S-FM 194: Return to Normalcy Mini

[Yukitaka Oni]

I think that's basically what I just said. I'm down.

If you down with this plan, then do it

[DarknessB]

Okay, since we're agreed, let's see what happens.

-vote SuperJack

[The Godfather]

SuperJack has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Mesk514 (1 [L-3]): SuperJack
SuperJack (4 [L-0]): Iced_Monopoly, DarknessB, Yukitaka Oni, Unknown1234

[powerofdeath]

SuperJack was lynched. His role was Lookout.

Night ends in 24 hours from now.

[powerofdeath]

Yukitaka Oni was killed by the Mafia last night. His role was Citizen.

We found a last will in Yukitaka Oni's home.

Spoiler : Lastwill :

- Calix is disappointed at us....
- DarknessB or Unknown die tonight (if Unknown is town)
- Iced and Mesk have medium chance to die tonight (if Mesk is town- which......the type of....I'M ALWAYS TOWN is......pathetic defense like myself during Sm-F Mafia Camp)
- ^)o.o)^ ^(o.o(^

Day ends in 48 hours from now.

Living Players:
1. @Iced_Monopoly
2. @Mesk514
3. @Unknown1234
4. @DarknessB

3 votes to hammer.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Well I honestly didnt see that coming. I thought for sure the confirmed town (Darkness) wouldve been attacked, especially given his efforts to lead the town yesterday, that wouldve sown some dissent, and confusion about, leading to a possible mislynch.

ON THE OTHER HAND, perhaps our lookout really is a lookout, and scum was afraid of being caught killing darkness. So we have a jailor/kidnapper or agent/lookout claim to deal with today. Of course im still a possibility, but a game with only 1 citizen in something named normalcy wouldnt make sense..

[Unknown1234]

Yukitaka Oni was killed by the Mafia last night. His role was Citizen.

We found a last will in Yukitaka Oni's home.

Spoiler : Lastwill :

- Calix is disappointed at us....
- DarknessB or Unknown die tonight (if Unknown is town)
- Iced and Mesk have medium chance to die tonight (if Mesk is town- which......the type of....I'M ALWAYS TOWN is......pathetic defense like myself during Sm-F Mafia Camp)
- ^)o.o)^ ^(o.o(^

Day ends in 48 hours from now.

Living Players:
1. @Iced_Monopoly
2. @Mesk514
3. @Unknown1234
4. @DarknessB

3 votes to hammer.

I know it looks like I'm evil, but if Mesk was lookout...

[Unknown1234]

Well I honestly didnt see that coming. I thought for sure the confirmed town (Darkness) wouldve been attacked, especially given his efforts to lead the town yesterday, that wouldve sown some dissent, and confusion about, leading to a possible mislynch.

ON THE OTHER HAND, perhaps our lookout really is a lookout, and scum was afraid of being caught killing darkness. So we have a jailor/kidnapper or agent/lookout claim to deal with today. Of course im still a possibility, but a game with only 1 citizen in something named normalcy wouldnt make sense..

Is darkness not a citizen?

[Iced_Monopoly]

@Mesk514 So mesk, when you visited calix n1 and saw her visit Darkness, you also saw SJ do the same. What prompted you to go to Calix N1?

[Iced_Monopoly]

Is darkness not a citizen?

He hasnt claimed a role yet, or I missed it

[Iced_Monopoly]

I know it looks like I'm evil, but if Mesk was lookout...

What kind of a defense is that? are you already accusing mesk of being scum? Can you finish your sentence instead of just adding elipses?

[Unknown1234]

What kind of a defense is that? are you already accusing mesk of being scum? Can you finish your sentence instead of just adding elipses?

Actually I was accusing you. If Mesk was lookout why would they kill me? If They kill Mesk, what is Darkness? I think it was a safe bet killing Yuki if both Mesk and I are town

[Iced_Monopoly]

Alright, well given ive seen almost no decent reads from you this game, id like you to start on a reads list about the remaining players, with extra emphasis on myself

[Mesk514]

@Mesk514 So mesk, when you visited calix n1 and saw her visit Darkness, you also saw SJ do the same. What prompted you to go to Calix N1?

what? I didn't see Calix visit Darkness, I saw SuperJack visit Calix.
I chose to visit Calix because she made strong point against everyone day 1, I thought maybe easy target?

[Mesk514]

Honestly, I'm quite shocked on SuperJack's flip.

There was 9 of us right?

is the setup:

2 body guards
2 citizens
2 lookouts
2 kidnappers
execution

[Iced_Monopoly]

what? I didn't see Calix visit Darkness, I saw SuperJack visit Calix.

But as an agent, you would know that Calix visited Darkness too. As one of the most outspoken players on d1, she could have easily been a TPR, which is why you wanted to follow her, to determine if your teammate, Whad, would need to kill her on N2, or if she was just a citizen.

