S-FM 328: Lazy (6P)

[Lumi]

Here's what I'm thinking right now, one of ceko/blink/oberon gets hammered today. I really, really don't think it's ceko given all that's happened. And especially since scum~blink, scum~Oberon seems very likely. And if one of them is town, then scum~blink easily can sway a town~Oberon, and scum~Oberon probably can sway a town~blink selling the point that he believed blink was town and knew that blink was just making his ridiculous play and so Oberon decided to bail blink out.

Personally I want blink lynched first since I think his Sheriff claim as citizen makes almost zero sense, whereas a citizen~Oberon making that claim at least has a sliver of sense in it.

But the scenario I'm afraid of is if we lynch blink first, is Oberon managing to steal a win off of that by claiming town cred regardless of how blink flips.

[Oberon]

Here's what I'm thinking right now, one of ceko/blink/oberon gets hammered today. I really, really don't think it's ceko given all that's happened. And especially since scum~blink, scum~Oberon seems very likely. And if one of them is town, then scum~blink easily can sway a town~Oberon, and scum~Oberon probably can sway a town~blink selling the point that he believed blink was town and knew that blink was just making his ridiculous play and so Oberon decided to bail blink out.

Personally I want blink lynched first since I think his Sheriff claim as citizen makes almost zero sense, whereas a citizen~Oberon making that claim at least has a sliver of sense in it.

But the scenario I'm afraid of is if we lynch blink first, is Oberon managing to steal a win off of that by claiming town cred regardless of how blink flips.

Disagree, there's no need to lynch Ceko or Me. In fact the thunder dome is not blink vs ceko, it is blink vs his PoE. Lynch blink or someone in his PoE. If one flips town, lynch the other.

[Lumi]

psshh. i hate it.

i agree with the conclusion, but u haven't gone into detail about my sheriff claim and oberon's sheriff claim. the fact u wrote one sentence about how i could be sheriff, but wrote a paragraph on how i may be a power-wolfing scum, makes me look more likely to be scum xD.

The post is analyzing a players motivation from their POV assuming they are that role. There's nothing to analyze when a sheriff claims sheriff. That's why it's short there.

[Lumi]

Ugh you guys are fucking morons, no offence. Ceko is a tunnelling retard who refuses to listen to reason and just gutvotes because he's terrified of evil blink pocketing him with an objectively awful play if he's Mafia. And on top of all that wants to hammer early because ??? Yeah I don't know, I'm lost. You lost me. None of it makes any sense and you are just fucking dolts.

The problem with this line of reasoning, is that while the play is objectively bad if he's mafia. It's objectively SUPER awful if he's citizen. Same applies to your sheriff claim btw

[theoneceko]

oberon refuses to thunderdome me even though he cc's my sheriff claim. that's all the evidence you need to know that oberon can't be a sheriff. unfortunately, ppl like varcron will wifom this and makes things easier for scum.

also, to be COMPLETELY honest about my scum play, idk how i'd actually play if i was scum. it has been like a year since i rolled scum. in that scum game, i just afk'ed. UWU!!!

i still get this feeling of disgust in my stomach when thinking about winning as scum. it's better on my conscience to win as town UWOWU. however, i AM capable of doing whatever it takes to win.

if i was power-wolfing, i wouldn't suicide by instantly cc'ing the sheriff. i'd probably just roll-over and die mid-game. ppl will push me and i will UWOWU HEWWO!!!, then get lynched. i said this before, but it makes no sense for me to cc two sheriffs if i was scum. if both sheriff claims were town, i'd just let them thunderdome. if one was town and was scum, then i'd let them thunderdome instead of giving town a 2/3 chance to lynch scum.

lag, i hope u just trust my sheriff claim. if oberon flips sheriff, then turbo me next uwu.

[Oberon]

The problem with this line of reasoning, is that while the play is objectively bad if he's mafia. It's objectively SUPER awful if he's citizen. Same applies to your sheriff claim btw

Nope.

