S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[theoneceko]

Got it, so blinkskater is a sociopath that isn't above going to new forums and pretending to be new to forum mafia in order to gain a tiny edge in the game. And then he projects that kind of behavior onto other people.

Good to know

blink is the nicest fluffiest boi, however i guess he has few limits when playing games. i can relate, UWU!!!

[Lumi]

You completely disregard my take on him not being a new player dude, you also come to a conclusion on MY thoughts whilst leaving shit out smh

Also OzyWho literally witnessed me talk to Helz for a couple of hours about advice for getting into FM 10 days before this game even started - so in order for OzyWho to believe your garbage read that I'm not actually new, he would also have to think that I pretended to be new for several hours with Helz, just to trick everyone for a tiny edge now

[theoneceko]

I get where you're coming from. But you failed to mention how I'm at the top of Ceko's scum list when clearly I have time and time again defended Ceko as my Town pocket. Also, yes, it is my first game so I could be getting my read on oberon completely wrong. He could might as well be scum. There is no 100% in this case, but I do believe the probability of him being scum is less than 40%.

what does this mean??

[Frinckles]

God damn, was it Helz or SJ who tricked me into townreading them by pretending not to know what Discord was?

[theoneceko]

blink is not a sociopath, he says UWOWU HEWWO!!!
@blinkskater

say it!!!

[WrathCyber]

it means ur dumb :o

[blinkskater]

Works for me. ISO Zzorange



Rhetoric, usually. How they're speaking

wtf is this lol i'd kill this also, "lynch the top posters" is just as bad las lynch the low posters

[blinkskater]

blink is not a sociopath, he says UWOWU HEWWO!!!
@blinkskater

say it!!!

It's okay i've been called worse I don't resort to insults anymore in FM, If he wants to call me names so be it

[Frinckles]

wtf is this lol i'd kill this also, "lynch the top posters" is just as bad las lynch the low posters

Despite hating it, I think I actually might pull out the too wolfy card there.

[theoneceko]

it means ur dumb :o

"pocket" means when scum pretend to follow a town's line of thinking. this is done to make the townie think highly of the scum, aka as a town teammate

[blinkskater]

Also OzyWho literally witnessed me talk to Helz for a couple of hours about advice for getting into FM 10 days before this game even started - so in order for OzyWho to believe your garbage read that I'm not actually new, he would also have to think that I pretended to be new for several hours with Helz, just to trick everyone for a tiny edge now

Why are you using OOC information to try and defend yourself? This is literally a game about social deception and you are using things that are outside of the game to defend yourself. This is a game about lying and manipulation forgive me for reading you for sequences and actions that are happening IN THE GAME

[WrathCyber]

"pocket" means when scum pretend to follow a town's line of thinking. this is done to make the townie think highly of the scum, aka as a town teammate

thanks for explaining that. thought the word just meant to be a reserve or something.

[blinkskater]

Despite hating it, I think I actually might pull out the too wolfy card there.

I hate it when I can't even understand what you're trying to say, it pisses me off more than being called a sociopath

[theoneceko]

i like ozy's strategy, which is lynch ppl who seem TWTBAW, which in this game applies to wrath and oberon. it's how i play in the mod as TOWN LEADER.

numbertwo's train isn't gaining any traction, and i get the feeling pushing zzorange will produce similar results.

-vote WrathCyber

[Lumi]

@blinkskater

In the death chat for the Matrix6 game, that I was observing, @OzyWho saw me talking extensively for hours with Helz about getting into FM and advice for the game. He can confirm that
I've mentioned being new to FM and was a bit hesitant to get into weeks (months?) ago to @theoneceko , and have asked questions to ceko about what it's like. He can confirm that

I've talked about being new to FM to a handful of other people on the site who aren't involved in this game as well.

The account I am using was created (and active) in 2013

Either I've been gaslighting them all in an 8 year long plot to trick you in this FM game.

Or maybe I actually am a new player?

[Frinckles]

I hate it when I can't even understand what you're trying to say, it pisses me off more than being called a sociopath

I'm saying he's top wolfy to be a wolf you doofus.

[theoneceko]

@blinkskater

In the death chat for the Matrix6 game, that I was observing, @OzyWho saw me talking extensively for hours with Helz about getting into FM and advice for the game. He can confirm that
I've mentioned being new to FM and was a bit hesitant to get into weeks (months?) ago to @theoneceko , and have asked questions to ceko about what it's like. He can confirm that

I've talked about being new to FM to a handful of other people on the site who aren't involved in this game as well.

The account I am using was created (and active) in 2013

Either I've been gaslighting them all in an 8 year long plot to trick you in this FM game.