[DarknessB]

Guys, we're lynching Mesk -- I really don't want to hear it. I'm shocked that I was not attacked and I am pasting my Last Will now.

[DarknessB]

My Last Will, had I been attacked:

Last Will:

LYNCH MESK, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IT'S MESK

If you're reading this, I was attacked and killed last night by the Mafia. Since SuperJack (ugh) was our Lookout, there was no one to see who visited me last night. I am angry with SuperJack for not making a stronger push against Mesk yesterday. I feel like him waffling back and forth convinced other members of the Town (Unknown and Yuki) to vote for him over Mesk.

I will make this as clear as possible in case you read nothing else -- IT HAS TO BE MESK. For the love of God, please just vote Mesk! Far more explanatory detail is below in case you care to read further:

At this point in the game, our setup is as follows:

Kidnapper (Wahd)
Mafia #2: Agent (Mesk) or Kidnapper (Unknown)
Bodyguard (Calix)
Lookout (SuperJack)
TPR #3: Jailor (Unknown) or Lookout #2 (Mesk)
Citizen x 3 (Iced Monopoly, Yuki, and DarknessB)
Executioner (Firebringer)

To reiterate, the two possibilities are:
Agent (Mesk)
Jailor (Unknown)
or
Kidnapper (Unknown)
Lookout (Mesk)

Everyone PLEASE accept the following points:

1. Iced Monopoly and Yuki are Citizens. POD didn't make a setup with four TPRs -- i.e. there's no way in hell that Mesk and Unknown are both TPRs and the Town got:

Bodyguard (Calix)
Lookout (SuperJack)
Jailor (Unknown)
Lookout #2 (Mesk)

This would be an insanely OP setup for the Town allowing 1/3 of the players to be watched every night and 1/2 to be watched or guarded.

Therefore, this means that either Mesk or Unknown is lying about their claim. Which leads me to my next point:

2. Mesk is the last Mafia Member (Agent). This is the only thing that makes sense in terms of POD making any sort of a balanced setup. Look at the setup again if Mesk is the last Mafia member:

Kidnapper (Wahd)
Agent (Mesk)
Bodyguard (Calix)
Lookout (SuperJack)
Jailor (Unknown)
Citizen x 3 (Iced Monopoly, Yuki, and DarknessB)
Executioner (Firebringer)

This makes COMPLETE sense for a balanced setup that would have been suitable to be the Beginner Game. There are counterclaimable roles: Kidnapper vs. Jailor and Agent vs. Lookout, which makes sense for the purpose of allowing players to claim and counterclaim each other. The Mafia also has a power / killing type role (Kidnapper) and an investigatory role (Agent), which is balanced. Likewise, the Town is perfectly balanced between a protective (Bodyguard), investigatory role (Lookout), and general power / killing role (Bodyguard).

In contrast, here's what it would look like if Unknown is the last Mafia member:

Kidnapper x 2 (Wahd and Unknown)
Bodyguard (Calix)
Lookout x 2 (SuperJack and Mesk)
Citizen x 3 (Iced Monopoly, Yuki, and DarknessB)
Executioner (Firebringer)

This setup makes absolutely no sense and would be terrible for a Beginner's Game. Double Kidnapper makes no sense from a balance perspective. If the Mafia succeeded in a no-lynch, we're talking about 2 KPN because of the factional Mafia kill and the Kidnapper execution. The Mafia could do this for two straight nights (given the other Kidnapper) meaning FOUR kills. POD isn't nutty enough to allow for that because it would singlehandedly decide the game based on no-lynches.

Also, this setup is very unbalanced given the Town has two Lookouts -- basically 1/3 of the Town gets canvassed during any night, which means the Mafia factional kill has a larger chance of being noticed.

Moreover, there's NO way that Kidnappers and Lookouts can determine ANYTHING about each other based on night feedback! There are no counterclaimable roles for sure, Lookouts detect visitors, but Kidnapper's jalining doesn't even count as a visit. This setup makes no sense from a balancing perspective, and doesn't give any sort of counterclaiming dynamic like the last one. There's simply no way POD would run this. Remember this game is called "Back to Normalcy" -- i.e. POD would much more likely run a customary setup than something bizarre like this.

Conclusion: Please just vote Mesk so we can win this game. There's no other option that makes sense. It's not Iced Monopoly or Yuki, and it's not Unknown. Vote Mesk if you want to win, Town.

Yuki, I know you trust me, especially given the lack of policy lynch -- so I'm depending on you here. Iced, you have a good head on your shoulders -- please do what is obvious. Unknown, I know you were hesitant before -- please don't get caught up in stupid night actions. Just lynch Mesk and win this for us.

Good luck and please don't let me down or you will be hearing from me during the post-game.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Honestly, I'm quite shocked on SuperJack's flip.

