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  2. ISO #1002

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    @MattZed one question??? If MM is my partner why did I save FB from being lynched day 1? Would that make FB my parter? Because remember you wanted FB lynched but I moved it to DM, DM was lynched becise of me I am the one who redirected it to DM. So why the hell would I put my neck on the line to redirect the lynch from FB onto DM. Who btw would have been an easy mislynch for today. Now this is assuming that me and MM are partners makeing 100% FB is town. In this world.

    My point is a world me and MM are partners is not possible.

    YMatt you pushed me to vote Oberon. As you said you did not imagine he would be a pr. Had Oberon not claimed PR we would have ended up lynching him. You keeps on pulling it off Frenckles and redirecting it onto FB . Now you saying you had placed a vote on Frinckles. The problem I have with the interactions with you and MM felt like baiting him.

    Do I know for sure you are scum no. But I belive you are with how you are so hard defending freckles. Who even lied about me. And I made that very clear and he has yet to provide the posts he accused me of having known someone alignment as one of his bullshit claims he has for scum reading me. I think MM is the last person we should lynch I have me reason why. Call us partners but again that is not even a possible world.
    Mike, you know if you and MM are partners. I don't. If you believed saving FB means you're definitely town and could never be scum, then you wouldn't be voting Frinckles right now, because Frinckles changing his mind on FB was one of the MAJOR events of D2. You BOTH bailed on the FB train, which is why I had to bail. Your reasoning isn't consistent with how you're voting right now.

    (For the record, there are a LOT of reasons someone might switch trains. They could see it's not gaining traction. They could have changed their mind after that person's defense, or that might want everyone to THINK they changed their mind. Someone else even scummier could have appeared. It's even harder to speculate when that person's role isn't known.)

    I'm not even putting much effort into defending Frinckles. I have a hard time seeing Frinckles as scum, but the only people on his train right now are my top scumread (MM) and you. My goal today, especially with how we can't skip, is to push scum.
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    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  3. ISO #1003

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    @MattZed How is it OK for you to say this about Mike but not OK for MM to say almost the exact same thing about me?

    You're scumpainting MM for doing the exact same shit you do. Is that a tacit admission of guilt?
    There's a big difference in what I said and what MM said: I said Mike had the same level of paranoia I had, which is why I thought he was town.

    MM, on the other hand, didn't SHARE your paranoia about Oberon. So how does MM know your paranoia was sincere? Frankly, it seems like excessive paranoia given how anti-town it would be to not CC Oberon if someone's TP1. I don't know how MM could see your paranoia level as honest WITHOUT being informed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  4. ISO #1004

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    ISOing MM... he seems kinda towny if I take into consideration the fact that he's IRL busy (which he said he would be in the signup thread) and the fact that I tend to scumread him 95% of the time. MattZed pushed him hard and for a long time before the walltext came out defending his self. Since then he's had to defend his self over and over and over from MattZed.

    He's asking a lot of clarifying questions.

    He pushed me saying that I wasn't being helpful, I started being helpful, he stopped pushing me.

    He pushed Frinckles because Frinckles is ambiguous in his reasons for things. Even while he was pushing Frinckles he still argued against a potential Frinckles scumtell I was discussing, so he's not tunneling. He's still not a fan of Frinckles because Frinckles keeps claiming to be explaining his self but failing to actually do so.

    @ MattZed I think you're tunneling too hard on MM. A very good percentage of your entire postcount is pushing MM and so a very good percentage of his effort has had to be spent defending his self from you. If you wanna be helpful to town step back and reevaluate.

    And then there's the fact that Frinckles is voting MM right now. I'm gonna go ahead and refrain from voting MM for the time being.
    And I think MM is trying to pocket you. (or is perhaps your partner, but I wouldn't be speculating this until AFTER MM flips) Seeing town motivation in NAI or even lightly scum-indicative things to gain your trust.

    MM wasn't the only one pushing you. I was pushing you. Helz was pushing you without voting. If you really see me vs. MM as TvT, then there's only one other town left if you're town. (and maybe a town-siding neutral) You either see MM as scum OR you've basically figured out scum by PoE.

