S-FM 304: Instant Mafia

[Ganelon]

i tried reading an old game to get a better understanding of the setup for the game i played in two games ago
in all honesty i was just wasting my time and getting nowhere
also naz is a different host if blink was the last host
they're always bound by the setup needing to be somewhat balanced
so 2-3 tprs sounds about right
i think something like sheriff mayor mason would be funny

honestly same. I ended up finding blinks first ever forum Mafia game which was interesting but MEHHHHH fuck reading games like this one
its straightforward, sheriff should always claim fast, but mayor shouldn’t
masons can claim w/e works

[Zedus]

Updated claim list:
1. @Marshmallow Marshall - like No claim. Solo mason claim with (not true) mark doesn't counts?
2. @bakermir - Citizen claim
3. @Auwt - No claim
4. @Ganelon - No claim
5. @Varcron - No claim
6. @Zedus - Citizen claim
7. @Stealthbomber16 - Some TPR claim.
8. @secondpassing - Sheriff claim, also confirmed #2

Well, now focus on Ganelon, the Random Voter.
He did nothing useful from the game start, voted Marshmallow with no reason, after voted me with no reason. Refusing to call out role. Looks like he is seeking for our attention.

-vote Ganelon

Now waiting for his defence

[Stealthbomber16]

I’m not claiming my role. :P

Why are you not claiming your role?

[Ganelon]

Why are you not claiming your role?

WIFOM

[Zedus]

You have no fucking right to be calling people blind after making this egregious mistake.

This wasn't a mistake.

[Stealthbomber16]

This wasn't a mistake.

Oh I see you're just gonna scumpaint people instead

-vote Zedus

[Stealthbomber16]

WIFOM

It's not worth it if you aren't TPR. I ran the calculations. The amount of wine in front of you is too low.

[Ganelon]

Fair counter points Auwt. However, you had no input for Stealthbomber in this case. A true townie would look at everyone at this point and not just the aggressive player.

What do you think of Stealthbomber's post on #8?

you seem to be very interested in stealthbomber here. are you his scum partner? pretty sure you’ve made like 3-4 posts on him already

[Stealthbomber16]

As a heads up to any players remaining, not claiming before post #200 results in you automatically claiming TPR in my mind.

Claim, especially if you're citizen.

[Auwt]

WIFOM

You aint giving a single clue of your role then? (claiming TPR? or at least removing a role?)

[Stealthbomber16]

This wasn't a mistake.

Seriously I cannot put into words how scummy this post is

He is literally admitting to purposefully omitting certain posts from his analysis. That is the definition of scumpainting.

[Ganelon]

Updated claim list:
1. @Marshmallow Marshall - like No claim. Solo mason claim with (not true) mark doesn't counts?
2. @bakermir - Citizen claim
3. @Auwt - No claim
4. @Ganelon - No claim
5. @Varcron - No claim
6. @Zedus - Citizen claim
7. @Stealthbomber16 - Some TPR claim.
8. @secondpassing - Sheriff claim, also confirmed #2

Well, now focus on Ganelon, the Random Voter.
He did nothing useful from the game start, voted Marshmallow with no reason, after voted me with no reason. Refusing to call out role. Looks like he is seeking for our attention.

-vote Ganelon

Now waiting for his defence

’random voter’
rofl
dude your scum list is full of people you disagree with xD my votes less random than yours mate.
‘no info’
pretty sure I posted a few posts on what strategy we should adopt this game. you know who has selective vision? SCUM

[Ganelon]

No. I’m not claiming. You’ll find out my role later, I shall claim at some point. But not now.

[Zedus]

Nice, now 2 ppl in my scumlist voting on me, I got it. And it's great. Because, as I said, "readings" is shit, but actions is not.
One of them is most likely scum, maybe both.

Good plan for townies:

If there will be 2 following votes on me, ignore them both and focus on 3rd and 4th voter.
If you are town, don't even try to vote me. If #4 and #7 just typical town bonobovoters (still possible), following them will be insta-losing for town, because mafia will just end the game after.
Better to add pressure on Varcron, the Random Voter (but not 3 votes, please!) and keep and eye on 7, he is still doing only shit for town.
If one of them reveals as mayor, switch for neuts in my susp list.

Well, also you can just bonobovote me for no reason and lose the game again Up to you.

