S-FM The Cold War III

[DJarJar]

It's strategy time!

Welcome in today's communist news feed! Breaking news, some capitalist scums invaded our country to make it fall!
And you know why the communist flag is red? BECAUSE WE TAINT IT WITH CAPITALIST BLOOD!

Spoiler : Don't click it. Seriously. :

CAPITALIST SCUM TEAM

Really classical mafia team : A godfather, a consigliere and a consort. Heat actions do not seem overpowered at all (they'll basically use it to kill a revealed Trostky or Putin, which is the way to go.) They're tailored to fight Castro but in this game he's not present so they are a bit on the weaker side I'd say? Since the role that gets sent out cannot do his night action, the mafia has several ways to play this one in my eyes :
1. Utilize JFK HEAT right away to have 2 kills night two. Seems like the strongest plan, but it also means that either consig or godfather will have to attack. If the consig have to attack, he will not be able to gather info, and if the godfather attack he will not be able to HEAT to recruit rumox. The strongest plan here would then be JFK HEAT, Truman HEAT, Nixon kill. This leave the mafia team without consig info but also allows a sure kill on rumox without it being revealed, while also having the possibility to have 2 kills the night after, but without the HEAT roleblock from Truman.
2. Utilize JFK HEAT right away to gain two kills night two, but also send the consigliere to gather info to make a better decision on night two. It will then send the godfather to kill, and they would use their HEAT the second night to allow for 2 unblockable kills for their faction. In this situation, rumox won't be converted at day 2.
3. Don't utilize JFK HEAT right away and send him to kill. This is what I expect a bad mafia team would do, as it leaves the godfather doing nothing (or HEAT?) without having 2 kills the night after.

With JFK HEAT and a bit of luck for the mafia, the town is at LyLo at day 3 (2 town death n1, 3 town death n2 making it 3mafia vs 3 town vs 1 sk). I'm not even sure it's considered LyLo as it's extremely brutal.

I've pointed out that the mafia would hit rumox with a HEAT action to assure the convert to them, but they would obviously prefer killing Trostky or Lenin, or a Goulag Officier (which we don't know if we have): because getting rid of these roles asap is better than to make town lose a lynch on him. But if myself was from the mafia, I would advocate doing plan #2 because I don't think Rumox claim is legit. If it is, it's all in the interest of mafia to learn of the truth and not waste a lynch on a citizen.
We're at day 1, so group agenda for the mafia isn't already established, but I can clearly see individual agenda to find TPR in sneaky ways being done the first day. As we're going to put pressure to find evils, they would utilize this pressure to gain info by day.
It is also worth noting out that consort will NOT claim escort due to the low possibility of that occurring and risks of being counterclaimed. We should lynch every escort claim by day 3. Instead, I think the consort would claim roleblocked on himself to be put by people as town; or at least not-scum. < Look into that people.

But if I read the setup correctly, we are not defenseless against their line of play : Trotsky can use his role to see every mafia action. I assume this is not seeing the targets too because that would be grossly overpowered, but it will allow town to know what was going on by night 1. I suggest against Trotsky to claim what he has seen however, as he would eat a HEAT bullet the night after. And we surely need this powerful role.

