is fake news

    Literally thousands of lies; you can be a republican, but don't just fall in line and back that shit up. When you do, I call you out on it, including conservatives in my own loose circle of friends.

    When Qanon dipshits start spouting their nonsense, it is the non-crazy part of society's responsibility to tell them to shut up.

    Thanks!

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    @Oberon

    So keep your political leaning to yourself to avoid generalisation, then tackle discussions / issues on a stand-alone basis?

    Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this whole political identity thing is the dumbest fucking thing ever?

    As for people who lose their jobs over shit like this, you’d think given how seriously it is taken in the US, they’d have the sense to just keep their political leaning to themselves?
    Or is this bad because people are “afraid to voice their opinions”?

    If so, I truly commend such people for daring to voice their beliefs knowing they might lose their livelihood.
    Especially since the culture there is to live paycheck by paycheck, i.e. getting fired is a death sentence.

    Personally, I am not so dumb as to throw away my future for such a stupid reason, especially if I have a family to take care of & a long term life goal that I’m working towards.

    Instead of saying “I am a Republican” or “I voted for Donald Trump”, just address the topic on hand, whether it’s economic policy, or racism, or whatever the fuck.
    Seriously, stick to the topic at hand, your political leaning doesn’t mean shit, it isn’t relevant on its own.

    Renren said he’ll call retards out for being retards, whether Republican or Democrats. I agree. A person’s political identity doesn’t mean shit. The topic on hand does.

    Tl;dr - Tackle discussions / issues on a stand-alone basis. Political identity should be kept quiet for pragmatic reasons.
    (Also because it’s a stupid f**king concept)
    Last edited by Exeter350; November 9th, 2020 at 10:58 AM.


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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Exeter350 View Post
    @Oberon

    So keep your political leaning to yourself to avoid generalisation, then tackle discussions / issues on a stand-alone basis?

    Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this whole political identity thing is the dumbest fucking thing ever?

    As for people who lose their jobs over shit like this, you’d think given how seriously it is taken in the US, they’d have the sense to just keep their political leaning to themselves?
    Or is this bad because people are “afraid to voice their opinions”?

    If so, I truly commend such people for daring to voice their beliefs knowing they might lose their livelihood.
    Especially since the culture there is to live paycheck by paycheck, i.e. getting fired is a death sentence.

    Personally, I am not so dumb as to throw away my future for such a stupid reason, especially if I have a family to take care of & a long term life goal that I’m working towards.

    Tl;dr - Tackle discussions / issues on a stand-alone basis. Political identity should be kept quiet for pragmatic reasons.
    (Also because it’s a stupid f**king concept)
    You realize where political intimidation takes people, right? That's the door to huge repressive measures and it is honestly astounding that something like is allowed to happen at all.

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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    >Trump most authoritarian president in modern history

    >STOP THE AUTHORITARIANISM!

    lmfaoo this is great

    You can be a moderate republican, just make sure when Trump says obviously false things (small sample)
    >covid just a flu
    >inject disinfectant
    >will just disappear
    >inaguration crowd larger than obama (it wasn't I was there)
    >anything he doesn't like is fake news

    Literally thousands of lies; you can be a republican, but don't just fall in line and back that shit up. When you do, I call you out on it, including conservatives in my own loose circle of friends.

    When Qanon dipshits start spouting their nonsense, it is the non-crazy part of society's responsibility to tell them to shut up.

    Thanks!
    "Trump is the most authoritarian President in modern history"
    You mean compared to Obama, who spied on Americans in the name of "counter-terrorism"?
    You mean Trump, the President that was attacked by the Media or SOMEONE every single day that he was President? And didn't do anything about it? If he were anything as authoritarian as you suggest he'd've banned Twitter and Facebook long ago; he didn't even do that.
    You mean Trump, the President who didn't preside over attacks on liberals?

    I haven't actually seen anything authoritarian from Trump, only people saying he is. I find it quite funny when people claim things like that. It's really quite ironic that people are saying that and yet are completely free and not jailed for expressing their views, like they would be in say Russia. It really makes you wonder where people come up with this kind of stuff.