[Zedus]

’random voter’
rofl

You ARE random voter.
Explain your first vote on Marshmallow now.
After that explain your vote on me.

[Auwt]

As a heads up to any players remaining, not claiming before post #200 results in you automatically claiming TPR in my mind.

Claim, especially if you're citizen.

I do not encourage Citizens claim before being done with Sheriffs claim.

Potential Sheriff

Ganelon clearly said, wont reveal his role.
Marshmallow Marshall hasnt claimed yet, no info considering willingness
Varcron hasnt claimed yet, no info considering willingness
Stealthbomber16 hasnt claimed yet, confirmed TPR

We are not done at all considering potential Sheriff.
If you hurry for Citizen/other role claim, this will result in a very easy Sheriff claim on the scum side.

The best game plan I can see so far, is removing roles 1 by 1.
In this order :

-Sheriff
-Mayor
-Citizen

Mayor and Citizen could be at the same time. BUT Sheriff has to be first no matter what, and as long as there is a possible Sheriff, going forward is a bad idea.

[Stealthbomber16]

Hey, Zedus, why am I scum?

[Stealthbomber16]

I do not encourage Citizens claim before being done with Sheriffs claim.

Potential Sheriff

Ganelon clearly said, wont reveal his role.
Marshmallow Marshall hasnt claimed yet, no info considering willingness
Varcron hasnt claimed yet, no info considering willingness
Stealthbomber16 hasnt claimed yet, confirmed TPR

We are not done at all considering potential Sheriff.
If you hurry for Citizen/other role claim, this will result in a very easy Sheriff claim on the scum side.

The best game plan I can see so far, is removing roles 1 by 1.
In this order :

-Sheriff
-Mayor
-Citizen

Mayor and Citizen could be at the same time. BUT Sheriff has to be first no matter what, and as long as there is a possible Sheriff, going forward is a bad idea.

Okay, this is a fair point that I did not consider. I'll concede to you.

[Ganelon]

I do not encourage Citizens claim before being done with Sheriffs claim.

Potential Sheriff

Ganelon clearly said, wont reveal his role.
Marshmallow Marshall hasnt claimed yet, no info considering willingness
Varcron hasnt claimed yet, no info considering willingness
Stealthbomber16 hasnt claimed yet, confirmed TPR

We are not done at all considering potential Sheriff.
If you hurry for Citizen/other role claim, this will result in a very easy Sheriff claim on the scum side.

The best game plan I can see so far, is removing roles 1 by 1.
In this order :

-Sheriff
-Mayor
-Citizen

Mayor and Citizen could be at the same time. BUT Sheriff has to be first no matter what, and as long as there is a possible Sheriff, going forward is a bad idea.

why are you discussing who might be a sheriff? that’s completely counterproductive as town.

[Auwt]

honestly same. I ended up finding blinks first ever forum Mafia game which was interesting but MEHHHHH fuck reading games like this one
its straightforward, sheriff should always claim fast, but mayor shouldn’t
masons can claim w/e works

So you openly claiming not being Sheriff, since you didnt "claim fast" ?

[Zedus]

Hey, Zedus, why am I scum?

Already explained. I removed vote from you to another, more suspicious random voter. After his explanations I will continue with Marshmallow, and neuts after.
But yes, you are still in scum list, I see no any reason to remove you. Your "I am TPR" is just weak defence, but well, this is some info, so we need to get someone else for now.

[Ganelon]

So you openly claiming not being Sheriff, since you didnt "claim fast" ?

why are you so interested in who is sheriff and who isn’t? I’m not claiming my role.

[Auwt]

why are you discussing who might be a sheriff? that’s completely counterproductive as town.

Finding Sheriff first, so that we can easily find if someone is lying.
Lets check how a Sheriff claim can lead to :

2 players, Sheriff and X :

1) Sheriff is a real Sheriff, and X is real Citizen
2) Sheriff is a fake Sheriff, and X tell Sheriff is wrong
3) fake Sheriff got extremely lucky, and X is real Citizen
4) Sheriff is fake Sheriff, and cover scum team mate X as a Citizen.

1 and 2 are good for town.
3 is pure luck. If scum are ready to blindly claim someone is Citizen, well they are likely to throw.
4 is making scum side with each other

When we will be done with the Sheriff. We will have strong duos potential.

