S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[ika]

I also see superjack is not yelling at anyone for not voting right now. Funny how he said he was gonna do that

[SuperJack]

This Stealth vs Ika.

Totally ok with Joker killing them both.
Happy with Jester killing Alijach.

[SuperJack]

I also see superjack is not yelling at anyone for not voting right now. Funny how he said he was gonna do that

=)

[ika]

This Stealth vs Ika.

Totally ok with Joker killing them both.
Happy with Jester killing Alijach.

I'm fine with it too as long as alij the joker dies too. The fact you can't even see the blindingly obvious claim I'm making is sad.

Let me make it more clear: alijach visited me last night. I want him to claim and then die

[Gyrlander]

Are you reading the game?

I am, but I want you to tell me.

[ika]

So superjack, tell me how my "evidence" is not incriminating right now. I can't wait to hear your rebuttals.

And no the defense of "he can be a pr" is not valid.

[ika]

I am, but I want you to tell me.

Read my previous post

[ika]

We have a little over 24 hrs to deal.

I say stealth is scum for not only his lack of reasons for voting me but his survivalism of wanting me dead. It's oddly convienent that he sees me as scum and I'm a joker target.

[ccantman]

I am saying that what Alijach is doing is at worst NAI.

What does NAI stand for?

and if Ika is scum. more reason to kill me. joker can then kill ika

[ika]

Mesk/unknown are not both scum together if one flips scum the other is cleared.

[ika]

What does NAI stand for?

and if Ika is scum. more reason to kill me. joker can then kill ika

Not alignment indicative.

This is why i see stealth also as scum he mentored the guy and I would expect stealth to have a batter ready by now.

You are to kill Ashe if he's not lynched and we lynch you instead

[ccantman]

This Stealth vs Ika.

Totally ok with Joker killing them both.
Happy with Jester killing Alijach.

2 votes for allijach.

[ccantman]

Lets look at this logically.
Steath and ika think each other is scum, so the chance of one of them being scum is high.

Since the joker needs to kill agents, if we dont kill either, high chance joker kills both because he gets an agent.

So if you kill me
1 jester 1 mafia 1 town is the current loss.
If Allijach IS the joker, well seems like a super win for town as mafia/jester/joker all die at the cost of one town. and if not, 2 town for 1 mafia 1 jester still seems like a good trade.

[ccantman]

where as if we lynch allijack and he is joker, than we give a night to the mafia with a kill. It would be best to kill the joker at night to deny a mafia a kill. especially under the condition we are where one of the two targeted by joker is mafia

[SuperJack]

So superjack, tell me how my "evidence" is not incriminating right now. I can't wait to hear your rebuttals.

And no the defense of "he can be a pr" is not valid.

Both Mafia and TPR can have proof of Joker.

I'm saying your evidence does not give information about your alignment.

Yet your trying to twist this and make it sound like I'm defending Alijach

[ika]

Lets look at this logically.
Steath and ika think each other is scum, so the chance of one of them being scum is high.

Since the joker needs to kill agents, if we dont kill either, high chance joker kills both because he gets an agent.

So if you kill me
1 jester 1 mafia 1 town is the current loss.
If Allijach IS the joker, well seems like a super win for town as mafia/jester/joker all die at the cost of one town. and if not, 2 town for 1 mafia 1 jester still seems like a good trade.

Basicly, it's why I would want adj lynched first and you next because they would have to contest with me the next day. If you are set on adj I would support your lynch now then.

I just want my results and I say he's joker, not only does it make sense that he visited me and I saw that. It make sense to use stealth (his mentor) as a second

[ika]

Both Mafia and TPR can have proof of Joker.

I'm saying your evidence does not give information about your alignment.

Yet your trying to twist this and make it sound like I'm defending Alijach

Well you are, directly or not. Also don't misrepresent me on me trying to "prove my role/alignment" I am just voting that he visited me. He's joker and scum is scum.

