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  1. ISO #1101

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I received an anonymous message last night, and I think the rest of you did too.
    i dont
    and i dont fcking care what info you will get from this
    i think i have the game solved
    BUT ONLY IF YOU DONT POST the great chinesese wall of text again. i have 500mb of screenshots i will have to put into a text. God will help me, i hope.
    Praise the Lord!

  2. ISO #1102

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I think its literally an item

    I was once given a (fake) gun in a DM game and it wasn't a card

    So it likely isn't constrained by Guilo's rules

    or at the very least I would like to play with the presumption that the gun exists and can be used rather than it not existing
    To point out the obvious: if this item indeed exists, then a scum killer likely has it, unless Boba was visited by someone before scum paid Boba a visit.

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  5. ISO #1105

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I can’t directly quote my anonymous message, so I’ll paraphrase it here.

    1. The player analyzed Pao’s ISO to look for interactions and listed how many interactions each player had with pao, noting that interactions between scum and scum in 24/7 chat games are usually forced or completely absent. To this extent, the player found 0 interactions with Mesk/Oliver, Gikkle, and DoctorZeus. The player expressed suspicion toward Gikkle for that reason. The player also noted that Pao had 12 interactions with PQ, which is a lot.

    2. The player noted how Pao scumread people they had few interactions with and lurkers, with deathworlds being the one exception (and me, but this player didn’t pick up on that?)

    3. The player townreads me, seanzie and loldebite. He scumreads MM and frinckles, noting that they are out of their town meta.

    It’s interesting that I actually disagree with Frinckles being out of his town meta, but whatever.

    1. i have smth important to say about interactions with paopan, but i will say it later, i dont want to breadcrumb my analysis
    3. iirc there was a player asking 3 pp about the 5 ppl that are in the secret pm
    sooo? time to find that i guess, it was with sb16/mm etc...
    Praise the Lord!

  6. ISO #1106

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    ...
    5. I wanted to buy us time to think, not only about Pao's flip but also how to improve our ITA strategy D2. The sleep consideration will remain a concern, I had considered setting alarms as needed during the night, but my previous FM game took a toll on my health as it is, I can't let games do this to me.
    rephrase this
    Praise the Lord!

  7. ISO #1107

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    So scenarios are:
    1. Message was sent by Town with their genuine views. Zeus has flipped 3P so that's a nothingburger. Mesk/oliver is also in my notes as a potential suspect partner to Pao, but would they really both vote up MM (2 scum and only 2 scum voting MM who is now known to be town)? For Gikkle, I noted they voted Pao early on "without explanation" (I think Pao's words, as I put quotes in my notes). Possible bussing.
    2. Message was sent by Pao's scum partner intended to induce a mislynch/misshot.

    I don't quite understand point 2 in your post there, but here are my notes for deathworlds.
    Deathworlds. Was one of my top townreads earlier. Pao made an incorrect statement about Deathworlds voting MM, deathworlds was first to catch it and point it out. Can that be bussing? I don't think so, I think deathworlds is town still (not 100% ofc). Pao gave them a -1 pt for DW's statement that someone acting uncharacteristically smart could be a sign of getting coached by their team (something I also suggested). I tend to think both DW and I were correct in that regard! But I did find it surprising that deathworlds insisted on voting me, so I need to be aware of the possibility that this was to form a CW to save Pao.

    bruh.
    my slot posted rvs
    then complained about diccs and subbing out
    then i literaly had real life.
    i will advance, just not now, yet, sry
    Praise the Lord!

  8. ISO #1108

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    So scenarios are:
    1. Message was sent by Town with their genuine views. Zeus has flipped 3P so that's a nothingburger. Mesk/oliver is also in my notes as a potential suspect partner to Pao, but would they really both vote up MM (2 scum and only 2 scum voting MM who is now known to be town)? For Gikkle, I noted they voted Pao early on "without explanation" (I think Pao's words, as I put quotes in my notes). Possible bussing.
    2. Message was sent by Pao's scum partner intended to induce a mislynch/misshot.

    I don't quite understand point 2 in your post there, but here are my notes for deathworlds.
    Deathworlds. Was one of my top townreads earlier. Pao made an incorrect statement about Deathworlds voting MM, deathworlds was first to catch it and point it out. Can that be bussing? I don't think so, I think deathworlds is town still (not 100% ofc). Pao gave them a -1 pt for DW's statement that someone acting uncharacteristically smart could be a sign of getting coached by their team (something I also suggested). I tend to think both DW and I were correct in that regard! But I did find it surprising that deathworlds insisted on voting me, so I need to be aware of the possibility that this was to form a CW to save Pao.

    i voted mm?=
    and i have a case on deathworlds.
    Praise the Lord!

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  10. ISO #1110

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    in retrospect bus drivering Seanzie with someone else was probably not the brightest idea I could have done

    because I cant tell if I got blocked or if the person switched with Seanzie was targeted for an NK

    the former would be less interesting yet possible but the latter would be more interesting to know if that were the case

    did anyone use a protective action on Seanzie last night?
    bro
    now u claimed possessing a busdriver card
    you can fullclaim who u bussed w/ lol
    Praise the Lord!

