S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

S-FM Joha Schtilzt (2 [L-4]):
S-FM Fred Attlebish, S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marlwyn Janson (4 [L-2]):
S-FM Quinne, S-FM Bart Pilfter, S-FM Joha Schtilzt, S-FM Lembird Oshay
S-FM Quinne (1 [L-5]):
S-FM Billigan Holbird

I don't think Lembird is town, he's been on all the mislynches. Today he wrote a post with weak reasoning and hasn't considered voting Joha. Also he still has a suspended scum read on me, that hasn't been looked into. Like he still doesn't have a reason yet, and he's been too lazy to come up with one.

As for that question of who we are bringing to the 2v1, I'm bringing me.

[S-FM Quinne]

Lmao fred could totally be fucking with us

No. Fred is just struggling to understand this messed up setup. Don't blame them. I just hope the realise they keep making misunderstandings and learn from them

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Yeah no I legitimately feel like I can't side with scum this game because I have no idea at this point if we have 1 scum, 2 scum, 3 scum, 4 scum, however many there are.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Have I been anti-town up to this point?

I have been playing this game exactly as I would with a citizen. On day 2 I actually forgot I was a bounty hunter no joke

I have actually no choice this game but to play with town as I will have no idea how many scum are in the game at a given moment, since our coroners are dead.

You didn't cooperate and out when Neutrals were called. Scum had no more nightkills yet you decided to withhold that information. That's not pro-town. I don't care if you haven't been anti-town, you need to be pro-town. IOW, you miss the bar.

You're only siding with us because you have to. If we are in the kingmaker situation, I would not trust you to still side with us. Which is what I need, and what you should have convinced me of. Typing posts like the one I quoted doesn't help your case either.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

You didn't cooperate and out when Neutrals were called. Scum had no more nightkills yet you decided to withhold that information. That's not pro-town. I don't care if you haven't been anti-town, you need to be pro-town. IOW, you miss the bar.

You're only siding with us because you have to. If we are in the kingmaker situation, I would not trust you to still side with us. Which is what I need, and what you should have convinced me of. Typing posts like the one I quoted doesn't help your case either.

You are correct. I am siding with you because I have to.

In a kingmaker situation, I will ask both parties to tell me a joke. The best joke wins.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you because I don't need to.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Twissell > Fred > Quinne/Mulan > Bart > Edoua > Wilbird > Joha > Lembird >Biligan

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

-vote Joha Schtilzt

You really shouldn't be provoking me if you know what's good for you.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Lynching me or Mulan is better option. Then go for neutrals if game doesn't end. Then if game does end GL. Go find someone to study and read as town. Use Vlad as your speaking point.

Quinne you are bleeding town right now I get it. But this is a play a mafia player would make to be read as pro town. I am not ready to lynch you or Mulan today. The Outed NB if he is NB has made it known he is not pro town his own words Will side with mafia for win. I am not letting that live. NO night kill. Johna is the correct kill today.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

HE is not confirmed the good neutral. If he was Good Neutral he would have outed Day 3.. Or if he is Good Neutral if he was not sideing with town he would have outed day 3. If he had outed day 3 I would ride and die with him. But He litterly had no reson not to out day 3 unless he was wanting win with mafia.
The fact he did not out day 3 tell me one FACT: HE WILL FLIP ON TOWN. So he has to die. He also can be a mafia hiding as a Neutral. Any way you look at it we need him dead. for outing now not day 3. I would reather be lynched than him. Day 2 I wanted Vlad you all said No. now look at us. Vote Hiim or Vote me. I will not move my vote

Tbh this argument makes no sense to me. Why would a mafia under zero lynch pressure come out as benign neutral? He just opens himself up to attack and also to a counter claim from the real benign neutral. Also very understandable why he wouldn't out himself in earlier days when he risks making himself a target for a lynch, especially seeing as we were skipping those days anyhow.

Also don't know what you're talking about re; Vlad. I advocated lynching him straight up. If you don't believe me then re-read Day 2.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

-vote Joha Schtilzt

You really shouldn't be provoking me if you know what's good for you.

I apologize if you feel provoked. It is not my intent.

If you lynch me today you are in the exact same place tomorrow. Nothing changes. Nothing stops. You just have LESS information than you do now.

