S-FM The Thing

[Tauntshaman]

@Magoroth if sc dies testing then the new sc has to he elected the next day right?
if so @Distorted then why would you even suicide? there could be 3 things tomorrow and the chance of our new sc being the thing is way bigger then you being the OT

[Distorted]

@Magoroth if sc dies testing then the new sc has to he elected the next day right?
if so @Distorted then why would you even suicide? there could be 3 things tomorrow and the chance of our new sc being the thing is way bigger then you being the OT

thats why the station commander gets protected for that night.

[Distorted]

thats why the station commander gets protected for that night.

then the rest of the game they wont need to be.

[Distorted]

then the rest of the game they wont need to be.

if we have a second protective, they should be on SCV

[Lenneth]

imagine being in a 4v3v1 with a confirmed town? makes it a lot easier - more than a 50% chacne to hit a scum if just randoming it. but by then the things will be more panicky to keep eachother alive, so alignments will show since they cant convert anymore.

that make sense, but imagine you are 5v3v1

you lynch a guy, worst case is that guy was actualy poisoned OR a town died from poison...next night 3 things again. next day, same shit.
best case, you lynch a thing and survivalist poisoned a thing==> next night 2 things. And we don't have an escort claim to rb the OT.
And with the cooldown of the SC ability, we will probably never kill all the things.

Including that we can also kill the survivalist by mistake (since things will also vote againt him)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

because this game will take a lot of luck and things going right to win for town... the scenario with the arson killing 1 town, and 5 things in existance means

5 town v 3 things v 1 survivalist.

if 2 towns die by poison : 4 v 3 v 1

(in both those scenarios thing can NO LONGER RECRUIT. so killing the arson THEN running is perfectly doable as well, but only if we keep our numbers up now.

But things can recruit the following nights. 5 things possible, including dead ones. Let's say 5 v 3 v 1: we lynch town: it's very probably GG we lynch thing: they convert again, making it 4 v 3 v 1, we lynch survivalist, 5 v 3. Night goes on... and the luck happens, we don't know what will happen there. Things can still convert 1 guy at that point. So we're fucked anyway if we do that.

[Distorted]

that make sense, but imagine you are 5v3v1

you lynch a guy, worst case is that guy was actualy poisoned OR a town died from poison...next night 3 things again. next day, same shit.
best case, you lynch a thing and survivalist poisoned a thing==> next night 2 things. And we don't have an escort claim to rb the OT.
And with the cooldown of the SC ability, we will probably never kill all the things.

Including that we can also kill the survivalist by mistake (since things will also vote againt him)

5 maximum things. once they reach 5 they cant convert anymore.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

because Lenneth is showing the same meta as me and rumox when we are scum and putting 3x the effort into this game then his previous game, so I have a scumread on him.

O.O okay

[Distorted]

But things can recruit the following nights. 5 things possible, including dead ones. Let's say 5 v 3 v 1: we lynch town: it's very probably GG we lynch thing: they convert again, making it 4 v 3 v 1, we lynch survivalist, 5 v 3. Night goes on... and the luck happens, we don't know what will happen there. Things can still convert 1 guy at that point. So we're fucked anyway if we do that.

in the scenario i just wrote, I removed 2 towns (as dead things) do the math realyl quick - go look at the players list and remove 2 as dead things and run the numbers.

[Lenneth]

because Lenneth is showing the same meta as me and rumox when we are scum and putting 3x the effort into this game then his previous game, so I have a scumread on him.

Ah so I was right, you are actualy testing me

[Marshmallow Marshall]

5 maximum things. once they reach 5 they cant convert anymore.

We're stil fucked, we won't kill all the Things. Your plan relies entirely on the Survivalist being a nice guy helping town, which probably won't happen.

[Distorted]

@Gyrlander you keep popping in - Would like your opinion here as well.

[Rachyl]

So 5 maximum things. that is too much for town to handle. if were going to have any hope of winning we need to guess right without error. and the odds are stacked against us. But i agree with Distorteds plan

[Distorted]

We're stil fucked, we won't kill all the Things. Your plan relies entirely on the Survivalist being a nice guy helping town, which probably won't happen.

survivalist wont know who is thing either though, so we are playing with a decent amount of RNG here when it comes to his kills.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

in the scenario i just wrote, I removed 2 towns (as dead things) do the math realyl quick - go look at the players list and remove 2 as dead things and run the numbers.

But that implies we get two things dead... WHICH IS ALREADY UNLIKELY....

[Marshmallow Marshall]

But that implies we get two things dead... WHICH IS ALREADY UNLIKELY....

