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  1. ISO #3451

    Re: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

    Why is the link in Russian lmao
    I thought you were linking a Soviet song... nope, not exactly it seems. Still musically good though

    Also, honestly, your start didn't give me much hope in you being more than a random troll from the Arcade lol, and others didn't help you much looking like anything else (also "anti-new-player-meta" isn't really a thing, it's more like anti-weird-and-probably-suboptimal plays meta, but that's quite unforgiving towards new players when people literally ignore the fact the player is new). I apologize for my thoughtcrime and hope you'll stay
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  2. ISO #3452

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Why is the link in Russian lmao
    I thought you were linking a Soviet song... nope, not exactly it seems. Still musically good though
    It's always becos of Putin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Also, honestly, your start didn't give me much hope in you being more than a random troll from the Arcade lol, and others didn't help you much looking like anything else (also "anti-new-player-meta" isn't really a thing, it's more like anti-weird-and-probably-suboptimal plays meta, but that's quite unforgiving towards new players when people literally ignore the fact the player is new). I apologize for my thoughtcrime and hope you'll stay
    It might be weird to regulars, but coming as a new player. We do not know what is weird and isn't.
    After all, I think I can say that this is my first vanilla FM.

    My first FM has a lot of mechanics involved and the game was solved mechanically, just like how the arcade was played.

    Don't worry about it. I've already forgotten all about it after the game ends.
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  3. ISO #3453

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    Oh yeah, calling for modules and threatening to rage quit shouldn't be allowed here. If you need to do either, please talk to the host privately. I refuse or unsign if I see people that ragequit sign onto games Im interested in.

    Not trying to burst the bubble though. I enjoyed the game for the significant most part.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  4. ISO #3454

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    Off the top of my head, I know of no other Mafia site where speaking about your reasons to sub-out is permitted with anyone other than the host privately. It damages the game integrity.

    On the other hand we have a rule "You may not rage quit a game." - which is not a humane rule and shouldn't (it doesn't luckily) be taken serious.

  5. ISO #3455

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    @Auwt and @MartinGG99
    Hello fellow Mafia. I'm deeply saddened when both of you died Day 1 and Day 2. So sorry I couldn't get you guys the win. It was so close.. I hatched and executed the plan since night 2. I really was gunning for the win. It was hard cos of their "meta readings" that makes a lot of people "town-locked" other people, and as a new player, that sucked XD.
    No need to be sorry, managing to go this far into the game while being under the pressure of surviving as a last living scum is an outstanding performance.
    It was indeed very close, and I believe you achieved a really great job fooling and mind-blasting the town, congratulations !
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    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
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    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
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    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  6. ISO #3456

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford
    Thank you for voting me, even though you caught me day 1. But once you've said you'll hard press me Day 2, you had to die. It's a good thing no one caught up on that cos people are fixated on the idea that getting you killed night 1 is because it's a meme. But don't worry. I won't do something like in the foreseeable future just for the memes.
    It's okay, I'm used to it ):

    In all seriousness I was going to thunderdome you D2 lol so probably was a good idea to deal with me N1, quite a smart play.

    Just shows that even though mod players are weird we still don't do that bad of a job lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
    I feel like I'm watching a horror movie and the protag. group is exploring an old house or something and everything is super quiet, but you know something bad is about to happen. Mafia man is about to come out from behind the basement furnace and gun down varcron right in front of me. And there will be nothing I can do.

  7. ISO #3457

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    Yeah hindsight is 20/20. Now that the haze of the game is lifted I see pretty clearly my behavior wasn't cool. Sorry @Yuesford

    For the record you played very well. It's just frustrating to potentially lose a game to someone I correctly scumread on day 1. I do think you played very well in the second half of the game, it was just really hard for you to close it after a weak day 1 that made you look like a troll. This is an environment where I just really don't like dealing with trolls. It feels particularly disrespectful when I'm choosing to spend a lot of my time on a game and someone trolls.