THE PROLETARIAT TOWN TEAM

Our defined roles are extremely powerful, be it Trotsky or Lenin. They would definitely hide behind a citizen claim or avoid claiming altogether to avoid being outed. As such, we should take caution about using the FoS on everyone as, at some point we will out one of them. And we don't want to do that by day 1.
Trotsky would surely use his night action to see mafia's ones to know when the HEAT has been used, and NOT use the gun carelessly as if he shoot even 1 town, it's lost for everyone.
Lenin would use his heat the second day, after gathering a list of good reads, because passing down his healing power to town is IMPORTANT for us if we want to be able to withstand 2 attacks per night. However, I would understand him using his heat the first day, as if he dies N1 his power would be wasted either way. But this is also very dangerous as I believe Lenin night chat is NOT anonymous so if Lenin choose a mafia right away he'll be able to tell his team and we would lose our doc first night, a thing we should avoid at all costs. I don't think the other TPR roles are relevant because proper use of these 2 will make the game for town without anyone else doing much but scumhunting. The strategy for town would be really role-based; and not worth to out every potential thinking here as it would hurt some komrad in an impactful way. Standard FM playing will be sufficient to win easily.
Talking about scumhunting, SCUMHUNTING WILL BE ESSENTIAL FOR TOWN TO NOT LOSE : We're going at mylo day 3 without us doing anything wrong (let's say skipping day 1 and lynching JFK day 2). So every town not scumhunting will fall into the scumdetector and be questioned, tortured and whipped. Passive playing as town, even if you're Trotsky is discouraged because it'll just make us loose.


MY CURRENT VIEW ON THE STATE OF THE GAME

We're good, nobody has died yet, Distorted is not here so he will not be the #1 voted for the majority of the first day and his alt seems extremely towny. The game progress in a way I'm happy with, and the FoS is being dropped around without heavy tunneling. Some actions were scummy, some players were scummy, but that's basically what mid-day 1 reads stops.

Magoroth and Blinkskater are scumhunting and does so while exchanging ideas and opinions, which is a sign of good town players early in the game. They fall into the town read category.
Unknown feels towny too, easy going and helpful but not doing much except being pleasant to be with. Potential scum hiding here tho.
Interaction between MM and me feels intriguing (he's basically assuring a lynch on me if he flips maf because of our interactions) and his going out on a newb is hazardous at best but I don't feel like he's important this game. Not talking about meta, he seems a little bit too much on the spotlight and defended himself very hard, while I feel he would be dismissive if he was real scum as to not escalate this further. He's a null read with a huge potential town lean for me.
naz is a null read at the moment, but she seems to agree on my view of rumox, interactions will reveal a lot on this spot.
aamirus spot, slight scummy read because he seems to claim he's found a caught mafia in MM; which feels like a forced mislynch at this point.>
rumox feels scummy to be by a good margin, not only because he claimed sleeper agent (a powerful role I said multiple time SHOULD REMAIN HIDDEN) that can turn on us, but because his interactions feels like he's trying to sway town opinion to his own, which is not helpful at this state of the game. Also he tried to turn a vote brigade against MM to avoid his own?

I warned you.

When I read this initially I thought it sounded like you were basically telling your mafia teammates exactly what the best night strategy was and what they should be prepared to do tonight. The discussion and focus on the "BEST" mafia night strategy and the underlining of "We're at day 1, so group agenda for the mafia isn't already established" and then the quote" but I can clearly see individual agenda to find TPR in sneaky ways being done the first day."

I took the underlined part as you telling your teammates "guys here is our strategy".

I took the quoted part after it as you noticing your teammates were already probing for the town power roles (and somebody who is mafia would have a better ability to notice when mafia are searching for TPRs... since he knows who the mafia are)


Then you said "We should lynch every escort claim by day 3", aka "Hey consort, don't tell town you're an escort".

And after all the discussion on what the mafia should do, your town strat is basically "Lenin and Trotsky you should both do nothing, scumhunting is all we need to do".


It reads to me like a mafia team playbook.

[Ganelon]

I have a theory that scum are trying to push two mislynches here. Meaning that both naz and Unknown are town.

[Unknown1234]

bookmarking this, potential scumslip

That’s not a scum slip because I’m not scum. I’m saying that he scum-reads me for rolling town in a game simply because I have the possibility of being scum, not based on my actual gameplay.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

i don't really pay attention at the start of the game and i knew castro was not in the game

How many times will I have to say it wasn't in the opening post. @Distorted can you confirm that it was not there, but only in the signups thread? Once he'll do, I'd ask you to stop annoying me with it lol, it's unproductive.

