S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[Oberon]

also there's absolutely no world where im lynching ozywho y'all can go fuck yourselves

[PQRnHack]

LAGATTACK IS DEAD TONIGHT UNLESS HE SWITCHES OFF BLINKSKATER AND ONTO PORNHACK

ALL

I have validated my point that talking smack in the first 24-36 hours is less valuable than the action leading up to T0. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, OBERON?

[Oberon]

number2 is also looking pretty scummy, afk all day and comes back at eod to vote? yeah no someone shoot the fuck out of that guy

if

[Lumi]

number2 is also looking pretty scummy, afk all day and comes back at eod to vote? yeah no someone shoot the fuck out of that guy

if

Is this the first post you've made in which I actually agree with you? lol

[PQRnHack]

@Oberon why should they vote me, when I'm a dope member of the Village? I think Lag is also our homie.

[Oberon]

After chit chatting with blink all game long, can you please give a read on blink?

lol, also, are you openly claiming shadow here?

I refuse to lynch a nullread who also happens to be a rather useful player, lynch lag attack, pornhack, number two, yuesford or MM

I really don't like how number two just came back at EoD to place a vote and then fucked off.

[Varcron]

Alright I think I can rule scum pairings with the above posted VC.

Varcron/ZZOrange and Frinckles.
WrathCyber/OzyWho,TheoneCeko and Yuesford.
PQR/#2 and myself.
Lagattack/Oberon and blinkstalker.
Marshmallow Marshal/OzyWho

Okay I nearly spat out what I was drinking when I read this scum pairing list

Me, ZZ, and Frinckles? Pringles has sus of me the entire day, and I've been on ZZ for the last portion of the day

Ozy/Ceko/Yues/Cyber.... I can understand the Ozy/Ceko, but I see absolutely no connection between the other two here.

PQR/#2/You yeah I can see that, #2 and PQR for sure, but you haven't really intereracted with them from what I remember reading previously

Lag/Ober/Blink, yeah no, blink and Lag were going back and forth and since I assume Lag isn't experienced with bussing that is likely either a TVT or SVT with Lag as scum

MM/Ozy... Couldn't tell you



I'm reading up slowly, i'll keep responding as I go along.

[Oberon]

I have validated my point that talking smack in the first 24-36 hours is less valuable than the action leading up to T0. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, OBERON?

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and that idea is not true in any game of mafia how do you expect to lynch scum with that strategy

[Lumi]

I refuse to lynch a nullread who also happens to be a rather useful player, lynch lag attack, pornhack, number two, yuesford or MM

I really don't like how number two just came back at EoD to place a vote and then fucked off.

I could get behind a #2 train - if he flips scum then it gives a lot of information on what Frinckles called out blink for earlier, how blink went after me hard for something that #2 did as well

[Auwt]

Choice of words is important here Lots of chaos in the last 2 hours over the mechanics. Add to the setup thread pls.

Please answer: what is the timeframe for the leveled-up Villager to pick Hero? Based on your comment regarding "notification of leveling up", I assume it has to be during the night.

Please answer: when you say they will become that hero "the following night" does that refer to the night immediately following the day of leveling-up? Or the next night. E.g., day 1 level up, does "following night" refer to N1 or N2 for becoming the hero?

They have the whole night to choose their role among the Heroes pool, supposing they were Villager.
They can use their role power on the same night they level up, so better not to give the role at the last minute of the night.

"Following night" means the night that follows the EOD level up, so let's say DAY 1 the Magus wants to level up a Villager, then during NIGHT 1 this Villager has to choose a LVL 1 Hero role and become it.

[Lumi]

Okay I nearly spat out what I was drinking when I read this scum pairing list

Me, ZZ, and Frinckles? Pringles has sus of me the entire day, and I've been on ZZ for the last portion of the day

Ozy/Ceko/Yues/Cyber.... I can understand the Ozy/Ceko, but I see absolutely no connection between the other two here.