    There's an alternate universe where you start out this game very strong and go down as an extremely impressive scum player who carried a game singlehandedly after his scummates were lynched d1 and d2. I have immense respect for that. No hard feelings
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    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I haven't read the game but getting a D1 D2 Auwt Martin scum lynch has to be a fluke.. :/
    Neither of them are readable, much less be first lynch materials..
    Auwt is apparently very readable considering he has a 0% scum winrate in 5 games (his words not mine)
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
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    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  10. ISO #3460

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I haven't read the game but getting a D1 D2 Auwt Martin scum lynch has to be a fluke.. :/
    Neither of them are readable, much less be first lynch materials..
    Bro Auwt took a bullshit stance on the stupid Light vs Yusuf standoff. His reasoning for scumreading Light was utter bullshit. It wasn't a set in stone thing but it made him the most desirable lunch day 1 FMPOV
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I haven't read the game but getting a D1 D2 Auwt Martin scum lynch has to be a fluke.. :/
    Neither of them are readable, much less be first lynch materials..
    I don't think it was a fluke to eliminate me tbh

    I was observing a champs game as wolf that I had just died in (and put a notable amount of effort into), as well as handing another wolf game where I was alive in.

    I didn't have much leftover energy for another game, especially as a wolf-rand. I'm preety sure I played squarely in my scum meta (when I'm low-effort) in such a way that it had to be much more obvious than my other wolf games.

    Like

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    but whatevs

    I'll do more if I feel like it
    p sure this called for me to be not let alive beyond, like, D3

    this is an incredibly self-serving position and I don't think there's much to say that "this is town martin" in the rest of my iso
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  12. ISO #3462

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Yuesford has done really well! Super impressed. I was cheering them on!
    not to dissuade paopan... but honestly it was more that the town played like shit. he did okay for his first game, but... not stellar
    also, I predicted paopan would win

  13. ISO #3463

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    People analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

    I mean Day 1 is just useless spam neway and a couple guys smelling their own farts.
    Strongly disagree with this statement. Always have and always will. You could go as far as saying that Day 1 is the most important day as either alignment. When I'm scum, D1 is the day that scares me the most. It's very easy to slip on d1 when you're scum, and to say something dumb and scummy.

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    I wish I could rep Stealth’s post.

    I actually think Yuesford played better in days 1 and 2, but when we got to the final six, it was pretty obvious that Renegade and Yuesford could be the only scum. It’s probably because I’m so used to playing with trolls on the mod.

    However, Yuesford made it tough for me to decide between him and Stealth on the final day. GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    I wish I could rep Stealth’s post.

    I actually think Yuesford played better in days 1 and 2, but when we got to the final six, it was pretty obvious that Renegade and Yuesford could be the only scum. It’s probably because I’m so used to playing with trolls on the mod.

    However, Yuesford made it tough for me to decide between him and Stealth on the final day. GG
    Just rep a random non-FM post of his and use the link to his FM post (that you intended to rep) in the description for the rep
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  17. ISO #3467

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Just rep a random non-FM post of his and use the link to his FM post (that you intended to rep) in the description for the rep
    Why does everyone forget that you can have admins manually input rep for you by using the little triangle with an exclamation point?
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    MM even came in a slot everyone town read and called out yeusford as Mafia from his posts. Yet was not that days lynch. Well played everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    not to dissuade paopan... but honestly it was more that the town played like shit. he did okay for his first game, but... not stellar
    also, I predicted paopan would win
    I don't understand why this comment needs to be made. Who was it that played "like shit", or was it every single town member? Nothing about this is even constructive either.

    This isn't even the first time you made it. You said it in discord, so obviously you feel very very strongly about this statement.

    These host-observers are the fucking worst.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I don't understand why this comment needs to be made. Who was it that played "like shit", or was it every single town member? Nothing about this is even constructive either.

    This isn't even the first time you made it. You said it in discord, so obviously you feel very very strongly about this statement.