Or maybe I actually am a new player?

likely
extremely unlikely

/s

[OzyWho]

tonally, this sounds like a newbie that unfortunately rolled scum

I agree, I totally forgot about this.

contradiction

LOL. This reminds of this years 1st Champs game.
Some dude said "I dont think they are scum, but i think they are good lynch. -vote"
Dude got insta voted by like everyone and flipped red

doesn't even point out which post is "overcomplicating" the game for town, but i assume he was referring to varcron here

I think not clarifying is NAI tbh.

wrath is using big words here, but his read on lagattack doesn't make sense. he doesn't go into detail why lagattack is "clearly manipulating us." strangely, he puts lagattack in the "Scumish" category too with zzOrange. however, his reason for scumreading zz is kinda bs too. since this was the very beginning of the game, i won't ding him too much for the zz read. however, if wrath flips scum, i'm most likely going to read zz as town

He did? "clearly manipulating us by overwhelming and misdirecting our attention to others such as Oberon who is by far, the least of our concerns"

the only info you need to take from this is that wrath was AGREEING with varc here

for context purposes, this is literally just two posts after. note how in the reads list i quoted, he had varc as a top town, then when he listed the "Scum" as AFK lurkers, said he was agreeing with varc here. people changing minds in RVS stage isn't typically scummy, but this is a very drastic change in his opinion of varc.

more attacks on varcron

I agree that the way he changed his reads on varcron was unnatural.

this looks like it helps town, but it really doesn't >_>
i can't tell if wrath is trying to fake being helpful or if he's actually trying to help.

I didn't think of it like that...
Almost reminds me of PQR being the most helpful when elaborating and Darkness and Scum Chat mechanics.

i personally find his yuesford read to be odd. does anyone else think yuesford is a templar?? the fact he used "freudian slip" to suggest yuesford is also odd. perhaps he's bringing a grudge from the mod into this game??

his crichard scumread is based on tone and inaccurate information (this is crichard's first fm on this site, not his first fm in general)

I have no opinion on that 1st paragraph, I feel like you mod players are living in a different world irt each others meta and stuff.

Tbh, his opinion/read on richard felt the most honest thing I read out of the slot.
Richard's kinda Introverted Thinker in that he doesnt really feel the need to justify his opinions and such. He has to force out giving reads imho. There was some truth to Wrath's read on richard. I could totally see that as a genuine scumread by its own.

wayward?? why r u so confident that oberon is town?

more confidence in oberon's towniness

YEAH I TOTALLY DON'T GET THIS ONE WTF? OBERON NOT CONTRIBUTING THEREFORE HIS TOWN, OTHERS WHO ARE CAN BE NOTHING OTHER THAN SCUM BECAUSE `THEYRE MANIPULATING US`, HONESTLY WTF???
This fucking triggered me..

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the biggest scumtell is his "jester-read" on lagattack. i don't think we should ever see wrath as town for this, and i'll explain why. i've seen a thousand players on the mod sow confusion with pretty random posts, and i don't think u can get more random in this game than claiming lagattack is a jester. he seems to have backtracked off that strategy since then, but i get the feeling that's just because he realized this wasn't a viable strategy in FM, which lasts way longer than games on the mod.

it's not surprising that wrath scumread varc, since varc "always looks scummy," but his shift from seeing varc as town to scum is too drastic to make me think it's genuine.

players on the mod tend to vote with and defend their scum teammates. rn, wrath is clearly defending oberon. wrath doesn't know oberon's meta, so i find it hard to believe that wrath is a villager who saw oberon's blatantly scummy posts, then jumped ahead a few steps to not only townread oberon but also scumread varcron and lagattack, who suspect oberon of being scum. also, as auwt said, there wasn't a n0 for the mafia to discuss their strategy, so if oberon is scum, there's no way he could've told wrath to consider bussing.

this is purely a tonal argument, but wrath sounds too confident in his reads. this is likely a big scumtell if you consider a world where he's a newbie scum who doesn't know that scum should act like they don't know anyone else's faction is. wrath has not given that "confused townie" vibe all game

finally, i agree with whoever said wrath is a "frozen scum." wrath's playstyle reminds me a lot of my very first scum game. i didn't know how to interact with my teammates in the thread or how to convince everyone i was town while voting town out, so i kind of just AFK'ed. to me, wrath definitely looks like he's lurking too much for a noob town

I will just say this:
-Clearly you know the mod guys metas very well, and you call Wrath to be Oberons scummate.
-blink knows oberon better than anyone else and reads oberon as scum.

