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    Good morning
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  4. ISO #1004

  5. ISO #1005

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    For the record, I think you are non-illuminati mafia because of Matt's play. It fits perfectly: scummy but highly pro-town early on with what really looked like scumhunting (because he wanted to find potential illuminati), fits in a mafia team with Renegade really well interactions-wise. Also, you're saying "my stance on things is rather artificial". I have no idea why people always say that about my play when I'm just being myself, but anyway, it'd be nice to elaborate on this, I guess.
    Well then you are wrong MM and this is why I asked Martin to check you or YZB here.

    MattZed was misunderstood so bad that he ended up playing slightly different and this shouldn't justify you or yzb to gaslight him/me for it. I am almost done with my ISO on you and there is a chance you are town but NONE OF YOU think about the dangers of losing the game if night actions go wrong.

  6. ISO #1006

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    Let's just assume we are indeed playing an Illuminati setup:

    If MM is town then Renegade is most possibly a ML for town today because it is obvious if Renegade is gettin lynched here with "Mafia"+illuminati pushing then it means AUwt could really be illumniati. YZB suggesting Auwt to be night killed by CT is self explanatory. This means Auwt is most likely pink or green here by the Martin check + yzb bussing Auwt.


    This is why I asked martin to check MM or yzb instead of shooting Auwt. Because VIGILANTE can shoot Auwt here and we can actually check which one of you is the other illuminati.



    I am sure me, SB and Frinckles are town here. I am just not sure if mesk or MM is town. One of you is town and other is Illuminati if this is illuminati setup.

    This is why vigilante is shooting Auwt either way and Martin is checking one in MM/YZB because if we do 3 NK's at night and GF is still alive or any potential mayor is alive then this game could end. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AS TOWN. GOT IT????


    I want you people to trust me in this, for at least tonight and show you what I mean. This is pretty much obvious that if we are in non-illuminati setup and renegade flips mafia = we win if renegade flips town = we can still win.


    If renegade flips pink mafia or we are just in illuminati setup then there is a big chance we lose this if I get voted out tomorrow as per YZB's solve. yzb solve looks almost perfect but in fact it isn't in an illuminati setup. They can win this if yzb is illuminati here with MM/Mesk/Renegade and Auwt. I would rather see Martin check yzb/MM instead of me but if Martin checks me tonight instead of them then I am fine with that too but that would be a waste of night action when I can just prove my role mechanically tonight. I don't need anyones protection during the day. IF there is a doc, they will heal me. If not then I am dying tonight to MAFIA(PINK/RED)

    IF there is an escort, do not RB me. I was never RB'd n1 btw I was only trying to see if an escort is going to claim because I know I am vigilante. While escort can be pink or green, I am always green here so yeah I was hunting for possible illuminatis earlier.

  7. ISO #1007

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    Martin should never recant here until he checks multiple people. If we are in illuminati setup then you guys should understand tomorrow is very important if the game isn't over at night then DO NOT VOTE TOMORROW. USE ALL THE TIME. DON'T DO WHAT OBERON DID LAST GAME!!!


    Please, do not vote tomorrow if you are town, that's all I am asking

  8. ISO #1008

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    Whenever you guys are ready to win, please @ me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
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    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
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    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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  10. ISO #1010

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Let's just assume we are indeed playing an Illuminati setup:

    If MM is town then Renegade is most possibly a ML for town today because it is obvious if Renegade is gettin lynched here with "Mafia"+illuminati pushing then it means AUwt could really be illumniati. YZB suggesting Auwt to be night killed by CT is self explanatory. This means Auwt is most likely pink or green here by the Martin check + yzb bussing Auwt.


    This is why I asked martin to check MM or yzb instead of shooting Auwt. Because VIGILANTE can shoot Auwt here and we can actually check which one of you is the other illuminati.



    I am sure me, SB and Frinckles are town here. I am just not sure if mesk or MM is town. One of you is town and other is Illuminati if this is illuminati setup.