[theoneceko]

@theoneceko learn to fucking play mafia. don't just tunnel mindlessly on one/two people all day because of mechanical claims. have you thought that people don't always follow the mechanical "play" because its not always advantageous to do so? do you incorporate anything into your view of mafia that a robot couldn't replicate?

no

[Oberon]

oberon refuses to thunderdome me even though he cc's my sheriff claim. that's all the evidence you need to know that oberon can't be a sheriff. unfortunately, ppl like varcron will wifom this and makes things easier for scum.

also, to be COMPLETELY honest about my scum play, idk how i'd actually play if i was scum. it has been like a year since i rolled scum. in that scum game, i just afk'ed. UWU!!!

i still get this feeling of disgust in my stomach when thinking about winning as scum. it's better on my conscience to win as town UWOWU. however, i AM capable of doing whatever it takes to win.

if i was power-wolfing, i wouldn't suicide by instantly cc'ing the sheriff. i'd probably just roll-over and die mid-game. ppl will push me and i will UWOWU HEWWO!!!, then get lynched. i said this before, but it makes no sense for me to cc two sheriffs if i was scum. if both sheriff claims were town, i'd just let them thunderdome. if one was town and was scum, then i'd let them thunderdome instead of giving town a 2/3 chance to lynch scum.

lag, i hope u just trust my sheriff claim. if oberon flips sheriff, then turbo me next uwu.

Use your brain I know you have one why would I not thunder dome you if I'm town

[Lumi]

Ugh you guys are fucking morons, no offence. Ceko is a tunnelling retard who refuses to listen to reason and just gutvotes because he's terrified of evil blink pocketing him with an objectively awful play if he's Mafia. And on top of all that wants to hammer early because ??? Yeah I don't know, I'm lost. You lost me. None of it makes any sense and you are just fucking dolts.

This is super uncalled for, when ceko is voting you because ceko claimed sheriff, and you CC'd the claim. Ceko is the one listening to reason here, and you are either scum, a citizen who thinks they are exempt from game theory, or sheriff that has no idea what's going on and doesn't want to lynch the fake sheriff claim

[theoneceko]

Here's what I'm thinking right now, one of ceko/blink/oberon gets hammered today. I really, really don't think it's ceko given all that's happened. And especially since scum~blink, scum~Oberon seems very likely. And if one of them is town, then scum~blink easily can sway a town~Oberon, and scum~Oberon probably can sway a town~blink selling the point that he believed blink was town and knew that blink was just making his ridiculous play and so Oberon decided to bail blink out.

Personally I want blink lynched first since I think his Sheriff claim as citizen makes almost zero sense, whereas a citizen~Oberon making that claim at least has a sliver of sense in it.

But the scenario I'm afraid of is if we lynch blink first, is Oberon managing to steal a win off of that by claiming town cred regardless of how blink flips.

lol my poe is blink then oberon or oberon then blink. i am the un-cc'ed sheriff (oberon's sheriff claim is false bc it's so bad). oberon is dying no matter what

[Oberon]

lol my poe is blink then oberon or oberon then blink. i am the un-cc'ed sheriff (oberon's sheriff claim is false bc it's so bad). oberon is dying no matter what

IF IT'S BAD THEN WHY ARE YOU KILLING ME????

[Lumi]

Disagree, there's no need to lynch Ceko or Me. In fact the thunder dome is not blink vs ceko, it is blink vs his PoE. Lynch blink or someone in his PoE. If one flips town, lynch the other.

I disagree with this one like 3 different levels. lol

[theoneceko]

Disagree, there's no need to lynch Ceko or Me. In fact the thunder dome is not blink vs ceko, it is blink vs his PoE. Lynch blink or someone in his PoE. If one flips town, lynch the other.

hewwo lag. hammer time???

[Oberon]

hewwo lag. hammer time???

You're an imbecile. I can't even finish what I was going to do because of you. brb

[theoneceko]

This is super uncalled for, when ceko is voting you because ceko claimed sheriff, and you CC'd the claim. Ceko is the one listening to reason here, and you are either scum, a citizen who thinks they are exempt from game theory, or sheriff that has no idea what's going on and doesn't want to lynch the fake sheriff claim

i don't mind, dw </3

[Oberon]

Fellas, Ima be real here. I think ceko and blink are town. I think that for a very specific reason.
All I’m saying is: I’m the real sheriff.
K?
Eventually we lynch one of those claims who explicitly revealed beforehand or immediately that they were trolling. Also potentially one of the players who hasn’t claimed it at all yet.

