S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[SuperJack]

Well, I would choose to get TheDougler. Even if SJ could have bountied himself the fact that HE HAS BEEN bountied makes us have to ignore him for today.

And when he turns out as Mafia
(Since he can't be Joker since he was AFK n0)
And then me and ptb die.


What then?

[thedougler]

Before you all vote me, pls let TBP speak. He may or may not chinage your minds. In any case I am settled on voting Gyrlander at EoD barring any shocking revelations from our det.

[SuperJack]

Thats why Im voting no one atm.
Ive done what I've done everynight. Fuck all.

[Gyrlander]

And when he turns out as Mafia
(Since he can't be Joker since he was AFK n0)
And then me and ptb die.


What then?

Then there will be 2 mafia and the joker and God help us.

However, we still have to wait for Phoenix to come.

And it is TBP now PTB lmao.

[Gyrlander]

Thats why Im voting no one atm.
Ive done what I've done everynight. Fuck all.

I didn't know I don't count as a person being voted :__)

[Fury]

Ok I have legit BARELY skimmed what has been said, but I saw something about lynching dougler. He's either town or mafia for reasons that SJ mentioned. Regardless, he's not joker. That means we should hunt for joker and not lynch dougler today 100%. Even if you think he's scum, he's a necessary evil to keep alive right now. That being said, dougler why the hell do you want to lynch gyrlander? Gone are the days of policy lynches. You wanting to policy lynch at a pivotal time like this screams scum. Anyways, I don't have time to read your arguments and analyze them yet, but I know for myself that I will not lynch dougler or gyrlander - as I don't think either of them are joker. Anyways, I think it's mesk for reasons I said earlier + shit in my head that I don't have time to hunt down quotes for atm. Be back later. Mesk, maybe reading what you write will sway me, but I don't think that'll happen at this point. Town win comes before the block always, you know this.

[thedougler]

Fury why are you so set against me or Gyrlander being the scum? You have hinted at unspecified "reasons" for me, but not for Gyrlander. In any case it's not hard to pinpoint why I think Gyrlander is scum. He voted like 4 different people within a single page yesterday and has been flinging shit at literally everyone without justifying his choices. But there's this recent bit of gold:

Then there will be 2 mafia and the joker and God help us.

However, we still have to wait for Phoenix to come.

And it is TBP now PTB lmao.

Does he really think there are 2 mafia still in the game? I don't think so. This is where his whole "batshit insane citizen" charade clearly jumped the shark. It's SO obvious he is only feigning his disinterest in the game, to a level of disinterest that would just be implausible. And if he lacks such a clear grasp of what is happening around him, he certainly seems fast to vote.

Regardless, I don't see why he seems to act as if he has power when he is the most likely candidate to be mafia.

He doesn't care about WHY I am suspicious with this quote. It is enough for him that others suspect me, which makes me an easy scapegoat.

What kind of rubbish is this post? You are not in any way confirmed, but there are some people to lynch first. You aren't going to sneak as a confirmed towny, bish. Now, Unknown & SJ, stop voting each other cause none of you are dying and please choose one of the other people.

He was oddly certain that Unknown was town, despite Unknown being a cit with no way to confirm himself. Let's face it, Unknown's feirce stance against SuperJack is what got him lynched. We all thought he was scum except Gyrlander. Why? I think Gyrlander town read SJ and Unknown, but only from a mafia-perspective. He thought they were both cits and wanted to find the Joker.

[thedougler]

BTW I already corrected myself, this would not be a policy lynch. I full on scum-read Gyrlander.

[Mesk514]

Let's be real, there is no way Joker would have bountied himself along with the only confirmed town here. He would die whether we lynch him or not. It's a really dumb move either way.
You must think us Citizens are dumb. This is NOT how Joker works

Then again, I'm not happy with lynching a possible cit (SJ) just to keep TBP alive. I would rather scumhunt today. For all we know SJ is agent and the Joker has just taken care of the maf for us.

