S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

[ika]

no please dont

i dont plan on it unless it becomes needed. knowing most of the playerlist here nobody probally has the idea that i do the noly perosn that is the ? is cass cuys she has no 3rd party games that i ama ware of

[Gyrlander]

Gyrlander, it appears it is physically impossible to dredge out a reason that justifies pressuring you in this setup. So, I'm gonna truce.

-unvote

I won't stop though. Every game you sign for with me I'll dedicate myself to pushing you. I don't give a fuck if I burn my own credibility and I become completely unable to exert real pressure. I refuse to just accept this as "site meta". Obviously I have nothing personal against your play style - this just happens to be mine.

So get hyped for the next game we're in together =3

This looks promising... I just hope that I don't role scum lol. I will truly enjoy the game if we're both genuine town ;)

[ika]

I like this reasoning from Ika wrt Mesk.
I also think the branching out in the later reads post cancels out the possi-sus wrt sheepy vote on Quick.


I thought too much about this post. First impression had it as Towny lean for not launching into explanation but eh /shrug, probably null.



I do this too when I have time, and don't hate it as a strategy

Can you expand on reasoning wrt stealthbomber?

What if anything do you make of Mesk's repeated push on Quick and Yzb's insistence on lynching possible conversion candidate over scum?

FTR activity is pretty alignment null for me, I tend to post what I can when I'm around, but availability is erratic, regardless of what I rand.


FTR I have Ika trending up from responses and recent interactions/tone.

steal last game in deathnote called me scum for doing jack shit. i was town

stealth also in that game was doing stuff. he said he has RL and would be free next week after. while i dont quesiton the RL i find it funny hes not doing anythign right now and i find it scummy cus i know he can apply himself

every town gaem she claims cit/pr. eveery scum game she does not (yes she already refrenced the fm annon game but its still vaild) intill proven otherwise im gonna take it for face vaule. mesk has a 75/25 shot at being right form what i have seen (in favor of lynchign scum) so i am willing to go with her on day one. also quick has not done anything that sticks out to me as "omg its town" or "omg its scum" so sorting a null would be good. if he comes on i qould like to talk and interact with @Quick and see. i tend to be able to read him fairly accurate

ill comment on the yzb thing shortly i will be responding to his later post and should answer it

[ika]

besides the large FM, it's been a really long time since I've played scum lol

thats the game im refering to actualy. annon or not its s till a scum game IMO

[ika]

Gyrlander, it appears it is physically impossible to dredge out a reason that justifies pressuring you in this setup. So, I'm gonna truce.

-unvote

I won't stop though. Every game you sign for with me I'll dedicate myself to pushing you. I don't give a fuck if I burn my own credibility and I become completely unable to exert real pressure. I refuse to just accept this as "site meta". Obviously I have nothing personal against your play style - this just happens to be mine.

So get hyped for the next game we're in together =3

so @yzb25 want to explain to me why in this game you decide it was a good idea to try to lynch someone you arte town reading?

like your literal post before this has been adressed already by others but what is going on in your mind? i see nothing but chain lynching and litarly an easy out for anything you have done if it is to be town. i question your motives and your logic and how it can be town

-vote yzb25

[yzb25]

you relaize this is the dumbest thing ever right and that any good cult player would never do that

Obviously not or I wouldn't have said it >.> I guess we should avoid discussing that deeply anyway.

[ika]

Obviously not or I wouldn't have said it >.> I guess we should avoid discussing that deeply anyway.

then why do you attack me for not talking about it?

[yzb25]

so @yzb25 want to explain to me why in this game you decide it was a good idea to try to lynch someone you arte town reading?

like your literal post before this has been adressed already by others but what is going on in your mind? i see nothing but chain lynching and litarly an easy out for anything you have done if it is to be town. i question your motives and your logic and how it can be town

-vote yzb25

I respect getting scumread for doing that. A non-town-agenda influenced my actions, so it's natural to have a "now he's making excuses to justify his actions" attitude. But I'm not simply pushing opportunistic reads and making excuses wherever I can and chain lynching.

____

Anyway, my original SB scumread makes less sense now, because he's no longer trying acting indifferent about the game - his tone has markedly shifted. You could make an argument that he's scum flipflopping, but it feels more plausible he realized he was fucking up as town and is taking things more seriously.