I wasn't going to do this but seeing as playing FM with this class of mind-frozen robots gets me scumread. Here. I breadcrumbed in my reveal post that I was lying.
I haven't even gotten any info from my gambit because of your insane tunnelling.

[Oberon]

Now go fuck yourself. Good bye
never ping me to play FM again until you stop tunnelling

[theoneceko]

IF IT'S BAD THEN WHY ARE YOU KILLING ME????

because it's bad.

u still claim sheriff, right? if so, u die-die.

[theoneceko]

I wasn't going to do this but seeing as playing FM with this class of mind-frozen robots gets me scumread. Here. I breadcrumbed in my reveal post that I was lying.
I haven't even gotten any info from my gambit because of your insane tunnelling.

lol. okay

-vote unvote

[theoneceko]

oberon withdrew his sheriff claim at l-1, just blink.

let's go back to my original poe. blink dies today. if he flips mafia, then we turbo oberon.

-vote blinkskater

[theoneceko]

oberon withdrew his sheriff claim at l-1, just like blink.

let's go back to my original poe. blink dies today. if he flips mafia, then we turbo oberon.

-vote blinkskater

fixed that

[Oberon]

PQR worded one of his phrases such that his "sheriff" claim actually makes him villager

Very smart breadcrumb by him

There was a ceko V Blink thunder dome that resolved fairly recently, you'll see that soon.

Why does make him Villager? Can't he be Mafia?

[Lumi]

I wasn't going to do this but seeing as playing FM with this class of mind-frozen robots gets me scumread. Here. I breadcrumbed in my reveal post that I was lying.
I haven't even gotten any info from my gambit because of your insane tunnelling.

lol this is actually really clever

[theoneceko]

the only thing that didn't make sense about oberon and blink was that they seemed to be working together. varc said this first, but it's something i agree with: if scum team up in this setup on day 1, they're basically suiciding.

however, i still heavily heavily scumread oberon because:
1. he sounds completely different from last game
2. he thinks blink is town

if oberon flips villager, then i guess we get varcron next.

current poe: blink => oberon => varcron

[theoneceko]

Why does make him Villager? Can't he be Mafia?

seems u still think blink is lock town or something

-vote Oberon

[Oberon]

lol this is actually really clever

Yeah, and now I'm not gonna get any info at all from it. It doesn't work when it's out in the open.

[theoneceko]

lol this is actually really clever

blink probably told him to do that UWU

[Oberon]

seems u still think blink is lock town or something

-vote Oberon

I do not, but I can see a world in which he is Citizen and doing what he is doing. I think I basically tried to pull off the same stunt as him?

[theoneceko]

Yeah, and now I'm not gonna get any info at all from it. It doesn't work when it's out in the open.

bro, scum can't "get info" for the town lol, you're just making pqr varc and lag all look like mafia while completely ignoring blink's slot xD

[theoneceko]

I do not, but I can see a world in which he is Citizen and doing what he is doing. I think I basically tried to pull off the same stunt as him?

so, no one is mafia to you? wtf

[Lumi]

Also for the record, I take Oberon's fake sheriff claim as NAI - he could have just as easily have done that as mafia. It's still a really clever play - he walked into a thunderdome with no exits but brought a teleportation device in with him.

[theoneceko]

I do not, but I can see a world in which he is Citizen and doing what he is doing. I think I basically tried to pull off the same stunt as him?

so this is YOUR read list:

sheriff: the one eko
town: blink
less likely to be town: pqr, varc, and lag

[theoneceko]

Also for the record, I take Oberon's fake sheriff claim as NAI - he could have just as easily have done that as mafia. It's still a really clever play - he walked into a thunderdome with no exits but brought a teleportation device in with him.

;W;

i'm still sad u said i was a lynch target for today.

[theoneceko]

Also for the record, I take Oberon's fake sheriff claim as NAI - he could have just as easily have done that as mafia. It's still a really clever play - he walked into a thunderdome with no exits but brought a teleportation device in with him.

i take oberon's sheriff claim and literally everything else he said today as something scum!oberon would say.