Mesk is really fishy right now. Why do you trust Fury so much?
Because this he straight the fuck up visited someone to prove he's not the Joker. He can be the agent but im mostly certain it's you

Then again I am ignoring Gyrlander, just like I did yesterday. That man deserves a policy lynch over Mesk I'd say. Mesk's verbal slip-ups don't equal half of the scum read I have on Gyrlander.

What a fucking flop.


@Fury , @Gyrlander , @The Burning Phoenix @SuperJack

Of Course us real townies want to get rid of the Joker. However, if we look at this from TheDouglers perspective if the Joker dies today he's guaranteed to lose. His only hope is to execute a mislynch. This is why he's pushing me and this is why he's flopping all over the place because he has to keep his options open and be ready to sway in whichever direction we decide to take this lynch. He says he wants to scum hunt today which in reality is him just getting ready to evade getting lynched today, follow through with the mislynch, and pounce on the jester tomorrow, after the jester has killed 2 people and then night kill the following night which leads him to victory. This is as clear as day to me seeing as im a fucking citizen. I swear to fucking god. and i know im prone to having scum goggles where i literally tunnel people because i have smoke too much weed and i thought i found the answers to life but im pretty sure this is whats happening here. It has to be what's happening here. If TheDougler is not the agent then fucking slap me silly cause this game is really starting to piss me the fuck off. The ONLY DOUBT WITH ME FOR THE DOUGLER IS HIS FLOPPING COULD GENUINELY BE HIM KEEPING HIS MIND OPEN TO OTHER POSSIBILITIES SINCE HES DOESNT SEEM TO HAVE TUNNEL VISION.

but seriously though, where the fuck is our detective

My solution is
1) obviously we wait for TBP, if he has the answers to our rambling then jesus fucking christ im going to be pissed i just wasted time writing this novel after smoking a fat puff.
2) if TBP does not have the answers then I say we counter the Jester to give TBP another night to track him down. Another check tonight and im certain that this game is mechanically solved due to the process of elimination
3) at that point we lynch the joker
4) after the joker is dead scum takes a single night kill which then will leave him in a 2 v 1, which im highly certain again will end with a town victory due to the process of elimination.

I would also like to say fuck you to all those that reading as the joker as i would never kill my homie Ika.

Also, giant fuck you to fury for saying its town before block. Our block is a TOWN BLOCK. and YOU asked to be part of MY block with Ika and Unknown. And although I hammered TwentyTwo and Unknown, my votes did nothing to harm town and neither have any of my actions. The only thing in regards to me harming town this game is my LACK of actions. I genuinely regret not being around EoD for the TwentyTwo lynch, or at least used common sense, as it was obvious twenty two was a Citizen (AND I SAID THAT) thus by PoE TBP was detective and should have focused my last minute energy on pushing TheDougler or even suggesting policy lynching Gyrlander

This is my attempt to salvage the push on me, and if you dont believe me I can sleep soundly at night as opposed to how I slept after the Cult of Zed game. My lack of effort there helped scum win and Im not going down with at least my solution to town winning.

I'll be popping in and out, but tomorrow I'll be doing lots.
If TBP doesnt pop in, im just gonna post fans.

[Gyrlander]

Lady Gaga would be proud of that post.

[The Burning Phoenix]

I am sorry for not being active, I forgot I play this sometimes and March break ended a week ago so I don't have as much time as I did previously.
thedougler visited himself but unfortunately the joker is doing nothing, so we can't tell.

[Fury]

You know, I scum read Gyrlander yesterday and wanted to lynch him, but I think it was someone who swayed me to think he was null/slight town (my brain is fried since I've been doing work mostly nonstop for the last 12 hours, so I don't remember shit atm). I'll look at Gyrlander and reevaluate him when I'm done doing this work.

I'm not against you being scum btw, I'm just against you being Joker. I thought I made that clear in my last post. Also, Mesk has been hardcore lurking/avoiding giving evidenced reads on people pretty much the whole game. Pretty scum thing to do to not scum hunt. I get the feeling she's been following popular opinion, and sheeping votes does not sit well with me especially this late into the game. Gyrlander is at least exposing himself and voting people who he thinks are scum even if he is misguided most times. You're at least showing effort to scum hunt as well. SJ is also and while TBP isn't scum hunting, he is confirmed town. That leaves us with Mesk. Furthermore, Mesk's sheeping of votes seems to belong to the extremes. In the case of Unknown, she offered 0 input on the situation and hammered him before he'd be autolynched and especially before I was able to say something important to you, dougler. I hit enter to make the post and BAM thread closed. I also remember Mesk objecting to us Joker hunting at one point instead suggesting that we lynch mafia (I believe this was right after the 22 lynch).