If I did not want to follow the town I would not have revealed today. I would have continued saying that I was ensign for the rest of the day, and probably the next one. Revealing that I am NB helps town.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Also we good to bet there is at least 3 scum alive. Look all the votes on

S-FM Joha Schtilzt (2 [L-4]):
S-FM Fred Attlebish, S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marlwyn Janson (4 [L-2]):
S-FM Quinne, S-FM Bart Pilfter, S-FM Joha Schtilzt, S-FM Lembird Oshay
S-FM Quinne (1 [L-5]):
S-FM Billigan Holbird

Mafia will be hard voteing a mislynch right now Marlwyn going over to easy.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

-vote S-FM Joha Schtilzt

better not be a special character in here

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Tbh this argument makes no sense to me. Why would a mafia under zero lynch pressure come out as benign neutral? He just opens himself up to attack and also to a counter claim from the real benign neutral. Also very understandable why he wouldn't out himself in earlier days when he risks making himself a target for a lynch, especially seeing as we were skipping those days anyhow.

Also don't know what you're talking about re; Vlad. I advocated lynching him straight up. If you don't believe me then re-read Day 2.

He outs today so he dont gets lynched in the Cits. Because I would not have taken him to the end. He may be NB that may be true. But the fact is he has not been pro town we told NB day 3 if he did not out he would not be taken to the end. There was no point for him to hide.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I apologize if you feel provoked. It is not my intent.

If you lynch me today you are in the exact same place tomorrow. Nothing changes. Nothing stops. You just have LESS information than you do now.

If I did not want to follow the town I would not have revealed today. I would have continued saying that I was ensign for the rest of the day, and probably the next one. Revealing that I am NB helps town.

no we know we are not in lielow

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Tbh, although Fred is a confirmed Town slot I've disagreed with most decisions he's made this game.
I feel like Fred has also later come to realise those decisions were mistakes but I feel he's making another one right now.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

He outs today so he dont gets lynched in the Cits. Because I would not have taken him to the end. He may be NB that may be true. But the fact is he has not been pro town we told NB day 3 if he did not out he would not be taken to the end. There was no point for him to hide.

I was under no threat to be lynched today

If I were not NB I WOULD CONTINUE HIDING

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

no we know we are not in lielow

You'd only be in MYLO if I flip.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

He outs today so he dont gets lynched in the Cits. Because I would not have taken him to the end. He may be NB that may be true. But the fact is he has not been pro town we told NB day 3 if he did not out he would not be taken to the end. There was no point for him to hide.

When are you going to start listening to me dude?
I've literally not made one bad decision or call this game.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

You'd only be in MYLO if I flip.

Poor wording

You would only be in MYLO right now if I were planning on flipping and if all scum were alive

[S-FM Quinne]

Twissell > Fred > Quinne/Mulan > Bart > Edoua > Wilbird > Joha > Lembird >Biligan

I mean. This just screams that you, gollert, are scum.
If it comes down to you, me, Milan and Fred. And Mulan is scum with you. Scum wins. Under no circumstances should me or Mulan be in the last 4.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

I mean. This just screams that you, gollert, are scum.
If it comes down to you, me, Milan and Fred. And Mulan is scum with you. Scum wins. Under no circumstances should me or Mulan be in the last 4.

Your play has seriously improved through the course of the game and I respect you a lot more now

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Your play has seriously improved through the course of the game and I respect you a lot more now

Like that's an out-of-game thing seriously well done

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Tbh, although Fred is a confirmed Town slot I've disagreed with most decisions he's made this game.
I feel like Fred has also later come to realise those decisions were mistakes but I feel he's making another one right now.

Day 2 lynch to lynch Vlad was a mistake? Well you are right my mistake was to trust you all and let Vlad live. EVEN when I called him out as Framer. We lost Jan to that mistake. Vlad took over JAn. We all know that. YEs I made a Big Mistake in not seeing the GF had a suport Abilty. That was the only mistake i made. That is why I shot The Sheriff. That is still not confirmed as town or mafia. OK lets say we did have a framer Mulan was framer. it is posible that Mulan was not in chat with Vlad. and framed Looius as a Loyal That means Quinne is real and Mayor was real and Mulan and Loius was mafia. That can be a world. HHMMM i need time to think

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I mean. This just screams that you, gollert, are scum.
If it comes down to you, me, Milan and Fred. And Mulan is scum with you. Scum wins. Under no circumstances should me or Mulan be in the last 4.

It's a list of who I trust and not necessarily who I bring to the end or a lynching order. Currently finding a world that fits all the information I've read. I will produce an order to lynch people later.
Seeing how urgent a Joha lynch is currently.

[S-FM Quinne]

Also we good to bet there is at least 3 scum alive. Look all the votes on

S-FM Joha Schtilzt (2 [L-4]):
S-FM Fred Attlebish, S-FM Marlwyn Janson
S-FM Marlwyn Janson (4 [L-2]):
S-FM Quinne, S-FM Bart Pilfter, S-FM Joha Schtilzt, S-FM Lembird Oshay
S-FM Quinne (1 [L-5]):
S-FM Billigan Holbird

Mafia will be hard voteing a mislynch right now Marlwyn going over to easy.

