S-FM 232: Stay Classy

[Iced_Monopoly]

Okay, Detective. Yay, not a scum doc or a citizen this time

Ya see. Mass claim is bad, because we actually have PRs. This nerd claims invest. Now he's going to be night killed. And we're going to be down a power role.

Is he baiting? Unlikely, its MM

[Iced_Monopoly]

There is no benefit to claiming roles on d1. Especially when prs have no information. Mesk just got a potential detective killed for nothing. Gg.

-vote Mesk514

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ya see. Mass claim is bad, because we actually have PRs. This nerd claims invest. Now he's going to be night killed. And we're going to be down a power role.

Is he baiting? Unlikely, its MM

The only fact you're asking this to yourself is enough to get a good effect for the Town. Also, do you know a role called "Doctor"? I've thought about it. Also, you were scum last game, so I forgive you. Don't be mean lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

There is no benefit to claiming roles on d1. Especially when prs have no information. Mesk just got a potential detective killed for nothing. Gg.

-vote Mesk514

Oh really?

-vote Iced_Monopoly

Lmao. Just claim already, then we'll see.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Marshmallow Marshall what do you think? who do you think is scum?

The guy I just voted ;)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Gyrlander , please claim something. Same for the newcomer. Claim a role.

[Iced_Monopoly]

The only fact you're asking this to yourself is enough to get a good effect for the Town. Also, do you know a role called "Doctor"? I've thought about it. Also, you were scum last game, so I forgive you. Don't be mean lol.

Town or slots are randomised. There is no guarantee of a doctor. And even if we had a confirmed doctor, they would then be stuck protecting the set claim while mafia killed citizens freely. or if doctor existed and was dumb enough to claim, they'd be killed n1 and we'd still have no doc. Both ptrs would be dead by n2.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Oh really?

-vote Iced_Monopoly

Lmao. Just claim already, then we'll see.

claiming is literally the worst plan. Get your head out of your ass, stop thinking about last game, and ACTUALLY consider the repercussions of what it is your asking players

[Iced_Monopoly]

If you havnt already claimed a role, don't. Only scum have an incentive to role hint this early in the game.

[Hybrid]

Ya see. Mass claim is bad, because we actually have PRs. This nerd claims invest. Now he's going to be night killed. And we're going to be down a power role.

Is he baiting? Unlikely, its MM

nah, we gotta have an accurate lynch on d1, or at least d2.
there are 2 mafs so it should be easy to spot them adn kill them

[Marshmallow Marshall]

People who refuse to claim are susp. The newcomer is forgiven for not telling, since he may simply be AFK. @fokilpt , don't forget about the game!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Got an avatar, since you cried so much about it...

[Iced_Monopoly]

nah, we gotta have an accurate lynch on d1, or at least d2.
there are 2 mafs so it should be easy to spot them adn kill them

No. Its not. Because they're most likely going to claim citizen. Its in their best interest. And then youre inaccurately lynching from a pool of citizens, while youve just revealed a dumb fuck ptr claim. Nothing is good about this plan

[Marshmallow Marshall]

fuck off hybrid, don't steal my fuck plays.

and oh, hai...... i didnt realize this started.


Almighty Mesk always town never votes first post. that's for scrubs.

I'm town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Mesk514 , what's your idea about Iced?

[Iced_Monopoly]

People who refuse to claim are susp. The newcomer is forgiven for not telling, since he may simply be AFK. @fokilpt , don't forget about the game!

The fact that youre still pursuing this, despite being told how it only benefits scum, is whats actually suspicious here. I'm going to get stuck tunneling you this game because youre so bad. Sigh.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The fact that youre still pursuing this, despite being told how it only benefits scum, is whats actually suspicious here. I'm going to get stuck tunneling you this game because youre so bad. Sigh.

The fact is that you are acting like a scum. You are literally saying that you will focus me because I am bad, implying you know I'm not but you're still voting me. Slip there?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The fact is that you are acting like a scum. You are literally saying that you will focus me because I am bad, implying you know I'm not but you're still voting me. Slip there?

implying you know I'm town*

It's more clear like that ;)

[Iced_Monopoly]

You need to get over last game and actually stop to think about what it is youre asking of players and how it will impact the game beyond d1. You can't support something purely because I am against it. Grow the fuck up.