This is not well formatted, but I'm kinda just brain dumping atm and I am exhausted. Those were some of the reasons sitting in my heads, but no quotes and shit until I finish this work (due in 3 hours).

[Fury]

I am sorry for not being active, I forgot I play this sometimes and March break ended a week ago so I don't have as much time as I did previously.
thedougler visited himself but unfortunately the joker is doing nothing, so we can't tell.

Ah, well that supports me saying dougler isn't joker. Even if he is mafia, we shouldn't lynch him today.

[Mesk514]

I am sorry for not being active, I forgot I play this sometimes and March break ended a week ago so I don't have as much time as I did previously.
thedougler visited himself but unfortunately the joker is doing nothing, so we can't tell.

the joker moved last night.

[Fury]

I see a big post by mesk and I do intend to read it and analyze it, but back to work for a while.

[Gyrlander]

Well, Mafia obv visited himself because It would be pointless yo track people and risk yourself. So that doesn't help and I still want dougler dead.

[Mesk514]

You know, I scum read Gyrlander yesterday and wanted to lynch him, but I think it was someone who swayed me to think he was null/slight town (my brain is fried since I've been doing work mostly nonstop for the last 12 hours, so I don't remember shit atm). I'll look at Gyrlander and reevaluate him when I'm done doing this work.

I'm not against you being scum btw, I'm just against you being Joker. I thought I made that clear in my last post. Also, Mesk has been hardcore lurking/avoiding giving evidenced reads on people pretty much the whole game. Pretty scum thing to do to not scum hunt. I get the feeling she's been following popular opinion, and sheeping votes does not sit well with me especially this late into the game. Gyrlander is at least exposing himself and voting people who he thinks are scum even if he is misguided most times. You're at least showing effort to scum hunt as well. SJ is also and while TBP isn't scum hunting, he is confirmed town. That leaves us with Mesk. Furthermore, Mesk's sheeping of votes seems to belong to the extremes. In the case of Unknown, she offered 0 input on the situation and hammered him before he'd be autolynched and especially before I was able to say something important to you, dougler. I hit enter to make the post and BAM thread closed. I also remember Mesk objecting to us Joker hunting at one point instead suggesting that we lynch mafia (I believe this was right after the 22 lynch).

This is not well formatted, but I'm kinda just brain dumping atm and I am exhausted. Those were some of the reasons sitting in my heads, but no quotes and shit until I finish this work (due in 3 hours).

DAMN, I MUST HAVE TUNNEL VISION THEN. SCRAP EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT THEDOUGLER AND REPLACE IT WITH FURY, AT LEAST THE DOUGLER IS ACTIVELY EXPLORING BASIC EXPLANATIONS. THIS TWO FACED SON OF A BITCH FRIENDED ME CAUSE OF MY TROLL POSTS AND NOW IS WILLING TO THROW ME UNDER THE BUS WITH FULL FORCE OVER THE DUMBEST THINGS.


How bout i just list all the things you've done and look at them with certainty that you are scum, cause you got those goggles on.

1) You didn't vote ccantman, I didnt either but I actually have a legit reason why i didnt. whats yours?
2) You agreed with me that vote count analysis was useless in regards the ccantman lynch and particularly now you're using it as the base of your argument
3) You didn't vote twenty two, and you didnt even attempt to derail the vote. Your troll vote came way before that.
4) You troll posted just as much as me and gave your two cents where you thought was needed, but never went into full on push for someone. This is what you are arguing makes me scum, you did it to.
5) YOU YOURSELF VOTED UNKNOWN, if you had anything pertinent to say it would not have had to be said 4 minutes before EoD

i honestly feel like I've had the least anti town play this whole game lol, GYRLANDER EVEN HAS LESS HYPOCRISY THEN THE MAJORITY OF YOU OMGOMGOMG

IM GONNA HAVE AN AUTISM ATTACK

you know what, fuck you, take this fan.