You have to realize that if I was an agent (hint: I'm not) that I would be sucide for me to do so because it would turn into a game of "why the fuck am I alive"

[SuperJack]

ccantman is getting lynched today. That is True Story.

[ika]

Saying that he did, hence why I want a claim out of him. He's gonna have to claim.

[ika]

ccantman is getting lynched today. That is True Story.

The votes say otherwise right now. Your not in charge here. I am now shut up and listen to evidence or get out.

It's clear your a citizen already

[SuperJack]

The votes say otherwise right now. Your not in charge here. I am now shut up and listen to evidence or get out.

It's clear your a citizen already

=)

[SuperJack]

OMG OH SHIT HE HAS TWO VOTE THAT IS SO MUCH OMG SO MUCH YEH SO SORRY IKA

[ika]

where as if we lynch allijack and he is joker, than we give a night to the mafia with a kill. It would be best to kill the joker at night to deny a mafia a kill. especially under the condition we are where one of the two targeted by joker is mafia

Mafia would have to leave the me/stealth decibel alive and then we can use nka to find them.

[ccantman]

Basicly, it's why I would want adj lynched first and you next because they would have to contest with me the next day. If you are set on adj I would support your lynch now then.

I just want my results and I say he's joker, not only does it make sense that he visited me and I saw that. It make sense to use stealth (his mentor) as a second

If the town is going to lycnh Adj, just lynch me and I'll kill adj. I believe it is better to kill me instead of the joker just due to how the numbers will work out.

lynch the joker, lose a town (mafia kill).
Or
lynch the jester, lose a town, mafia and joker.

You tell me what is better?

[ika]

OMG OH SHIT HE HAS TWO VOTE THAT IS SO MUCH OMG SO MUCH YEH SO SORRY IKA

Seeing how you are not doing anything to refute facts, I find that what I'm saying is quite sound and you are just vi or don't know proper town play.

I mean you should even know that joker is still scum and needs to be gone so why are you even fighting it

[ika]

If the town is going to lycnh Adj, just lynch me and I'll kill adj. I believe it is better to kill me instead of the joker just due to how the numbers will work out.

lynch the joker, lose a town (mafia kill).
Or
lynch the jester, lose a town, mafia and joker.

You tell me what is better?

If you agree to it I support it.

Realistcly is better to kill joker first then you because joker can have two kills where as mafia only has one and we can use it to find them.

[ika]

@ccantman if you help me lynch adj I will campaign your lynch tommorw

If you agree to kill him tonight I will lynch you

[SuperJack]

Seeing how you are not doing anything to refute facts, I find that what I'm saying is quite sound and you are just vi or don't know proper town play.

I mean you should even know that joker is still scum and needs to be gone so why are you even fighting it

SERIOUSLY

JOKER IS SCUM?

OMG.

Hats out everyone.

Next second, I'm going to be told that Citizens are Part of the town LOL, as If right!

[ika]

Interesting both stealth and gyr vanish

[ika]

SERIOUSLY

JOKER IS SCUM?

OMG.

Hats out everyone.

Next second, I'm going to be told that Citizens are Part of the town LOL, as If right!

Still not refuting my points that I made.

You realize I'm immune to this and that your only helping my case more by not addressing points being made?

[SuperJack]

@ccantman if you help me lynch adj I will campaign your lynch tommorw

If you agree to kill him tonight I will lynch you

Thats the whole fucking Idea and Reason why the Jester has revealed Directed night kill in exchange for Lynch.

[SuperJack]

Still not refuting my points that I made.

You realize I'm immune to this and that your only helping my case more by not addressing points being made?

What points? I've not seen any point you've brought up that I need to address.

[SuperJack]

Just so everyone knows, At this stage Ika has Correctly named out my role and alignment.

[ika]

What points? I've not seen any point you've brought up that I need to address.

You not have addressed anything I have said in any logica fashion or explained why lynching a potential joker could be better not made an argument to refute my evidence that is sound logic.

[ccantman]

@ccantman if you help me lynch adj I will campaign your lynch tommorw

If you agree to kill him tonight I will lynch you

I will agree to kill him.