Oh wait. Actually if we nightkill we're STILL fucked lol. So ok, it's better to get a confirmed town for the same results, I guess. I vote for Tauntshaman's death.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh wait. Actually if we nightkill we're STILL fucked lol. So ok, it's better to get a confirmed town for the same results, I guess. I vote for Tauntshaman's death.

And Gyrlander's confirmation.

[Tauntshaman]

thats why the station commander gets protected for that night.

right but if u suicide on lennenth or gyr than what's the point of saying this lol

[Distorted]

But that implies we get two things dead... WHICH IS ALREADY UNLIKELY....

The town has a lot of chances for lynches and kills in this game.

@Gyrlander speak! you vanished EoD yesterday as well, almost seems like you are trying to remove urself from the lynch pool when it comes time (by not being part) - you saw what happened with efe, the same thing can easily happen with you if you vanish today for EoD!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

survivalist wont know who is thing either though, so we are playing with a decent amount of RNG here when it comes to his kills.

Mhmm... Ok. Basically we're playing FM Hearthstone. Great.

[Lenneth]

5 maximum things. once they reach 5 they cant convert anymore.

You are supposing things will be dead tonight (by you or by the survivalist).

because Lenneth is showing the same meta as me and rumox when we are scum and putting 3x the effort into this game then his previous game, so I have a scumread on him.

So you think I am the OT and I played ultra pro town compared to last game to hide ?
What if I am survivalist? you will confirm me as non thing and you will suicide for nothing, you will even probably give me the win.
What if I am a thing? that mean I actualy played pro town...because I was actualy town. Which mean your supposion is not really good.

[Distorted]

right but if u suicide on lennenth or gyr than what's the point of saying this lol

? what you mean?

They can be converted that night since they arnt elected yet - protect them so things cant get them first, then elect them station commander the rest of the game.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You are supposing things will be dead tonight (by you or by the survivalist).



So you think I am the OT and I played ultra pro town compared to last game to hide ?
What if I am survivalist? you will confirm me as non thing and you will suicide for nothing, you will even probably give me the win.
What if I am a thing? that mean I actualy played pro town...because I was actualy town. Which mean your supposion is not really good.

But it's the only way we can win: S.C. or the survivalist kills a thing. Else it's GG we're fucked ANYWAY. It's why I gotta agree with him.

[Gyrlander]

I wonder why Distorted would ask the 3 most voted players of today for their opinion and ignore the rest?

[Numbertwo]

@Numbertwo you are here also - I see an invisible! How do you feel about confirming Lenneth, making him the mayo of this town!!!!

< drunk. Whats going to stop the cult from converting lenneth tonight if you suicide in order to confirm him?

Seems like a stupid idea

[Distorted]

You are supposing things will be dead tonight (by you or by the survivalist).



So you think I am the OT and I played ultra pro town compared to last game to hide ?
What if I am survivalist? you will confirm me as non thing and you will suicide for nothing, you will even probably give me the win.
What if I am a thing? that mean I actualy played pro town...because I was actualy town. Which mean your supposion is not really good.

no, because if you are town and played pro town, confirming you and making u immune to conversion I would expect you would continue to play pro town now your reads will just be much more credible instantly. You're not a bad mayor in the mod =P

Also, If you are survivalist, I would rather u win than the things. From how hard the things are to get this game I thikn wiping them out is an accomplishment of its own lol

[Lenneth]

You are supposing things will be dead tonight (by you or by the survivalist).



So you think I am the OT and I played ultra pro town compared to last game to hide ?
What if I am survivalist? you will confirm me as non thing and you will suicide for nothing, you will even probably give me the win.
What if I am a thing? that mean I actualy played pro town...because I was actualy town. Which mean your supposion is not really good.

well, actualy to be fair, I will probably play the same as a town or scum xD, I am a terrible scum. I like only playing town in mafia xD

[Distorted]

< drunk. Whats going to stop the cult from converting lenneth tonight if you suicide in order to confirm him?

Seems like a stupid idea

a town protective. (scv) then most likely just lynch scv tomorrow since the things will prolly have converted him lol

[Rachyl]

I wonder why Distorted would ask the 3 most voted players of today for their opinion and ignore the rest?

probably because he doesnt care what theyre thoughts are?

[Distorted]

well, actualy to be fair, I will probably play the same as a town or scum xD, I am a terrible scum. I like only playing town in mafia xD

so become the mayor!

[Distorted]

I wonder why Distorted would ask the 3 most voted players of today for their opinion and ignore the rest?

.........