[thedougler]

So TBP confirms I'm not Joker, but as Gyrlander says I could still be maf. Forget about SJ and TBP right now. They're both all but confirmed town, and dead to us at EoD. A lynch on either one would just be buying us more time, but likely wouldn't hit scum. We need to ask ourselves who among Fury, Mesk, and Gyrlander and myself are possible scum.

I think Fury has been mostly rational and pro-town. He was able to explain why he visited Gyrlander n2, and visiting Gyrlander would go counter to what I think mafia would do (self-visit each night).

Mesk is pretty sketch and keeps bringing up her "block" with Fury. Well let me tell you your block doesn't mean a damn. If you act scummy, then I don't think Fury is going to hesitate one moment to lynch you. You bring up my flops as though inconsistency is a sign of guilt, yet stay silent on Gyrlander's frantic votes on everyone. You have hammered two people. You admit yourself that your attempts to scum hunt have been lackluster.

And then there's Gyrlander. From the way he has been acting I am sometimes surprised he was not replaced in for someone else. He seems to vascillate from one irrational accusation to another. Yet he also betrays an evidenced reading on some players, just as Fury says Mesk does.

I think Mesk and Gyrlander are the scum as of right now. I am in all likelihood voting Gyrlander at end of day.

[Mesk514]

I mention the block because the block was a topic of discussion. You dont ask to be part of a block with someone you scum read. You ask because you town read them. Regardless if you're being serious or not. So with that being said, Fury obviously town read me for quite a bit, even though he mentions here and there that he scum read me. But thats like his go to thing. he makes sure to say that other town members convinced him not too. Is he not capable of pushing his own ideas forward? if he really thought i was scum earlier on in the game then he would have pushed me harder.

Also, don't twist my words. I did not say I lacked scum hunting. I was stating that I did not voice my opinion when it did not matter. that is not the same as admitting to not scum hunting.

In regards to Gyrlander, his play is pretty consistent as fuck. Idk

Im also really curious about SJ

[thedougler]

I mention the block because the block was a topic of discussion. You dont ask to be part of a block with someone you scum read. You ask because you town read them. Regardless if you're being serious or not. So with that being said, Fury obviously town read me for quite a bit, even though he mentions here and there that he scum read me. But thats like his go to thing. he makes sure to say that other town members convinced him not too. Is he not capable of pushing his own ideas forward? if he really thought i was scum earlier on in the game then he would have pushed me harder.

Also, don't twist my words. I did not say I lacked scum hunting. I was stating that I did not voice my opinion when it did not matter. that is not the same as admitting to not scum hunting.

In regards to Gyrlander, his play is pretty consistent as fuck. Idk

Im also really curious about SJ

You call voting 4 people within the span of a single page consistent? I know you're not his teammate or anything, because there are no teams anymore. But please tell me why you give Gyrlander every benefit of the doubt.

[The Burning Phoenix]

@RLVG does the joker visit the person who he bombed if he bombed them?

[Fury]

Shit I see a lot of text atm. I'll be done with my work in an hour I imagine (on time YAY), but I'm dying of hunger atm. So, I'll probably get to posting/replying with quotes more in like 2 hours.
Also @Gyrlander , don't vote dougler. He's confirmed not joker, and it's joker who we need to kill today.
Trolling is fine lmao I will never scum read someone for trolling, but you didn't respond fully to my argument. Don't put words in my mouth and respond to those fake words. Anyways, gotta finish this shit and I'll respond better later.

Dougler, you say you scum read Gyrlander and Mesk, yet say you will likely be voting Gyrlander. Does this mean you believe Gyrlander to be joker more so than Mesk? If he's mafia in your eyes, then don't vote him. This isn't a great argument, but: Don't you think he'd be paying a little more attention if he was joker? He seems to have no idea what is going on. Maybe that's weak as fuck but the idea just came to me.