    If you think Frinckles is more likely scum than MM, then just vote Frinckles. We can't skip today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  5. ISO #1005

  6. ISO #1006

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Goodmorning,
    Give me a few to settle at work at I'll be around.
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  7. ISO #1007

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Mike, you know if you and MM are partners. I don't. If you believed saving FB means you're definitely town and could never be scum, then you wouldn't be voting Frinckles right now, because Frinckles changing his mind on FB was one of the MAJOR events of D2. You BOTH bailed on the FB train, which is why I had to bail. Your reasoning isn't consistent with how you're voting right now.

    (For the record, there are a LOT of reasons someone might switch trains. They could see it's not gaining traction. They could have changed their mind after that person's defense, or that might want everyone to THINK they changed their mind. Someone else even scummier could have appeared. It's even harder to speculate when that person's role isn't known.)

    I'm not even putting much effort into defending Frinckles. I have a hard time seeing Frinckles as scum, but the only people on his train right now are my top scumread (MM) and you. My goal today, especially with how we can't skip, is to push scum.
    So how did i progress in your mind from Bleeding town yesterday and your top town to yout top scumread with MM? I would love to hear your Progression.
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  8. ISO #1008

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Mafia gain the night ability of their partner if their partner dies.
    @awut is this true???????
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  9. ISO #1009

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    @awut is this true???????
    NM I found it

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    OK, I missed this I need to reevaluate my reads. Becuse why would Matt out himself. Wow I can see why Matt is scum reading me now.
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  10. ISO #1010

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    So how did i progress in your mind from Bleeding town yesterday and your top town to yout top scumread with MM? I would love to hear your Progression.
    To be clear, my reads are:

    Confirmed Town: Oberon
    Town: Mesk, Helz
    Townlean: Frinckles
    Null: Mike, FrostByte
    Scumlean: None
    Scum: MM

    You were bleeding town for the first half of yesterday because I felt I could really see where you're coming from. Somewhere in the middle of D1 you started making posts I didn't really understand. And you've made a LOT of posts, some of which have grammar errors that make them harder to read. But I've always thought there were better targets, so I simply haven't bothered going through an ISO of you tbh. Once we sort out MM, I'll form a harder opinion of you again.

    (I'm VERY confident MM is scum. I'm getting a lot of flashbacks to a game where I found BananaCucho as scum but so many people were pocketed and it was a nightmare to sway them otherwise. At this point, I'm pretty much willing to thunderdome MM. I haven't seen town perspective in his posts in a long time, and the REPEATED misrepresentations of my posts are hard pinging my scumdar. )
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    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  11. ISO #1011

  12. ISO #1012

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    @MattZed PLease can you post a reads list. top town down to top scum? and explain why your reads are what they are? I still believe MM is Town. I still can see a world of you and frenkles. But I can be wrong.

    OK
    Helz: I am reading town or he is litterly the the biggest town sideing Mafia I have ever seen.
    Oberon: I know becuse of no CC is lock town (only becuse he is now confirmed TPR1).
    MM: Is bleeding town to me. ( I fought hard defending him When I was the Confirmed Viggy and town wanted to lynch him and Town won) he is playing the same here as he did there.
    FB: This is a ladder game. FB has just felt honest. I agree with MM read. I do not think MM had TMI. I had the same feeling as him. The Fact MAtt is so tunneled on that bad read feels like he is trying to scum paint MM for a ML.

    So still by PoE scum has to be in Frenkles, Matt, and Mesk.
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  13. ISO #1013

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    I'll admit I do have a lingering doubt that the scumteam is FrostByte+Frinckles. Frinckles pushed really hard to get rid of the FrostByte train yesterday, and FrostByte isn't hopping on the Frinckles train yet today.

    I think Mesk and Helz are town. I have trouble seeing Mike with a teammate other than MM, so MM's flip would mostly resolve Mike's alignment for me.

    I'm at least 90% certain MM is scum but *IF* I'm wrong, I think FrostByte+Frinckles are a scumteam by PoE.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  14. ISO #1014

  15. ISO #1015

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'll admit I do have a lingering doubt that the scumteam is FrostByte+Frinckles. Frinckles pushed really hard to get rid of the FrostByte train yesterday, and FrostByte isn't hopping on the Frinckles train yet today.

