S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

[theoneceko]

Yuesford contributed nothing to this thread besides his tunnel on Light, who I believe to be town, and his attacks toward me. However, tunnels don't come from scum. Yuesford's claim that he tunneled Light as a gambit to protect me doesn't make any sense.

However, here are some townie posts he made:

LOLOL how'd you say you win more than you lose?
You never carried a single game as town or evil.
Or are you talking about the statistics embedded in the game where quitting doesn't affect your W/L rate.

@Stealthbomber16 wdym not the right thing to do? I can't SUS Kira as evil?? lol

How am I not playing the game @Stealthbomber16 ?? I suspect Kira as 100% Mafia. You are just being an ass about it.

That's my scum read. Fuck off.

How is this +townpoints? LOLOL. Unknown == Renegade.
Scum list complete: Light Yagami + Ceko + Renegade with 2 smurfs.

There's some tunneling on Light and suspicion thrown towards a joke comment Renegade made. Both are town tells, especially for Yuesford. In Last Hope, Yuesford was scum. When Yuesford got pressured, he gave zero town tells. Now, he seems genuinely angry that he's getting lynched on day 1. Yuesford's scumreads of Light and I are very reminiscent of how new players read scum; if you scumread me when I'm town, then you must be scum. Yuesford reminds me of town!PQRnHack from Last Hope.

@Stealthbomber16 you said that Yuesford derailed the game, but I'm pretty sure Yuesford can do that as either alignment. Besides, I don't think he intended to anyway. Light started a death-tunnel on Yuesford since the start of this day, even though you could argue that Yuesford was just trolling because we were in the RVS stage.

Yuesford hasn't contributed much, but I don't think he's capable of contributing much in the first place--especially when he's the target of a tunnel.

I think lynching Yuesford day 1 is the same as lynching Renegade on day 1. Perhaps we should stop tunneling Yuesford and consider voting Auwt.

[theoneceko]

Yeah, I'm looking through Yusuf's posts. I think SB16 is also either just taking out of game stuff into this, confusing zzorange with yusuf, or is scum trying to misdirect us. I don't want to believe the latter.

Can someone who's voting for Yusuf quote some posts that are scummy?

Here's the link.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...archid=3638651

Like otherwise, I'm going to vote to try and save yusuf.

Same dude, same.
I read Yuesford's ISO. I found a lot of troll posts, but trolling isn't scummy. Just refer to the wall I just posted about Yues.

[theoneceko]

Just a full warning here, anyone caught to still be voting Paopan by days end will be on the shoot at night list. So if you don't want to get shot and killed at night you won't continue voting Paopan here. Being nice here giving this warning rather than just doing it, so if you don't heed this warning and are dead by tommorow THAT IS ON YOU.

Of course you're going to hard-claim vigilante when I just said that vigilante shouldn't shoot tonight.

[theoneceko]

@blinkskater I know I probably can't sway you, but what are your thoughts on Auwt?

Yuesford's train has too little resistance if you ask me.

[blinkskater]

@blinkskater I know I probably can't sway you, but what are your thoughts on Auwt?

Yuesford's train has too little resistance if you ask me.

My only thought on AUWT right now is that he is probably not scum

[Auwt]

So Seems Top Contenders For Day 1 Lynch Are The Three PPL Voting Me.. My Vote Will Remain Where Its At The Rest Of The Day.. So I U Guys Can Get More Out Of Orange & Auwt.. Or They Put Effort In To Change Your Minds.. Then I Think We Really Did Find All Three Scum Day 1.

With this post you are literally suggesting people should not get more out of Yuesford.
Are you already considering him as a dead slot?
I'm wondering why.

With this post you are confirming an intentional forced narrowing of the choice to your voters.
Good for you, some looked to be on the same wavelength.
I'm wondering why.

And to conclude, the use of "then" here is shaky.
Should I understand it as "If they [Light_Yagami's train] try to change your mind then they are scums"
That's a damn shortcut man.

Your post is literally awful.

[blinkskater]

Problem is, I see Yuesfords train as pretty pure because my only town reads are on it.

So I don't really want to be anywhere else

[Light_Yagami]

With this post you are literally suggesting people should not get more out of Yuesford.
Are you already considering him as a dead slot?
I'm wondering why.

With this post you are confirming an intentional forced narrowing of the choice to your voters.
Good for you, some looked to be on the same wavelength.
I'm wondering why.

And to conclude, the use of "then" here is shaky.
Should I understand it as "If they [Light_Yagami's train] try to change your mind then they are scums"
That's a damn shortcut man.

Your post is literally awful.

How Would You Have Worded It?

[theoneceko]

My only thought on AUWT right now is that he is probably not scum

AUW(U)(WUWOWU)T.

Is this based on what you know about Auwt's meta?