    ---Also---
    'You can be a moderate republican'
    No, you actually can't. Like I said 77% of Conservatives are afraid of expressing their political views.
    As for the rest of your comments, the first three are debaable, the inaguration one is (probably) indeed false since that seems like one of the times he used hyperboles (something he does A LOT, probably due to his history as a businessman). Really the man was pulling shit out of his ass especially in 2015 when he was campaining for the Presidency, so yeah, he does lie a lot about certain things although with him his lies are obvious and never meant to be taken as facts - obviously nobody thinks he's being serious when he's saying things like 'I will build the wall so fast, your head will spin'. That's just businessman talk. Frankly I have no issue with it. In terms of lies I'd rather be hit with lies that are obvious lies rather than the kind of half-truths that the media likes to peddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    There should be consequences for supporting an authoritarian, anti-truth, anti-science regime.

    Actions have consequences.
    What the fuck are you talking about lmao, this is literally communist china shit

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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    You realize where political intimidation takes people, right? That's the door to huge repressive measures and it is honestly astounding that something like is allowed to happen at all.
    It happens in my country and I think it’s fine.

    We have strict laws on race, religion & government criticism.
    Penalty is imprisonment, hefty fines & lashes.

    This invites a lot of criticism about freedom of speech, human rights & censorship.

    But I think it’s fine.

    Such inflammatory topics should be regulated to keep the peace.
    There are avenues for people to voice out their opinions, but these are controlled too.

    Rabble-rousing is a no-no.
    The public has the responsibility to make their own informed decisions.
    People are not allowed to constantly blare widespread political messages to try to manipulate others.
    If the public is too lazy and apathetic to do their own research or lift a finger, that’s their problem.

    Also protests are illegal here lol.
    Which is fine too.

    I think I feel this way because we have a competent government?
    Under an incompetent / corrupt government, such authority can be easily abused.

    But if you have an incompetent government you’re screwed either way lol, it doesn’t really matter whether if it’s authoritarian or democratic.
    Under a shitty “democratic” leader, the laws can be subverted / ignored anyway.
    Last edited by Exeter350; November 9th, 2020 at 11:45 AM.


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    Re: Is celebrating the defeat of Trump a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    What a pandering shit. He knows most of his voterbase lives off of this shit so he serves it in the white house.

    Then he takes pictures holding a fucking bible upside down and the evangelical right goes nuts.

    I don't understand how people didn't see everything he did and said through the lens of fucking pandering to win votes. He hasn't been genuine once since he got into office.
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    SOMEONE GET THAT MAN A FUCKING TAILOR WHAT THE FUCK ARE HIS SLEEVES SO FUCKING LONG FOR JESUS CHRIST HE LOOKS FRUMPY AS FUCK AS IT IS HOLY SHIT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    The one good thing about Biden getting elected is peace of mind.
    Now that the left finally has a President in power, they'll probably cut down on their absurd hysterical attacks on Western/American culture and people who disagree with them. Hopefully.

    I am still concerned because our society has taken an increasingly authoritarian direction. 77% of conservatives in the United States are afraid of voicing their political opinions; compared to 52% of Democrats. In fact the only group where a majority aren't afraid to voice their opinions are hard liberals. Even moderates are afraid of stating their opinions to others.
    With Biden in power I really do hope this rhetoric of hatred against the right and even moderates in general will stop; everyone suffers in a climate of hatred and mistrust. A healthy left and right are necessary in a democratic society to counterbalance things - and right now the left is extremely unreasonable (and has been, for quite some time), making up absurd claims such as that of white privilege and systemic racism, and harboring an extreme anti-capitalism that is very damaging and quite frankly authoritarian. This kind of shit has to stop. And no, I'm not talking about this or other threads like that; I'm talking about the reaction people have when you reveal yourself as even moderately Republican, or when you disagree with things that have come to be accepted as gospel. Threads like this one are completely irrelevant in this context as far as I'm concerned because there will always be people meme'ing.

    I am hoping that this trend will at least come to a halt if not start being reversed during Biden's reign, if for no reason other than the fact that authoritarian attacks are no longer necessary. It really is quite damaging. Many people have lost their jobs for revealing they supported Donald Trump.
    Biden isn't left. He's not even close. Biden is still right wing. He's just not as right wing as Trump.