[Zedus]

Btw this will be good idea to claim sheriff (if you are one), but NOT to call your checked citizen for some time. So you will fill sheriff slot for town, but you will still be able to use your known info later.

[Auwt]

Finding Sheriff first, so that we can easily find if someone is lying.
Lets check how a Sheriff claim can lead to :

2 players, Sheriff and X :

1) Sheriff is a real Sheriff, and X is real Citizen
2) Sheriff is a fake Sheriff, and X tell Sheriff is wrong
3) fake Sheriff got extremely lucky, and X is real Citizen
4) Sheriff is fake Sheriff, and cover scum team mate X as a Citizen.

1 and 2 are good for town.
3 is pure luck. If scum are ready to blindly claim someone is Citizen, well they are likely to throw.
4 is making scum side with each other

When we will be done with the Sheriff. We will have strong duos potential.

If we decide to claim something else right now, for instance Citizens,
This could lead to scum being able to do

5- Fake Sheriff says X is real Citizen

And not claiming anything (or at least denying being Sheriff) will just block the game from my perspective.
Do as you want guys.

[Zedus]

3 is pure luck. If scum are ready to blindly claim someone is Citizen, well they are likely to throw.

Not so. Remember, I claimed citizen already. Fake sheriff can call me the citizen. Maybe we will see some magic after

[Stealthbomber16]

Already explained. I removed vote from you to another, more suspicious random voter. After his explanations I will continue with Marshmallow, and neuts after.
But yes, you are still in scum list, I see no any reason to remove you. Your "I am TPR" is just weak defence, but well, this is some info, so we need to get someone else for now.

You explained that I was scum because I claimed godfather. You then ignored my TPR claim twice and accepted it the third time. What is the reason I'm scum now? Is it just that I'm voting you?

[Auwt]

What I'm trying to do with all of this is :

Make duos that are same sided.

What I can tell you right now: SP and bakermir are on the same side.

The 3rd option (namely : Luck) could still be a thing, but who is gonna take that risk? Noone.

By making trustful duos you can at least see, who you will be never voting and so others players can check interaction between the different duos, to see if they are both scum/both town.

[Auwt]

Not so. Remember, I claimed citizen already. Fake sheriff can call me the citizen. Maybe we will see some magic after

I meant a scum fake Sheriff would never say "THIS GUY IS CITIZEN" without having a single clue of it.
If a fake Sheriff does so, and the player claim not being citizen : The Sheriff is dead instantly

[Zedus]

You explained that I was scum because I claimed godfather. You then ignored my TPR claim twice and accepted it the third time. What is the reason I'm scum now? Is it just that I'm voting you?

You still claimed nothing. "I am tpr" is better then "I am godfather" that's why I removed vote from you to the randomer. That's all.
You still can be mafia, who tryed that shittalking strat. Sure you have to claim something. But this will not confirm you. Something like mayor revealing will. Or sheriff+citizen pair will be a bit (but if your "citizen" is Ganelon, well we got you both, gg ez). Do more for town, and maybe I will remove you from my list. For example, push the randomer, not me.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

statistically speaking, SCUM

Remember this shit?

Sure, as good and strong townie, I will start to push every shittalker until there will be no shittalking at all and everyone will focus on game and winning for town. Because shittalking like your "I am gf" or this Ganelon's random votes will truly NEVER help town.

[Zedus]

Sorry, I edited. Not Varcron, Ganelon...

[Zedus]

I meant a scum fake Sheriff would never say "THIS GUY IS CITIZEN" without having a single clue of it.

There is clue. I am citizen, you know

[naz]

You have some problems with eyes or you are Renegade's brother? Who is "zebus"?

If you mention Renegade one more time I will smite you.
STOP attacking players on this site, it's unsportsmanlike and drives people away.

Thanks,
management.

[Auwt]

There is clue. I am citizen, you know

Yeah I know that you claimed it.
But atm no Sheriff could confirm it.

[secondpassing]

honestly same. I ended up finding blinks first ever forum Mafia game which was interesting but MEHHHHH fuck reading games like this one
its straightforward, sheriff should always claim fast, but mayor shouldn’t
masons can claim w/e works

stop making me like you more
you are getting hard to read

[secondpassing]

why are you so interested in who is sheriff and who isn’t? I’m not claiming my role.

i think you forget time is money
we claim faster maybe we can see who to focus on
maybe we argue with mayors right now
wasting time

[secondpassing]

zedus you didnt tell me what ship you fly
why
are you afraid of discussion

[Zedus]

But atm no Sheriff could confirm it.