I only played with town!Auwt when Auwt subbed in for someone.

[Funny Thing]

Problem is, I see Yuesfords train as pretty pure because my only town reads are on it.

So I don't really want to be anywhere else

are your guys good at finding bad guys shaggy

[blinkskater]

AUW(U)(WUWOWU)T.

Is this based on what you know about Auwt's meta?

I only played with town!Auwt when Auwt subbed in for someone.

It's just based on how and what I've seen him contribute to the game.

[blinkskater]

are your guys good at finding bad guys shaggy

probably not tbh

[Auwt]

How Would You Have Worded It?

Was the meaning of the last point correctly interpreted?
If so, this is even awfuler than expected.

[theoneceko]

With this post you are literally suggesting people should not get more out of Yuesford.
Are you already considering him as a dead slot?
I'm wondering why.

With this post you are confirming an intentional forced narrowing of the choice to your voters.
Good for you, some looked to be on the same wavelength.
I'm wondering why.

And to conclude, the use of "then" here is shaky.
Should I understand it as "If they [Light_Yagami's train] try to change your mind then they are scums"
That's a damn shortcut man.

Your post is literally awful.

Light can provide his own answers, but since I want you lynched, I will respond too.

Light is tunneling Yuesford. Everyone knows this.
Light is a power player. Light enjoys when the game revolves around him.
?????

[theoneceko]

Problem is, I see Yuesfords train as pretty pure because my only town reads are on it.

So I don't really want to be anywhere else

Isn't Yuesford playing a lot differently than he did in Last Hope as scum?

[theoneceko]

are your guys good at finding bad guys shaggy

I think we're shit at finding bad guys, so I'm worried that a lot of people I consider townie are voting Yuesford.

[BananaCucho]

I'm definitely Team Treecko this game

[Light_Yagami]

Was the meaning of the last point correctly interpreted?
If so, this is even awfuler than expected.

I Dont Think It Was Correctly Interpreted..

[Renegade]

-vote Auwt

[blinkskater]

Isn't Yuesford playing a lot differently than he did in Last Hope as scum?

Yeah but he was trying to act like a new player that didn't know what to do in Last Hope.

[Renegade]

Votes on Yigama are dumb but will give ZZ and Yule half of a pass for now.

[Light_Yagami]

probably not tbh

U Know I Have An Uncanny Knack To On Occasions.. Find Scum Out Of Damn Near Nothing..

[theoneceko]

The ratio of town to scum is 11:3. We have almost four times more town than scum. Therefore, town can easily mislynch today without scum's help.

[Auwt]

Light can provide his own answers, but since I want you lynched, I will respond too.

Light is tunneling Yuesford. Everyone knows this.
Light is a power player. Light enjoys when the game revolves around him.
?????

There is a difference between tunneling and literally ignoring and considering the slot as a dead one.


Sigh. Does not justify anything.


Or They Put Effort In To Change Your Minds.. Then I Think We Really Did Find All Three Scum Day 1.

So "if we try to change your minds" -> "we are scums"
That's the way I'm getting this.
And that's just called a cut-discussion shortcut.

[blinkskater]

U Know I Have An Uncanny Knack To On Occasions.. Find Scum Out Of Damn Near Nothing..

yeah that sounds more like luck tho lol

[Auwt]

I Dont Think It Was Correctly Interpreted..

Then care to provide what's the correct intepretation.

[theoneceko]

If Stealth and Light are scum, they're playing well. I think power-wolfing is a good strategy for scum in this setup.

[Light_Yagami]

Then care to provide what's the correct intepretation.

My Point Was Unless Effort Is Put In From You And ZZOrange.. Your Basically Scum.. From What Ive Seen U Definitely Havent Been Playing Your Town Game.. So Far I Have A Slight Scum Lean On You.. Not Because Of Ur Vote But Because Somethings Is Off In Your Play Style..

[Light_Yagami]

If Stealth and Light are scum, they're playing well. I think power-wolfing is a good strategy for scum in this setup.

Not Gonna Lie Stealth Could Be Trying Ta Pocket Me But His Post About Him Proclaiming Me Town Core And The One After It Was Pretty Funny.

[BananaCucho]

Why do I feel both top trains are bad to join.
Why do I feel there are a lot of "SAS".

Heading to bed soooooon.
Leaving my vote to the scummiest rn.
Haven't fully read early pages though.

Defending top 2 posters
+
First skip voter get to perish.

-vote Light_Yagami

@Auwt can you please explain why you considered the two top trains as bad and then joined one? What do you find about Justice that is scummy exactly? Other than the skip vote?

[Stealthbomber16]

Problem is, I see Yuesfords train as pretty pure because my only town reads are on it.

So I don't really want to be anywhere else

This is pretty much it.