FB's posts are towny but they're within his ability to fabricate as scum. In fact, his play so far reminds me heavily of SFM school-serial-killer-policemen or whatever it was called.

[yzb25]

then why do you attack me for not talking about it?

I fucked up in understanding the strategy and stuff surrounding this setup. Your approach was correct, but at the time I failed to realize that. I "attacked you" about it as a result. I then made another post defending my perspective, and only afterwards realized I fucked up.

There isn't an inconsistency there.

[ika]

I respect getting scumread for doing that. A non-town-agenda influenced my actions, so it's natural to have a "now he's making excuses to justify his actions" attitude. But I'm not simply pushing opportunistic reads and making excuses wherever I can and chain lynching.

____

Anyway, my original SB scumread makes less sense now, because he's no longer trying acting indifferent about the game - his tone has markedly shifted. You could make an argument that he's scum flipflopping, but it feels more plausible he realized he was fucking up as town and is taking things more seriously.

FB's posts are towny but they're within his ability to fabricate as scum. In fact, his play so far reminds me heavily of SFM school-serial-killer-policemen or whatever it was called.

i find the gry PL to be opertunisitic in the sense that he gets myslynched as town and lynched as scum often enough that if hes is indeed scum he would not make endgame. you calling him town but pushing him is what i see as opertunistic.

for the stealth read, while i agree on the scum read you seemed to have set it up in a fashion that if he is cult leader and culted you or is town you have enough way to either
A) work your way out of scum reading him and into defending him based on his RL timing
B) still justify lynching him and then shrug it off if your wrong (and probally put blame elsewhere)

your agenda of "PL gry then SB who is my CL read" is a sense of chain lynching becasue you are setting up a town flip first then a potential second one and if you are CL (like i think) then its a perfect opertunity to get 2 free conversion on players of your choice so it goes into a 3v4

I fucked up in understanding the strategy and stuff surrounding this setup. Your approach was correct, but at the time I failed to realize that. I "attacked you" about it as a result. I then made another post defending my perspective, and only afterwards realized I fucked up.

There isn't an inconsistency there.

im not saying its an inconsitency im saying its akward that you did such a thing and that your only now realzigin it and FMPOV looks like your trying to backtrack it by saying "ya i fucked up"

[ika]

oh for someone who said why i sgined for a game thats not really mafia (yes mafia is an INFORMED MINORITY aka 2 or more people) i did it becasue its a cult game and cults are never around enough.

if this was a sk only who just killed or something i would probally argued it more but seeing how about 99% of everything i say is disregarded by staff i find it moot point to bring up untill the game is underway.

[Gyrlander]

oh for someone who said why i sgined for a game thats not really mafia (yes mafia is an INFORMED MINORITY aka 2 or more people) i did it becasue its a cult game and cults are never around enough.

if this was a sk only who just killed or something i would probally argued it more but seeing how about 99% of everything i say is disregarded by staff i find it moot point to bring up untill the game is underway.

I DO NOT CONSENT!!11!!1

[yzb25]

I'll leave my vote here

-vote Firebringer

simply because I can't think of a better place to put it right now.

It may sound stupid, but the way SB responded to one of my posts twice as if the first time he was unassumingly responding to me and then the second time he was like "oh shit no actually I have a problem with this" gave me a townvibe. I can see the scum perspective in returning to the post and being like "hmm I can use this to fabricate an attack", but the town!perspective feels more plausible.

Ika looks like he's playing as a competent town all-around too. I also felt like the Cass questions might have been a means to avoid meaningful contribution, but he has since shown he has no problem with giving meaningful contributions.

Quick has done jackshit and may get in and act scummy af. But I feel comfortable with Gyr and SP too. It's dirty, but due to host meta I can't imagine Mattzed letting Cass be scum. And those town-emotion gifs aren't the kind of thing you think to fabricate as scum to get townread unless you're really out there.

[ika]

I DO NOT CONSENT!!11!!1

you cant consent.

[Mesk514]

mattzed would not make fb the cultist. come on

[yzb25]

i find the gry PL to be opertunisitic in the sense that he gets myslynched as town and lynched as scum often enough that if hes is indeed scum he would not make endgame. you calling him town but pushing him is what i see as opertunistic.

for the stealth read, while i agree on the scum read you seemed to have set it up in a fashion that if he is cult leader and culted you or is town you have enough way to either
A) work your way out of scum reading him and into defending him based on his RL timing
B) still justify lynching him and then shrug it off if your wrong (and probally put blame elsewhere)

your agenda of "PL gry then SB who is my CL read" is a sense of chain lynching becasue you are setting up a town flip first then a potential second one and if you are CL (like i think) then its a perfect opertunity to get 2 free conversion on players of your choice so it goes into a 3v4

Admitting you townread your train while you push it definitely ain't an opportunistic mislynch. If I was trying to push an opportunistic mislynch, I'd smear as much shit as I could. And Gyr is not an easy train to push.