[Oberon]

bro, scum can't "get info" for the town lol, you're just making pqr varc and lag all look like mafia while completely ignoring blink's slot xD

You're just regurgitating witty one-liners and ignoring half the game in favour of tunnelling on one-two people. Lol. You're gonna feel really silly if you were wrong on both blink and me, and didn't look at scum because you tunnelled.

[theoneceko]

so lag, u said something about always lynching someone in the thunderdome, even if one of them withdrew from the thunderdome.

blink did that, so...

blink is scum uwu

[Lumi]

;W;

i'm still sad u said i was a lynch target for today.

I'm sowwy ;w;
I was just covering all my bases, that post about you was analyzing what motivation you would have to claim sheriff, ASSUMING you were scum. That assumption in my mind was a very far-fetched one, but it's still an important thing to consider.

[Oberon]

so this is YOUR read list:

sheriff: the one eko
town: blink
less likely to be town: pqr, varc, and lag

No, my list is something like this:

Me
Ceko

Pornhack
blinkskater

LagAttack
Varcron

I am not too sure about the order of PHack/blinkskater. Could swap them around. I do not think it is Pornhack because his play looks much the same to me.

[theoneceko]

You're just regurgitating witty one-liners and ignoring half the game in favour of tunnelling on one-two people. Lol. You're gonna feel really silly if you were wrong on both blink and me, and didn't look at scum because you tunnelled.

im just playing around with you bc you're scum
hmm i dropped like five walls today, yea i must be "ignoring half the game" LOL
lol

also, i see ur "Lol" as evidence that ur not actually pissed off. ur still being mr. negotiator. scum pushing scum agenda, must suck to be exposed xD

[Lumi]

so lag, u said something about always lynching someone in the thunderdome, even if one of them withdrew from the thunderdome.

blink did that, so...

blink is scum uwu

Yes, so far we have had 5 sheriff claims.
PQR's claim in retrospect looked to be a joke.
blink actually did hard-claim it and then backed down
ceko hard-claimed and is now un-CC'd sheriff
Varcron claimed it and then backed down a few minutes later, definitely reads as a joke
Oberon fake-hard-claimed it in a clever way.

Sticking to the strategy, blink is the lynch.

[blinkskater]

If ceko weren't an UN CC'D sheriff here my vote would be on him the entire game tbh.

-vote lagattack

[theoneceko]

I'm sowwy ;w;
I was just covering all my bases, that post about you was analyzing what motivation you would have to claim sheriff, ASSUMING you were scum. That assumption in my mind was a very far-fetched one, but it's still an important thing to consider.

;W;

okay ;W;

[Oberon]

im just playing around with you bc you're scum
hmm i dropped like five walls today, yea i must be "ignoring half the game" LOL
lol

also, i see ur "Lol" as evidence that ur not actually pissed off. ur still being mr. negotiator. scum pushing scum agenda, must suck to be exposed xD

I'm just going to ignore you from now on. You're the most anti-town player this game and reasoning with you is impossible. Bye.

[Oberon]

If ceko weren't an UN CC'D sheriff here my vote would be on him the entire game tbh.

-vote lagattack

Ceko is the most anti-town person in this entire thread. You don't need scum when you have one guy tunnelling like a fucking miner.

[theoneceko]

If ceko weren't an UN CC'D sheriff here my vote would be on him the entire game tbh.

-vote lagattack

don't listen to the un-cc'ed sheriff oberon. listen to your null read and vote lag!

[blinkskater]

@Oberon you know Lag had placed me on L1 like 3-4 hours into the game?

[Lumi]

@Varcron @theoneceko

Can we please switch to blinkskater?

[theoneceko]

I'm just going to ignore you from now on. You're the most anti-town player this game and reasoning with you is impossible. Bye.

Ceko is the most anti-town person in this entire thread. You don't need scum when you have one guy tunnelling like a fucking miner.

sorry but you're scum.

[theoneceko]

@Varcron @theoneceko

Can we please switch to blinkskater?

uwu hewwo!!!

-vote blinkskater

[Lumi]

Fucking at L-1 now myself. WHY AM I AT L-1 WHEN THERE'S LITERALLY A PERSON THAT HARD-CLAIMD SHERIFF JUST TO BACK OUT?