    I think Mesk and Helz are town. I have trouble seeing Mike with a teammate other than MM, so MM's flip would mostly resolve Mike's alignment for me.

    I'm at least 90% certain MM is scum but *IF* I'm wrong, I think FrostByte+Frinckles are a scumteam by PoE.
    If I am wrong on you and you are town this thunderdome is a mistake. Trust me I can read MM. MM is so playing his town game here. but I will vote you over MM

    -vote Mattzed
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  16. ISO #1016

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Yeah, I'll say it.

    I hereby challenge MM to a thunderdome.
    Fine.

    Reiterate all of your reasoning for voting MM up to this point.
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    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
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    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  17. ISO #1017

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    @FrostByte , @Mesk514 , I want to see some votes out of you.
    ok

    -vote MattZed


    I already said I didn't wanna vote MM so you're not giving me a choice.
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    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Heavy Handed View Post
    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  18. ISO #1018

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Now that I think about it, almost looks like MattZed baited that vote out of me. I said I didn't wanna vote MM, he thunderdomes, and then calls on me specifically for a vote.

    Why are people townreading MattZed? Feels manipulative as shit tbh
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    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
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    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  19. ISO #1019

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    To be clear I don't think MattZed is the right lynch today but the thunderdome is limiting everyone's options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Heavy Handed View Post
    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  20. ISO #1020

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    @MattZed , I'd rather throw my vote on Mike than MM, but if you'd rather resolve MM first, I'll sheep you.
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  21. ISO #1021

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    HALLOOOOO, anyone home?
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  22. ISO #1022

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  24. ISO #1024

  25. ISO #1025

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    is this mattzed push a meme? the dude has been actively trying to gamesolve
    Everybody has been actively trying to gamesolve. Maybe try being less vague?
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    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
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    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  26. ISO #1026

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    the DM lynch was shitty but I can atleast understand why he voted there.
    Nobody said shit about him voting DM, try to keep up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
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    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  27. ISO #1027

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    is this mattzed push a meme? the dude has been actively trying to gamesolve
    I think the voters on it are pretty serious LOL
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  28. ISO #1028

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I think the voters on it are pretty serious LOL
    He knows that, he was just being a cunt
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    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
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  29. ISO #1029

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    He knows that, he was just being a cunt
    muh gaslight

    dude you're seriously voting matt for asking you to vote, calling it a bait, saying you were manipulated into doing it AND THEN SAYING THAT MATT ISNT THE RIGHT LYNCH
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  30. ISO #1030

  31. ISO #1031

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    muh gaslight

    dude you're seriously voting matt for asking you to vote, calling it a bait, saying you were manipulated into doing it AND THEN SAYING THAT MATT ISNT THE RIGHT LYNCH
    I can quote literally everything Im asserting in this post by the way.
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  32. ISO #1032

  33. ISO #1033

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    at this point I want tpr 2 to just fucking out so I can solve and collect my points this is ridiculous
    WOAH WOAH WOAH.

    We could VERY easily have a consort. If TP2 gets RB'd, they can't investigate if they're sheriff, can't BG if they're BG, can't heal if they're doctor. This could give scum the ability to run with impunity.
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    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  34. ISO #1034

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Well that’s hella gay
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Vote skip isn't allowed.
    Lol. This reinforces my belief that I am right.

    I kinda understand though. I woulda totally broken the game. I bet a scum player wrote the host for that clarification to happen. Wouldn't be the first game I have broken : P

    We can still use this situation though. If all town decides to no-vote scum absolutely HAS to vote or they are fucked. This means they will out themselves at the cost of 1 town life if we can get all players on the same page and agree to go along with it.

    Also, The host clarified to me that BG does not trigger on a bunch of roles. This strongly indicates our TPR 2 is a Sheriff as that BG, Doc, and Soul Swapp all need a Hitman to hold value and there was no kill last night.

    I will also point out 20 minutes until mid day so update your last wills if you have anything critical to say an assassin is likely imo.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
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  35. ISO #1035

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    There's a big difference in what I said and what MM said: I said Mike had the same level of paranoia I had, which is why I thought he was town.

