S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[Voss]

POD can just be the least caring townie in the world.
HE never cares.
That's his meta.
He is toxic.

K?

Get on unknown unless you cna give a reason not to and why our reasoning is bad?
Good?
K.

then it'll send a message to future games that play with PoD. His lynch serves that purpose. I'm taking this game as a mostly anon game because I don't know anybody.

[Logically Insane]

Point is seen, but its not super solid. Do you have actual scummy behavior on them?

IMO POD is playing like FBI

IF we kill either scum faction the other loses.

So we are going with the almost guaranteed scum compared to this guy is playing his meta and its terrible scum.+

[powerofdeath]

[QUOTE=Voss;608816]

[SPOILER=Unknown ISO/Pressure]

HOLY SHIT. I WAS POSTING FROM MY PHONE. PLEASE. tell me which you'd rather prefer. me not posting at all, or periodically trying to say something.


And this is the best 'recent' post of Unknown.



WRONG. I said I haven't ever pressured people. Not that I don't pressure people because I think its a bad idea. I've already addressed this back to you, and no one ELSE has chosen to pick up on that. You're twisting what I said to try to get false negative attention on me. Negative attention is fine, even false negative attention is fine. That can be used for reaction under pressure. But repeatedly saying a twisted version of what I said to try to paint me as scum has NO TOWN MOTIVATION.



Where's the opportunity for me to tell my opinion if "im lurking." You really can't call someone a lurker and also say I'm not town for not giving an opinion, if I'm saying I don't HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I'm also not avoiding. My other quotes have me needlessly inserting myself into discussions that were over because it seems they've forgotten when I actually said something about it. (Like who's against shifty, something about LI).

Also, there are pretty few scum in this game to begin with. If you'd like me to name my top 3 scum, I can. But when I do you're going to say I have no backup to this and dismiss it. Which is why I'm doing this now.



here you go @powerofdeath

this look uncompleted? I think you are missing some quotes or something.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

No he is being a douche, and he is anti town.
Theres a difference.

He isn't playing, and normally I would 100% be down for this policy on his ass.
Except we have a scum read on G4, we are lynching them.

Can you substantiate the read?

[Voss]

No he is being a douche, and he is anti town.
Theres a difference.

He isn't playing, and normally I would 100% be down for this policy on his ass.
Except we have a scum read on G4, we are lynching them.

wtf, we do not. its by association with Unknown. I really don't get this jump you're making, and why g4'd be better to lynch.

[Logically Insane]

Can you substantiate the read?

Can you tell us why Unknown is not getting your vote, first?

[Logically Insane]

Can you substantiate the read?

WAll post inc

Spoiler : Logically Insane;608681 :

PTB here:

I have been behind the scenes more this game. I've posted earlier, asked for reads and such to feel how everyone has interacted. My other personalities have kept me up to date.


This is what I've noticed and I will be pressing for a D1 lynch.

TOWN for sure.

BCD - Frustration and apathy emotions from Duck's posts is too town for me.
Duck - Clearly the final claim is needed to be confirmed, but a scum wouldn't make a claim that has to be confirmed. Even if they were trying to figure out the real GF/Consig, this would effectively lose them the game if they are successfully counter claimed, it would also wouldn't be counter claimed by scum because when they flipped, the counter claims would be lynched. To me this claim has to be legit.
Mesk Archon- is also confirmed by ducks claim.
Voss- actively trying to figure things out, and is preparing a long scum hunt post. Voss has seemed to town to me every interaction.

POD- is in the middle of mafia/town and FBI b/c he seems very flagrant with his posts and seemingly IDGAF attitude. Could be FBI knowing who is going to convert so fuck it.

Possible FBI:

AIVION/Quick archon
Sino
Fatalis.
Shifty

The AIVION team has been very suspect/trolly throughout the game, and it's possible they're FBI. Shifty and Sino have also been questionable. There is no where for me to put these three, and FB isn't around for me to get his take.


Definite scummates:

Unknown
G4slight.

So, you're asking yourself why these two? They have 0 interactions with each other. Now before you go, "but they've had no interactions!." And "Unknown has defended people in this game, who you've read as town." And the next thing counter to my argument. "But he ALWAYS defends people."

Unknown in the beginner's game spent all of his time defending anyone that was suspect to the town scum hunting, often times flipping the hunters logic back onto them, like a mirror. Also, he picked out small aspects or flaws in their arguments and tunneled that to keep them off balance. He's also focused on the person focusing on the person he's defending. While the person he defends looks scummier and he looks pro town, the accuser then looks scummy or is discredited as an idiot because of a mislynch. He then uses this tactic to carry himself into the final lynch. He will bus his own teammate to appear even more town. Now ask yourself, what has Unknown done this entire game, what were his reads? Did he make hard reads? Did he have no interaction with any one player?