You're implying I specifically tailored the argument to be logically sound from town POV AND give me a strategic edge. You're pushing it now.

This would be a very bad strategy as CL. Betting on successfully pushing a Gyr PL train then following up with a SB train, and setting this as your strategy 6 pages in is insane. Besides, CL has minions to do the grunt work!

im not saying its an inconsitency im saying its akward that you did such a thing and that your only now realzigin it and FMPOV looks like your trying to backtrack it by saying "ya i fucked up"

I still don't see the scum perspective. The fact it took me so long to realize it was wrong is an intelligence-tell not an alignment-tell heheh. Are you implying I was aware I was wrong but I lied about it?

[yzb25]

mattzed would not make fb the cultist. come on

Clearing FB with host meta is excessive. It's certainly plausible he'd get given it. He gets entrusted with scum a lot.

[ika]

Admitting you townread your train while you push it definitely ain't an opportunistic mislynch. If I was trying to push an opportunistic mislynch, I'd smear as much shit as I could. And Gyr is not an easy train to push.

in normal mafia games i could agree, in single scum games of anything i find it scummy as fuck. opertunistic is pushing someone who cna be lynched not about the smearing. im not starting smatical stuff so im dropping it there

and yes he is an easy train to do if people wanted. should i remind you of bannachoo push and his PL?

You're implying I specifically tailored the argument to be logically sound from town POV AND give me a strategic edge. You're pushing it now.

not exactly? im saying your arguments gives you a lot of ways to go either direction of backing out and moving elsewhere or pushing foward. neevr said it was a town POV. i do put foward that both can be town and CL oriented but i find it to be more CL oriented overall.

This would be a very bad strategy as CL. Betting on successfully pushing a Gyr PL train then following up with a SB train, and setting this as your strategy 6 pages in is insane. Besides, CL has minions to do the grunt work!
CL has no recuits on day 1 and relying on cultist to do the grunt work is fallicious. not only that its not a bad start to try to chain lynches as a single scum and set yourself up with little to no drawback on reasons.



I still don't see the scum perspective. The fact it took me so long to realize it was wrong is an intelligence-tell not an alignment-tell heheh. Are you implying I was aware I was wrong but I lied about it?

i do. i find it that its just flat out backtracking. i dont know what your scum games as solo scum are like so saying its not a alignment tell is moot point. if wanted to pull off a crypt i would say its a bunch of shitty wifom

[ika]

Clearing FB with host meta is excessive. It's certainly plausible he'd get given it. He gets entrusted with scum a lot.

so is he scum off host meata or something else? i mena your reason you stated is "well i cant think of anyobody else"

[ika]

Hey quick is online

[Quick]

so @yzb25 want to explain to me why in this game you decide it was a good idea to try to lynch someone you arte town reading?

like your literal post before this has been adressed already by others but what is going on in your mind? i see nothing but chain lynching and litarly an easy out for anything you have done if it is to be town. i question your motives and your logic and how it can be town

-vote yzb25

Wrong. yzb is Town here.

[ika]

Wrong. yzb is Town here.

Obvious question on why

[Quick]

you cant consent.

LMAO.

[Quick]

Reads in this post:

Obvious question on why

Because he's playing way too pro-town. He also is bringing new shit in here and its good stuff.

So far for Town, I have:

yzb
Mesk
stealth
Cass

Based on this, going to vote:

-vote Firebringer

Could also go SP

[ika]

Reads in this post:



Because he's playing way too pro-town. He also is bringing new shit in here and its good stuff.

So far for Town, I have:

yzb
Mesk
stealth
Cass

Based on this, going to vote:

-vote Firebringer

Could also go SP

How is he playing pro-town? If you think those posts in question are pro town go ahead and show me cus those are some of the most anti-town post/agenda pushing I have seen

[ika]

This also means refuting my points that I have made

[Quick]

How is he playing pro-town? If you think those posts in question are pro town go ahead and show me cus those are some of the most anti-town post/agenda pushing I have seen

He pretty much explains his full thought process. That's what I am looking at.