    MM, on the other hand, didn't SHARE your paranoia about Oberon. So how does MM know your paranoia was sincere? Frankly, it seems like excessive paranoia given how anti-town it would be to not CC Oberon if someone's TP1. I don't know how MM could see your paranoia level as honest WITHOUT being informed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Oh and I forgot to reply to those posts, here we go:

    No, to hell with that lol. I can relate to FrostByte's paranoia here because I had a very similar thought process, I simply didn't post it because I answered my own questions by thinking about the situation. Please set the red paint bucket aside.

    I didn't claim to have created the play, I just re-asked people at the beginning of the day lol
    High paranoia like this nearly always comes from town in my experience, because town is looking for the truth and has the "stress of being right". And as you can see, I did say I shared that paranoia and solved it myself without having to post it.

    Also:

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'm quite serious about my vote on MM. Some post excerpts that really bug me:

    Nowhere does MM say why FrostByte's push feels honest, just that it does. This is a slip. How does MM know FrostByte's push is honest? Because MM knows FrostByte is town.
    Ohohohohoho, you just gained a lot of scumpoints right here. I was pretty sure I had never said that alone without elaborating, so I clicked the little blue arrows . @ EVERYONE, if you go to the post I just quoted and click the little blue arrows in first quote of that post, it will lead you to THIS:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    This looks an awful lot like TvT both thinking the other side is wrong and that theirs is righteous. If I had to pick one of them to be scum now, it'd be Frinckles (Frostbyte actually is a townlean for me now, due to the honesty of his push, while Frinckles is... probably town thinking he's being attacked for the wrong reasons, but it could always be scum thinking they're being attacked for the wrong reasons), but there are relatively significant chances both are town.

    DM is looking more and more PoE-bad. I'm gonna keep my vote on Frinckles to keep it useful and because I don't want to see Frostbyte and even less Mike lynched now, but I'm gonna ISO DM and see if there's anything that's remotely interesting.
    It's quite obvious here that I'm saying they seem to genuinely believe they are righteous in their push, but that the very difference between Frinckles and FB, which makes me read them differently, is that while Frostbyte is pushing Frinckles and really looking like he believes in it, Frinckles is replying to being attacked, and scum can defend themselves in a genuine manner when they believe they were caught for the wrong reasons.

    Mattzed, if you were town, why would you literally CUT OUT the information from the quote and then say "nowhere did I say why FB's push was honest"? THIS is not honest.

    I'm equally ok with Frinckles or Mattzed lynch now.
    -vote Mattzed
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    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
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  36. ISO #1036

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    WOAH WOAH WOAH.

    We could VERY easily have a consort. If TP2 gets RB'd, they can't investigate if they're sheriff, can't BG if they're BG, can't heal if they're doctor. This could give scum the ability to run with impunity.
    do we honestly need a sheriff at this point

    Oberon
    MattZed
    Mesk514
    Helz

    FrostByte
    Mike
    Marshmallow Marshall

    how does this list not make sense when one of us could possibly die in however long
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  38. ISO #1038

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If I am wrong on you and you are town this thunderdome is a mistake. Trust me I can read MM. MM is so playing his town game here. but I will vote you over MM

    -vote Mattzed
    Please explain what exactly tells you this is MM's town game, especially

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Fine.

    Reiterate all of your reasoning for voting MM up to this point.
    I actively see a scum perspective in what he's been up to. Throwing shade on me because I was making D1 productive, misrepping why I cast my votes, trying to take credit for getting everyone to announce they weren't CC'ing Oberon. (even if he's now backed down from saying that's what he was doing) His top scumreads, Oberon and DM, have turned up town.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    @MattZed , I'd rather throw my vote on Mike than MM, but if you'd rather resolve MM first, I'll sheep you.
    Yes, I want you on MM. If you're thinking Mike is scum, think about who his partner could be: It's not you, (you voted him) it's Frinckles (he was on the Mike train), it's not me. (he's willing to accept my thunderdome and switch to me) So it's Helz, FB, or MM. I think we both agree Helz has been incredibly towny this whole game, especially with his push to not yeet before we found out we couldn't. So unless you think FB is Mike's partner, you're still catching scum. (For the record, I think MM is scum and I don't have a strong opinion on partners between FB and Mike atm, but probably would when I get around to ISO'ing them)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Yeah, I'll say it.

