S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[Lumi]

@Varcron

If Yues is scum and Pringles is town, what role could Yues possibly be where he would be scum visiting town?

When you PoE through the possible scum roles for Yuesford, you see that there is no scum role that actually visits town in the way that Yuesford did, meaning Yuesford must have been visiting Templar/scum

[Oberon]

Then who the fuck started that rumor up? I'm fucking confused now

I did and retracted it, scroll back up

[Lumi]

Then who the fuck started that rumor up? I'm fucking confused now

Oberon did, Oberon claimed knight with a red check on MM, and then at L-1 he retracted it

[blinkskater]

Frinckles and blinkskater cannot both be town - choose one or the other

@Marshmallow Marshall
@Numbertwo
@Varcron
@Frinckles
@theoneceko
@ZZorange
@CRichardForumLies
@Yuesford
@Oberon
@PQRnHack
@WrathCyber

This isn't even accurate, If frinckles is real and saw a PR/Magus/Shadow - YUES visit me, how does that mean I can't be real either?

[Frinckles]

what made you visit yuesford?
why did you jump to the conclusion yuesford/blink were scum? did you scum read any of them prior to that?

Ok. Since you keep annoying me.

I just kind of randomed Yuesford.

I got the conclusion because no night kill. It appears that they levelled up a team member. In which case it's plausible I found two of them.

[theoneceko]

As of now I have my doubts as to frinckles being real.

I can't see him doing what he did the way he did as town, there's just to much agenda to it the way he jumped straight into Yues and I are SVS. There was no like interaction in thread to figure out what was what, it just seemed way to calculated. I could see frinckles doing this to out most of the PR'S, which did happen, and to try and take the heat off Lagattack. Frinckles knows I usually push my scum reads to hell and back, and fmpov after the OZY lynch, and the Lag train kind of disolving, I think it made Lag look sus. I can totally see a Lag+frinckles team ATM. Lag's behavior has been relentless, bashing me everytime i'm in thread.

I'm not sure where oberon/wrath fit in I assume jester between one of them and the other could probably be scum. I do get the feel mags been a bit pockety on me but IDK. I could see him as town but after his gambit I'm not so sure. He also doesn't fit into the frinck+lag team.

At this point in time the third scum eludes me. I thought it was PQR for how opportunistic he seemed when frinckles and Lag seemed like they were trying to bury me, but he's looked better as of late.

i only strongly TR ceko and Yues

HEWWO HEWWOOOOO

[Varcron]

If Yues is scum and Pringles is town, what role could Yues possibly be where he would be scum visiting town?

Shaman is the only possibility other than slime.

[blinkskater]

If frinckles is scum here Yues could easily be his partner along with Lag, it would make sense why things went the way they did too.

[Oberon]

Ok. Since you keep annoying me.

I just kind of randomed Yuesford.

I got the conclusion because no night kill. It appears that they levelled up a team member. In which case it's plausible I found two of them.

so you literally had no reason? lol
did you consider the possibility that yuesford was the other PR, or even the Magus, who would 100% visit someone?

[Lumi]

They can be both town

If Yuesford is not Darkness but a lesser scum role, and Frinckles is actually Archer, and the real Magus actually levelled up blink

Then both can be town.

I mentioned it elsewhere, but there are no lesser scum roles that actually just solo visit a town:

Gargoyle - can't visit
Shaman - does 2 visits
Fanatic - visits shadows
Horror - Scares villagers away from their house, notifying them (blink didn't say he was scared away, so not horror)
Slime - This one is the only one that CAN solo visit a town, but why would a slime visit and risk getting spotted by an Archer UNLESS darkness also visited the target? But if Darkness visited the target then blink would have claimed being leveled up and then leveled down. He didn't claim that, therefore slime is not likely either

[Oberon]

or even the possibility that they got visited by a horror? I mean Yuesford has been pretty cryptic here

[Lumi]

Shaman is the only possibility other than slime.

Shaman would have told Frinckles two targets (confirmed by host), and slime doesn't make sense as I mentioned in my other post

[Varcron]

I mentioned it elsewhere, but there are no lesser scum roles that actually just solo visit a town:

Gargoyle - can't visit
Shaman - does 2 visits
Fanatic - visits shadows
Horror - Scares villagers away from their house, notifying them (blink didn't say he was scared away, so not horror)
Slime - This one is the only one that CAN solo visit a town, but why would a slime visit and risk getting spotted by an Archer UNLESS darkness also visited the target? But if Darkness visited the target then blink would have claimed being leveled up and then leveled down. He didn't claim that, therefore slime is not likely either

Which means that Yuesford has to be a role that he doesn't want to reveal, which is probably understandable.