    These host-observers are the fucking worst.
    Agreed, get outta here with that Calixesque attitude town successfully lunched scum days 1 and 2 in a flipless game. That's hardly shit play. Sure town made mistakes but town always does. If they didn't then mafia wouldnt be fun to play
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    To be fair, town did play badly in some regards, and I'm very much including myself in this (should've sticked to my early views on Yues instead of going after literally everyone else afterwards lmao). It's not a reason to shit on people tho, and it certainly doesn't make Yues' super-suspicious => believable enough metamorphosis less skillful.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    To be fair, town did play badly in some regards, and I'm very much including myself in this (should've sticked to my early views on Yues instead of going after literally everyone else afterwards lmao). It's not a reason to shit on people tho, and it certainly doesn't make Yues' super-suspicious => believable enough metamorphosis less skillful.
    It's perfectly fine saying where you yourself screwed up, and making specific suggestions to other people. I've seen a lot of that towards yuesford.

    But there's nothing fair about saying 11 players that their play was shit. That's like half or more of our total community, isn't it?

    Like, what did vacaron or banana, who died n1, warrant the title of bad play?

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    It's perfectly fine saying where you yourself screwed up, and making specific suggestions to other people. I've seen a lot of that towards yuesford.

    But there's nothing fair about saying 11 players that their play was shit. That's like half or more of our total community, isn't it?
    I literally said that it wasn't a reason to shit on people lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Like, what did vacaron or banana, who died n1, warrant the title of bad play?
    this was probably a rhetorical question, and yet I'm gonna answer because it's interesting theory-wise: the heinous crime of not being towny. Being towny is the most important, and getting lynched / shot by vigilante is a failure when it's not on your own terms (i.e. when it wasn't part of an agreement with other townies to solve the game). Failing is perfectly normal though, you just have to limit it as much as possible ^^
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Agreed, get outta here with that Calixesque attitude town successfully lunched scum days 1 and 2 in a flipless game. That's hardly shit play. Sure town made mistakes but town always does. If they didn't then mafia wouldnt be fun to play
    What do you mean town makes mistakes?! That's impossible! :kappa:

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    Host Review, I think it was a great Game. No one played like crap everyone played a great game. This is one of the rare times that I believe everyone But one player (will not name names( Mod Killed)) Played great. I really enjoyed seeing this game move as it did making it to Final Three and seeing town pull it out. Mafia team did a good job making it to final three.
    @Obreon Remember it is easy for us to see players errors because we have all the info. If we where in there shoes who knows what mistakes we would have made. Like i said everyone played a great game.
    Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
    Spoiler : :
    WHY CANT YOU FOLLOW SIMPLE DIRECTIONS?
    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Host Review, I think it was a great Game. No one played like crap everyone played a great game. This is one of the rare times that I believe everyone But one player (will not name names( Mod Killed)) Played great. I really enjoyed seeing this game move as it did making it to Final Three and seeing town pull it out. Mafia team did a good job making it to final three.
    @Obreon Remember it is easy for us to see players errors because we have all the info. If we where in there shoes who knows what mistakes we would have made. Like i said everyone played a great game.
    I did not say I would not have made the same mistakes, or that I do not make such mistakes. In fact I made the same mistake in an off-site game very recently so I think I have an objective perspective in this situation. I am simply stating what I am seeing, and that is what I am seeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I did not say I would not have made the same mistakes, or that I do not make such mistakes. In fact I made the same mistake in an off-site game very recently so I think I have an objective perspective in this situation. I am simply stating what I am seeing, and that is what I am seeing.
    It's kind of awkward to say: "town played like shit, but I do the same. Guess I have shit town play!", isn't it? There's no reason to call everyone's play shit in the post game. We didn't like it in discord, and most people don't like it now. Please learn to give constructive criticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Host Review, I think it was a great Game. No one played like crap everyone played a great game. This is one of the rare times that I believe everyone But one player (will not name names( Mod Killed)) Played great. I really enjoyed seeing this game move as it did making it to Final Three and seeing town pull it out. Mafia team did a good job making it to final three.
    @Obreon Remember it is easy for us to see players errors because we have all the info. If we where in there shoes who knows what mistakes we would have made. Like i said everyone played a great game.
    Comments like these from Mike make me always always want to sign for his games, because he knows how not to make his players feel bad post game.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    It's kind of awkward to say: "town played like shit, but I do the same. Guess I have shit town play!", isn't it? There's no reason to call everyone's play shit in the post game. We didn't like it in discord, and most people don't like it now. Please learn to give constructive criticism.