PQR/#2/You yeah I can see that, #2 and PQR for sure, but you haven't really intereracted with them from what I remember reading previously

Lag/Ober/Blink, yeah no, blink and Lag were going back and forth and since I assume Lag isn't experienced with bussing that is likely either a TVT or SVT with Lag as scum

MM/Ozy... Couldn't tell you



I'm reading up slowly, i'll keep responding as I go along.

Richard means those are people that CAN'T be scum pairings

[Oberon]

@Varcron
please vote for lag attack, I don't think it's zzorange, and I really don't want ozy to be lynched because he's gonna flip town 100%

[Oberon]

OZY IS NEVER SCUM HERE WITH 4 PPL VOTING FOR HIM LOL, NOBODY IS EVEN DEFENDING HIM

LITERALLY EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER HAS DEFENDED LAGATTACK, VOTE LAGATTACK FFS

[OzyWho]

I refuse to lynch a nullread who also happens to be a rather useful player, lynch lag attack, pornhack, number two, yuesford or MM

I really don't like how number two just came back at EoD to place a vote and then fucked off.

That's Nr2's town meta though isn't it?

I'm not sold on blinks usefulness given this day, and what he says about lagattack - that he has been lying about being new to everyone for weeks - is questionable to say the least.
I do have slight dejavu from S-FM Silent Night blink.

[PQRnHack]

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and that idea is not true in any game of mafia how do you expect to lynch scum with that strategy

What the hell is all this assertive language that if folks vote Blink then voter is dead tonight? And Lag is dead if she doesnt switch from Blink to me? And "absolutely" not lynching Ozy who started this shit with fake leveling up crap?

[Oberon]

LagAttack/MM/Pornhack or LagAttack/Cyber/MM?
Could that be the team?

[OzyWho]

Okay I nearly spat out what I was drinking when I read this scum pairing list

Me, ZZ, and Frinckles? Pringles has sus of me the entire day, and I've been on ZZ for the last portion of the day

Ozy/Ceko/Yues/Cyber.... I can understand the Ozy/Ceko, but I see absolutely no connection between the other two here.

PQR/#2/You yeah I can see that, #2 and PQR for sure, but you haven't really intereracted with them from what I remember reading previously

Lag/Ober/Blink, yeah no, blink and Lag were going back and forth and since I assume Lag isn't experienced with bussing that is likely either a TVT or SVT with Lag as scum

MM/Ozy... Couldn't tell you



I'm reading up slowly, i'll keep responding as I go along.

@Varcron
he meant `rule out`.

[PQRnHack]

@OzyWho explain why you faked being leveled up.

[Varcron]

I like the care Varcron has about not allowing people to get towncore status for bad reasons. Not a solid tell, but a tell nonetheless.

I probably have enough to make a list of reads now, so here we go:

Oberon (would drop a bit if Ozy flipped green, but would still be towny)
theoneceko

LagAttack

Varcron
WrathCyber (just for the "how does villager work" stuff - I haven't read whatever made people vote him yet)

Blinkskater (solely because I believe Ozy tried to use town!blink to start a train on town!Oberon; if town!Ozy, this read stops existing)
Frinckles (overall seems solvy and all, but I saw nothing out of his scum range)


-- Null reads, i.e. people I don't mention, go here. They are slightly scummy simply by PoE, though, since I have quite a lot of townreads. --


OzyWho

I find this read list intriguing

Personally I don't see how Ozy is scum, but that's probably because as of now I am on page 23 of whatever amount we are. IMO blink is in a more solid town spot because of his points near beginning of the game and constant questioning and pointing out stupidity.

[Oberon]

That's Nr2's town meta though isn't it?

I'm not sold on blinks usefulness given this day, and what he says about lagattack - that he has been lying about being new to everyone for weeks - is questionable to say the least.
I do have slight dejavu from S-FM Silent Night blink.

blink's play here is 100% NAI he is not mafia or town based on his play here

[Oberon]

lmao, MM's reads list is so scummy, and guess what MM is voting for Ozy
I'm like 95% sure MM is scum

[OzyWho]

OZY IS NEVER SCUM HERE WITH 4 PPL VOTING FOR HIM LOL, NOBODY IS EVEN DEFENDING HIM

LITERALLY EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER HAS DEFENDED LAGATTACK, VOTE LAGATTACK FFS

Idk..
that big entrance post by lagattack kinda made me shift from him to blink..