  11. ISO #1111

  12. ISO #1112

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    no, it's really not. I've had the experience of playing with a few other people who have a style and tone very similar to PQR and in that experience it's been town like 90%+ of the time. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. He's laying out his thought process in a way that's incredibly difficult for a wolf to fake, at least in my experience anyways.
    thats also 1 to 1 his scum meta
    once upon a town, (yes excactly what was shwon here w/ a t! paopan) he was scum
    and he was like the craziest player ive eveer seen
    and also the most "Open"
    now he matured somehoiw, w/ logic and stuff
    i think maybe thats just lag behind pqrns acc, theres too much rationality imo for any pqrn meta
    eithert that or last game with helz made him change more than he understood, yet
    Praise the Lord!

  13. ISO #1113

  14. ISO #1114

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    rephrase this
    I don't know how to phrase is any better. Which part is unclear?

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    bruh.
    my slot posted rvs
    then complained about diccs and subbing out
    then i literaly had real life.
    i will advance, just not now, yet, sry
    Agreed and understandable.

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    i voted mm?=
    and i have a case on deathworlds.
    Mesk did:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Oh, ots Marshalt not Marshall... I see
    Still, why would try and impersonate trash?
    -vote Marshmallow Marshalt

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    in retrospect bus drivering Seanzie with someone else was probably not the brightest idea I could have done

    because I cant tell if I got blocked or if the person switched with Seanzie was targeted for an NK

    the former would be less interesting yet possible but the latter would be more interesting to know if that were the case

    did anyone use a protective action on Seanzie last night?
    Wth how dare you! I thought that was just a nice friendly visit but you tried to get me killed?

  17. ISO #1117

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    IIRC there's only 2 : Lag's Own Risk and Once Upon a Town in the West, which was his very first.
    I also TR him D1, but the hammer i have trouble explaining myself. The hollow/PQR thingy going so smoothly makes my spine shiver, idk i feel weird about it.
    On the other hand, PQR was extremely survival-oriented in the Politico game too, so i guess that makes sense, after all...
    wait what
    WHAT
    pupon is pqrns first mafia game?
    whats yall learning curve?
    Praise the Lord!

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  20. ISO #1120

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I told you why I did why I did. Asking me more about it is not going to change my answers (apart from clarifications if something is not clear).

    I don't understand what are you saying about the flip there. Are you implying that I am Paopan and disguised into PQR slot? LOL
    I'm not asking more, i just want you to acknowledge that you did just that, because you did.

    What ?... The disguised part was a j o k e as i've said already;

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  24. ISO #1124

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    So now I really have little to hide I think with double elimination via voting, we gain some control for the scenario in which ITA deaths are not immediate flips. That is to say, we could choose to skip ITA altogether and anyone who shoots is a violator that gets lynched. And we just focus on our 2 lynches today.
    no matter how untowny that is
    i would rly like to yolo
    Praise the Lord!

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  28. ISO #1128

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    @MartinGG99

    I need you to justify to me why you swapped a Pao voter with a universally townread player. That swap makes NO sense.

    A player like DoctorZ or golf guy? Sure. PQ? Sure. Deathworlds? Sure.

    A guy who actually was on the train for the scum we lynched? I don’t get that.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  29. ISO #1129

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    OK I see your point, they do it in the last moment, as day ends. Hmmm so ideally we want to form 5- and 4-player wagons, but ofc we wouldnt know who the 2 potential shooters might be. But still, it's only 20% chance.
    I went looking b/c I was curious. All the games I've played with ITAs had a window where they opened and then closed. Generally a few hours after the start of the day they would open and they would close a few hours before the end of the day. I don't see windows in the OP but maybe I missed something?

    Regardless you have a good point here, we want fairly large fairly consolidated wagons because small wagons are easier to manipulate as we get closer to the end of the day.

    Likewise I also agree, anyone shooting when shooting is not approved gets wagoned and if they shoot minutes before EOD we just turbo/authorize shots against them the next game day.
    With dead 3p and only 2 max wolves left it'll be hard for them to coordinate anything like that to disrupt and they'd basically out to do it anyways.

    Following this kind of plan/thought boxes wolves in fairly hard I think because they're not going to be allowed access to the same tools that town is using without again outing.

  30. ISO #1130

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I'm not asking more, i just want you to acknowledge that you did just that, because you did.
    OK!

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    You DID choose living & town not shooting over risking death & town shooting.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    You DID choose to live rather than town getting informed kills.
    No.

  31. ISO #1131

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Can there be two neutrals? This is quite a neutral play by PQR if there is. No way he does this as factional scum. If there's no more neutrals then maybe PQR is just insane town.
    I have been townreading PQ since early day one and this… is actually town PQ. I hate it, it was a bad play, but I think it’s town.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  32. ISO #1132

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Are you saying that you didn't mean to sound like you suspected oliver ?....
    yeah yeah yeah
    he wanted to vote the uncool
    he attacked me w/o reason
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    left one lolde, right one me xD
    Praise the Lord!

