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  1. ISO #1

    Cute: 1-S2-1-12122342

    Account Name: killy
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-5387491

    Crimes Committed: Griefing/Gamethrowing
    2) Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence

    Your Account Name: Toast
    Summary:
    Hello friends, welcome to my first griefing/gamethrowing report
    1-S2-1-5387491
    killy !!!
    has decided to start griefing me and gamethrowing because kicking me
    from his lobbies wasnt giving his walnut brain enough dopamine

    in all of these replays killy is JAILOR
    my role in each game is next to the replay number

    have some replays of him executing me regardless of role claim whether its on my prefer/blacklist or not
    and a game where i dont get executed n1 because im a default name instead


    also i will dispute any claim about killy meta gaming my prefer list when

    killy knows my blacklist
    -blacklist administrator, informant, liaison, silencer, interrogator, vanguard, sheriff, cultist, mayor, godfather
    which has not changed for a few years and doesnt change unless its cleared by a map update

    and killy also knows my prefer list is consistently 5 towns minumum
    -prefer amnesiac, mason, jester, bodyguard, coroner, detective, vigilante
    with frequent jailor and marshall prefers and occasional MM and Arson prefers

    now i would report most people here for just griefing (if i ever accused people of griefing me)
    BUT
    given killys experiece+knowledge of my blacklist/preferlist (the rate i get town/evil roles)
    and still executing me in spite of that knowledge
    this isnt just targeted griefing but gamethrowing (sad, very sad)


    now i have some stuff of killy targeting me with other roles but thats not so easy to prove

    so heres all the killy jailor games from the last couple weeks
    because thats a lot easier to show


    starting with the most recent -10322- amnesiac
    my prefer list is 6towns 2benigns 1nk
    i am an obvious colored name
    killy jails and executes me without typing, i claim sheriff

    second replay -10313- citizen
    i am NOT an obvious colored name so instead of jailing me
    he jails someone else and types a lot, no execution
    killy plays this game like a normal person

    third replay -10306- arsonist
    my name and prefer list are the same as the first replay
    killy jails and executes me without typing, i claim lookout

    fourth replay -10246- detective
    i have preferred 6town 3benign 1nk, and have an identifiable name (same color as the other 2 replays)
    killy jails me says "you quit" and executes me, i claim detective


    adding this one after i finished most of the report

    fifth replay -10335- amnesiac
    i claim marshall and he executes me

    i do think its very clear targeting of me


    i guess my point about the gamethrowing is this
    if all you knew about someone on d1 was that they blacklist 8 evils and prefer 5 towns+2benigns
    would you actually think jailing them n1 is a good play?
    because killy knows that and knows its a bad play

    and im not arguing that anybody executing me n1 is gamethrowing
    im arguing that someone executing me automatically, with full knowledge of my preferlist/blacklist and my personal play, and especially with the experience in this game that killy has, is gamethrowing


    ps
    if you give me any results based arguments on these kills you arent qualified to review my reports

    thank you
    very frenly
    toaster
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    Last edited by Toast; November 10th, 2021 at 08:39 PM.

  2. ISO #2

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    Hello Toast,
    This isn't a final review, just few comments judging by what you wrote in your post.

    A while ago, it was decided that if a player waive their anonymity by choosing a well-known name, they should accept being targeted by other players. "Acutal evidence" refers to confirmed evidence. That is, people can't target you if they know for sure you are confirmed marshall (this doesn't count meta things like prefer or blacklist since not everyone knows about them).

    1. It seems in most of those replays you did use a recognized name, when killy jailed and execute you. The exception is replay 2, where you didn't use the names.
    2. You say that killy knows your lists. You claimed sheriff, lookout in some of those which are not in your possible roles, which he might used against you.

    Again, this isn't a final review, but there is a high chance that your report might end up ignored.
    I have no use for these bloodless minnows. Bring me a prey that will sate my bloodlust. I hunger.

  3. ISO #3

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    A while ago, it was decided that if a player waive their anonymity by choosing a well-known name, they should accept being targeted by other players.

    of course i accept being targeted when im easily identifiable thats how that works

    being shot by evils n1 when im rolling bg and jailor all night makes perfect sense
    being jailed and executed n1 when im rolling witch and arsonist all night makes perfect sense

    being jailed and executed n1 because killy doesnt like me is stupid garbage

    i dont accept morons like killy auto executing me n1 with no meta reason and no chance for me to even reach any stage of the game where i could have "Acutal evidence"

    this is just justifying garbage gameplay

    youre telling me that killy could execute me n1 as marshall 10 games in a row and thats not griefing or throwing because i never got to -lynch?


    and if youre going to say that me having claims outside my list is why i was executed in those games youre just imagining killys mindset in those games for him, and completely ignoring the games when i did have claims on that list and he executed me anyways.