    This is why vigilante is shooting Auwt either way and Martin is checking one in MM/YZB because if we do 3 NK's at night and GF is still alive or any potential mayor is alive then this game could end. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AS TOWN. GOT IT????


    I want you people to trust me in this, for at least tonight and show you what I mean. This is pretty much obvious that if we are in non-illuminati setup and renegade flips mafia = we win if renegade flips town = we can still win.


    If renegade flips pink mafia or we are just in illuminati setup then there is a big chance we lose this if I get voted out tomorrow as per YZB's solve. yzb solve looks almost perfect but in fact it isn't in an illuminati setup. They can win this if yzb is illuminati here with MM/Mesk/Renegade and Auwt. I would rather see Martin check yzb/MM instead of me but if Martin checks me tonight instead of them then I am fine with that too but that would be a waste of night action when I can just prove my role mechanically tonight. I don't need anyones protection during the day. IF there is a doc, they will heal me. If not then I am dying tonight to MAFIA(PINK/RED)

    IF there is an escort, do not RB me. I was never RB'd n1 btw I was only trying to see if an escort is going to claim because I know I am vigilante. While escort can be pink or green, I am always green here so yeah I was hunting for possible illuminatis earlier.
    I'm the doc, if I'm dead I can't heal you.

  11. ISO #1011

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    before I leave

    @MartinGG99


    What makes MM town for you? As I reread their posts, independently from ongoing claims; I find their D1 play quite scummy. His stance on things feel rather artificial.


    He reminds me of Zamdoc from our previous game. Very similar style imo.. That kind of play always pings to me "MAFIA ALERT" lol



    I am currently having MM posts on another tab and I am doing my best to see if this was really two townies looking after each other but I am not progressing on that world that much. I hope to see his answers when I bring a full list of questions to him as he requested a good case and not a pray tell
    Well, most of it is based off on the MZ + MM interactions earlier on D1. I don't think scum usually creates or gets into that kind of situation often. However, MZ (your slot) is being suspected as of late as a partner to Rene and I think he was the one who started saying he was mind-melding with MM a lot. Which could lend itself to being a possible scum fabrication of a "mindmeld" when it really wasn't.

    But, If MZ (your slot) is scum with Renegade as mafia alignment then honestly I think it looks better on MM because I think scum wouldn't open-wolf like that together. It would also imply, if there's illuminati, that MM isn't illuminati because fmpov since Renegade didn't participate, nor explain why he didn't participate, in the "If I am Mafia/Mason, I (do/don't) suspect my teammate" thingy, which just seems to suggest if there is illuminati in the mafia its probably Renegade.

    And if its renegade, then it 100% cannot be his mafia teammate that's illuminati. Therefore, if !Scum MZ then MM is basically spewed town from that in all setup worlds.

    But, as I've said, I haven't thought about MM too much. Often times that happens because nothing really pings me as scummy from them, or that I've been too lazy to fully read their (usually) paragraphs-long posts.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Well, most of it is based off on the MZ + MM interactions earlier on D1. I don't think scum usually creates or gets into that kind of situation often. However, MZ (your slot) is being suspected as of late as a partner to Rene and I think he was the one who started saying he was mind-melding with MM a lot. Which could lend itself to being a possible scum fabrication of a "mindmeld" when it really wasn't.

    But, If MZ (your slot) is scum with Renegade as mafia alignment then honestly I think it looks better on MM because I think scum wouldn't open-wolf like that together. It would also imply, if there's illuminati, that MM isn't illuminati because fmpov since Renegade didn't participate, nor explain why he didn't participate, in the "If I am Mafia/Mason, I (do/don't) suspect my teammate" thingy, which just seems to suggest if there is illuminati in the mafia its probably Renegade.

    And if its renegade, then it 100% cannot be his mafia teammate that's illuminati. Therefore, if !Scum MZ then MM is basically spewed town from that in all setup worlds.