[Unknown1234]

I have a theory that scum are trying to push two mislynches here. Meaning that both naz and Unknown are town.

But there’s only two people on my train, and one of them is Naz. If you are saying blinkskater is scum, then I’m really confused as to where your reads have gone.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You don't really have formed independent opinions however, looking forward to see you post more

Me too @aamirus or my vote goes back on you

[Marshmallow Marshall]

all are scumish reads for me, does that mean MM IS ACTUALLY SK?
also well done naz i agree with you wholeheartedly here and would probally go two weeks without sex if u flipped scum

DOES THAT MEAN THAT I'M TOWN? DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU COULD BE SK VERY WELL? YES, ACTUALLY!

[Unknown1234]

@Fielzanks @blinkskater why do you Town-read Naz at this point? Two people claiming Naz to be Town without explanation along with Naz’s scummy play does not add up to me.

[Fielzanks]

When I read this initially I thought it sounded like you were basically telling your mafia teammates exactly what the best night strategy was and what they should be prepared to do tonight. The discussion and focus on the "BEST" mafia night strategy and the underlining of "We're at day 1, so group agenda for the mafia isn't already established" and then the quote" but I can clearly see individual agenda to find TPR in sneaky ways being done the first day."

I took the underlined part as you telling your teammates "guys here is our strategy".

I took the quoted part after it as you noticing your teammates were already probing for the town power roles (and somebody who is mafia would have a better ability to notice when mafia are searching for TPRs... since he knows who the mafia are)


Then you said "We should lynch every escort claim by day 3", aka "Hey consort, don't tell town you're an escort".

And after all the discussion on what the mafia should do, your town strat is basically "Lenin and Trotsky you should both do nothing, scumhunting is all we need to do".


It reads to me like a mafia team playbook.

My strategy posts out potential mafia strategies as to prepare town for them. I've said that Lenin and Trotsky should be able to carry alone, but that doesnt mean that the other 2 TPR are unneded. They'll help town carry out the lynches. But knowing what mafia may or may not do coming into day 2 avoid a LOT of confusion and make players (including me) to be able to asses the situation better.

[blinkskater]

DOES THAT MEAN THAT I'M TOWN? DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU COULD BE SK VERY WELL? YES, ACTUALLY!

I was SK last game you really think i rolled it twice in the same save?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

you and I have different meanings of "good play"

You have different meaning of that for nearly everyone, sir.

[blinkskater]

@Fielzanks @blinkskater why do you Town-read Naz at this point? Two people claiming Naz to be Town without explanation along with Naz’s scummy play does not add up to me.

NAz is not playing scummy she's playing towny.......... hence my town read .......................

[Unknown1234]

NAz is not playing scummy she's playing towny.......... hence my town read .......................

How is her play indicative of town at all?

[Fielzanks]

I was SK last game you really think i rolled it twice in the same save?

Marshallow Marshall is scumreading you, meaning you're probably town. It warm my heart

[Ganelon]

I don't understand why you guys view what I did as a scummish thing while naz's counter pressure is townish. I think backing down from your own mistakes (IF THEY EXIST is a better idea than to just press the issue into oblivion

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Again I wasn't saying u and mag were "sheepish" or whatever. I was literally agreeing with you that you were the most consistently just probing everyone equally rather than attacking certain people.

I disagree with you about the citizen claims. There is no reason for a citizen to claim citizen D1 so I think that both of them were lying, though why they would be is a different story. Sure they could be a town power trying to avoid getting hit but I feel like WIFOM would make the cit claims the most obvious choice to hit for the evils. That's why I think they are both not town, because if they were town they would be inviting themselves to get hit.

David didn't do much. Yea he had done about as much as me up to this point but I was asleep and he was here all day. So, I think the comment stands.

Naz/rumox seem to have genuine beef over something that happened in a previous game. So, I was saying that maybe they are in a pissing war because they dislike each other and it has nothing to do with their roles.
Naz certainly seemed to genuinely be throwing a tantrum there. (Sorry Naz).