    Comments like these from Mike make me always always want to sign for his games, because he knows how not to make his players feel bad post game.
    Although I agree it's rude to call people shit without context, I have to point out saying "guess I play like shit" is exactly what people have been doing and is the reason people improve lol. It's literally true: people make mistakes, they learn from it and then make less mistakes. Maybe Oberon's post had some overly brutal honesty, but the general idea remains, and I'm perfectly fine with people saying players made mistakes, including themselves; I do it all the time. It's just maybe in the way of putting it. But if it's the reality of imperfection that bothers people, then... oh no, reality hurts! So let's not confuse civility and facts. Recognizing mistakes makes one improve his play, and that's a big part of where the fun lies.

    Also, in this specific case, I agree with Banana that the long survival of the scum was mostly due to Yuesford's newfound skills and not to town mistakes, although town could have been better obviously (as always).
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    That's the thing though. Maybe some people made some mistakes (and I'm specifically avoiding who I think played very well and not so well), but I disagree with the notion that the entire town played like shit. It's not true and it's toxic. There's a difference here between your constructive introspection and a blanket insulting untruth.

    I think I've beaten this point to it's death though and won't be responding anymore. Hopefully I don't see such comments again!

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Although I agree it's rude to call people shit without context, I have to point out saying "guess I play like shit" is exactly what people have been doing and is the reason people improve lol. It's literally true: people make mistakes, they learn from it and then make less mistakes. Maybe Oberon's post had some overly brutal honesty, but the general idea remains, and I'm perfectly fine with people saying players made mistakes, including themselves; I do it all the time. It's just maybe in the way of putting it. But if it's the reality of imperfection that bothers people, then... oh no, reality hurts! So let's not confuse civility and facts. Recognizing mistakes makes one improve his play, and that's a big part of where the fun lies.

    Also, in this specific case, I agree with Banana that the long survival of the scum was mostly due to Yuesford's newfound skills and not to town mistakes, although town could have been better obviously (as always).
    Man you're really inconsistent with your definition of toxicity and it's frankly disappointing.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Host Review, I think it was a great Game. No one played like crap everyone played a great game. This is one of the rare times that I believe everyone But one player (will not name names( Mod Killed)) Played great. I really enjoyed seeing this game move as it did making it to Final Three and seeing town pull it out. Mafia team did a good job making it to final three.
    @Obreon Remember it is easy for us to see players errors because we have all the info. If we where in there shoes who knows what mistakes we would have made. Like i said everyone played a great game.
    Comments like these are kinda what starts to earn you nick names like Soft Mike. Just next game you host please don't put not for the weak it's extremely misleading for those that aren't weak, or at least outline what moves each type of player is allowed 2 use so, new players can't gambit or bus etc... etc.... First game I've played where the hosts skin broke so quickly, ironic given the title, most other hosts so far have been far better.
    Last edited by ZZorange; July 14th, 2021 at 01:38 PM.
    The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.