Given that I townread you both (though blink only slight slight lean), I think it would be stupid of me to ignore this.
I am not against a Wrath lynch. But my own opinions are that he's a total TWTBAW, which I don't think a new player could pull off. But I usually lynch every TWTBAW I see, so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I'm much more inclined to lynch PQR tbh.

@theoneceko
What is your opinion wrt PQR?

[blinkskater]

@blinkskater

In the death chat for the Matrix6 game, that I was observing, @OzyWho saw me talking extensively for hours with Helz about getting into FM and advice for the game. He can confirm that
I've mentioned being new to FM and was a bit hesitant to get into weeks (months?) ago to @theoneceko , and have asked questions to ceko about what it's like. He can confirm that

I've talked about being new to FM to a handful of other people on the site who aren't involved in this game as well.

The account I am using was created (and active) in 2013

Either I've been gaslighting them all in an 8 year long plot to trick you in this FM game.

Or maybe I actually am a new player?

yeah I'm done with you

[Lumi]

Why are you using OOC information to try and defend yourself? This is literally a game about social deception and you are using things that are outside of the game to defend yourself. This is a game about lying and manipulation forgive me for reading you for sequences and actions that are happening IN THE GAME

Half the reads people have made this game have been about how people are playing with respect to "their meta" don't give me that crap - what people do in previous games and outside the game 100% plays a role in the game, and you acting like it doesn't to back up your terrible read is just nonsense

[Lumi]

yeah I'm done with you

Looks like someone finally realized how wrong they were

[OzyWho]

Just ftr you guys, frinckles and lag.
I question that you know gaslighting well.
What lagattack described wouldnt be gaslightning, and wrt what frinckles said - I only seen true gaslightning in a FM game once and it was actresss blink.

[Frinckles]

Also Blink you were the second person after me to bring up how skilled Lagattack is, I just decided to drop it.

He's either a experienced player using a crutch or a new player playing well. Doesn't matter.

[theoneceko]

i think blink is way too gung-ho with his scumread of lagattack. fits with his overconfident attitude ("i will carry this town").

i think blink is genuinely tunneling as town. i know he's very good at scum tho, so there's a small possibility he's faking this tunnel.

[Frinckles]

Just ftr you guys, frinckles and lag.
I question that you know gaslighting well.
What lagattack described wouldnt be gaslightning, and wrt what frinckles said - I only seen true gaslightning in a FM game once and it was actresss blink.

What I'd wrt again?

Also you've been gaslighting this game, atleast in my notes.

[OzyWho]

At this rate I'll piss off Blinkskater by D3, assuming we're both alive.

Darkness called. He asked what you want in your obituary in the form of a Death Note.

[WrathCyber]

Just want to agree on the consensus of who exactly we're voting for today. So far we've gleaned that PQR is the most suspicious, does anyone else have anyone else in mind?

[Frinckles]

Darkness called. He asked what you want in your obituary in the form of a Death Note.

I'll be insulted if I'm not hit tonight tbh. Scum let us form a towncore too easily and power roles are going to wreck them.

[Oberon]

Darkness called. He asked what you want in your obituary in the form of a Death Note.

*Walks Into Town Carrying A Briefcase*
Squirrel Stew... Just Sayian...

[Frinckles]

*Walks Into Town Carrying A Briefcase*
Squirrel Stew... Just Sayian...

Play the game bloberon

[OzyWho]

You completely disregard my take on him not being a new player dude, you also come to a conclusion on MY thoughts whilst leaving shit out smh

"your over defensiveness and OMGUS are just as strong of alignment tells, and it falls into place with your overall tone for me aswell."
It all reads as OMGUS to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tone and defensiveness are part of it.

I will say though, many of these omgus posts have passed since then, and it's getting more in the self-pres territory.
And yes, this is his first FM game, though he has talked and read about FM a lot + one of the smartest guys in this community.

[theoneceko]

I think not clarifying is NAI tbh.

He did? "clearly manipulating us by overwhelming and misdirecting our attention to others such as Oberon who is by far, the least of our concerns"

@theoneceko
What is your opinion wrt PQR?

i know
i just think that was a bs reason that doesn't rly count. i don't buy that lagattack was manipulating. i think we've been mind-melding quite a bit
never reread her posts, but my first impression was that she was town. i still have her as a vague town read. my vote on her was purely a sheep vote

[OzyWho]

Thanks, that makes sense

For ZZorange, how are we supposed to tell anything when he's barely posted anything?

ZZorange will be Helz D2 probably
Idk, I just doubt they will reach the minimum post requirement

[WrathCyber]

@OzyWho @Frinckles @LagAttack @Varcron @theoneceko @blinkskater @Oberon

Are we on the consensus that we're voting PQR out today?