I did do separate reads of each person separate from the teams, but felt like the "buddying up" of certain people for the first 30 pages was worth noting.

After all, 2 people haven't even spoken so we're missing that aspect of the game too. And yea, in recent pages u and blink seemed less together but that was the notion I got when binge reading the whole thread.

-vote aamirus

Being a target as citizen by claiming citizen is a good enough reason to do it.

David IS scummy.

[Ganelon]

-vote naz

[blinkskater]

How is her play indicative of town at all?

she's throwing herself in the spotlight scum doesnt do that, shes playing based off emotions, scum doesnt do that you and i know they are a lot more calculated, shes scumhunting, she's made an ISO, scum don't genereally make ISO's day 1, her town meta is also spot on atm, need i say more?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I was SK last game you really think i rolled it twice in the same save?

Talking about meta, last time you said "I was Arson, I can't be the neutral again!", you were. Sooooooo...........

[Fielzanks]

@Fielzanks @blinkskater why do you Town-read Naz at this point? Two people claiming Naz to be Town without explanation along with Naz’s scummy play does not add up to me.

I already explained it in my list of reads.

[Ganelon]

Part of me thinks we should rather Lynch blinkskater than naz

[blinkskater]

I don't understand why you guys view what I did as a scummish thing while naz's counter pressure is townish. I think backing down from your own mistakes (IF THEY EXIST is a better idea than to just press the issue into oblivion

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Talking about meta, last time you said "I was Arson, I can't be the neutral again!", you were. Sooooooo...........

the scum* lol

[Ganelon]

she's throwing herself in the spotlight scum doesnt do that, shes playing based off emotions, scum doesnt do that you and i know they are a lot more calculated, shes scumhunting, she's made an ISO, scum don't genereally make ISO's day 1, her town meta is also spot on atm, need i say more?

This is laughably inaccurate.

[blinkskater]

Talking about meta, last time you said "I was Arson, I can't be the neutral again!", you were. Sooooooo...........

lol touche m8

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Part of me thinks we should rather Lynch blinkskater than naz

I'm in for a blink lynch. Not a naz lynch.

-vote blinkskater

CHOO CHOO LET'S GET PRESSURE ROLLING!

[Ganelon]

-vote blinkskater

I actually want to Lynch you right now, not naz, I think you're trying to buddy naz and ride out the storm and mislynch her tomorrow

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This is laughably inaccurate.

Gotta admit Mag is right...

[blinkskater]

This is laughably inaccurate.

Well done Magorotoh you found the true scum "blinkskater" you've done it again my good boy!

[blinkskater]

-vote blinkskater

choo choo let's go you bunch of idiots!

[DJarJar]

Me too @aamirus or my vote goes back on you

Hmmm, if you don't think I have given my opinion you can filter by my posts. I am not one to spam the same thing 20 times and force people to read an extra 10 pages of nonsense.

I also don't see the point of an endless WIFOM cycle on D1 where we keep calling everyone evil back and forth. I stated my read and it hasn't changed. Nothing new has been brought up for a long time now other than the possibility that Unknown is evil because he's too good.

I asked several questions that distorted hasn't replied to yet.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Sorry, the spoiler tags were showing for some reason and I forgot to put rumox in initially, here is the way it looked originally

my -cvote (am I doing this right?)

[SPOILER]MM, Blink, Naz, Fielz, David, Lenneth, Mag, Unknown[/SPOILER]


and then the other 2 guys who haven't spoken yet

Yeah, you gotta type [spoiler=blah blah blah]stuff[/spoiler] though. Why is naz and fielz in your susp? You already said I was sooo scummy, but I don't get how you got to that conclusion.

[Ganelon]

Well done Magorotoh you found the true scum "blinkskater" you've done it again my good boy!