I don't like that there's so much traction against the Yuesford train right now by some of my null reads.

The alternative here is that if Yuesford flips town that clears a few people for me. We come back tomorrow and revisit blink, myself and whoever else pops on board.

I see that renegade hopped off. If Yuesford flips scum I'd be very willing to visit a renegade lynch tomorrow.

We're actually getting quite a bit of information from this, paradoxically.

[blinkskater]

This is pretty much it.

I don't like that there's so much traction against the Yuesford train right now by some of my null reads.

The alternative here is that if Yuesford flips town that clears a few people for me. We come back tomorrow and revisit blink, myself and whoever else pops on board.

I see that renegade hopped off. If Yuesford flips scum I'd be very willing to visit a renegade lynch tomorrow.

We're actually getting quite a bit of information from this, paradoxically.

wtf

[Stealthbomber16]

As someone who has lead a mislynch against auwt as town before I don't really feel like being part of one again. He's had a weak day but I don't think he's scum right now.

[Stealthbomber16]

wtf

Hey man, if that guy flips town we're kinda fucked LMAO

[BananaCucho]

This is pretty much it.

I don't like that there's so much traction against the Yuesford train right now by some of my null reads.

The alternative here is that if Yuesford flips town that clears a few people for me. We come back tomorrow and revisit blink, myself and whoever else pops on board.

I see that renegade hopped off. If Yuesford flips scum I'd be very willing to visit a renegade lynch tomorrow.

We're actually getting quite a bit of information from this, paradoxically.

I thought there aren't flips

[Funny Thing]

you gotta believe

[Light_Yagami]

I thought there aren't flips

That Was My Understanding As Well

[BananaCucho]

Hey man, if that guy flips town we're kinda fucked LMAO

Why are you willing to put us in a "if he's town were fucked" situation over a shot in the dark PL?

I mean we have literally nothing to go off of for him. Dude actually just derailed the game and fucking dipped.

[Funny Thing]

shaggy said game was stale but the whole time it was fresh

[BananaCucho]

Stealth

[Stealthbomber16]

I thought there aren't flips

Am I stupid again?

Mafia gets one less KPN if we kill one anyway so we'll have a pretty decent idea whether or not we hit one even if there's no flip.

[Light_Yagami]

I Mean We Could Always Skip The Day.. If Everyone Is That Worried About A Mis-Lynch...lol

[Auwt]

@Auwt can you please explain why you considered the two top trains as bad and then joined one? What do you find about Justice that is scummy exactly? Other than the skip vote?

Just for the context.

ZZ said let's go for top 2 posters.
TOP 2 were ceko+you(banana)
Light said doing this is scummy.
Light was TOP 3.

Asking to kill top 2 posters is like asking to kill bottom 2 posters.
Do you feel it's scummy to ask to kill bottom 2 posters ? I don't, and I don't think anybody here does.
Do you feel it's scummy to ask to kill top 2 posters ? I don't, but apparently someone here does.

With that in mind, there are only 3 possible explanations.

Light is teamed with either you or ceko (more ceko imo).
Light is scared as top3 and does not want to let zz live (for specific reasons, if you see what's my point here).
Light is pushing a scum agenda.

[BananaCucho]

Stealth is slipping down my list as fast as a split peach dipped in oil

[blinkskater]

I'm sad now, I have lost all faith in sb16

[Auwt]

I Mean We Could Always Skip The Day.. If Everyone Is That Worried About A Mis-Lynch...lol

Thanks for making me even more comfortable on my vote.

[WrathCyber]

I don't care what you guys said. I skipped most of page 16 too. If you guys are all sheeping on Yues and ZZ, I won't take anyone who says anything after seriously anymore. Mod players like me have played with them, so we know when they're town and when they're not. Willing to bet both my balls they're both town, and so is Light. Martingg and the anonymous FM guy should be our priority. Martin has lead next to nothing, and the anon guy has done nothing but reaffirm others and snowballing on lynches.

[Stealthbomber16]

Why are you willing to put us in a "if he's town were fucked" situation over a shot in the dark PL?

Traction. People feel more strongly about yuesford than zz. We get more info from his death.

The "if he's town we're fucked" is referring to me and blink as townreads, not town as a whole. As someone who is pushing rather strongly for this lynch over auwt, it reflects poorly on me. Blink is doing basically nothing so it reflects poorly on him.

[blinkskater]

-vote mike

[WrathCyber]

Also, I do think Auwt is towncore just by the way he replies (FOR NOW). I've read him as town, this is not a pocket. I repeat this is not a pocket. I repeat this is not a pocket.
So is bananacucho just by the way he replies (FOR NOW). I've read him as town, this is not a pocket. I repeat this is not a pocket. I repeat this is not a pocket.