    I'm literally a massive sample of white privilege. I'm practically the strawman posterchild. I grew up in one of the most rapidly developing areas in the US. I'm an upper class straight white male. White privilege absolutely exists, I see it around me every day. I experience it myself sometimes unintentionally. But it's part of my (our) generation's job to see the injustices around us and change the status quo. I try and always make sure that I am open to other people's experiences. Very few people were lucky enough to live the life I've lead.

    This isn't a thread about "hey this isn't a thing we as a society should do and we should try and get people to stop doing it", it's a "is this a healthy thing to do" discussion. Should we be throwing parties about Trump's loss? Even if we forget about covid, probably not. Still makes the US more divided than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Have you ever made a single argument defending a conservative stance without it being some variant of "left bad too"? I'm just curious.
    this is not a case of 'left bad too' as you suggest. it's a case of 'the left has gone too far' and it absolutely has. you've gone WAY too far when you're starting to claim that half the country is racist just because, and when 77% of conservatives are AFRAID of voicing their opnions (even though they constitute about 50% of the population). I blame the radical left, not the entire left. there's still reasonable people on 'the left' (btw the left ranges from moderate liberals who just want welfare to socialists and communists on the really far end of the spectrum), like the people who published in the gender studies journals and jordan peterson (who is definitely left leaning if you listen to what he has to say).

    virtually everyone in america agrees that political correctness is a thing, even leftists: about 80% of Americans agree political correctness is a problem. and political correctness is peddled by the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Biden isn't left. He's not even close. Biden is still right wing. He's just not as right wing as Trump.

    I'm literally a massive sample of white privilege. I'm practically the strawman posterchild. I grew up in one of the most rapidly developing areas in the US. I'm an upper class straight white male. White privilege absolutely exists, I see it around me every day. I experience it myself sometimes unintentionally. But it's part of my (our) generation's job to see the injustices around us and change the status quo. I try and always make sure that I am open to other people's experiences. Very few people were lucky enough to live the life I've lead.

    This isn't a thread about "hey this isn't a thing we as a society should do and we should try and get people to stop doing it", it's a "is this a healthy thing to do" discussion. Should we be throwing parties about Trump's loss? Even if we forget about covid, probably not. Still makes the US more divided than ever.
    Biden himself may not be left wing, although the people who would actually be running the country are very radical (Kamala Harris, AOC, etc). There is genuine cause for concern although this is much older than Biden, being a problem that is at least 4 years old.

    Well, the thing you do when you have privilege is you work hard to ensure that you've earned it. I'm not saying people don't grow up with a certain degree of privilege or that whites don't tend to be more privileged than blacks. They are, on average. The problem is where you take the idea and when you take it to mean that whites are 'systematically' oppressing blacks to prevent their rise to the top.

    Also, Will Smith is probably more privileged than we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    There should be consequences for supporting an authoritarian, anti-truth, anti-science regime.

    Actions have consequences.
    Fuck off. This is the worst post you've ever made.

    As another person who voted for Biden, you don't seem to realize that the vast majority of Americans (accurately) understand that both of the candidates are fucking awful. If you genuinely think Joe "Poor kids can be just as smart as white kids" Biden is a good person please take another look at his record. He's awful. Kamala is worse. Trump is even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Biden himself may not be left wing, although the people who would actually be running the country are very radical (Kamala Harris, AOC, etc). There is genuine cause for concern although this is much older than Biden, being a problem that is at least 4 years old.

    Well, the thing you do when you have privilege is you work hard to ensure that you've earned it. I'm not saying people don't grow up with a certain degree of privilege or that whites don't tend to be more privileged than blacks. They are, on average. The problem is where you take the idea and when you take it to mean that whites are 'systematically' oppressing blacks to prevent their rise to the top.

    Also, Will Smith is probably more privileged than we are.
    I absolutely did not have to work for my level of privilege. My parents make a lot of money and I got to reap the benefits. I don't have a comment on the systematic racism right now because I'm not that familiar with the topic.

    Will Smith is definitely more privileged than we are but that's not at all based on racial topics IMO that's just based on his social/economic status.
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