Now tell me, how is the role reveal on day 1 a good plan? what do you think mafia will claim? What do you think mafia will do with the knowledge of everyones claims? What do you think are the chances of actually lynching scum today? What do you think the game is thong to look like by d3?

[Iced_Monopoly]

The fact is that you are acting like a scum. You are literally saying that you will focus me because I am bad, implying you know I'm not but you're still voting me. Slip there?

Good to see your learning things. But im going to be stuck tunnelling you because it's impossible to ignore your stupidity and immaturity.

[Mesk514]

Iced doesnt wanna claim?

lol dude, PoE says that if we all claim, town wins

[Iced_Monopoly]

My phone has some terrible auto correct. I apologise for these hard to read paragraphs

[Iced_Monopoly]

Iced doesnt wanna claim?

lol dude, PoE says that if we all claim, town wins

No it doesnt. Otra get night killed. Town hopelessly tries to lynch from an all citizen pool.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You need to get over last game and actually stop to think about what it is youre asking of players and how it will impact the game beyond d1. You can't support something purely because I am against it. Grow the fuck up.

Now tell me, how is the role reveal on day 1 a good plan? what do you think mafia will claim? What do you think mafia will do with the knowledge of everyones claims? What do you think are the chances of actually lynching scum today? What do you think the game is thong to look like by d3?

I'll just skip the first part, since no excessive insulting allowed...

How is it useful? Scums will try to hide and to not claim a role, because by doing so they commit themselves. By forcing a massive role claim D1, we can find out suspects and maybe even lynch a mafia.

[Mesk514]

It's simple as this....
If we all claim, theres two people that are stuck with out a town claim.... So, if they claim a TPR, the real TPR will obviously counter claim. If they claim citizen, we lynch within the citizens. simple as fucking jesus.

[Mesk514]

It's obvious I'm legit town, sooooooooo if we all mass claim today, we have room for two mislynches within the Citizen pool.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Ptrs. Fml.

This is a bad strategy. You need to wait till ATLEAST d2 to do something like this. You're essentially handing mafia a free kill tonight. And a free roadmap to do whatever they like.

[Iced_Monopoly]

I'll just skip the first part, since no excessive insulting allowed...

How is it useful? Scums will try to hide and to not claim a role, because by doing so they commit themselves. By forcing a massive role claim D1, we can find out suspects and maybe even lynch a mafia.

That is not excessive insulting. You are literally basing your motives on distrust from another game.

Do you see how you wrote MAYBE. Yes MAYBE we lynch a mafia. But probability says we end up lynching a town. And then mafia gets a night kill on a ptr. And then by D2 alone, town is down 2 members, And they know everyone's roles.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Good to see your learning things. But im going to be stuck tunnelling you because it's impossible to ignore your stupidity and immaturity.

The immature person is the one who doesn't stop insulting people for no reason.
The stupid person is the one who tells other to stop thinking further than Day 1.

The stupid person is also the one who confirms he's scum by keeping telling he's going to "be stuck tunnelling someone".

[Iced_Monopoly]

It's simple as this....
If we all claim, theres two people that are stuck with out a town claim.... So, if they claim a TPR, the real TPR will obviously counter claim. If they claim citizen, we lynch within the citizens. simple as fucking jesus.

Non. You wait till day 2 to do this shit. Still early enough to be effective, but late enough that ptr night actions can corroborate any potential counter claims, or expose citizen claims. And docs can operate safely on atleast 1 night.

[Iced_Monopoly]

The immature person is the one who doesn't stop insulting people for no reason.
The stupid person is the one who tells other to stop thinking further than Day 1.

The stupid person is also the one who confirms he's scum by keeping telling he's going to "be stuck tunnelling someone".

Its like I'm talking to a brick wall.

[Mesk514]

Ive done this as town, every friggen RLVG game (he must cringe at my existence) and it has worked every single god damn fucking time.

Please redirect yourself to this game. We even lynched the wrong Doctor claim first and town still curb stomped.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

That is not excessive insulting. You are literally basing your motives on distrust from another game.

Do you see how you wrote MAYBE. Yes MAYBE we lynch a mafia. But probability says we end up lynching a town. And then mafia gets a night kill on a ptr. And then by D2 alone, town is down 2 members, And they know everyone's roles.

As every strategy, it has strenghts and weaknesses. One of its weaknesses is that we need the help of every townie. If you're town, for the sake of the game, claim a role.