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    I have to agree to some extent, the modkill has been quite quickly decided.
    Since ZZ is still fairly new to FM, probably just a warning would have worked.
    As a last resort, a force sub-out, not that the game integrity has been severely affected, so it would have also worked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I have to agree to some extent, the modkill has been quite quickly decided.
    Since ZZ is still fairly new to FM, probably just a warning would have worked.
    As a last resort, a force sub-out, not that the game integrity has been severely affected, so it would have also worked.
    On the bright side though, his 4th game will probably be a proper. Which is why I personally don't mind the little spank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I have to agree to some extent, the modkill has been quite quickly decided.
    Since ZZ is still fairly new to FM, probably just a warning would have worked.
    As a last resort, a force sub-out, not that the game integrity has been severely affected, so it would have also worked.
    I agree that a warning would have been the way to go here - at least clarify with the player what their angle is. Great liberty is given to experienced players all the time to make stupid gambits and fake claims as town

    But if after the warning/clarification the player was still found to be only trolling with the fake claim and not making any actual play, a sub-out/replace doesn't really fit. Due to angleshooting people would basically town clear the slot since a fake claiming mafia player wouldn't get force replaced for doing so. The game being flipless makes the modkill even more necessary IMO vs a force replace.
    Last edited by BananaCucho; July 14th, 2021 at 01:20 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    On the bright side though, his 4th game will probably be a proper. Which is why I personally don't mind the little spank.
    Probably don't see myself signing up for a Soft Mike game anytime soon, and all the other hosts have been based and redpilled so I don't see why that would change.
    The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    I agree that a warning would have been the way to go here - at least clarify with the player what their angle is. Great liberty is given to experienced players all the time to make stupid gambits and fake claims as town
    I concur that a warning should have probably been used instead of a modkill, seeing as we have had experienced players do some pretty dumb stuff that did not even get mentioned or brought up after the game in the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
    I feel like I'm watching a horror movie and the protag. group is exploring an old house or something and everything is super quiet, but you know something bad is about to happen. Mafia man is about to come out from behind the basement furnace and gun down varcron right in front of me. And there will be nothing I can do.

  49. ISO #3499

    Re: S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    That's the thing though. Maybe some people made some mistakes (and I'm specifically avoiding who I think played very well and not so well), but I disagree with the notion that the entire town played like shit. It's not true and it's toxic. There's a difference here between your constructive introspection and a blanket insulting untruth.
    Fair point. It's the manner of saying it that may lean towards toxicity imo though, not really the content. Or maybe I'm just twisting the content to make it what I wish it would be.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Man you're really inconsistent with your definition of toxicity and it's frankly disappointing.
    I already said it was rude, so I'm not sure what you're on about. I'm talking about the "constructive introspection" part, as Voss put it, which was going down the drain along with the "everyone is shit". Again, don't confuse civility and facts. I don't approve of calling everyone shit, but I also don't approve of saying "noone made any mistakes", and I approve even less of those who say nobody should say otherwise, even in a civil manner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I have to agree to some extent, the modkill has been quite quickly decided.
    Since ZZ is still fairly new to FM, probably just a warning would have worked.
    As a last resort, a force sub-out, not that the game integrity has been severely affected, so it would have also worked.
    Forcing the sub-out in a situation where the slot was heavily affected by weird claims would have been very damaging and would have opened the door to angleshooting way too hard. Imagine you're town seeing ZZ force-replaced and then his replacement says "forget everything my predecessor has said, I'm just VT lol". Even if you want to avoid reading into the replacement, it will be impossible not to think that the replacement was due to trolling.

    As for warning vs modkilling, I agree that in hindsight it would have been better to warn before and modkill after if it didn't stop. That being said, I definetly wouldn't say the modkill was abusive given the circumstances, just not optimal (and probably very unpleasing for the modkilled player). And note that in some regards, the modkill better preserved game integrity than waiting longer would have, considering town would have been completely misled for a really long and significant time if the modkill hadn't happened quickly enough. So I'd just say it's a lesson for the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
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  50. ISO #3500

    Re: S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    I concur that a warning should have probably been used instead of a modkill, seeing as we have had experienced players do some pretty dumb stuff that did not even get mentioned or brought up after the game in the past.
    For the record, I also thought ZZ's modkill was extreme. Also, his role was flipped in a flipless setup.

    Would it have happened if he was scum?

 

 

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