    But, as I've said, I haven't thought about MM too much. Often times that happens because nothing really pings me as scummy from them, or that I've been too lazy to fully read their (usually) paragraphs-long posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25
    Here's how I think we should do this - We lynch renegade today, and then martin can shoot his check Auwt at night. Then, we try to be on for daystart tomorrow and lynch bakermir before mike can change the vote count for mayor (to avoid any mayor snipe shenaniganry). After that, I'm inclined to believe the illuminati is MM, but that doesn't matter. If all the mafias are dead, the final illuminati will have at most 2 votes with 4 players remaining. Martin can literally check all the remaining players one after the other before directing the final lynch.
    Just to check, you good with this plan?
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Just to check, you good with this plan?
    Yeah I'm definitely good with it if there's illuminati.

    I think.

    Problem is, is that is this is A/D and Renegade flips red then I could be screwing myself this game if we lynch mafia on d3 as well lol
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  16. ISO #1016

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Yeah I'm definitely good with it if there's illuminati.

    I think.

    Problem is, is that is this is A/D and Renegade flips red then I could be screwing myself this game if we lynch mafia on d3 as well lol
    And this is why I don't like the obscure win conditions

    Can easily lose 50/50 no matter what I do because neither setups are really confirmed

    Whereas for town its really straight forward; lynch whoever you think is scum.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  17. ISO #1017

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Yeah I'm definitely good with it if there's illuminati.

    I think.

    Problem is, is that is this is A/D and Renegade flips red then I could be screwing myself this game if we lynch mafia on d3 as well lol
    Yeah.

    That's a risk you have to weigh, and why you may decide to recant tonight if you think Auwt is town. I find it v hard to believe Auwt isn't illuminati after those recent posts tho LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  18. ISO #1018

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    whatsup, just finished my final exam! woohooo, ya girl got all 90s this semester. time to catch up
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  19. ISO #1019

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    whatsup, just finished my final exam! woohooo, ya girl got all 90s this semester. time to catch up
    Nerd :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  20. ISO #1020

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Yeah.

    That's a risk you have to weigh, and why you may decide to recant tonight if you think Auwt is town. I find it v hard to believe Auwt isn't illuminati after those recent posts tho LOL.
    I think I'm going to look at his past town games a bit more there.

    Its his reaction and/or treatment of Frinckles that I can't tell is more scummy than towny or not.

    GTH I thought he pressed his scum-reads (or fought for them) more. Back in our first game in the newbie game that happened in June I think, he was interacting a lot with Ash Lael (who was indeed a wolf but loltown lynched Auwt).

    Obviously, that was a first game thing so he may have changed a lot since then.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  21. ISO #1021

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I think I'm going to look at his past town games a bit more there.

    Its his reaction and/or treatment of Frinckles that I can't tell is more scummy than towny or not.

    GTH I thought he pressed his scum-reads (or fought for them) more. Back in our first game in the newbie game that happened in June I think, he was interacting a lot with Ash Lael (who was indeed a wolf but loltown lynched Auwt).

    Obviously, that was a first game thing so he may have changed a lot since then.
    I don't like the fact he spent his remaining motivation giving a long defense of a scumread on a dead town, that can effectively be summarized as "he was p much null until he made an opportunistic read on me", but that might be a player thing I suppose.

    I was mainly thinking of the giving up thing he last posted tho. He said "your" win - didn't include himself in it. And he sounds awfully bummed and defeatist given in his town world mafias are about to get lynched and he's about to get an ez win.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  22. ISO #1022

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I don't like the fact he spent his remaining motivation giving a long defense of a scumread on a dead town, that can effectively be summarized as "he was p much null until he made an opportunistic read on me", but that might be a player thing I suppose.

    I was mainly thinking of the giving up thing he last posted tho. He said "your" win - didn't include himself in it. And he sounds awfully bummed and defeatist given in his town world mafias are about to get lynched and he's about to get an ez win.
    He may have said that way back but looking at his most recent quote, I believe he said "whenever you guys" which I guess can still have the same argument made, but I don't think it's the same thing as said "when you're ready"
    Very confused by auwts slot though tbh
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  23. ISO #1023

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I don't like the fact he spent his remaining motivation giving a long defense of a scumread on a dead town, that can effectively be summarized as "he was p much null until he made an opportunistic read on me", but that might be a player thing I suppose.

