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  1. ISO #351

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    -vote Dark Magician
    Counter policy lynch. Frostbyte has been tremendously more helpful in a single post than you've been in the whole game, and you're insulting him for appropriately answering you: you did absolutely nothing readable this game lol. You could very well be a wolf trying to discredit Frostbyte while he still doesn't have much villager credit because you foresee he's going to be a strong player this game, and either way, you're being anti-town and completely nonsensical when you call for a policy lynch against him.
    I’ve actually been pretty helpful but if your scum and want to spew me town I’m down with that.

    -vote Marshmellow Marshal

  2. ISO #352

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post

    I love this post, and not just because it's a wall. You bring up very good points here, especially about StarGunner: his play does look like a confused and trying to be helpful new townie's. Just one thing, though: Light isn't exactly known for his amazing logical play, so you may be putting too much weight into your read based on his skip vote. The rest is 100 % relatable; even though I do not necessarily agree with your conclusions on Happymeal, I can see where you're coming from, and you may actually be right, even though it's a bit early to tell. Your villager list is very good and stems from genuine scumhunting imo.

    Putting Frostbyte ex aequo with Martin in my top villager reads.
    I feel like if anyone made a wall like this you would instantly TR them for it.
    Not the best way to play IMO.

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    No Basically Sheriff Hopefully Will Not Be Hit & Would Be Able To Act. And Get Information To Help The Next Day. Also If The Sheriff Does Get A Lead The Doctor Can Save Him Incase Of Being Attacked. Also Calculating That There Would Be An Extra Person For Them To Role Block.
    Why can we hope for sheriff to find someone, but you can't trust yourself to potentially pick a wolf from a pool? Also, the same logic of there being more people to role block also applies for the sheriff having less people to check. And for the doctor to increase their chance of stopping the kill.

    If anything I'm trying to make you see the following

    Wolves take note of people that are less likely to be yeeted by the villagers and stay away from killing them (unless of course they have a strong suspicion of a pr amongst them). You know who else wolves will stay away from killing? Wolves! Thus, it's fair to say that these groups overlap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Increases The Uninformed Odds Exponentially.
    You do not have any credibility to use the word exponentially if you refuse to see math.

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Just Like In The Mod IMO Day One Should Be Purely Discussion.
    The mod doesn't have the reputation for being a high thinking/discussion game, so this supporting bit is nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Either Way Our First Priority Should Be Finding The Informed Escort/Role Blocker. So It Takes That Role Out Of The Equation. If I Knew 100% Who The Role Blocker Was Thats Who Id Wanna Lynch/Kill First. So It Makes Uninformed Job Bounds Easier.
    Unless I missed something in Mafia 101, it's impossible to tell one wolf pr from another. I'll let it slide this time, but further mentions of wanting to get the role blocker/escort are nonsense and fluff.

  11. ISO #361

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Magoroth you came into this game hoping to troll Light and to just pretend to be someone else. Is there ANYTHING you have done or said that has nothing to do with Light? You are literally hard tunneling and for people outside of that train it is impossible to figure out if you’re doing it just so you can have an excuse not to push people. Stop pushing that stupid wagon or get policy lynched.

  12. ISO #362

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Do you mean you scumread Happymeal for his attempt to form a "voting block" with the newcomers? If so, why? It looks good to me: it creates meaningful interactions, be it just to discuss about what his action means about his alignment and who wants to associate with him.

    Light always does weird and arguably anti-town things, and skipping is one of those things. Now, if you're advocating for a policy lynch, I may not be opposed to it, but I'd like to know if you think this is a lynch against a member of the informed minority or if you're just pushing it for the sake of pushing policy lynches.
    If Light doesn't get towny to me and if there are no better options, I will sheep you against him, btw.
    When I play fm, I don't want to see wolves doing wolvy things and getting away with it because it's "too wolfy to be wolf". Whoever it was that claimed wolf from the beginning has a pass because they're new, but I will not stand for it tomorrow.

    Hopefully tomorrow Light's gone and I can focus on actually figuring out who the wolf read is amongst town by using @Voss 's condorcet tool. Today, I don't have the time/effort/bandwidth to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Oh. Thou art a genius lol.
    From now on, the uninformed majority will be referred to as Villagers and the informed minority, as Wolves.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Let it be known that Martin is my top townread as of now for bringing up the right points to move the game forward (comments on Light's self-consciousness, pokes at the inactives or at the ones who don't want to give reads) with relatable reasonings and seemingly town intent.
    I had the same thought here. Martin asking for trains to consolidate, (even on him!?!?) super villagery. And because town minds think alike, I think your village.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    What’s with all the toxicity? The powers that be on most sites would infract this.
    Sorry if this is too toxic, I did my best to express my frustration and to look for a funny insult. @Mike pm me if i go overboard please and thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    Killer, kill Magoroth tonight. Thank you.
    That'd be great, thanks.