[blinkskater]

so you literally had no reason? lol
did you consider the possibility that yuesford was the other PR, or even the Magus, who would 100% visit someone?

indeed

[Varcron]

Shaman would have told Frinckles two targets (confirmed by host), and slime doesn't make sense as I mentioned in my other post

Yeah I just read your post, idk then.

[Lumi]

or even the possibility that they got visited by a horror? I mean Yuesford has been pretty cryptic here

If Yuesford was visited by a horror, frinckles AND villager~Yues would have been notified

[Lumi]

Yeah I just read your post, idk then.

That's why it has to be either Frinckles, or Yues+blink thunderdome

Take your pick

[blinkskater]

@Auwt can a fanatic visit a town or only shadows?

[Frinckles]

so you literally had no reason? lol
did you consider the possibility that yuesford was the other PR, or even the Magus, who would 100% visit someone?

Correct. I just threw a dart at the board.

No I didn't consider that he was a PR but I suppose in hindsight he made the most sense of the afk-players. He was quiet and trolly but had like no personality compared to #2 or Zz's sassy ass.

[Oberon]

@Frinckles why didn't you answer me the first time? jester or no jester, its still a question that needs answering
also, if you did in fact know I was lying, why did you try to hammer MM? since you said I'm jester and not Mafia, I would let him be hammered right?

[Frinckles]

I already felt confident with finding townies. I wanted to check a null-read.

[Lumi]

@Auwt can a fanatic visit a town or only shadows?

It's literally in their role card
"Fanatic (Protection) (LVL 1)
Target a member of the Shadows at night.
You will give them a protection that will only last for this night.
You can target yourself."

(But considering how you only skim anyway, I get it, you missed it)

[Oberon]

someone else ought to look at Frinckles, because I'm so tunnelled right now I would probably scum read everything he says even if he's mafia

[blinkskater]

If frinckles is real Yues could be slime and tried to janitor me but I leveled up so there was no kill

but at the same time he could be a doctor/magus/PR that visited me

[blinkskater]

It's literally in their role card
"Fanatic (Protection) (LVL 1)
Target a member of the Shadows at night.
You will give them a protection that will only last for this night.
You can target yourself."

(But considering how you only skim anyway, I get it, you missed it)

that doesn't mean he CANT go on a town fuck off

[Varcron]

If frinckles is real Yues could be slime and tried to janitor me but I leveled up so there was no kill

but at the same time he could be a doctor/magus/PR that visited me

What Magus form would he use to visit you?

Doesn't make any sense to visit you as the protecting or RBing, so.

[Yuesford]

Guys.. I'm so happy I always get mentioned in every pages.
It seemed like I'm not alone at all. I love you guys!

On the serious note. I won't vote the mellowy names.

[theoneceko]

Shaman would have told Frinckles two targets (confirmed by host), and slime doesn't make sense as I mentioned in my other post

yes, frinckles's archer claim makes no sense.

HEY I'M JAY FROM THE KUBZzzzz SCOUTS

OBJECTION!!!

TAKE THAT!!!!

IT'S THAT, DUDE!!!

[blinkskater]

that doesn't mean he CANT go on a town fuck off

that was directed at AUWT not you so kindly keep your agenda out of my questions to the host k thx

[Lumi]

If frinckles is real Yues could be slime and tried to janitor me but I leveled up so there was no kill

but at the same time he could be a doctor/magus/PR that visited me

If he was trying to janitor you then you would have been leveled down too - but you didn't claim that.

If he were doctor (or any other actual power role), why did he not CC when 3 other people claimed power roles in order to verify himself + frinckles as the two real power roles?

If he were Magus what ability did he possibly use on you? The protection one? That can be used once per game on a night where a level 1 hero literally couldn't be killed?

[PQRnHack]

fuck this

even more scumpoints. u are not helping town AT ALL with this endless setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION IS A STRATEGY EVILS USE TO DISTRACT FROM SCUMHUNTING

give us ur scumreads. just focus on scumreading for the rest of the game.