[yzb25]

in normal mafia games i could agree, in single scum games of anything i find it scummy as fuck. opertunistic is pushing someone who cna be lynched not about the smearing. im not starting smatical stuff so im dropping it there

and yes he is an easy train to do if people wanted. should i remind you of bannachoo push and his PL?

You're arguing I'm pushing Gyr with the intention of actually lynching him, yes? So why would I say I townread him if I want him lynched? How does that benefit me?

Yes, any train is easy "if people wanted". But Gyr has host meta protection, history of mislynch protection, and town gutread protection. He is not an easy lynch. Referencing a PL from months ago doesn't bolster your point.

not exactly? im saying your arguments gives you a lot of ways to go either direction of backing out and moving elsewhere or pushing foward. neevr said it was a town POV. i do put foward that both can be town and CL oriented but i find it to be more CL oriented overall.

You're arguing that it sounds more plausible I'm a CL who engineered the read to be flexible so I can pivot later to suit my agenda.

Spoiler : The read :

SB seemed to "care" a bit more about avoiding being a piece of shit that says nothing game-related. The way he dropped in and did nothing but a shitpost seemed like an open provocation - a sort of "Yeah. I'm here. I'm reading. But I'm not going to contribute. #dealwithit"

It felt like he's only pretending to be an apathetic, disinterested town though, esp. after his recent post:

He's clearly addressing criticisms leveled at him / defending himself, but simultaneously adopting a nonchalant tone about the criticisms. If he doesn't care about the scumreads on him, why does he feel the need to make his only other post about addressing minor, non-threatening concerns, rather than a read or even another shitpost? Makes it look fake.

In a setup like this, it's particularly beneficial as cult leader to wait a while before pushing an agenda, because you haven't even locked in your teammates yet.

Enough hand-waving. Specifically point out how this looks more like a wishywashy flipflopping CL setting up his agenda rather than a genuine read with genuine reasons, because I still don't see it.

CL has no recuits on day 1 and relying on cultist to do the grunt work is fallicious. not only that its not a bad start to try to chain lynches as a single scum and set yourself up with little to no drawback on reasons.

There's so little to be gained from trying to prepare two consecutive mislynches from page 6, and so much put on the line if you fuck up. It seems like a pretty bad start to me.

i do. i find it that its just flat out backtracking. i dont know what your scum games as solo scum are like so saying its not a alignment tell is moot point. if wanted to pull off a crypt i would say its a bunch of shitty wifom

No, you're missing the point. Admitting you're wrong about setup strategy is NAI - this has nothing to do with meta. It is not backtracking.

[Quick]

Not liking that Ika doesn't see how yzb is Town, honestly. also don't like the "wtf is this shit" attitude I am getting from him.

[yzb25]

He pretty much explains his full thought process. That's what I am looking at.

The first few points he made I could appreciate, but I feel like he's getting caught up in the argument now and starting to tunnel, in the usual ika-fashion.

I need to sleep.

[ika]

Not liking that Ika doesn't see how yzb is Town, honestly. also don't like the "wtf is this shit" attitude I am getting from him.

its not a wtf is this shit attitude. its more of "show me where i am wrong about it not being pro-cult"

you can fcuking vote me if you dislike it

[Quick]

its not a wtf is this shit attitude. its more of "show me where i am wrong about it not being pro-cult"

you can fcuking vote me if you dislike it

The second line contradicts the first.

[ika]

You're arguing I'm pushing Gyr with the intention of actually lynching him, yes? So why would I say I townread him if I want him lynched? How does that benefit me?

it allows you to abolish yourself of blame. you said its a PL lynch its a very easy thing to hid behind

Yes, any train is easy "if people wanted". But Gyr has host meta protection, history of mislynch protection, and town gutread protection. He is not an easy lynch. Referencing a PL from months ago doesn't bolster your point.

nor do any of your points becasue you are generalizing the statement to be applied to anyone. im refering to an actual history of gry just bieng myslynched in general for what he does.



You're arguing that it sounds more plausible I'm a CL who engineered the read to be flexible so I can pivot later to suit my agenda.

thats what i think yes.