  13. ISO #363

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Like I’m thinking based on TCP’s play here he may have spewed multiple people town/scum and he is extremely focused on defending you without calling you town, but it is impossible for anyone to see anything from you in that regard because you are so focused on one player in a manner so anti town that you should be the lynch today unless you disenage. Right fucking now.

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Magoroth View Post
    I am not a troll. We need to find the informed minority. A good way to find them is to see who's advocating for strategies that would help them win.

    Relinquishing one of the scarce tools the uninformed majority have to do this job is a strategy that benefits the informed minority.

    Light is advocating for a strategy that only helps the informed minority.

    There are now two possibilities of what Light can be, given this behavior. Either he's an informed minority advocating for a strategy that benefits the informed minority. Or, he's a misguided member of the uninformed majority. Eliminating misguided members also increases our chances at winning in the end game, if it gets close. I would feel a lot less worried in end game if we didn't have misguided members of the uninformed majority potentially choosing their allies (or worse skipping!!??).

    In addition, I will be advocating for Light's yeet every day that I'm alive. I will be detracting from any other informed hunting. I will be poisonous to this. If you are not going to eliminate Light, I suggest you eliminate me today instead.

    The only viable 3rd option is for Yagami toconvince me that they have seen the figurative light and will now try their best to vote for someone they think is part of the informed minority.

    There is no easy 4th option.
    I have 0 qualms about being yeeted bc the villagers hate that I hate pro-wolf strategies.

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Magoroth View Post
    I have 0 qualms about being yeeted bc the villagers hate that I hate pro-wolf strategies.
    Dude you are engaging in a pro-wolf strategy yourself. I do not want to reward people tunneling mindlessly on one person, so you can go drop dead until you start behaving, thanks.
    -vote S-FM Magoroth

  18. ISO #368

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    Like I’m thinking based on TCP’s play here he may have spewed multiple people town/scum and he is extremely focused on defending you without calling you town, but it is impossible for anyone to see anything from you in that regard because you are so focused on one player in a manner so anti town that you should be the lynch today unless you disenage. Right fucking now.
    I'd actually suggest you get off TCP, as no one's followed you, and help support another train. Right now I'm being more productive as my vote's on a person with 2 votes.

    man, i fucking HATE single vote systems.

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    No dude you are not being productive. You are flamiing a person for literally no fucking reason other than a personal dislike of them and having the fucking BALLS to pass it off as a legit lynch. That is infuriating me to no end. You haven’t given any thought to how other players are reacting to your push and how scum would react in response to this train. You haven’t given ANY, because you are so focused on one player to the detriment of everything else.

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I’m just looking and those reads are just so fuckin fake.
    It’s like you grab everyone’s reads and flipped them.
    Kinda seems like normal-ish Marshmallow Marshall to me tbh.

    Obviously there are some differences from back then but it reminds me of a past post in another game where he was town in Spirits (II) [Link].

    Not that I think its a tell of any sort; but I wanted to note that.

    Also with the vote count, previously on 8 separate players at one point, you can almost litterally say that about any read and say "Hey they just took X's or X and Y's reads and flipped them!".
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    @StarGunner

    So who do you think is town?

    It doesn't hurt to share at the moment; heck we could probably use it given the current situation with the vote-count.
    (Later)

    Quote Originally Posted by StarGunner View Post
    ..........So does that make me Ginyu?
    :/
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  30. ISO #380

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Magoroth View Post
    I'd actually suggest you get off TCP, as no one's followed you, and help support another train. Right now I'm being more productive as my vote's on a person with 2 votes.
    I disagree with the lack of impact you're implying here about Gray.

    If anything you're the one who has done less since neither your vote nor your play/discussion has really shifted at all imo.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    I would like to state that I haven't town-read TCP yet so I've been noting the points that have been made about them by Gray and Baker.

    I can vote them but I'm curious as to what they will do or say next if they come back before EoD.