I believe my word for future games to be trusted is worth a lot more than trolling this one game and never being trusted again.

and I while the joker has two kills, IF one of the kills is a mafia (which the ika/SB debate seems to indicate) that seems better than giving mafia a night kill. so i think d1 lynch on me is better

[ika]

Thats the whole fucking Idea and Reason why the Jester has revealed Directed night kill in exchange for Lynch.

But you are widening the pool. I want it narrowed to my target because he's joker

[ika]

I will agree to kill him.

I believe my word for future games to be trusted is worth a lot more than trolling this one game and never being trusted again.

and I while the joker has two kills, IF one of the kills is a mafia (which the ika/SB debate seems to indicate) that seems better than giving mafia a night kill. so i think d1 lynch on me is better

Good, consider my vote for you. Do you mind helping me get a claim out of adj?

[ika]

Just so everyone knows, At this stage Ika has Correctly named out my role and alignment.

When you act like an idiot it's clear to see your citizen

[SuperJack]

You not have addressed anything I have said in any logica fashion or explained why lynching a potential joker could be better not made an argument to refute my evidence that is sound logic.

I said your Evidence gives no indication of your Alignment. Not that your Evidence does not indicate who the Joker is. We've been through this.
Its also obvious that lynching the Jester, to then kill the Joker, giving the Joker the chance to kill both you and Stealth is much better than lynching the Joker himself.

[SuperJack]

But you are widening the pool. I want it narrowed to my target because he's joker

Widen the Pool= More time to scum hunt.

Settling down on a plan early is stupid.

Even if you know who is going to be lynched, pretend they are not, so that scum hunting does not end.

[SuperJack]

When you act like an idiot it's clear to see your citizen

Yeh, people understand Idiot better than anything.

[ika]

I said your Evidence gives no indication of your Alignment. Not that your Evidence does not indicate who the Joker is. We've been through this.
Its also obvious that lynching the Jester, to then kill the Joker, giving the Joker the chance to kill both you and Stealth is much better than lynching the Joker himself.

Ok first point about my alignment: it does not orove my alignment but that's not what I'm out to do. I am a claimed or so I'm self resolving to begin with. You have not rebutted this part yet and instead misreprested it

My evidence: it does indicate who the joker can be because the joker has to visit two people (me and stealth) the first can be seen by investigative s so it leads to credibility that he is joker who targeted me because I am one of those people. You have not refuted this

Me vs stealth: you are missing the fact that unless you are arguing both of us are scum you should realize that my first point about me being a self resolving pr is still in play. I claimed pr with results. So I'm gonna be forever to claim my role. From there if there are no cc (hint there won't) I'm confirmed town so having the joker remove a confirmed town is not good at all. This is basicly still first point that has not been refuted

[ika]

Widen the Pool= More time to scum hunt.

Settling down on a plan early is stupid.

Even if you know who is going to be lynched, pretend they are not, so that scum hunting does not end.

You already said the jester is going to be lynched so you bacillus self defeated your own point

Yeh, people understand Idiot better than anything.

Well seeing how site meta is about "feelings" and crap like that I would say it's quite accurate

[ika]

@Alijach : claim now your here and I want an explimation

[Unknown1234]

SuperJack I hate reading your posts this game.

Is lynching joker actually a good thing on day 1?

[ika]

SuperJack I hate reading your posts this game.

Is lynching joker actually a good thing on day 1?

Why would it not be?

[ika]

And plz don't give me the "it goes to scum team" argument.

Scum is scum, if we can not rely on scum hunting to win we don't deserve to win. That's the entire point of rlvgs setup to find group scum. The joker is the only utility for the prs

[Unknown1234]

Why would it not be?

Because the mafia don't control the night kill.

[Unknown1234]

The town itself get to choose if the Jokers targets should be killed by him. Otherwise we lynch one of them. That actually seems fair.

[ika]

Because the mafia don't control the night kill.

Read my previous post and try again. The argument is invalid.

It going to them gives more info because then we have ban as well