Don't tell me what to do. I use mechanics in conjunction with players' claims, because mechanics dont lie, players do. Planning to ignore most of your posts from here, just like your earlier +scumpoints one.

[Oberon]

man this was exhausting as fuck

[blinkskater]

What Magus form would he use to visit you?

Doesn't make any sense to visit you as the protecting or RBing, so.

The protection one seems most likely to me, making sure a new asset is okay.

[Varcron]

The protection one seems most likely to me, making sure a new asset is okay.

Yeah except if you were leveled up you wouldn't have been killed anyways.

[Lumi]

The protection one seems most likely to me, making sure a new asset is okay.

And how would a level 1 hero get killed night 1? There is literally zero killing roles for scum on night 1, worst case you get de-leveled, but that's not so bad compared to throwing away your ONLY protection ability for the ENTIRE GAME

[blinkskater]

If he was trying to janitor you then you would have been leveled down too - but you didn't claim that.

If he were doctor (or any other actual power role), why did he not CC when 3 other people claimed power roles in order to verify himself + frinckles as the two real power roles?

If he were Magus what ability did he possibly use on you? The protection one? That can be used once per game on a night where a level 1 hero literally couldn't be killed?

No I would not have been leveled down, that's an outright lie

[Lumi]

I think it's very suspicious that blinkskater doesn't want to acknowledge the fact that if Frinckles is town, then he's scum - because that means after a Frinckles lynch, town goes for him next

[Varcron]

Also, you did say that you picked Paladin, correct @blinkskater

[Lumi]

No I would not have been leveled down, that's an outright lie

Awfully confident from someone that only skims the setup, what makes you so confident about that, rather than acknowledging that maybe Frinckles could be scum?

[blinkskater]

Yeah except if you were leveled up you wouldn't have been killed anyways.

true but scum wouldn't know im being leveled up

[theoneceko]

I think it's very suspicious that blinkskater doesn't want to acknowledge the fact that if Frinckles is town, then he's scum - because that means after a Frinckles lynch, town goes for him next

BLINKSKATER CLAIMED GETTING LEVELED UP, NO CC

[blinkskater]

Awfully confident from someone that only skims the setup, what makes you so confident about that, rather than acknowledging that maybe Frinckles could be scum?

what are you talking about you just said if the janitor visits me id be leveled down I looked and it didnt say that.

[PQRnHack]

yes, frinckles's archer claim makes no sense.

HEY I'M JAY FROM THE KUBZzzzz SCOUTS

OBJECTION!!!

TAKE THAT!!!!

IT'S THAT, DUDE!!!

The post that you responded to does not offer much to conclude that "archer claim makes no sense". How does excluding 2 shadow types, shaman and slime, make the archer claim non-sensical? Can still be Magus, Darkness, Fanatic.

[Varcron]

true but scum wouldn't know im being leveled up

Fair point, except that completely removes the protection magus from the question

Which means Yuesford needs to hardclaim to solve this.

And if he's villager he's fucking lying unless Frinckles is scum.

[Lumi]

BLINKSKATER CLAIMED GETTING LEVELED UP, NO CC

THAT LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER - MAGUS COULD HAVE SCREWED UP AND LEVELED UP A SCUM

[blinkskater]

Also, you did say that you picked Paladin, correct @blinkskater

Yes

[Frinckles]

@Frinckles why didn't you answer me the first time? jester or no jester, its still a question that needs answering
also, if you did in fact know I was lying, why did you try to hammer MM? since you said I'm jester and not Mafia, I would let him be hammered right?

Because I've been asked that question three times now and answered it three times.

And again, I didn't try to hammer MM. That is a lie.

[Lumi]

what are you talking about you just said if the janitor visits me id be leveled down I looked and it didnt say that.

Yes, you weren't leveled down, therefore the Yues visit wasn't Janitor + some third person being Darkness visiting you

[theoneceko]

you're MASSIVELY misplaying by pushing for blink here. although i will apply crichard's "villagers dissent from consensus" and say you're still town.

[blinkskater]

Fair point, except that completely removes the protection magus from the question

Which means Yuesford needs to hardclaim to solve this.

And if he's villager he's fucking lying unless Frinckles is scum.

Yeh, but Yues could also be scum with frinckles here to