P.S. the excessive insulting would've been from me, because you have a banana instead of a brain.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Ive done this as town, every friggen RLVG game (he must cringe at my existence) and it has worked every single god damn fucking time.

Please redirect yourself to this game. We even lynched the wrong Doctor claim first and town still curb stomped.

You linked to a game where scum cant night kill. Scum can night kill.

[Mesk514]

You linked to a game where scum cant night kill. Scum can night kill.

CLAIM A ROLE
CLAIM A ROLE

[Marshmallow Marshall]

That is not excessive insulting. You are literally basing your motives on distrust from another game.

Do you see how you wrote MAYBE. Yes MAYBE we lynch a mafia. But probability says we end up lynching a town. And then mafia gets a night kill on a ptr. And then by D2 alone, town is down 2 members, And they know everyone's roles.

You forgot to write the next step of this hypothetic game. After having 2 town members killed, we lynch a mafia because he cannot be hiding anymore. In the worst case, we still win.

[Iced_Monopoly]

You are almost all but guaranteeing that d2 will start with 1 cit and 1 ptr dead. Coordinated scum vote + 2:3 scum:cit (at best if ptr doesnt claim cit) = mislynch. All roles revealed that ptr is confirmed dead tonight unless we have double doc. Which if you believe mm, we dont.

[Mesk514]

You are almost all but guaranteeing that d2 will start with 1 cit and 1 ptr dead. Coordinated scum vote + 2:3 scum:cit (at best if ptr doesnt claim cit) = mislynch. All roles revealed that ptr is confirmed dead tonight unless we have double doc. Which if you believe mm, we dont.

the fact that you haven't claimed something yet is already ruining the chances of you not getting lynched cause half of us have already claimed

[Mesk514]

the fact that you haven't claimed something yet is already ruining the chances of you not getting lynched cause half of us have already claimed

wew, that didnt even make sense...

anyways... claim a role.

[Iced_Monopoly]

You forgot to write the next step of this hypothetic game. After having 2 town members killed, we lynch a mafia because he cannot be hiding anymore. In the worst case, we still win.

No. We dont. Think about it.
Under the best case where nobody but scum lies about their roles. We are almost guaranteed to hit a citizen today with our lynch (see post 87). Which means d2 will be 1 power role, and 2 got and 2 scum hiding as citz. Which unless the ptr surviving is another detective, will mean its a 50/50 chance to hit scum. Which are not great odds for MYLO.


Since we're likely to kill a citizen today WITH OR WITHOUT role reveal, the better iption is to keep the oted from revealing so we atleast go into d2 without giving mafia a god damn hitlist of who to target

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Last chance I give
You, Iced.
Not claiming a role doesn't help the Town. It could even be seen as a
Crime. And if you don't claim anything, I will ask
Hybrid to vote against you. (sorry Hybrid, you're the only name starting by a "H" :P)

[Iced_Monopoly]

Oted =ptr. Phone keeps replacing words

[Mesk514]

First of all, everyone remove their votes from Iced...

We should at least take our time and methodically plan this lynch.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

First of all, everyone remove their votes from Iced...

We should at least take our time and methodically plan this lynch.

If we do that, he'll never claim. I will remove my vote only if I see a L-1.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Last chance I give
You, Iced.
Not claiming a role doesn't help the Town. It could even be seen as a
Crime. And if you don't claim anything, I will ask
Hybrid to vote against you. (sorry Hybrid, you're the only name starting by a "H" :P)

Okay im done dealing with this.

@Mesk514 look at the actual odds of what it is youre asking. There is no town benefit to do this on d1. D2 at best. The game you referenced had no night kills, you cant reference it, its a completrly different game when youre giving scum a roadmap.

You cant be town if you actually believe in this plan

[Hybrid]

nah, i think gyrlander is scum tbh

[Hybrid]

iced sounds really well that he actually does havea point
but the thing is i don t think he s scum, i think gyrlander is scum

[Iced_Monopoly]

Ive gotta go for a bit. Everyone needs to look into marshmallow and how hard hes pushing for this bad strategy & the fact that he wont even look at the statistics because hes more interrsted in a personal vendeta.

Mesk goddammit revise your plan.

[Mesk514]

You cant be town if you actually believe in this plan

jokes on you, cause i really am town... maybe dumb.... but town

[Gyrlander]

Crylander, how are you? long time no speak!

Sexy as always