HE DID. He did not interact with G4slight all game. This is telling because last time Unknown used this Meta, he did not vote the first day. The second day he jumped onto the town bandwagon only after the only remaining TPR claimed who he wanted to lynch. Unknown continued to have no to very little interaction with his scummate until the second to final day when he bussed him, then used that bus to force the lynch of an inactive player who essentially gave up.

Out of 100 plus pages Unknown has had little to no interaction with only 1 player. Also given, the fact that he soft claimed his reads, almost 40 pages into the game. He gave his scummate a null rating. He also didn't press me when I basically copied Sino's read, WHICH, I said Duck was town and our vote has been on DUCK the entire time/DUCK was scum to us at that time. Unknown failed that reaction test.

Before you say "well he wouldn't use that meta here again." Unknown has played 2 or 3 games since there, he's had an opportunity to refine this scum play..and given how badly I botched the last time, he could easy get me written off had I chose to focus him earlier. Hanging back, I allowed him to get comfortable and out himself by repeating this play. Sino noted this earlier as well somewhat.

G4 will or has come back (depending on what happens between me posting this, since we're doing 20 pages a min now.) and either try to bandwagon as he did earlier, or will hammer a vote. Unknown will not mislynch and use this information to then later bus G4 later if needed, all but confirming him.

Duck's claim kind've throws a wrench into this plan.

If for nothing else, but to confirm this or to gain more information. I suggest that we vote Unknown today.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Can you tell us why Unknown is not getting your vote, first?

Tone.

[Voss]

@powerofdeath

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post608743

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...751#post608751

[Logically Insane]

@powerofdeath

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post608743

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...751#post608751

I think you mean @rurururururu

[Logically Insane]

POD moved his vote over to unknown

[Logically Insane]

@SexyDucK HOP ON THIS TRAIN THERE IS A WALL POST ABOVE FOR REASONING

[Voss]

Okay, i acknowledge the connection between g4 and unknown, but i still want unknown first.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

WAll post inc

Spoiler : Logically Insane;608681 :

PTB here:

I have been behind the scenes more this game. I've posted earlier, asked for reads and such to feel how everyone has interacted. My other personalities have kept me up to date.


This is what I've noticed and I will be pressing for a D1 lynch.

TOWN for sure.

BCD - Frustration and apathy emotions from Duck's posts is too town for me.
Duck - Clearly the final claim is needed to be confirmed, but a scum wouldn't make a claim that has to be confirmed. Even if they were trying to figure out the real GF/Consig, this would effectively lose them the game if they are successfully counter claimed, it would also wouldn't be counter claimed by scum because when they flipped, the counter claims would be lynched. To me this claim has to be legit.
Mesk Archon- is also confirmed by ducks claim.
Voss- actively trying to figure things out, and is preparing a long scum hunt post. Voss has seemed to town to me every interaction.

POD- is in the middle of mafia/town and FBI b/c he seems very flagrant with his posts and seemingly IDGAF attitude. Could be FBI knowing who is going to convert so fuck it.

Possible FBI:

AIVION/Quick archon
Sino
Fatalis.
Shifty

The AIVION team has been very suspect/trolly throughout the game, and it's possible they're FBI. Shifty and Sino have also been questionable. There is no where for me to put these three, and FB isn't around for me to get his take.


Definite scummates:

Unknown
G4slight.

So, you're asking yourself why these two? They have 0 interactions with each other. Now before you go, "but they've had no interactions!." And "Unknown has defended people in this game, who you've read as town." And the next thing counter to my argument. "But he ALWAYS defends people."

Unknown in the beginner's game spent all of his time defending anyone that was suspect to the town scum hunting, often times flipping the hunters logic back onto them, like a mirror. Also, he picked out small aspects or flaws in their arguments and tunneled that to keep them off balance. He's also focused on the person focusing on the person he's defending. While the person he defends looks scummier and he looks pro town, the accuser then looks scummy or is discredited as an idiot because of a mislynch. He then uses this tactic to carry himself into the final lynch. He will bus his own teammate to appear even more town. Now ask yourself, what has Unknown done this entire game, what were his reads? Did he make hard reads? Did he have no interaction with any one player?