[Lenneth]

But it's the only way we can win: S.C. or the survivalist kills a thing. Else it's GG we're fucked ANYWAY. It's why I gotta agree with him.

Yeah, I think town can't win this, our only chances was D1.
I dunno, confirming a town will maybe make the difference, with our little chances to win, we have to take risks and both our strategics are risky af.
But we don't have more chances than that xD

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The sands of time are running away... 2 hours to EoD2.

[Lenneth]

so become the mayor!

You have all the cards in your hand actualy
If you confirm me, I will still play the same lol, it's not like I will say 'oh shit Distorted suicided for me, I will afk !'

Let's jusr hear other peoples, it could be good to know their opinions before you decide, that will be important later.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah, I think town can't win this, our only chances was D1.
I dunno, confirming a town will maybe make the difference, with our little chances to win, we have to take risks and both our strategics are risky af.
But we don't have more chances than that xD

Yep. I am amazed on how the setup seemed balanced on paper, but when we play it we're just instantly fucked if we don't instantly win D1 lol...

[Rachyl]

Yeah its pretty unfair in my opinion. The odds were stacked against us before we even began. Im sorry that we had to lynch you Efekann T_T

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You have all the cards in your hand actualy
If you confirm me, I will still play the same lol, it's not like I will say 'oh shit Distorted suicided for me, I will afk !'

Let's jusr hear other peoples, it could be good to know their opinions before you decide, that will be important later.

Of course if you're scum then we're in a kinda good position but I'd be sad for you because you would've played kinda greatly. I townread you a lot. SO I think it's the best strategy.... May God have mercy upon your soul, Distorted/Lenneth. *x ship*

[Distorted]

everoynes giving up lol what if a thing dies tongiht? the odds are against but really not impossible. just need to strategize right.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

everoynes giving up lol what if a thing dies tongiht? the odds are against but really not impossible. just need to strategize right.

We're not giving up: we are just saying our win is based on RNG, and that the RNG is not in our favour.

[Rachyl]

Im not giving up.....I just feel really discouraged. And i doubt my abilities as a town player to find The Things

[Lenneth]

Of course if you're scum then we're in a kinda good position but I'd be sad for you because you would've played kinda greatly. I townread you a lot. SO I think it's the best strategy.... May God have mercy upon your soul, Distorted/Lenneth. *x ship*

Maybe the settings could be a bit more fair if we could actualy analyse it. having 11 hidden human without more informations is very difficult.
We could have 8 shitizen or just 2. It's too easy for scums.

Look at noz/number2? they are almost not participating and if they are scums, they will win doing absolutly NOTHING.

[Lenneth]

Maybe the settings could be a bit more fair if we could actualy analyse it. having 11 hidden human without more informations is very difficult.
We could have 8 shitizen or just 2. It's too easy for scums.

Look at noz/number2? they are almost not participating and if they are scums, they will win doing absolutly NOTHING.

or SCV actualy.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Maybe the settings could be a bit more fair if we could actualy analyse it. having 11 hidden human without more informations is very difficult.
We could have 8 shitizen or just 2. It's too easy for scums.

Look at noz/number2? they are almost not participating and if they are scums, they will win doing absolutly NOTHING.

We're too much confused for noz to be scum IMO. Things are throwing confusion atm. But now, the only THING we can do is to pray and get salty about the setup

[Distorted]

@Gyrlander you still havent said your opinions on it..... you stated about not being happy about me asking you (passively) - but whats your opinions?

[Distorted]

We're too much confused for noz to be scum IMO. Things are throwing confusion atm. But now, the only THING we can do is to pray and get salty about the setup

-vote magoroth

if the host is dead he cant PM the things to spread

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote magoroth

if the host is dead he cant PM the things to spread

CHOO CHOO ON THE HOST

[Rachyl]

chooo choooooooooo

[Gyrlander]

The town has a lot of chances for lynches and kills in this game.

@Gyrlander speak! you vanished EoD yesterday as well, almost seems like you are trying to remove urself from the lynch pool when it comes time (by not being part) - you saw what happened with efe, the same thing can easily happen with you if you vanish today for EoD!

I wish I could send photos. I'm watching BNHA with my friend while having dinner. I'll be kind of here though.

[blinkskater]

I am here and caught up on reading distorted pick who you feel is most likely to be either OG thing or who was converted night one I don't give a crap who it is

[Gyrlander]

@Gyrlander or would you rather be the confirmed target? Since you have more experience in FM?

Do not use it on me. I believe I can get town-read by myself. In fact, you should NK and not DK.