Spoiler : The read :

SB seemed to "care" a bit more about avoiding being a piece of shit that says nothing game-related. The way he dropped in and did nothing but a shitpost seemed like an open provocation - a sort of "Yeah. I'm here. I'm reading. But I'm not going to contribute. #dealwithit"

It felt like he's only pretending to be an apathetic, disinterested town though, esp. after his recent post:

He's clearly addressing criticisms leveled at him / defending himself, but simultaneously adopting a nonchalant tone about the criticisms. If he doesn't care about the scumreads on him, why does he feel the need to make his only other post about addressing minor, non-threatening concerns, rather than a read or even another shitpost? Makes it look fake.

In a setup like this, it's particularly beneficial as cult leader to wait a while before pushing an agenda, because you haven't even locked in your teammates yet.

Enough hand-waving. Specifically point out how this looks more like a wishywashy flipflopping CL setting up his agenda rather than a genuine read with genuine reasons, because I still don't see it.



There's so little to be gained from trying to prepare two consecutive mislynches from page 6, and so much put on the line if you fuck up. It seems like a pretty bad start to me.

wifom point is wifom. there is much more to be gained form setting that up then you are making it out to be



No, you're missing the point. Admitting you're wrong about setup strategy is NAI - this has nothing to do with meta. It is not backtracking.

you said its an intelligence point not a tell point. therefore you are saying its meta that you are using. the matter of the fact is that you cant aruge something is NAI without it becoming a wifom argument. and i dont recall any town games where this has happened so your point is still at best wifom itself.

it backtracking

[ika]

The second line contradicts the first.

your clearly missing context cus even if it is i dont care. you should know of all people contractictions are things i do no matter what and dont give a shit about

[ika]

im asking you to explain why the post i am questioning are not pro-cult and instead pro-town when i have clearly explained why it is.

so either answer me directly with reasons or ill take it that your just trying to defend him cus hes now an easy target for his mistakes

[Quick]

Town read on Ika, I think he is just getting wrapped up in a tunnel, honestly.

[Mesk514]

Town read on Ika, I think he is just getting wrapped up in a tunnel, honestly.

honestly, this is another one of those town block games. as long as Ika and I aren't lynched then Town will win the game.
It will be painfully obvious if one of us was converted anyways.

So with that being said, i choose you pikachu

-vote Quick

[Mesk514]

screw the scrub that's gonna try and convert me tonight to make me lose. can't convert a mason leader.

[Quick]

honestly, this is another one of those town block games. as long as Ika and I aren't lynched then Town will win the game.
It will be painfully obvious if one of us was converted anyways.

So with that being said, i choose you pikachu

-vote Quick

I thought your vote was already on me???

[Cass]

every game she has claimed cit/pr she has been town, every time she has played scum she has not claimed cit. outside of that ive seen enough form her to kinda know what to expect (espcially scince last gzme she ws scum i was catching onto her)

yes random votes are more or less a thing they tend to be more conslidated near EOD

i think the only one i would know fully know would be yzb becasue apprently he does know how to apply himself but that might be only when hes not under an alignment. everyone else i would at least have a small baseline for what i would be expecting as town/scum

Rereading, Ika can you explain what you expect differences to be between TownMesk/ScumMesk and TownYzb/ScumYzb?

And any other players?

steal last game in deathnote called me scum for doing jack shit. i was town

stealth also in that game was doing stuff. he said he has RL and would be free next week after. while i dont quesiton the RL i find it funny hes not doing anythign right now and i find it scummy cus i know he can apply himself

every town gaem she claims cit/pr. eveery scum game she does not (yes she already refrenced the fm annon game but its still vaild) intill proven otherwise im gonna take it for face vaule. mesk has a 75/25 shot at being right form what i have seen (in favor of lynchign scum) so i am willing to go with her on day one. also quick has not done anything that sticks out to me as "omg its town" or "omg its scum" so sorting a null would be good. if he comes on i qould like to talk and interact with @Quick and see. i tend to be able to read him fairly accurate

ill comment on the yzb thing shortly i will be responding to his later post and should answer it

Ta.

Thoughts on Firebringer's pop in-pop out? Is that usual for them as Town?

[ika]

Rereading, Ika can you explain what you expect differences to be between TownMesk/ScumMesk and TownYzb/ScumYzb?

And any other players?




Ta.