    I was mainly thinking of the giving up thing he last posted tho. He said "your" win - didn't include himself in it. And he sounds awfully bummed and defeatist given in his town world mafias are about to get lynched and he's about to get an ez win.
    Tbh I should be sheeping you all game.

    My scum-hunting is all whack this game, and its not intentional I swear ;-;
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  24. ISO #1024

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Tbh I should be sheeping you all game.

    My scum-hunting is all whack this game, and its not intentional I swear ;-;
    Although, he didn't say "your"

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Whenever you guys are ready to win, please @ me.
    So uh point ignored
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  25. ISO #1025

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    ppl I was paraphrasing the "you guys". "you guys" does not include oneself. Goddammit ppl T_T
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  26. ISO #1026

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Tbh I should be sheeping you all game.

    My scum-hunting is all whack this game, and its not intentional I swear ;-;
    also I've been a mess this game too. I've missed so many critical details about the setup and at times magically fabricated my own details as you saw with the exe thing LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  27. ISO #1027

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    ppl I was paraphrasing the "you guys". "you guys" does not include oneself. Goddammit ppl T_T
    I would slightly argue otherwise as I'm pretty sure i have said the exact same thing as Auwt just did 101 times, if not more. It's just a slightly mute point imo
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  28. ISO #1028

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I would slightly argue otherwise as I'm pretty sure i have said the exact same thing as Auwt just did 101 times, if not more. It's just a slightly mute point imo
    There's also the possible language barrier that would add to that.

    Though I've been told in the past not to always trust language barriers.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I would slightly argue otherwise as I'm pretty sure i have said the exact same thing as Auwt just did 101 times, if not more. It's just a slightly mute point imo
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    There's also the possible language barrier that would add to that.

    Though I've been told in the past not to always trust language barriers.
    meh, fair
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  30. ISO #1030

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    Here's one thing that bothers me in thinking there's Illuminati:

    I don't trust bakermir's vigilante claim.

    I do think if MZ (Bakermir's slot) was vigilante his SoD2 would've been way different and paid MUCH more attention to the illuminati check.

    After all, he created this setup and I'm fairly sure he would've thought that Vigilante = Possible illuminati to give some balance to the town game.

    Otherwise a vig in A/D setups with a town-siding CT is just hell for the mafia tbh unless both the CT and Vigilante screw up.

    And there's this:

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    There's something incredibly fake about the Renegade-Mesk interactions right now. They're suspicious of each other but aren't voting it.

    Of the two, I'm *definitely* voting Mesk. She may have legit scumslipped by revealing that Renegade is "consig." We can find out when she dies if she's a consig or a purple sheriff who didn't read her rolecard. Mesk has been suspicious all game, and Renegade has generally been on the same page as me/MM. This isn't a hard vote for me, and it shouldn't be for the rest of y'all either.

    -vote Mesk514
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Auwt is offline right now, and I'm trying to put Mesk in the hotseat. We spent most of D1 without a single serious train building. Frinckles was TPR hunting and may have Illuminati slipped. He would have made a better yeet than a no-yeet, but the fact that the biggest train had so little evidence was shit.

    We're not doing that again today. If we just wait around to hear more from Auwt, we could be wasting half the day before we possibly come to realize we're just in setups A/D. I'd much rather have the question "how do we feel about Mesk v. Renegade?" settled BEFORE it's almost EoD.

    If Auwt looks like plausible Illuminati, we're yeeting him. But if he doesn't, I want a viable backup plan. Mesk has looked scummy all game. Even MM didn't give her a "too bad to be scum" pass like he did for DM. If Auwt is town, Mesk's flip could resolve the game.