Fake sheriff still have that opportunity. But does he have balls of steel to use it?

Spoiler : Now some offtopic for better communication :

I know it's unable to "read" me with this community methods. Remember, Mafia game created in Russia, and russian strats evolved another way. This doesn't means that russian players are good and EU or NA are bad, no. We just playing different ways. Typical EU or NA playstyle with this long hiding roles, low town leading attempts, and a lot of shittalking just will not be appreciated in russian community, with agressive plays, hard early pressure, and almost half of active players trying to lead the town. If some EU/NA player will try to play with russian party, he will be like immune to reading too, because he will looks like dangerous centipede, hiding before strike, and most likely will be lynched fast just in case Who knows, why he is hiding and what does he waiting for?

You realy cannot "read" someone, who played different way. First you should understand this way. Someone trying too, someone else just called this "goofy" and unable even to try this. Well, I should say, in russian party ppl like SB and Ganelon will most likely be pushed for shittalking and voting without reason (because explaining why are you voting before you did that is welcomed), and town will force them to reveal roles. You prefer to passive wait for something. That's the thing I realy cannot understand. And cannot "read" here, same as you cannot read me.

But we all have great opportunity to learn new ways to play from each other. Try to use this opportunity. If someone can explain this passivity for me, use invisible text, like I did, plz.

[Zedus]

zedus you didnt tell me what ship you fly
why
are you afraid of discussion

We playing mafia here, not flying ships. You can talk to me in PM after this will be allowed.

[Zedus]

i think you forget time is money

yes, that's why we need more role revealing, sheriff+citizen or mason+mason links and alive mayor to lead us to hell to win.

[Zedus]

@bakermir You said you have some questions for me, I will go offline soon, can you ask it now so I can answer before I go?

[Varcron]

yes, that's why we need more role revealing, sheriff+citizen or mason+mason links and alive mayor to lead us to hell to win.

I hardclaim sheriff

Auwt is also townlocked to me for obvious reasons.

[Varcron]

Updated claim list:
1. @Marshmallow Marshall - like No claim. Solo mason claim with (not true) mark doesn't counts?
2. @bakermir - Citizen claim
3. @Auwt - No claim
4. @Ganelon - No claim
5. @Varcron - No claim
6. @Zedus - Citizen claim
7. @Stealthbomber16 - Some TPR claim.
8. @secondpassing - Sheriff claim, also confirmed #2

Well, now focus on Ganelon, the Random Voter.
He did nothing useful from the game start, voted Marshmallow with no reason, after voted me with no reason. Refusing to call out role. Looks like he is seeking for our attention.

-vote Ganelon

Now waiting for his defence

secondpassing claimed sheriff? I'll have to read up on who his townlock is.

[Varcron]

secondpassing claimed sheriff? I'll have to read up on who his townlock is.

Okay, so secondpassing claims that he is sheriff with Bakermir as town

I hardclaim sheriff (was going to last night but fell asleep) and confirm that Auwt is town.

This could go two ways 1. All 4 of us are town and as such have 4 confirmed townies or 2. He's bullshitting protecting his scummate.

[Ganelon]

so two sheriff claims?
nice

[Auwt]

I hardclaim sheriff

Auwt is also townlocked to me for obvious reasons.

And I gladly answer : Yes.

[Auwt]

Okay, so secondpassing claims that he is sheriff with Bakermir as town

I hardclaim sheriff (was going to last night but fell asleep) and confirm that Auwt is town.

This could go two ways 1. All 4 of us are town and as such have 4 confirmed townies or 2. He's bullshitting protecting his scummate.

Secondpassing did the same way as you.
A sheriff claim before citizen is either HYPER LUCK or same side.
I would consider a strong Varcron - bakermir - secondpassing - Auwt town base.

[Ganelon]

I claim not sheriff

[Varcron]

Secondpassing did the same way as you.
A sheriff claim before citizen is either HYPER LUCK or same side.
I would consider a strong Varcron - bakermir - secondpassing - Auwt town base.

I'm going to be weary considering how this puts town in a really strong position if there are two sheriffs, but optimistic.

[Auwt]

I claim not sheriff

Well then I guess we got to wait for MM maybe to position himself.