HE DID. He did not interact with G4slight all game. This is telling because last time Unknown used this Meta, he did not vote the first day. The second day he jumped onto the town bandwagon only after the only remaining TPR claimed who he wanted to lynch. Unknown continued to have no to very little interaction with his scummate until the second to final day when he bussed him, then used that bus to force the lynch of an inactive player who essentially gave up.

Out of 100 plus pages Unknown has had little to no interaction with only 1 player. Also given, the fact that he soft claimed his reads, almost 40 pages into the game. He gave his scummate a null rating. He also didn't press me when I basically copied Sino's read, WHICH, I said Duck was town and our vote has been on DUCK the entire time/DUCK was scum to us at that time. Unknown failed that reaction test.

Before you say "well he wouldn't use that meta here again." Unknown has played 2 or 3 games since there, he's had an opportunity to refine this scum play..and given how badly I botched the last time, he could easy get me written off had I chose to focus him earlier. Hanging back, I allowed him to get comfortable and out himself by repeating this play. Sino noted this earlier as well somewhat.

G4 will or has come back (depending on what happens between me posting this, since we're doing 20 pages a min now.) and either try to bandwagon as he did earlier, or will hammer a vote. Unknown will not mislynch and use this information to then later bus G4 later if needed, all but confirming him.

Duck's claim kind've throws a wrench into this plan.

If for nothing else, but to confirm this or to gain more information. I suggest that we vote Unknown today.

Ooohhh this looks ugly fmpov. I am second guessing my very strong town read on you.

[Logically Insane]

Unknown Also Said "You failed,ptb" To that reasoning.

He didnt' even bother coutnering it.
He made the mistake and now can't coutner it.

[Logically Insane]

Oh Godfather. Can you whip these idiots into shape please.

[Logically Insane]

Ooohhh this looks ugly fmpov. I am second guessing my very strong town read on you.

We are not lynching POD. You are advocating a no lynch by pushing it. WE ARE NOT POLICY LYNCHING.

WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAY THIS ALREADY.

SO GET ON A BIG TRAIN (perferablly unknown )

[powerofdeath]

We are not lynching POD. You are advocating a no lynch by pushing it. WE ARE NOT POLICY LYNCHING.

WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAY THIS ALREADY.

SO GET ON A BIG TRAIN (perferablly unknown )

youre so mean why the hell are you defending me?

do you townread me or something

ya thats right im questioning u again

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Unknown Also Said "You failed,ptb" To that reasoning.

He didnt' even bother coutnering it.
He made the mistake and now can't coutner it.

Does not mean he is scum.

[Logically Insane]

IF YOU CARE TO COUNTER THAT REASONING DO IT. BUT IF YOU AREN'T COUNTERING IT AND NOT VOTING WITH IT THAT MEANS YOU ARE PRO-SCUM.

K rage ended.

[Logically Insane]

Does not mean he is scum.

Scum making a mistake by not talking with scum buddy is not scummy?

what.

[Logically Insane]

Scum making a mistake by not talking with scum buddy is not scummy?

what.

And then not countering when someone says this is scummy and heres why. is a town move?

Rage may resume shortly.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

-vote shifty

I am compromising here.

[Logically Insane]

-vote shifty

I am compromising here.

SHIFTY IS FING POLICY.

[Logically Insane]

THATS BETTER, BUT ITS STILL BAD.

[Logically Insane]

@Ken shi you're only confirming FBI to me.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

@Fatalis , Hi, you are like uncomfortably Null to me right now. I'd like some thoughts from you. Stuff has happened so you no longer have the excuse of "I have no stronk fellings on thinks"

[Logically Insane]

@Fatalis , Hi, you are like uncomfortably Null to me right now. I'd like some thoughts from you. Stuff has happened so you no longer have the excuse of "I have no stronk fellings on thinks"

we are not starting A new train at end of day.
You are literally doing the scum handbook.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

@Ken shi you're only confirming FBI to me.

Frankly IDGAF how I look to you at this point. It looks like you are just trying to push an easy wagon.

[Logically Insane]

Frankly IDGAF how I look to you at this point. It looks like you are just trying to push an easy wagon.

Yes because pushing a wagon from l-0 is much easier than pushing shifty who was at l-4 and most active players weren't on it.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

we are not starting A new train at end of day.
You are literally doing the scum handbook.

I was not going to vote him, duh. Arg! Like what is wrong with throwing a mention at him to see if he says something?

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Yes because pushing a wagon from l-0 is much easier than pushing shifty who was at l-4 and most active players weren't on it.

Hey, m8 care to rephrase that?