    I really don't see how in the world you're distinguishing between the "too scummy to be scum" camp and "actually scum." Why was Mesk missing the context between us yesterday scummy but, say, DM asking us questions *we had already answered* wasn't?
    Doesn't seem like he's contemplating the setups all that much and tries to hard-push Mesk as illuminati. If MZ's slot is also mafia, I think this heavily implies that both mafia thought (or at least the non-illuminati one) that there isn't any illuminati and are instead preparing illuminati suspicions as scape goats. With Mesk being the more prominent threat.

    (I'm presuming Renegade for thinking his buddy, if he's mafia, as non-illuminati given his non-participation to Yzb25's idea)

    I also realize this probably means Frinckles wasn't vigilante (as per my earlier confbias suspicions) and he was either killed on n1 to throw off people's reads or simply fear killed to some degree.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Also, isn't Renegade like the only "I was role-blocked" claim? Or am I wrong about that?

    I mean, then on N2 bakermir tries to "shoot" someone but, OH NO IT LOOKS LIKE THE ILLUMINATI ESCORT PREVENTED ME

    THE ILLUMINATI ARE A REAL DEAL GUYS
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    IF there is an escort, do not RB me. I was never RB'd n1 btw I was only trying to see if an escort is going to claim because I know I am vigilante. While escort can be pink or green, I am always green here so yeah I was hunting for possible illuminatis earlier.
    He also puts size 4 on the "Escort" thing lol, and even prepares the "they could be pink" argument
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    I haven't bothered to share this, because I didn't think it was that relevant, but I think MZ/bakermir is the illuminati-mafia rather than Renegade. I just wasn't sure if I could convince you guys to lynch MZ/renegade over the actual red-check. the mafia/illuminati will be a player that half the game has a vested interest not to push day 1. A successful train on them (unless there's bussing) would require every town AND the conspiracy theorist to push through - in other words, it's a nearly impossible train. And the illuminati would be VERY determined to keep their illuminati in the mafia alive as he's the most critical member.

    MZ/bakermir fit the bill in my eyes as someone who was unjustifiably hard to lynch, given his scumminess, to the point it did seem like half the game conveniently had an excuse not to vote him (I remember Auwt commiting to a Frinckles vote then immediately going to bed without even acknowledging the MZ or taking any questions on his decision. He had already stated he believed there was a scum in MZ/MM, so why not even consider the train?). But I'll admit that's clouded by a lot of bias given most ppl tend to feel that way about their scumreads.

    Also, I can't help but wonder why Renegade wouldn't hop on the MZ train if he was really illuminati mafia, and showed absolutely no interest in doing so to "ensure at least some lynch goes through". If non-illuminati mafia got lynched d1, illuminati would have free reign over the nightkill. That's way too juicy not to be worth taking the gamble on, and tho MZ only came to L-2, you were still around to add your vote if someone else put him at L-1.

    I think if one person could convince their mafia teammate they're not illuminati, it'd be MZ. He understood this setup inside out and how to play it in such a way to give the indication to his teammate that he really is a non-illuminati mafia. I think renegade not replying to the question was a sign of growing doubt in his mind towards MZ after two ppl had crawled out the woodwork to give sheriff red checks. You have to get suspicious of a conspiracy to kill you and take the nightkill after that happens, or at least a conspiracy to off the consig and kill with impunity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    But whichever of rene or bakermir is illuminati isn't that important. That's the beauty in just lynching them both. No worries about accidentally keeping around the one that's illuminati.

    I guess the setup induces this kind of paranoia naturally, but there's too much shenaniganry for an illuminati to not exist. MM still hasn't done any serious push on a scumread the entire game. His reactions to things are towny, but that's it. He's been totally passive and his MZ read has morphed into a self-aware meme at this point. It's nothing like what he was doing last game as town, where he was pegging scums and raining hell. Maybe he's more busy, idk. Maybe Auwt also happened to be a natural illuminati read who got the illuminati check too, idk. I just find it all very implausible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm the doc, if I'm dead I can't heal you.
    there is nothing I can do to stop the lynch on you even if you are doctor. town is lost this game if we follow yzb honestly. now you could be mafia gettin bussed by illuminati partner of yours, you two could be masons too I don't know. But based on my reads the exact illuminati team could be Auwt/MM/Mesk and yzb is just your mason or mafia partner. or we could swap slots here but the setup is solved FMPOV. I only need Martin and remaining town to trust me here with not placing a vote tomorrow right away and see what I can do tonight.