[Fury]

@The Burning Phoenix , who do you think is joker? Have you been following what I've been saying? I'd appreciate your input.

[thedougler]

Shit I see a lot of text atm. I'll be done with my work in an hour I imagine (on time YAY), but I'm dying of hunger atm. So, I'll probably get to posting/replying with quotes more in like 2 hours.
Also @Gyrlander , don't vote dougler. He's confirmed not joker, and it's joker who we need to kill today.
Trolling is fine lmao I will never scum read someone for trolling, but you didn't respond fully to my argument. Don't put words in my mouth and respond to those fake words. Anyways, gotta finish this shit and I'll respond better later.

Dougler, you say you scum read Gyrlander and Mesk, yet say you will likely be voting Gyrlander. Does this mean you believe Gyrlander to be joker more so than Mesk? If he's mafia in your eyes, then don't vote him. This isn't a great argument, but: Don't you think he'd be paying a little more attention if he was joker? He seems to have no idea what is going on. Maybe that's weak as fuck but the idea just came to me.

I don't really read either one as maf or Joker. This will sound like a cop out, but my leads are limited to "town" and "not town" right now. I just read Gyrlander as more "not town" than I do Mesk. I wanted to vote Gyrlander yesterdat, but got sidelined when Unknown started tunneling SuperJack. I won't make the same mistake again. Gyrlander gets my vote and that's that.

[The Burning Phoenix]

@The Burning Phoenix , who do you think is joker? Have you been following what I've been saying? I'd appreciate your input.

I think it's grylander.
unknown did say his attitude suddenly changed and he's a townie so we should get grylander.

[The Burning Phoenix]

-vote grylander

[thedougler]

Well we've heard from TBP. That's most of what I needed to hear before I vote for Gyrlander. But because our vote will condemn @SuperJack as well, I want to hear his thoughts on anything before I vote. We have plenty of time still and this will be his last chance to speak, so I want him to use it.

[SuperJack]

-vote grylander

It's spelt Gyrlander

[SuperJack]

Well we've heard from TBP. That's most of what I needed to hear before I vote for Gyrlander. But because our vote will condemn @SuperJack as well, I want to hear his thoughts on anything before I vote. We have plenty of time still and this will be his last chance to speak, so I want him to use it.

Unknown called Gyrlander Null. As opposed to his town play read of me 0-o
I'm for lynching Gyrlander.

And if Gyrlander is not Joker and we die via joker Bomb.



Citizen, go get yourself lynched and let no one win!

[thedougler]

Unknown called Gyrlander Null. As opposed to his town play read of me 0-o
I'm for lynching Gyrlander.

And if Gyrlander is not Joker and we die via joker Bomb.



Citizen, go get yourself lynched and let no one win!

Well, this is it old chap. You are a patriot and your sacrifice will not be forgotten.

I'm going all in.

-vote Gyrlander

[Fury]

I urge you guys to hold off on your votes until after I've made a long post on mesk. I still think it's mesk and unknown pushed me off of her. If mesk is joker and I let you guys change my mind, I will be so fucking pissed at myself. I read Gyrlander as mafia and Mesk as Joker. I just finished my work. I'm going to grab food, but don't make it L-1. @thedougler , unvote immediately.

[thedougler]

-unvote

I don't like all this waiting around.

[Fury]

Not to toot my own horn, but my scum reads are usually pretty solid. Considering I figured out TBP was a town power day 1 just from his speaking patterns, I think you guys should hear me out.

[Fury]

-unvote

I don't like all this waiting around.

Well too bad, because I'm going to save all you mother fuckers from throwing this game.

[Fury]

I will carry this town across the fucking finish line with you guys kicking and screaming if I have to.

[Fury]

I said with "you guys" kicking and screaming. I meant "you mother fuckers." Can I get a mod to edit that in?

[The Burning Phoenix]

It's spelt Gyrlander

-vote Gyrlander

Thanks for pointing it out.