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Maybe I need to elaborate. After I saw Paopan flip yesterday, I analyzed his interactions to see who may or may not be his partners and why. I have a number of slots which I identified as "potential suspects" but in my mind that is not the same as "i suspect this person". I view it more as "can be possible" that this slot is Pao's scum partner. Mesk/Oliver is there, Boba was there (because there was NOTHING there to rule it out), Gikkle is there. Basically POE, I can rule out certain players based on my townreads and based on me believing they are not likely to be Pao's teammate, leaving me with players who could certainly fit as Pao's partners. That does not mean I suspect them directly, but by elimination, they cannot be excluded from being scum.
    omfg
    finally someone who backreads w/ the flips
    +1
    i did it too(totally not coz i was reading only during n1, lol i didnt even get to use my abilities/cards)
    Praise the Lord!

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Maybe I need to elaborate. After I saw Paopan flip yesterday, I analyzed his interactions to see who may or may not be his partners and why. I have a number of slots which I identified as "potential suspects" but in my mind that is not the same as "i suspect this person". I view it more as "can be possible" that this slot is Pao's scum partner. Mesk/Oliver is there, Boba was there (because there was NOTHING there to rule it out), Gikkle is there. Basically POE, I can rule out certain players based on my townreads and based on me believing they are not likely to be Pao's teammate, leaving me with players who could certainly fit as Pao's partners. That does not mean I suspect them directly, but by elimination, they cannot be excluded from being scum.
    nbdy cannbe excluded form being scum
    see the politico II
    Praise the Lord!

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Let me guess... Two mislynches instead of one ? Yesterday you were advocating to holster to avoid mislynches, and now you're confident enough that you want to shoot AND double lynch. Why ?
    You've said too much!

    Tell me why potential mislynches are more of a concern to you than potential mis-shots?
    Thank you for pointing out that yesterday I was advocating to holster (I was open to shooting if we had a rock-solid plan) and wait for D2.
    Did you miss the part where I said (today) we may want to holster today and just focus on the 2 lynches? Are you trying to induce chaos here and get town out of a reasonable, sound strategy and get back to shooting?
    And yes, I am more confident today, absolutely. We know we are most surely in a 9v2, we are gaining knowledge from N1 feedback, we have flips as well as resulting POE to analyze.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    ok thats scummy, but still, +if scum attacked sean/ some1 else not already dead ->
    scum already knows who was bussed w/ who
    but town deosnt
    -> tell the town. say it to us
    are you implying that seanzie's kill, even if it were switched onto him, was done by mafia?
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    omg

    so

    1 day gun given to the killer (or 1st visitor) of boba, assuming its not on Seanze/MM/DrZ

    a double elimination

    and most probably 2 kills from ITA's

    total ~5 kills that can happen today

    how tf are we going to coordinate all of that
    we dont? like ITa is funa at all
    but just becuz you have a gun you dont have to sue it
    even ift heres scum otusdie ur hoseu
    you can wuse 2 kill
    like if 5 kill s all misslynch
    +nk
    thant it will be 2v3 next day 3
    too much of a risk tbh
    assuming 3 scums ofc
    Praise the Lord!

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    its probably the MU's version of Executioner

    It was used in a past Guilo game that wasn't Deck Mafia but chances are it does exist as a card in Deck Mafia as well

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...le=Executioner


    So basically anyone with 25%+ of the votes in the game can be hammered if that card is in the game and is used.
    LOOOL
    remember deck 007?
    im 100=0000% sure that there was a list of ALL cards present in the game at the start
    and im 100000% sure exe was one of them
    sooooo????!? we have an answer?!?
    Praise the Lord!

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Day 1 Final Votecount at Hammer

    NotPaopan (5): Gikkle, PQRnHack, Stealthbomber16, Loldebite, hollowkatt
    PQRnHack (3): Marshmallow Marshalt, deathworlds, DoctorZeus
    Marshmallow Marshalt (2): NotPaopan, Mesk514
    Stealthbomber16 (2): Seanzie, MartinGG99
    Gikkle (1): Takumi Fujiwara

    It is night 1

    NIGHT 1 COUNTDOWN

    Thinking SB16 is probably clear from the Paopan push, honestly.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    are you implying that seanzie's kill, even if it were switched onto him, was done by mafia?
    Oh shit that’s a TMI slip!

    -vote oliverz144
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    It doesn't.

    Would have to be detected by other actions, otherwise bus driving would be insanely confirmable.
    So what the fuck happened with @Gikkle
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    because like if they do ITA's but not us

    then we're skipping out on a deal for ITA's lol

    all they would have to do is time it when the ITA's get cut off (day action submission deadline) and nobody will be able to respond with ITA's of their own
    then we just masshammer the infractors
    like lynch?
    Praise the Lord!

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