    Otherwise, I do feel like a troll-flamer-person-who-may-actually-faking-this-to-a-degree-as-scum may be more worthwhile as a d1 elimination.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  34. ISO #384

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    Okay:
    If Magoroth and Light are both town remember how bakermir was my top townread? Well he would become my top scumread if that was the case. Otherwise he would stay as such.
    IF Magoroth is scum (which is what I’m slotting them as), then he is scum with TCP/Auwt and MM.
    If that's related to bakermir's questioning or suspicion of me early on (where he also was, in part, questioning how I found Light as town in #157) I would suggest to ignore it to some degree since I think he would have done that as either alignment given the context of the last scum game I had with him where I was scum.

    Otherwise that is an interesting take, but I'm not sure if I would agree. We can discuss that at a later point though since it hypothesizes post-flip.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  35. ISO #385

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    If that's related to bakermir's questioning or suspicion of me early on (where he also was, in part, questioning how I found Light as town in #157) I would suggest to ignore it to some degree since I think he would have done that as either alignment given the context of the last scum game I had with him where I was scum.

    Otherwise that is an interesting take, but I'm not sure if I would agree. We can discuss that at a later point though since it hypothesizes post-flip.
    Let me find the post I am thinking of real quick. It was just at a quick glance so maybe the context of the post is very different and doesn’t mean what I interpreted it to mean in the 5-6 seconds I took to think about it.

  36. ISO #386

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by StarGunner View Post
    I will give reads, I just don't know how to quote multiple people because nobody's explained that to me.
    Oh. You can use this:



    Check each post you wanna quote, and then on the final quote press the "Reply With Quote" button.

    Sometimes, but rarely, it gets finnicky though and it will save the multi-quote after your post so you may have to un-checkmark the posts aftwards.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    @MartinGG99 would bakermir in general prefer to lay back and not directly push people himself as town, like is he that kind of player?
    I don't think its a matter of whether he "lays back" but rather that he can often run in his own world being paranoid about things and sometimes doesn't speak up about them. Or when he does speak about a take he has, it can be controversial anyways and therefore the "pushing" power there is not really existent.

    He definitely isn't a hard-pushy kind of player though. At least he hasn't been recently.

    I've played quite a few games with him, and as of late I would say its town-lean baker, but honestly I would need to see more from him in the future.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  41. ISO #391

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    No dude you are not being productive. You are flamiing a person for literally no fucking reason other than a personal dislike of them and having the fucking BALLS to pass it off as a legit lynch. That is infuriating me to no end. You haven’t given any thought to how other players are reacting to your push and how scum would react in response to this train. You haven’t given ANY, because you are so focused on one player to the detriment of everything else.
    I push back at the notion that I'm going for light out of a personal vendetta. It's something straight out of this account's most recent game. Skip Day? Get wolf read by me. Light was in that last game and was town and did NOT join the wagon to skip day. There were two that did: a Yagami impersonator, and a stealthbomber impersonator. My vote is a legitimate vote and hopefully next game I play, I won't have to put up with this nonsense.

    I've mulled it stopping, but currently, I don't want to pull back my support on the Yagami Yeet as I'd rather be scum painted for following through than pulling back. And I know I will be with either path I choose. I can already see the "Oh Mag changed his vote from Yagami to X, and X turned out to be town. MAG MUST BE SCUM!!!!!" posts in their multitude of variations.

    You also accuse me of killing the game. I don't think this is a fair assessment as we're in a 13 player game, and I'm less than 10% of the vote. You don't need me to get things done, especially where there are so many other trains to look at. Are you trying to just accuse me of being a game killer, or would you rather I shut up?

    Lastly, the vote system that sc2mafia uses does not incentivize anyone to push more than one person. Other people do this, obviously, but there are downsides to this. Personally, I don't see much of a point in figuring out anything else when I have my target, and that my target currently has the numbers to be a viable yeet.

    Don't hate me, hate the system.

  42. ISO #392

    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Yes, lol. Exactly my point: you are copying something from a different game and trying to justify it as a legit lyncb xD how is this a legitimate vote? MULTIPLE people have confirmed Light votes skip every game. You are just trying to troll to roleplay like Voss and giving zero consideration to how this affects the game and when you get called out for it you pass it off as a legitimate vote so as not to admit you are literally trolling for out of game reasons.

    Don’t you dare blame the fucking vote system. Multiple people are pushing others and voting ONE person ans yet you are the only one tunneling so hard. Have some fucking humility.

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Hello back ghosts and non-ghosts, sorry for being late.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: S-FM Scum Town 13p

    Quote Originally Posted by StarGunner View Post
    Multi quote isn't doing anything......
    Bottom right of each post, you click on the different posts you wish to multi-quote and then you go at the bottom of the page and press "Reply to Thread".
    Should work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

 

 

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