[Oberon]

@Marshmallow Marshall did you rand wolf bro?

[Varcron]

Your confidence in Town!Varcron is unusually high tbh. Varcron is always looked at as scummy almost every game.

This is sus af, I don't recall ever playing with Richard before, so this would not be known by him.

Trying to throw the paint on me from what it looks like.

[OzyWho]

LagAttack/MM/Pornhack or LagAttack/Cyber/MM?
Could that be the team?

I'm ok with lynching MM though

[Oberon]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

YOLO

[theoneceko]

post #1163

-vote lagattack

New top wagon

post #1174

-vote lagattack

I will do my part in the herd

UWOWU HEWWO!!!

-vote OzyWho

[theoneceko]

@Yuesford

OzyWho is scum. lynch ozywho!!!

[Varcron]

bruh you did the same thing with varcron

Town points for Oberon here, completely right in that Wrath did OMGUS people who voted on him (me primarily)

[Oberon]

post #1163


post #1174


UWOWU HEWWO!!!

-vote OzyWho

Unvote or you're dead tonight

[OzyWho]

@OzyWho explain why you faked being leveled up.

fun? bait the scum? give advice to the one leveled up?
It could have been so good.

@PQRnHack
Why did you put so much effort into shifting focus towards my claim?
That's all your effort EoD; and it's basically role hunting.

Like there's 0% towniness to your action.

[PQRnHack]

-vote OzyWho

[Varcron]

Some comments:

Oberon scumread me earlier in the game, and I was fine with it because Oberon was actually justifying his claim with real reasons (eg Oberon said long read lists is a mafia tell and he thinks he caught me out using one as a new player, therefore he thinks I'm scum. And while I think his reasoning is flawed since it overlooks that I am town and that I naturally am just very thorough - it's at least a legitimate contribution)

blinkskater on the other hand comes into the game - refuses to read my ISO, and starts accusing me of having lied to nearly a dozen people outside of the game - Auwt, Helz, ceko, OzyWho, SuperJack, everyone that was in the Matrix6 spectator chat.

When I tell him the truth, that I've just read way more about FM than your average new player, rather than backing off, he doubles down on it, seemingly certain that I am lying to everyone outside of the game.

These aren't scumreads, these are blatant OOG attacks on me - and when I get defensive of it, he fucking mocks me for it - saying I'm bringing OOG stuff into the game when he was the one who started with those OOG attacks.

So yeah, it killed my motivation to play this game.

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I don't think OzyWho is scum. I am inclined to believe that he was a villager that got leveled up.

I think MM has misread OzyWho on virtue of having not read the entire thread.

I agreed (and still agree with) most of Frinckles reads - except Oberon and Varcron - I still get a scummy vibe from Oberon, but that scummy vibe comes mostly from WrathCyber's connection to Oberon and not Oberon himself - so I would want to see Wrath hammered before Oberon 100% of the time. And Varcron, I just don't know about, but I'm not getting the same scum vibe from him that I normally get in the mod. This is FM though so that probably doesn't count for much.

Frinckles said that the scum is among:
Varcron
WrathCyber
CRichardForumLie
Numbertwo
Blinkskater

I really don't like Richard jumping on the Ozy train - feels like a scum trying to eliminate the villager that got leveled up.

Varcron as I said is in a gray area for me.

I find it odd how Blinkskater has defended #2 using "OOG" reasons saying that #2 always plays like that, and then accused me of using OOG reasons to defend myself.

Also why has no one put any scrutiny on this guy? His ENTIRE contribution this game was starting a train on me based on the false predicate that I am secretly an experienced player who came here just to pretend to be new in order to power wolf, but he's too lazy to be assed to actually read me ISO. That's it. That's all he has contributed.