[Logically Insane]

I was not going to vote him, duh. Arg! Like what is wrong with throwing a mention at him to see if he says something?

Because me and you are having a conversation of why you are doing scummy things and not voting the person who is being scum-read and also not countering anyo fo the reasons made.

[Logically Insane]

the only new train will be on kenshi if he doesn't stop this misdirection bs.

Give us stronger reasons for not voting Unknown or G4, give us stronger reasons for voting shifty.

Can we also note that G4 hasn't voted at all? Hasn't been present at all?


@MattZed how much time are you allowing to pass before you consider replacing in-actives? Not asking to replace g4, just a general question.

[Logically Insane]

Frankly IDGAF how I look to you at this point. It looks like you are just trying to push an easy wagon.

How is unknown an easy wagon?

[Logically Insane]

Hey, m8 care to rephrase that?

There were 0 people on unknown (maybe 1) when we started pushing this.

At the same time shifty had l-4 and most of the players online were not currently on it.
If I had wanted to push an easy train wouldn't it have been easy to say shifty is scum so active players let's jump on it?
We literally had like 4 people on who could hav ehammered it if we wanted. 4+4=8 which is 1 over 7


Last I checked 0+4=4 which is 3 lower than 7,

[Logically Insane]

So Judging by the math....
Which seems easier?

The one which we still need more players to come online for?

Or the One we Could've Hammered At the 12hour mark?


Hmmmmm./

[Logically Insane]

@Borderline Crazy Dealers thoughts? I see you lurking.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

How is unknown an easy wagon?

A really good slot trapped him maybe?

[Logically Insane]

A really good slot trapped him maybe?

What do you mean?

[Rurouni Kenshin]

There were 0 people on unknown (maybe 1) when we started pushing this.

At the same time shifty had l-4 and most of the players online were not currently on it.
If I had wanted to push an easy train wouldn't it have been easy to say shifty is scum so active players let's jump on it?
We literally had like 4 people on who could hav ehammered it if we wanted. 4+4=8 which is 1 over 7


Last I checked 0+4=4 which is 3 lower than 7,

Congrats, you pass 1st grad math. :/

[Voss]

@MattZed how much time are you allowing to pass before you consider replacing in-actives? Not asking to replace g4, just a general question.

i think this question is stupid considering longest day in FM history.

Also at Ruro, why do you think Unknown is town or Shifty's scum? It seems odd that you're dismissing LI on it.

[SexyDucK]

Not going to bother and show up befor3 end of day because both of these are going to be mislynches. The joker and bcd are correct lynches, or pod for policy

-vote shifty

Both tpr in scum circle. W/e. This is my compromise, bu

[MattZed]

@MattZed how much time are you allowing to pass before you consider replacing in-actives? Not asking to replace g4, just a general question.

Inactivity is handled on a case-by-case basis for which I won't be more specific.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

What do you mean?

When I went after CBD, I ended up in a worse position that I was previously. Why can't this happen to other town as well. I'm not even saying that CBD has to be scum for it, just that CBD painted Unknown in a corner, hypothetically. I really think we need to explore this, because why not?

[Voss]

Not going to bother and show up befor3 end of day because both of these are going to be mislynches. The joker and bcd are correct lynches, or pod for policy

-vote shifty

Both tpr in scum circle. W/e. This is my compromise, bu

no lynch > people you think are going to be mislynch. that's what policy lynching is fucking for. you should go PoD over shifty.

also, i'm leaving in 5 minutes until end of day, and I'll just be waking up for that. any last words?

[SexyDucK]

WHY ARE WE NOT VOTING AND LYNCHING THE FUCKINH CLOWN.


AND WHY IS MESK VOTING US

[Logically Insane]

Not going to bother and show up befor3 end of day because both of these are going to be mislynches. The joker and bcd are correct lynches, or pod for policy

-vote shifty

Both tpr in scum circle. W/e. This is my compromise, bu

you're an idiot if you think we're the correct lynch. Seriously.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

i think this question is stupid considering longest day in FM history.

Also at Ruro, why do you think Unknown is town or Shifty's scum? It seems odd that you're dismissing LI on it.

I was thinking we didn't have much on shifty at first, but this utter lack of activity in the longest day 1 in history is not something you can just ignore.

[Logically Insane]

WHY ARE WE NOT VOTING AND LYNCHING THE FUCKINH CLOWN.


AND WHY IS MESK VOTING US

MESK VOTED UNKNOWN. READ EVERYTHING, VOTE UNKNOWN WITH THE GF. STOP BEING RETARDED.