[The Burning Phoenix]

I urge you guys to hold off on your votes until after I've made a long post on mesk. I still think it's mesk and unknown pushed me off of her. If mesk is joker and I let you guys change my mind, I will be so fucking pissed at myself. I read Gyrlander as mafia and Mesk as Joker. I just finished my work. I'm going to grab food, but don't make it L-1. @thedougler , unvote immediately.

If Gyrlander is mafia it's still a good lynch, I don't mind dying if mafia dies.

[Fury]

If Gyrlander is mafia it's still a good lynch, I don't mind dying if mafia dies.

I think that is incredibly myopic and you yolo voting makes me really fear for our chances to win the game.
@The Burning Phoenix , take off your vote and wait for me to present my thoughts.

[Fury]

I just got home with food, so I can begin to explain my thoughts. In the meantime, try to understand my posts that I've already said. I'm kinda losing my mind dealing with you guys.

[Fury]

this sub is so good holy fuck

[Fury]

and @SuperJack , you should know better than to leave a vote to L-1 between the 2 candidates for scum in the game

[Fury]

I'm actually so tired atm. I don't think I can do it tonight. Sorry guys... I'll start it, but jeez I'm exhausted.

[thedougler]

I'm actually so tired atm. I don't think I can do it tonight. Sorry guys... I'll start it, but jeez I'm exhausted.

Well, imma vote Gyrlander then. I'm kinda tired but I hope to see what his flip will be before I sleep.

-vote Gyrlander

[Mesk514]

well would you look at that, now you want a quick hammer...

im not gonna hammer cause one of you asshats is gonna use the "she hammered 3 days in a row" as an argument

[Mesk514]

no, im not gonna hammer cause i think we should counter the joker

[Mesk514]

but then again, im getting really annoyed with this game and no scum hammers 3 days in a row sooo

-vote Gyrlander

[The Godfather]

Gyrlander has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


thedougler (1 [L-3]): Gyrlander
Gyrlander (4 [L-0]): SuperJack, The Burning Phoenix, thedougler, Mesk514
Mesk514 (1 [L-3]): Fury

[RLVG]

Night 4



Gyrlander watched too much anime, so the town has agreed to lynch Gyrlander.
Gyrlander was a Citizen. Fuck the town in particular for lynching so many Citizen.

SuperJack and The Burning Phoenix BOUNTY still exists, holy shit.

Also the host is a dick for actually waiting the timer out, almost. A few hours early just so people get the memo.


Players :
- Mesk514
- Fury
- SuperJack
- The Burning Phoenix
- thedougler

Dead Players :
- ccantman Lynched Day 1 (Jester)
- Stealthbomber16 Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- Alijach Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- ika Killed Night 1 (Lookout)
- TwentyTwo Lynched Day 2 (Citizen)
- Voss Killed by Host Day 3 (Detective)
- Unknown1234 Lynched Day 3 (Citizen)
- GyrlanderLynched Day 4 (Citizen)

Day End :
26nd Marx 201X 20:00 CET.

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[RLVG]

Day 5



The world was ravaged by trolly hatred and the side-missions of this game has led to the death of SuperJack and The Burning Phoenix.
The Phoenix was a Detective and SuperJack was a normal Citizen.

All that remains in the game is the Joker and one of Agent and Citizen.
GG.

The Joker has to be in a 1v1 to win.
The Agent must lynch the Joker, they'll lose if they lynch the Citizen.
The Town can only win if both the Joker and the Agent is dead.
(This means only scum can win)

Because of this, I'll start the day early.
For extra pressure, I'll give every dead player the deadchat.

Note : Each day is a forced lynch day.






Players :
- Mesk514
- Fury
- thedougler

Dead Players :
- ccantman Lynched Day 1 (Jester)
- Stealthbomber16 Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- Alijach Killed Night 1 (Agent)
- ika Killed Night 1 (Lookout)
- TwentyTwo Lynched Day 2 (Citizen)
- Voss Killed by Host Day 3 (Detective)
- Unknown1234 Lynched Day 3 (Citizen)
- GyrlanderLynched Day 4 (Citizen)
- SuperJack Killed Night 5 (Citizen)
- The Burning Phoenix Killed Night 5 (Detective)

Day End :

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

2 votes to hammer.