[blinkskater]

Half the reads people have made this game have been about how people are playing with respect to "their meta" don't give me that crap - what people do in previous games and outside the game 100% plays a role in the game, and you acting like it doesn't to back up your terrible read is just nonsense

meta's fucking different dude, claiming look I was talking to helz about playing FM, doesn't mean you havn't played on another site.
Previous games yes that's meta. What people do outside of the game means absolute jack shit in a game about social deception.

[Frinckles]

@OzyWho @Frinckles @LagAttack @Vacron @theoneceko

Are we on the consensus that we're voting PQR out today?

We've got 21 hours left.

[OzyWho]

Works for me. ISO Zzorange

100% like oops_your_dead in the krc game.
Also, a scum would never be so nonchalant I think? But then again, being an ass feels like his character trait so I dont think he would feel any responsibility towards his scum mates.
I would prefer ZZorange to get swapped out for Helz tbh

[theoneceko]

@OzyWho @Frinckles @LagAttack @Varcron @theoneceko @blinkskater @Oberon

Are we on the consensus that we're voting PQR out today?

i know you were just editing varcron's name, but editing posts is against the rules in fm.

[blinkskater]

"your over defensiveness and OMGUS are just as strong of alignment tells, and it falls into place with your overall tone for me aswell."
It all reads as OMGUS to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tone and defensiveness are part of it.

I will say though, many of these omgus posts have passed since then, and it's getting more in the self-pres territory.
And yes, this is his first FM game, though he has talked and read about FM a lot + one of the smartest guys in this community.

I'm not on the defensive I'm on the attack and I'm not voting him because he voted me, I'm voting him because I think he's a wolf.

You are making about as much sense as he is and seem to be defending him quite hard

[PQRnHack]

@WrathCyber , can you respond to Ozy's callout (which I fact-checked as belolw) regarding your change of opinion of Varcron? in 8 minutes of time, you went from townish Varcron to voting him, while there was not much development during that timespan.

Fact check-checking Ozy here, checks out.

Wraith posted his list with Varcron as townish at minute :37. Also added "Agree with Vacron [sic]" for Scum being in the AFK Lurker gang. Unvoted LagAttack and voted Varcron at minute :45. That does seem a bit sus. Around that time, it looks like Wrath got a bit defensive towards Varcron asking Wrath for his reads as well as towards LagAttack for challenging Wrath's Oberon read.

At minute :48 to LagAttack: "Unlike you and Vacron who are actively manipulating this thread by using preconceived opinions about a specific player as a reason for placing them as town or scum."

And :56 to LagAttack: "Interesting take, but I'd trust my sense on this one that Varcron is likely shadow."

Quite a 180 in the span of 20 minutes

[theoneceko]

@WrathCyber explain why you changed your read on varcron so quickly

[theoneceko]

lol @PQRnHack that was a pretty epic mind-meld

[theoneceko]

@Frinckles is blink capable of tunneling this hard as scum??

[OzyWho]

I hate to break it to you but scum can be paranoid, IF Lag's read any of my previous games they would know how hard I push sometimes when I get strong feelings about something. That would definitely create paranoia in a scum player. I've been scum before and a bit paranoid Ozy, didn't have to fake it because it came naturally, being voted for something I was actually being scummy for created it. You're just flat wrong with statements like that and I doubt you actually thought about that before you said it.

I was talking about alignment paranoia, not reads paranoia. different things.
Scum literally cant have alignment paranoia, only reads paranoia.

Is every OMGUS universally scummy to you btw?

[theoneceko]

lol @PQRnHack that was a pretty epic mind-meld

you could also just be copying the way i speak tbh. i can't tell if you made that quote after reading my iso on wrath or not

[blinkskater]

Looks like someone finally realized how wrong they were

Says dude dude crying about a single vote and scumread

[PQRnHack]

@OzyWho @Frinckles @LagAttack @Varcron @theoneceko @blinkskater @Oberon

Are we on the consensus that we're voting PQR out today?

So much for "Lynching in this case is not to be taken lightly"


Perhaps, "Those who are hurrying to vote right off the bat should be the most suspicious."

[Lumi]

Says dude dude crying about a single vote and scumread

I thought you were done with me?

[PQRnHack]

you could also just be copying the way i speak tbh. i can't tell if you made that quote after reading my iso on wrath or not

I am simply repeating my earlier post from many hours ago, which was not responded to. I felt like Ozy had a good point and I had time to fact-check it. I plan to do more checking of all players (as not to tunnel on Wrath or any single player), but will have to be after work.

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[Frinckles]

@Frinckles is blink capable of tunneling this hard as scum??

Blink is capable of a lot of things.