    I hereby challenge MM to a thunderdome.
    Not sure if the honorable rules of a thunderdome allow me to vote Frinckles if I want to, but if they do, sure :P.

    And by the way, MattZed - Frinckles makes sense as a scum team. Pushing Frostbyte without defending Frinckles while those two are in a thunderdome would be a pretty nice and logical move if Matt was in a team with Frinckles.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  40. ISO #1040

  41. ISO #1041

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    especially with his push to not yeet before we found out we couldn't.
    But we still can no lynch. We just can't vote for it.

    The setup clearly specifies only D1 is a mandatory lynch day. I do realize this is a setup oversight and game breaking but we could still 100% use it unless the setup is changed while the game is ongoing : P
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  42. ISO #1042

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    @Helz if there is an assassin then our only confirmed role dies in like 5 minutes rip oberon
    Maybe.

    I will also point out that if there is a Hitman and they decided to no kill last night saving that kill allows them to win later if we misslynch today.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  43. ISO #1043

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Please explain what exactly tells you this is MM's town game, especially



    I actively see a scum perspective in what he's been up to. Throwing shade on me because I was making D1 productive, misrepping why I cast my votes, trying to take credit for getting everyone to announce they weren't CC'ing Oberon. (even if he's now backed down from saying that's what he was doing) His top scumreads, Oberon and DM, have turned up town.




    Yes, I want you on MM. If you're thinking Mike is scum, think about who his partner could be: It's not you, (you voted him) it's Frinckles (he was on the Mike train), it's not me. (he's willing to accept my thunderdome and switch to me) So it's Helz, FB, or MM. I think we both agree Helz has been incredibly towny this whole game, especially with his push to not yeet before we found out we couldn't. So unless you think FB is Mike's partner, you're still catching scum. (For the record, I think MM is scum and I don't have a strong opinion on partners between FB and Mike atm, but probably would when I get around to ISO'ing them)
    I mean, could just go for Mike and settle MM later, but sure. YOLOSWAGGINS

    -vote Marshmallow Marshall
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  44. ISO #1044

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    I will remove my vote if someone puts him at L-1 though
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  45. ISO #1045

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    -vote Bullshit off player vote to force a no lynch

    : )
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  46. ISO #1046

  47. ISO #1047

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    thats a unique name
    I was thinking of going

    'Bob-e-ad-a-baby-eets-a-boy' but I am not sure how many players woulda caught the reference : P
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  48. ISO #1048

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    BRING THE RED PAINT BUCKET!
    Tbh I missed the post you painted red. (a post that came AFTER my vote) My scumread on you goes *slightly* down for you giving a reason, but it's still a weak reason that only came out after I called you out on it.

    It's quite obvious here that I'm saying they seem to genuinely believe they are righteous in their push, but that the very difference between Frinckles and FB, which makes me read them differently, is that while Frostbyte is pushing Frinckles and really looking like he believes in it, Frinckles is replying to being attacked, and scum can defend themselves in a genuine manner when they believe they were caught for the wrong reasons.

    Mattzed, if you were town, why would you literally CUT OUT the information from the quote and then say "nowhere did I say why FB's push was honest"? THIS is not honest.

    I'm equally ok with Frinckles or Mattzed lynch now.
    -vote Mattzed
    I cut down the post to address the critical point, but if you actually WANT the context, let's have it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    This looks an awful lot like TvT both thinking the other side is wrong and that theirs is righteous. If I had to pick one of them to be scum now, it'd be Frinckles (Frostbyte actually is a townlean for me now, due to the honesty of his push, while Frinckles is... probably town thinking he's being attacked for the wrong reasons, but it could always be scum thinking they're being attacked for the wrong reasons), but there are relatively significant chances both are town.
    WHERE. Where in any of this are you saying *WHY* you think FrostByte is being honest?

    You've doubled down on your misreps again. "Ohoho MattZed cut down one of my incriminating posts, let me suggest he's leaving out crucial context and hope no one checks there's actually nothing exonerating in what he left out."
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  49. ISO #1049

  50. ISO #1050

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I mean, could just go for Mike and settle MM later, but sure. YOLOSWAGGINS

    -vote Marshmallow Marshall
    I like this idea too but also our confirmed town doesnt know who is scum so i think we're fucked anyway
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