This entire post looks like a town tunnel/rant to me, not much else to be said.

He has a point because him and blink went back at eachother, except I think that was primarily blink testing the waters with Lag rather than an actual attack.

[Oberon]

this train is not town ever lmao this train didn't even exist 3 hours ago

[PQRnHack]

fun? bait the scum? give advice to the one leveled up?
It could have been so good.

@PQRnHack
Why did you put so much effort into shifting focus towards my claim?
That's all your effort EoD; and it's basically role hunting.

Like there's 0% towniness to your action.

You talk shit about my role-hunting when you are the precipitator of that action and the later chaos with Wrath and all. Hope you enjoyed your "fun". Obviously if I was scum and read your post as your becoming a hero, I would be keeping that info to the Shadows.

[OzyWho]

lmao, MM's reads list is so scummy, and guess what MM is voting for Ozy
I'm like 95% sure MM is scum

tbf MM hasn't read most of game, he only skimmed through some ISO's.
He's view on the game is heavily skewed regardless of alignment.

Having said that, I do scum lean him.

[Oberon]

IF YOU HAMMER YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD TONIGHT MARK MY WORDS

[theoneceko]

The activity level so close to EoD (2 hours), and many hours before that, suggests to me slightly that the top wagon that was just recently and for a very long time - WrathCyber - was Town.

do you mean the ppl voting wrath are town or that wrath is town?

[Varcron]

Richard means those are people that CAN'T be scum pairings

Ohhhh I misunderstood, my bad.

[Varcron]

this train is not town ever lmao this train didn't even exist 3 hours ago

This train went up too fast, I agree. I am not hammering or voting on the Ozy train until later on assuming it still exists, I can see how people scumread him though.

[Oberon]

-vote LagAttack

MM isn't happening @OzyWho @Varcron
@whoever the fuck else is town please vote LagAttack it's 100% never Ozy NOBODY IS DEFENDING HIM

[PQRnHack]

IF YOU HAMMER YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD TONIGHT MARK MY WORDS

Convince me

[OzyWho]

This is sus af, I don't recall ever playing with Richard before, so this would not be known by him.

Trying to throw the paint on me from what it looks like.

Nope. It's me questioning wether or not Richard TMI'd (since you're naturally scummy).
His reaction made him my top2 townread ftr.

Btw, how could your natural scummyness be dependant on wether or not someone knows it? I fail to see the logic in that tbh.

[PQRnHack]

-vote LagAttack

MM isn't happening @OzyWho @Varcron
@whoever the fuck else is town please vote LagAttack it's 100% never Ozy NOBODY IS DEFENDING HIM

Nobody? Forgot about yourself? Mr All Caps.

[Oberon]

Convince me

aight pornhack is confirmed scum good to know

[OzyWho]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

YOLO

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I can agree with this.

[Oberon]

Nobody? Forgot about yourself? Mr All Caps.

yup it's always pornhack

[Yuesford]

@theoneceko

I voted OzyWho cos he randomed me. NO ONE VOTES PAOPAN!

[theoneceko]

There are 4 votes on you now (Wrath, CRich, Yues, MM). So this may be a clue. These voters are in one of these categories:
1) Clueless and didnt catch that you claimed getting leveled up today. --> my reminder helps
2) They saw and they are a Shadow wanting new Hero dead and Magus's energy wasted D1. --> could be a clue to who the scums are
3) They believe that you are a Shadow and Magus screwed up.
4) They believe you made a fake claim.

@OzyWho

YOU HAVE TO CLAIM YOUR ROLE NOW IF YOU'RE SOME PR!!!

[OzyWho]

post #1163


post #1174


UWOWU HEWWO!!!

-vote OzyWho

@Yuesford

OzyWho is scum. lynch ozywho!!!

You can't bully me into changing my vote to Wrath.


I wish you were present today, and not just come online 30min before EoD. I'm sure we could have seen eye to eye and discuss reads.