    1. MM was whiteknighting DM saying his play is too bad to be coming from scum but at the same time doesn't give the same treatment for mesk, they were scumreading mesk d1 while both MM and MattZed were voting DM.

    2. MM have been giving very shallow reads entire game. yzb got a clear for having bad but consistent logic - Auwt got a "natural progression" and was never pushed in contrast to p#534 - He didn't push Frinckles until the very end, he voted him a couple of times with a question or two but he didn't seem serious with their push. p#601 they pick Frinckles suggestion on eliminating Martin and calls Frinckles for illuminati slip.

    3. I don't see MM scumhunt this game at all. He have been coasting behind MattZed's back mostly. The only thing I can find is that their serious pressure was on Frinckles and that only happened 1 hour before EoD1 where he remembers that it is MAJ only.


    If I had the chance then I would have voted you or Auwt d1 if not DM. MattZed played his own game and I don't really see why MM is so relaxed about the claims. Host RNG'd town roles so if there is Illuminati then there is a good chance I am right on this with my solve. If it is just mafia game then Martin and mafia are losing tonight if we go with yzb plan. This could eventually hurt town if we are in illumniati setup.

    The problem is, you and Auwt aren't really defending yourselves against the checks which seems like the game is being shepherded towards one direction which I find rather ridiculous if illuminati exists. If it is non-illumniati setup then we can only win by eliminating anyone here except SB, me and Martin. I think I am right on MM being potential scum and yzb is likely pushing us in a bad direction here be it intentional or not. I don't care if martin gets to win or not but I do care if town is at the verge of losing and I am never letting that happen. If you flip red renegade then I am shooting Auwt. If you flip green, I am shooting YZB.


    I can't blame you for it. Ladder games are seriously problematic and vets do tend to circlejerk. I was ML'd on spirits because I had no power at that level when I got thunderdomed by another vet claiming fake tracker check on me. We can only hope others don't repeat the same mistakes again

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    EoD1 votes are quite telling honestly when I look at my rolecard. It is hilarious how yzb and MM think MattZed is Renegades partner when there is nothing that could connect the two. If there was then I would have noticed that. I think it is all just fluff.

    d1 Frinckles and MattZed both were dadv and I can see town got really confused by it so I can't really blame sb martin and renegade not joining the top wagons after all. I am convinced that Illuminati/Mafia have no reason to stay off wagons