    and of course, if youre going to accept the idea that killy knows my list and thats why i was killed for claiming off it, then hes still executing me in spite of the list which is blacklist 8 evils and preferring 6 towns

    this argument is profoundly stupid takes me back to a question i asked
    if all you knew about someone on d1 was that they blacklist 8 evils and prefer 5 towns+2benigns

    so somehow claiming off the list is against me because killy knows my list and thats why i died?
    but me claiming on the list is also against me because i did it with an identifiable name?

    can you decide whether you think killy knows my prefers and blacklist or not or are you just going to imagine whichever version is convenient to bullshit me more

    if killy is jailing me when he knows my blacklist and prefer list but just testing to see if i claim on it then explain why he is executing me with claims like detective amnesiac and marshall

    and if killy has decided to execute me ahead of time with some false knowledge about my prefer and blacklist then my role claim doesnt matter at all
    and id have to see killy give that explanation not a mod making it up for him thanks


    yea it really seems like you are just making shit up to be whatever justifies killys garbage

    cant wait for your final review thanks
    Last edited by Toast; November 21st, 2021 at 11:12 PM. Reason: im salty tbh and probably repeating myself ill check this again in the morning

  4. ISO #4

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    1-S2-1-5387491 is Correct.

    Respective Hotkey:

    7

    Previous Offenses:

    1 count of reactionary gamethrowing, a long time ago. And a ton of ignores. Obviously Killy rubs people the wrong way.


    Player Offenses:

    Killy: Innocent


    Key Points:
    Players in question:

    Killy - JAILOR - 10

    Game:


    Setup: Three players are new. Killy blacklists ten roles and prefers a number of roles, including JAILOR. 13 uses racial slurs. Toast blacklists a number of roles including SHERIFF, and prefers a number of power roles, including the MASS MURDERER.
    Names: 13 selects a pedophiliac name. Toast selects a long colored name.
    Roles: 13 is swapped to 15 in assignment and becomes a CONSORT, Killy becomes a JAILOR in slot 10, and Toast becomes an AMNESIAC in slot 7.
    D1: General trash talk and roleplay. 10 opts to jail 1, but then switches to 7.
    N1: 7 is in jail. He claims SHERIFF, but is executed by the Jailor anyways at the last moment. Jailor says nothing during the jail. Replay ends.

    Was the game result altered?
    Impossible to say from replay provided.

    Additional offenses or players found in replay?

    PregnantPorn: Racism and pedophilia. CONSORT in slot 15, 1-S2-1-12122342, no priors

    Punishment:

    PregnantPorn: 2x WL
    Killy: TBD

    Additional Notes:
    From what little replay there is, this would've been considered a town aligned play, if admittedly a weak one. An AMNESIAC is not town aligned at least to start with. While you claimed SHERIFF, the jailor can execute N1 for a number of reasons, most notably the possibility of a SERIAL KILLER who kills roleblockers. SK chance was 43% and kill roleblocker was on.

    We generally cannot use metaknowledge, such as knowing another players black/prefer lists, in analysis. However as you are contending that Killy is going out of his way to kill you, Toast, to ruin your games, and that he should be familiar with the roles you like/hate, *IF* he IS going for you, and if he IS familiar with your black/prefer listing, he'd probably know that you had SHERIFF blacklisted. I would expect this to come up on Appeal that you were Obviously Lying, and as such, killing you was a good move.


    Thank you for the report!
    Last edited by Arrow; November 28th, 2021 at 09:52 AM.

  5. ISO #5

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    -Mafia- (10313).SC2Replay (409.9 KB, 2 views)

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    1-S2-1-5387491 is Correct.


    Respective Hotkey:

    1

    Previous Offenses:

    Listed in this thread.

    Player Offenses:

    Innocent

    Key Points:
    Players in question:

    Killy - JAILOR - 9

    Game:


    Setup: Killy blacklists many roles (CRIER, DOCTOR, BODYGUARD, CITIZEN, ARSONIST, AUDITOR, BLACKMAILER, MAFIOSO, GODFATHER, and MASS MURDERER). He prefers JUDGE, EXECUTIONER, JESTER, JESTER (again!), JAILOR, VIGILANTE, and has three "Not a role errors."
    Names: Killy checks game data and banks.
    Roles: Killy checks game data and banks again. And one more time.
    D1: A player claims AMNESIAC, meanwhile, 9 (Killy, JAILOR) checks banks again, and jails 1.
    N1: 1 (GODFATHER) is in jail, claims DOCTOR. Argument ensues, but 9 does not execute.
    D2: 8 (CORONER) is dead. There's evidence presented that 12 is the SERIAL KILLER, though some people prefer the jailors just rejail and execute because of the lack of a MAFIA kill. 8 rejails 1. 12 is put on the stand and claims doctor, despite a claim he visited 8 last night. Despite this fairly obvious lie, he gets pardoned, 4-2. 5 quits the game, presumably to reveal his flip and LW.
    N2: 1 is in 9's jail. The doc claim is repeated, and again, there is no execution.
    D3: Another night without a MAFIA kill. 10 (MAYOR) and 5 (LOOKOUT) are dead. 12 is put to trial and claims DOC again, going down 5-0. 9 PMs 1 during the mothership execution claiming to be an AUDITOR and that 1 can't get audited. 1 responds with "I'm on your team." and "I'll tell us to stay away from you", essentially confirming 9's suspicion that 1 is the GODFATHER.
    N3: 9 is not entitled to jail tonight. Oddly enough, the Mafia finally kills tonight.
    D4: 11 (SPY) is dead with a fairly complete last will. This should be interesting. Arguments over roles, but finally the day ends due to time.
    N4: 9 has 1 in jail. He accuses him of being mafia and executes him.
    D5: 1 (GODFATHER) is dead. 9 starts a series of PMs demanding roles as he believes he's confirmed. He gets several responses, notably from 14 who claims EXECUTIONER turned JESTER, and 15 who claims SHERIFF and begs to be added to the CULT. Analyzing game state...Cult IS in the game and is up to 3 members (2 CULTISTS and a WITCH DOCTOR). Two Mafia (FRAMER and CONSORT) with a AMNESIAC, JAILOR, BODYGUARD, and SHERIFF rounding out the live players. Town has lost votes; this game seems to favor CULT at this point. 4 claims AMNESIAC that was roleblocked, 2 claims BODYGUARD, 3 claims ESCORT. 3 is put on trial on suspicion of being a CONSORT. They use a racial slur on the stand. 3-1 they go down and flip CONSORT.
    N5: FRAMER -> MAFIOSO. 9 cannot jail. Cult is on cooldown (every other day).
    D6: 14 (CULTIST) is dead. PMs between 2 (BODYGUARD) and 9. 2 notes that 9 can't have been culted, since he was bodyguard protected. (Technically he could've been culted the night he killed the GODFATHER, but he wasn't, so this is true). Aruments. 15 eventually goes to the stand and gets 3 guilty from the MAFIOSO, the BODYGUARD, and a CULTIST, and flips SHERIFF. His LW claims that 7 and 9 are CULT, explaining his earlier PM indicating he knew 9 was CULT.
    N6: 9 cannot jail. The CULT goes to convert 9, but a BODYGUARD is in the way. The MAFIA also visits 9, but they also find a BODYGUARD in the way.
    D7: 2 and 6 (MAFIOSO) are dead. A Jailor stands alone against a CULTIST and a WITCH DOCTOR, with an AMNESIAC spoiler. Day is skipped. Originally 9 p[anned to jail 4, for not remembering a role, but switches to 7 at the last minute.
    N7: 7 (CULTIST) is in jail. 9 verbally lambasts him a bit before executing. 9 can no longer execute.
    D8: 7 is dead. AMNESIAC as kingmaker in town v cult. But then 13 quits, realizing that he has no option except talking up the AMNESIAC, since as a WITCH DOCTOR he cannot convert with no killing roles in the game.
    N8: 9 has 4 in jail. They have a brief chat over cookies and tea.
    D9: 13 (WITCH DOCTOR) is dead. Town wins with an AMNESIAC hanger-on.

    Was the game result altered?
    No. Though I was surprised town won. I was sure this was a CULT game partway through the replay.


    Additional offenses or players found in replay?
    WEWUZKANGZ - CONSORT - 3 - Racism - 1-S2-1-10371102 - Already on Perma.

    Punishment:

    IGNORE

    Additional Notes:
    Killy did kill you, but he waited until Night SEVEN, and he had ample reason to suspect you were a CULTIST, specifically from 15's LW. The only other jail kill he was entitled to was used on Day 4 against the GODFATHER, whom he jailed 3 times in total.

    Thank you for the report!
    Last edited by Arrow; December 3rd, 2021 at 12:09 AM.

  6. ISO #6

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    File Type: sc2replay -Mafia- (10306).SC2Replay (109.5 KB, 1 views)

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    1-S2-1-5387491 is Correct.


    Respective Hotkey:

    E

    Player Offenses:

    Innocent

    Key Points:
    Players in question:

    Killy - JAILOR - 3

    Game:


    Setup: Killy prefers a number of neutral roles this game, and no others.
    Names: Toast selects a colored name, used before in this report set. Killy gets a default name. There are three colored names this time, 1(TOAST), 9, and 8.
    Roles: Killy becomes a JAILOR, Toast is an ARSONIST.
    D1: 8 claims EXECUTIONER and that his target is 12. 3 (Killy, JAILOR) jails 8, but switches to 1 before day end.
    N1: 1 is in jail. He claims LOOKOUT and is executed. Replay ends.