You're a shit player IMO, only reason you ever accomplished anything was because either distorted helped your or because, if Distorted didn't help you, you lynched him

[blinkskater]

come on I'm so scummy push this lynch on me more and more let's go you guys got it!

[blinkskater]

You're a shit player IMO, only reason you ever accomplished anything was because either distorted helped your or because, if Distorted didn't help you, you lynched him

lmao coming from you this means nothing my boy, ask your IDOL his opinion on this matter

[Unknown1234]

Blink is the worse lynch of the two. I don’t find blink scummy enough to lynch him.

[DJarJar]

-vote aamirus

Being a target as citizen by claiming citizen is a good enough reason to do it.

David IS scummy.

How the hell is a known citizen a target? The mafia know who their teammates are and they want to kill NON citizens.

[Unknown1234]

Can we actually stop the salt for one second? Like holy shit everyone i know I’m not perfect but trash talking everyone does literally nothing.

[Unknown1234]

she's throwing herself in the spotlight scum doesnt do that, shes playing based off emotions, scum doesnt do that you and i know they are a lot more calculated, shes scumhunting, she's made an ISO, scum don't genereally make ISO's day 1, her town meta is also spot on atm, need i say more?

You’re joking right? You seriously think every scum player at this site is calculated? As for her ISO, read my post that I just wrote about how it didn’t even reach a flat out conclusion.

[Unknown1234]

blinkskater is making bullshit reasoning to save Naz’s ass from being lynched.

[Fielzanks]

Can we actually stop the salt for one second? Like holy shit everyone i know I’m not perfect but trash talking everyone does literally nothing.

It's making me laugh so I'd say it has some utility.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

When I read this initially I thought it sounded like you were basically telling your mafia teammates exactly what the best night strategy was and what they should be prepared to do tonight. The discussion and focus on the "BEST" mafia night strategy and the underlining of "We're at day 1, so group agenda for the mafia isn't already established" and then the quote" but I can clearly see individual agenda to find TPR in sneaky ways being done the first day."

I took the underlined part as you telling your teammates "guys here is our strategy".

I took the quoted part after it as you noticing your teammates were already probing for the town power roles (and somebody who is mafia would have a better ability to notice when mafia are searching for TPRs... since he knows who the mafia are)


Then you said "We should lynch every escort claim by day 3", aka "Hey consort, don't tell town you're an escort".

And after all the discussion on what the mafia should do, your town strat is basically "Lenin and Trotsky you should both do nothing, scumhunting is all we need to do".


It reads to me like a mafia team playbook.

More like a "Don't stop scumhunting because we got strong TPRs (Town Power Roles)". I 100% refuse to lynch Fielzanks, if it's where you're going. Feel free to scream that I'm scum with him.

[Unknown1234]

How the hell is a known citizen a target? The mafia know who their teammates are and they want to kill NON citizens.

This is true, and something that made me scum-read you more is how you said both claims were fake. Why?

[Ganelon]

In this case I'm all for a naz Lynch.

-vote naz

[Fielzanks]

How the hell is a known citizen a target? The mafia know who their teammates are and they want to kill NON citizens.

By using the same trail of thought as you. 'Hey, they claimed citizen, why would citizen do that? They should be TPR!'

???

Was that hard, lol?

[blinkskater]

blinkskater is making bullshit reasoning to save Naz’s ass from being lynched.

you don't have to agree with me m8, it's how i feel and i don't think i am alone in feeling that way

[Marshmallow Marshall]

NAz is not playing scummy she's playing towny.......... hence my town read .......................

She's scummy but very very probably town but her play is still strange for a townie.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

blinkskater is making bullshit reasoning to save Naz’s ass from being lynched.

Naz's lynch is the only one that really got resistance though. It makes her scummy. But I still townread her.

[Ganelon]

She's scummy but very very probably town but her play is still strange for a townie.

How the fuck could you possibly know that?

[blinkskater]

How the fuck could you possibly know that?

because he has a slightly larger brain then you do