Thoughts on Firebringer's pop in-pop out? Is that usual for them as Town?

mesk is kinda said in that post you quoted. i would expect her to not claim citizen/pr

anyone else its hard to say definitvily becasue at this point anyone can say anything that could be done by town. remmeber it is single scum so they have no allies and have nothing more to do then look town and not be lynched.

if you want me to answer still what i expect of them as town and scum (in a more general practice becasue here i cant apply everything i would be using) i can

alos quick not following up on my questions or refuting my points is not good.

i have 3 scum reads and only one of them can be scum.......

this is why i hate single scum games as well.

[ika]

as for fires pop in and out its more nulll if anyhting cus he does it as both town and scum (and prob 3rd party)

[Cass]

Those were some loaded questions there. (especially when you preface them like that)
What I was "looking for with [my] questions" should have been very obvious.

This is how our conversation went:
Me: Hi. How was your day?
Cass: Fine.
Me: ...
Cass: ....
Me: (So is she going to tell me about her day or will she ask me how my day was?) ...
Cass: .... I think you're weird.
Me: :/

To answer your question directly, I asked those questions because I wanted to get to know you better. Mesk would say that is because I am male, and I would say it is because I need to find out people's personalities before getting a read on them. Both of which are true. I was helped to get a sort of insight and lean.

Those 'new' comments should be logically sound. And I was under the impression you understood, which makes me wonder why you ask about it.
If you insist, it must mean you don't (?) I said those new comments because
1. determining a player's experience is vital to forming a read on them
2. not having to go around explaining why new players should be read differently saves me a lot of typing
2a. I'm lazy
2b. changing how other people find find is not a priority right now

I'm quite amazed how quickly your tone changed.

WRT the questions you asked
As I see it, both the possible Town and possible Scum motivations for your early questions were pretty obvious, yeah - and I think I already mentioned that I could see it going either way?

At that point, it's not about me sussing you, it's about digging further. It's me trying to figure out how you think and get content on the table.

Hence the change in tone. I don't necessarily think the questions you asked would ever provide alignment indicative answers, but I was curious about your thought process and intent. And that's some seriously serious business right there right now!

The point of asking you about them is to try and follow your thought process after you ask them - to determine if they were more likely to be meaningful and Town-orientated, or filler.
Insight into the bold so to speak. I think it's important to get insights and leans on record ITT (two reasons for this - i) it helps me piece together how I think you think and ii) both that and the record make it easier to hunt out possible scum-motivated anomalies later on).

You haven't given me any insight into what (if anything) you got from the questions and tone change so I have less to go on with you than I hoped.



WRT the logic comments
I'm asking cos there's a progression ITT that I don't understand.

Your points above make sense in isolation, and ta for answering.

I'm confused about why you'd say that it's a good thing I'm new (for you), and then go on to explain that having new players is essentially bad (for you).

[Quick]

After further thought, Ika might be 3p here. His constant mention of how Cultist is different than Mafia is slightly Sus, I don't know why he keeps hammering on this. Also, his reads are really kinda wack. He's basically shooting off of Gyrlander, and no offence to them, but they typically aren't the type of person to sheep. I also feel Ika's case on yzb is incredibly weak. combine this with the comment Ika made of "then vote me" to me and I think this wraps up to be more than just circumstantial evidence.

-vote Ika

[Cass]

mesk is kinda said in that post you quoted. i would expect her to not claim citizen/pr

anyone else its hard to say definitvily becasue at this point anyone can say anything that could be done by town. remmeber it is single scum so they have no allies and have nothing more to do then look town and not be lynched.

if you want me to answer still what i expect of them as town and scum (in a more general practice becasue here i cant apply everything i would be using) i can

alos quick not following up on my questions or refuting my points is not good.

i have 3 scum reads and only one of them can be scum.......

this is why i hate single scum games as well.

First bold - yes please . Goes without saying that I'll take your answers with a grain or handful of salt, but I feel blind here as a meta player with no meta - be my crutch! Also has the advantage of giving others the chance/reason to weigh in and reduces wriggle room later, afaict.

WRT Quick, off the top of my head the latest posts look ok and show thought. If you're referencing the whole yzb thing (? I might be crossing stuff here, brain like a sieve) I don't disagree that yzb is probably Town (for now).