There was 9 of us right?

is the setup:

2 body guards
2 citizens
2 lookouts
2 kidnappers
execution

Where does the 2nd BG come from?
Why are you assuming its a 2nd cit and 2nd kidnapper, arent you considering im scum like unknown is?

[DarknessB]

-vote Mesk514

[DarknessB]

Everyone read my Last Will and comment please.

[Mesk514]

but, but....


I AM MESK I AM ALWAYS TOWN

[DarknessB]

but, but....


I AM MESK I AM ALWAYS TOWN

I know, Mesk -- you're fun to play with, but in this case, you are clearly scum. I am sorry.

[Mesk514]

rip me i guess, how did i lose to unknown again?

[DarknessB]

rip me i guess, how did i lose to unknown again?

Well, in this case, he rolled Town and you rolled scum. You guys had a terrible start with Whad.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Everyone read my Last Will and comment please.

As much as I agree with your LW and that it aligns with the name of the game, Unknown continues to rub me as Scum

rip me i guess, how did i lose to unknown again?

But this pretty much seals the deal right?

[DarknessB]

Is darkness not a citizen?

Yes, I'm a Citizen. It really doesn't matter since we're in LYLO unless we skip. This also makes sense in terms of there being 3 Citizens and 3 TPRs.

[DarknessB]

As much as I agree with your LW and that it aligns with the name of the game, Unknown continues to rub me as Scum



But this pretty much seals the deal right?

Unknown is poorly playing / new Town. He was also hesitant to vote yesterday. He was likely pushing no lynches because he feels antsy about not being able to jail since he's Jailor. You were effectively a named Citizen this game, Unknown. Please take your win and vote for Mesk.

[Unknown1234]

-vote Mesk514

-vote skip

[DarknessB]

-vote skip

Dude, I am VERY disappointed in you. Really, stop overdepending on night actions and vote for the obvious scum.

[Unknown1234]

Dude, I am VERY disappointed in you. Really, stop overdepending on night actions and vote for the obvious scum.

And if it is Iced...?

[DarknessB]

And if it is Iced...?

Read my setup spec. Do you really think that POD would give us 2 Lookouts for 6 Town? That gives us like a 1/3 chance of catching scum with any investigation. There are no two Lookouts. Mesk hasn't even given us her feedback. Holy shit man.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Dude, I am VERY disappointed in you. Really, stop overdepending on night actions and vote for the obvious scum.

Im just not really interested in sitting through 24hrs of night just to get a jailing execution popped off

[DarknessB]

Im just not really interested in sitting through 24hrs of night just to get a jailing execution popped off

This. Vote Mesk and end the game.

[Unknown1234]

-vote Mesk514

[Unknown1234]

This. Vote Mesk and end the game.

I blame u

[DarknessB]

-vote Mesk514

Thank you. Iced, please end this.

[DarknessB]

I blame u

I will take responsibility if we lose the game.

[Iced_Monopoly]

This. Vote Mesk and end the game.

The only thing thats troubling me is the setup spec, it seems way to easy... If a lookout dies, then we have an agent? It seems overly obvious on who to lynch unless scum hides as citizens. But alas, I am inclined to believe its mesk, given Unknown still demanding to jail.

-vote Mesk514

[The Godfather]

Mesk514 has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Mesk514 (3 [L-0]): DarknessB, Unknown1234, Iced_Monopoly

[powerofdeath]

MESK WAS LYNCHED, HE WAS AGENT!

THE TOWN HAS WON!

CONGRATULATION TO CALIX, YUKITAKA ONI, ICED_MONOPOLY, UNKNOWN1234, DARKNESSB, AND AIVION!

[Iced_Monopoly]

There we go

[DarknessB]

POD trolled me and told me I had lost the game for the Town after we lynched Mesk -- goddamn you, POD, lol.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Calix is disappointed this town for not lynching Mesk

[DarknessB]

Calix is disappointed this town for not lynching Mesk

We did lynch Mesk though?

[DarknessB]

See, Yuki -- isn't it more fun to be on the same team than me trying to policy lynch you?

[Yukitaka Oni]

We did lynch Mesk though?

Mesk make the same mistake like i did in mafia camp
The spam post i am town

[DarknessB]

Mesk make the same mistake like i did in mafia camp
The spam post i am town

Typically, people who chant that they are Town are often not Town, lol. Though, FB was Town in Camp Mafia and we lynched him for chanting that...

[Yukitaka Oni]

See, Yuki -- isn't it more fun to be on the same team than me trying to policy lynch you?

No ^)O.o)^!!!! I am mastermind ^)O.o)> v(o.o(v i must be evil
We can never be on the same team!!!!! Same team only make the game too easy ^)O.o)>!!!

[Yukitaka Oni]

Typically, people who chant that they are Town are often not Town, lol. Though, FB was Town in Camp Mafia and we lynched him for chanting that...

Report POD for making all scum newbie. Imbalance to fight again lel