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    People keep asking me to defend myself.
    Do you realize I have nothing to defend myself against a coinflip right?
    What do you guys want?
    My only unique position in this game can tell, if Martin is telling the truth, that there is no Illuminati in this game.
    How the hell could I prove you that the last statement is correct ??
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    People keep asking me to defend myself.
    Do you realize I have nothing to defend myself against a coinflip right?
    What do you guys want?
    My only unique position in this game can tell, if Martin is telling the truth, that there is no Illuminati in this game.
    How the hell could I prove you that the last statement is correct ??
    You really should just claim a role dude it's not helping you right now
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    People keep asking me to defend myself.
    Do you realize I have nothing to defend myself against a coinflip right?
    What do you guys want?
    My only unique position in this game can tell, if Martin is telling the truth, that there is no Illuminati in this game.
    How the hell could I prove you that the last statement is correct ??
    well, I am sorry if you are town but you are part of everyone's PoE without Martin's check on you. Mesk voted you, Renegade voted you, Martin has a possible illumniati check on you, I am shooting you tonight. Only person that could be your partners are MM/YZB here imo. Maybe mesk/sb if we consider bussing. With the way it seems both D1 and D2 people turned back on you really quickly.. I don't really see why I shouldn't kill you tonight. You can't be TPR in any world and I base this on my meta with you. I know you are more towny when you roll TPR and when you are scum you are very aggressive in tone, not careless like this. I remember how you pocketed Mesk in mattzed's other setup where we were both scum. So this only means you are Citizen green or Citizen pink and either way we could have voted you today or even better YESTERDAY but YZB claimed a red check on Renegade and now everyone is voting Renegade without even thinking twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You really should just claim a role dude it's not helping you right now
    Okay then, whatever.
    I'm Citizen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    well, I am sorry if you are town but you are part of everyone's PoE without Martin's check on you. Mesk voted you, Renegade voted you, Martin has a possible illumniati check on you, I am shooting you tonight. Only person that could be your partners are MM/YZB here imo. Maybe mesk/sb if we consider bussing. With the way it seems both D1 and D2 people turned back on you really quickly.. I don't really see why I shouldn't kill you tonight. You can't be TPR in any world and I base this on my meta with you. I know you are more towny when you roll TPR and when you are scum you are very aggressive in tone, not careless like this. I remember how you pocketed Mesk in mattzed's other setup where we were both scum. So this only means you are Citizen green or Citizen pink and either way we could have voted you today or even better YESTERDAY but YZB claimed a red check on Renegade and now everyone is voting Renegade without even thinking twice.
    Great to know I won't live for that much longer.
    Can't you make your own opinion on this instead of just saying stuff like "X voted you, Y voted you, I don't really see why I shouldn't kill you tonight" ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Great to know I won't live for that much longer.
    Can't you make your own opinion on this instead of just saying stuff like "X voted you, Y voted you, I don't really see why I shouldn't kill you tonight" ?
    You say this but vote Renegade. You got ML'd for the same reason on insane asylum game because you thought me and ceko were scum d1 and it turns out all 3 of us were town.

    I am not voting you today because I am shooting you tonight if renegade is mafia. if he is town then I am shooting yzb. If there is an escort then they know who to RB and that is not me. If GF is still alive and goes for NK on me then you all know what I was without losing my LW and I trust rest of you to figure this out then. I have given my reasons why there is atleast 1 scum in MM/YZB if not both. There is atleast 1 scum in you rene mesk sb and I would rather see SB and Mesk live. between you and rene I am sure I will be shooting you. SO it is all PoE and thats why I apologize to you if you are town dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Auwt, you have been accused of being illuminati, what say you?

    Auwt:

    best picture to start a page XD
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    My vote is where it should be.
    Yzb and Mesk got a red check on Renegade.
    At least one of them has to be telling the truth since there aren't 3 members of the Mafia (they can't all be bussing Renegade).
    Renegade decided to call it an Illuminati push and did not deny being red.
    I know for a fact there isn't any pink here.
    This is a mechanical solve for me.
    The vote I'm placing right now is not a read or a thought as you stated.
    I would call it mechanical checkmate.
    As previously said, I cannot defend myself in any ways.
    But what I can do however is push the confirmed scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    My vote is where it should be.
    Yzb and Mesk got a red check on Renegade.
    At least one of them has to be telling the truth since there aren't 3 members of the Mafia (they can't all be bussing Renegade).
    Renegade decided to call it an Illuminati push and did not deny being red.
    I know for a fact there isn't any pink here.
    This is a mechanical solve for me.
    The vote I'm placing right now is not a read or a thought as you stated.
    I would call it mechanical checkmate.
    As previously said, I cannot defend myself in any ways.
    But what I can do however is push the confirmed scum.
    Alright Auwt I take this as your last will if you can prepare more please submit it to host Mike so we know more from your flip

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    Sigh...
    Have a great night.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    I hardclaim Vigilante and will be going after YZB or MM tomorrow based on Renegade and Auwt flips. If Renegade flip mafia I am 100% shooting Auwt, If Renegade is town then I am shooting YZB.

    If I am alive and if what I promised didn't happen just turbo me tomorrow.


    Thats my LW.


    Renegade and Auwt, I am sorry again for this if you are town but this has to be done.


    -vote Renegade

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