I mean. If this was a normal game of mafia with normal stuff and normal mechanics yeh.

But. This game, we've got scraps of info, which have put on a plate a garenteed plan to make sure scum are lynched. A garentee town plan. You can't VCA that. You can VCA the first few of days though.

[S-FM Quinne]

Day 2 lynch to lynch Vlad was a mistake? Well you are right my mistake was to trust you all and let Vlad live. EVEN when I called him out as Framer. We lost Jan to that mistake. Vlad took over JAn. We all know that. YEs I made a Big Mistake in not seeing the GF had a suport Abilty. That was the only mistake i made. That is why I shot The Sheriff. That is still not confirmed as town or mafia. OK lets say we did have a framer Mulan was framer. it is posible that Mulan was not in chat with Vlad. and framed Looius as a Loyal That means Quinne is real and Mayor was real and Mulan and Loius was mafia. That can be a world. HHMMM i need time to think

OH MY GOD. JUST DO Occam's razor! These conspiracy theories are going deep

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Johna If yo uare NB will you declare now you will side with town no matter what?

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I mean. This just screams that you, gollert, are scum.
If it comes down to you, me, Milan and Fred. And Mulan is scum with you. Scum wins. Under no circumstances should me or Mulan be in the last 4.

Also, your analysis is from your point of view. From my point of view I'm confirmed and Fred is confirmed.
I don't see both Mulan and you as scum at this point. And even in a last four, and assuming town decided to bring me along, then we would need to commit with town's read on me and so Quinne and Mulan are lynched in succession.

Since both of you have probably used night actions, neither of you are turncoat.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Johna If yo uare NB will you declare now you will side with town no matter what?

Sure

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Sure

I have to anyway

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I mean. If this was a normal game of mafia with normal stuff and normal mechanics yeh.

But. This game, we've got scraps of info, which have put on a plate a garenteed plan to make sure scum are lynched. A garentee town plan. You can't VCA that. You can VCA the first few of days though.

you are correct

-vote Marlwyn Janson

Screw it

[S-FM Quinne]

Like that's an out-of-game thing seriously well done

Thanks. I'm sorry if you're really exe and get lynched. Will try to lynch mulan and wilbird first. But if the game doesn't end then the best option for us is to lynch you.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I have to anyway

I am trusting you IF we dont lynch Jaona today we have to take him to the end.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

you are correct

-vote Marlwyn Janson

Screw it

Please hold that vote if you are going to vote. That puts her at either L-1 or L-2

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

-vote S-FM Marlwyn Janson

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Please hold that vote if you are going to vote. That puts her at either L-1 or L-2

Puts her in L1

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

-unvote

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[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

-unvote

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Your vote go properly anyway. You forgot the S-FM

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Your vote didn't go properly anyway. You forgot the S-FM

my brain and hands move at different speeds

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

there I backed out so we can see what wilbird has to say. I want him to explaine before day ends on Quinne claim.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

-unvote

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What are you trying to accomplish? I don't know if you've gotten impatient or what but that was a potential mislynch snipe. You just analyzed votes and concluded that scum want another mislynch today. Go with what you believe.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Quinne Do you belive The EXE Claim? do you belive he is NB?

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

@S-FM Quinne Do you believe the EXe claim do you believe Joha is NB?

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Our best play today is killing wilbird since he can only ever be NE or mafia w/ Quinne but if Mulan is what the collective desires then the collective shall have Mulan.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Our best play today is killing wilbird since he can only ever be NE or mafia w/ Quinne but if Mulan is what the collective desires then the collective shall have Mulan.

I hate this post with a passion.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

So I see people haven't considered that there is still the possibility that Joha is either mafia, neutral evil, or is neutral benign turned into an evil role.
@Mage llan Core Can the clone take turncoat if the turncoat picked to side with Brookmonds? That technically would mean they have no killing power. Additionally, would the new turncoat get to pick a win condition?

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

So I see people haven't considered that there is still the possibility that Joha is either mafia, neutral evil, or is neutral benign turned into an evil role.
@Mage llan Core Can the clone take turncoat if the turncoat picked to side with Brookmonds? That technically would mean they have no killing power. Additionally, would the new turncoat get to pick a win condition?

@Mage llan Core

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

@Mage llan Core

See? It's not just me!!

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

So I see people haven't considered that there is still the possibility that Joha is either mafia, neutral evil, or is neutral benign turned into an evil role.
@Mage llan Core Can the clone take turncoat if the turncoat picked to side with Brookmonds? That technically would mean they have no killing power. Additionally, would the new turncoat get to pick a win condition?

@S-FM Magellan Core