    Punishment:

    None.

    Additional Notes:
    I can't punish a JAILOR for executing an ARSONIST.

    Thank you for the report!
    Last edited by Arrow; November 28th, 2021 at 10:25 AM.

  7. ISO #7

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    File Type: sc2replay -Mafia- (10335).SC2Replay (97.1 KB, 1 views)

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    1-S2-1-5387491 is Correct.


    Respective Hotkey:

    1

    Player Offenses:

    Innocent

    Key Points:
    Players in question:

    Killy - JAILOR - 2

    Game:


    Setup: 3 new players, 1 autokicked player. After a repick, Killy gets the save. 3 (WeWuzkangs) engages in racial slurs.
    Names: 1 player quits. 3 picks a racist name and spams it by repeatedly entering the name selection.
    Roles: Killy is a JAILOR, Toast is an AMNESIAC.
    D1: 2 (JAILOR) jails 3 for a racist name, then switches to 12 who has a colored name.
    N1: 12 is in jail. He claims MARSHALL, despite being an AMNESIAC. He is executed, and killy indicates in his LW that he knows the claim is a lie. This is likely predicated on the fact that there is CRIER chat that night. (Enhanced analysis indicates there is a CRIER and MAYOR in the game, but no JUDGE, although Killy couldn't have known that at this point.) Replay ends after 12 is killed.

    Additional offenses or players found in replay?
    WeWuzkangs, racism, 1-S2-1-10371102, currently on perma.

    Punishment:

    Ignored.

    Additional Notes:
    A little bit better than 10322, but still. You were a lying AMNESIAC in prison, claiming a highly visible role that generally precludes a crier from spawning (and in fact, was not in the game!) Had he let you out, he probably would've executed you a day or two later once it became obvious you were not a MARSHALL, which would've happened in morning of D2, as the person who quit during name selection spawned in as the MAYOR.

    Thank you for the report!
    Last edited by Arrow; November 28th, 2021 at 10:17 AM.

  8. ISO #8

    Re: killy: 1-S2-1-5387491

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    1-S2-1-5387491 is Correct.


    Respective Hotkey:

    Ctrl+4

    Player Offenses:



    Key Points:
    Players in question:

    Killy = JAILOR = 9

    Game:


    Setup: Talk about the last game.
    Names: Someone insults toast with name selection, 4 other people follow though at least one gets name reselected on spawnin. GeneralRex drops a racial slur in his anti-toast name, added to report. Toast for his record selects a colored name.
    Roles: One player rolequits.
    D1: 9 (JAILOR) opts to jail 4. He switches at the last moment to 14.
    N1: 14 is in jail. He claims DETECTIVE truthfully, and gets executed with "You quit" from 9, referring to prior games. 9 even puts it in his LW. This I actually feel is sufficient for griefing, since it's revenge for a prior game.
    D2: 1 (DETECTIVE), 12 (MASS MURDERER), 6 (DOCTOR) and 9 are dead. 3 reveals as MARSHALL, and starts a triple execution. After PMs, 15 (GODFATHER), 5 (WITCH DOCTOR), and 2 (AGENT) are removed from play. Solid play, but there's still a CULTIST, a SERIAL KILLER, and a CONSORT to deal with despite seven players already being dead.
    N2: CONSORT -> MAFIOSO. The cult failed to convert.
    D3: 13 (SPY) and 3 are dead. 4 is trialed and executed after it is deduced from the MARSHALL's LW that he is the SERIAL KILLER, which is indeed his flip.
    N3: CULT is roleblocked.
    D4: 7 (BODYGUARD) is dead. Remaining roles in game: CULTIST, MAFIOSO, DETECTIVE, and ESCORT. Realistically town has lost. NO execution.
    N4: The DETECTIVE becomes a CULTIST.
    D5: 1 (MAFIOSO) is executed.
    N5: Cult goes to convert the ESCORT but the converter is RBed.
    D6: Day is skipped.
    N6: Cult tries to convert again and succeeds.
    D7: All remaining players are CULTISTS. Cult wins.

    Was the game result altered?
    Unlikely. Had 9 jailed 4 instead, he might have executed the SERIAL KILLER on N1, or alternately died a second time (Mafia killed him that night regardless) when he released him due to Kills Roleblockers being on. However, this probably wouldn't have saved town, given the extremely high number of scum spawns. I counted that the game spawned in a MASS MURDERER, SERIAL KILLER, CULTIST, WITCH DOCTOR, and three mafia. Town barely started with majority to lose.


    Additional offenses or players found in replay?

    GeneralRex: Racism(name): 1-S2-1-3198912

    Punishment:

    TBD

    Additional Notes:
    Thank you for the report!
    Last edited by Arrow; December 4th, 2021 at 10:39 PM.

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