My current thought processes on it
- Pushing to lynch Gyr on that logic would be strange. I'm not certain that was the actual agenda, and can see possi-Town motivation in using the vote for pressure. Tone in the 'backtrack' needs more analysis maybe, but:

- Is it likely the only scum present is going to come in D1 and make waves like that, or are they more likely to go softly-softly? Could be either, but imo the latter is more likely.
- He's been very open about his thought process and VERY vocal about people getting their thoughts and impressions down ITT so they can be pushed for inconsistencies later.
- His play has several pushes at others encouraging good Town play. If he's scum he's DEEP

as for fires pop in and out its more nulll if anyhting cus he does it as both town and scum (and prob 3rd party)

Blah.

FTR Completely meta-void, I could vote here atp if nothing changes.
I generally find the style/entry leans more towards possi-Scum, but there are exemptions when the behaviour is known/player specific and honestly alignment null.

I've asked but how do I find links to his recent Town / Scum games?

[Cass]

After further thought, Ika might be 3p here. His constant mention of how Cultist is different than Mafia is slightly Sus, I don't know why he keeps hammering on this. Also, his reads are really kinda wack. He's basically shooting off of Gyrlander, and no offence to them, but they typically aren't the type of person to sheep. I also feel Ika's case on yzb is incredibly weak. combine this with the comment Ika made of "then vote me" to me and I think this wraps up to be more than just circumstantial evidence.

-vote Ika

There are 3ps?

[ika]

After further thought, Ika might be 3p here. His constant mention of how Cultist is different than Mafia is slightly Sus, I don't know why he keeps hammering on this. Also, his reads are really kinda wack. He's basically shooting off of Gyrlander, and no offence to them, but they typically aren't the type of person to sheep. I also feel Ika's case on yzb is incredibly weak. combine this with the comment Ika made of "then vote me" to me and I think this wraps up to be more than just circumstantial evidence.

-vote Ika

you really think im sheeping gyr? if you were reading (and sheeping) it would be mesk i would be sheeping.

you have nto refuted anything i have said either nor made anything to rebuttle my case

[ika]

First bold - yes please . Goes without saying that I'll take your answers with a grain or handful of salt, but I feel blind here as a meta player with no meta - be my crutch! Also has the advantage of giving others the chance/reason to weigh in and reduces wriggle room later, afaict.

WRT Quick, off the top of my head the latest posts look ok and show thought. If you're referencing the whole yzb thing (? I might be crossing stuff here, brain like a sieve) I don't disagree that yzb is probably Town (for now).

My current thought processes on it
- Pushing to lynch Gyr on that logic would be strange. I'm not certain that was the actual agenda, and can see possi-Town motivation in using the vote for pressure. Tone in the 'backtrack' needs more analysis maybe, but:

- Is it likely the only scum present is going to come in D1 and make waves like that, or are they more likely to go softly-softly? Could be either, but imo the latter is more likely.
- He's been very open about his thought process and VERY vocal about people getting their thoughts and impressions down ITT so they can be pushed for inconsistencies later.
- His play has several pushes at others encouraging good Town play. If he's scum he's DEEP




Blah.

FTR Completely meta-void, I could vote here atp if nothing changes.
I generally find the style/entry leans more towards possi-Scum, but there are exemptions when the behaviour is known/player specific and honestly alignment null.

I've asked but how do I find links to his recent Town / Scum games?

give me 30 mins to compile the player lsit and a post. im multi tasking right now

for the games on fire you can go to mafia wars 3 for scum game and a calix game for town

i dunno the name offhand

[ika]

you really think im sheeping gyr? if you were reading (and i was sheeping) it would be mesk i would be sheeping.

you have nto refuted anything i have said either nor made anything to rebuttle my case

fixed

[Cass]

yzb, your intentions are misplaced. I get what you're getting at, but the thing is if you believe he is not the cult leader we never have to lynch Gyrlander this game. It's not in our win condition.
You speak as though if scum converted Gyrlander he would "harrow" us for the rest of the game, but this is not true. If he doesn't participate in a way we understand, he will hold no influence.

Your tone change bothers me because it bothers me. Legit do not want to explain this.

Mislynching a town player simply means we didn't lynch the cult leader. That is all.

@secondpassing ,

I could have wires crossed here if your second post is specifically wrt D1, and I agree that it's not specifically wincon, but the way I read game setup, lynching a cultist can still be a valuable move for Town in the absence of lynching the CL, because it prevents the CL from converting another player that night.


Tone change was touched up on in last post.
Noting that you don't want to explain, but the fact that you're bothered but not interested in working towards better understanding is for now.