Because I haven't been sure where to put your behaviour this game. Using the mets I have seen you play both scum and town. The new behaviour is odd because I'm used to you tunnelling me, but I don't know if I can consider this a strong scum read. It also helps to consider that you are active for the most part and are willing to cooperate usually.
Are you afraid that you cannot properly speculate since you already know you're role?
I mean if one of them flips we can see if any of the speculations seemed to be pschological or mindgames. Also It's d1, No one get's hard reads unless stupidity happens.
This was literally gone over the last mafia wars and if the players did they could've caught scum much earlier.
Dear Lord, no wonder everyone hated playing with PTB last time.
There were double tailors from reading the last game. I wonder why I think it's probable.
I am literally saying there is no reason to think they picked cit even for mindgames.
Therefore we should assume that both of them can take night actions.
It's also a good idea to recognize that they might have double kidnapper so lynching is probably optimal.
If for nothign else what I'm saying is that We need to be fully aware of what may happen if we pursue certain courses such as not lynching people simply because they were shown as citizens in feedback or not lynching on certain days(they are bad)
I don't trust certain people to have read the setup thoroughly and thought of these outcomes.
so you dont trust yourself, because you just listed multiple possible outcomes. Also why do you care about what roles the luciano's picked in mafia wars I. The only incentive you have for this is to determine what role YOU should pick this game based on how it played out last game. This is a new group of players, and the luciano's pick from game1 should have no influence on a town.
-DucK
Shifty:
I don't think i agree with this, but merely because it wasn't checked before commented on. Makes me believe that they just did not look at the set up a ton.
I think this is a lousy excuse to get out of having to provide any information, but it isn't enough for me to get a strong scum lean. I am expecting these excuses to end later on in the game because i can easily provide reads on anyone even with the Shit posting.
Why does this post appear? I don't understand why your post needs to have a nice 'ring' to it. It makes me just believe this is a shit post with little value, but could also be looked at in the ways of a lousy defense. Perhaps they just messed up really badly and have nothing to say to defend themselves against everyone else.
I think this post is covering a slip or there is a misunderstanding. You DID state that you thought they would have been converted, don't know why you are denying it. Did you read what you said? You didn't mention a day, but when you said "they must have been converted" you can't seriously be planning ahead.
Overall, less confident about my null read, glad i looked through this more.
I was trying to make a point that it is odd for a town to have read the previous mafia wars specifically to look up what roles the mafia took. Because of what we have been saying, that it is reliant on who the scum are that it only benefits the lucianos this game to look up previously selected roles.
-DucK
Like it's good to see How PTB acted last game, and to see how he acts this game. Notice the variances between the two, but ultimately discredit him as a fool.
Sorry mate.
Logically Insane (1 [L-6]):
Kovath
Shifty (2 [L-5]):
Borderline Crazy Dealers, SexyDucK
SexyDucK (2 [L-5]):
Shifty, God Emperor Trudeau
Voss (1 [L-6]):
Unknown1234
Sino (1 [L-6]):
G4slight
Borderline Crazy Dealers (1 [L-6]):
Logically Insane
Please remove your RVS votes as soon as possible and get them on actual scum-reads.
still reading but
-vote unvote
Who is lurking? That's the real question.
A ton of posts, so I'm going to organize this in accordance to who I responded to
Also people referring to logically insane as PTB is really annoying
Spoiler : Kovath :
Spoiler : Unknown :
Spoiler : SexyDuck :
Spoiler : LogicallyInsane :
Spoiler : Shifty :
Spoiler : Borderline CrazyDealers :
Spoiler : Voss :
I'd also like to add that Shifty was the post that turned the game around into something that I could actually follow.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
@Voss
If you don't give reads and pressure your scum-reads or whatnot, then how DO you play the game? This isn't a disparaging comment, I am genuinely curious.
From your post, it sounds like you focus more on mechanics.
Defensiveness isn't a scum tell. NOBODY wants to get lynched.
I'm thinking you are town for openly refusing to conform though, while not using it as an excuse to be useless.
-unvote
I'll be back in a bit.
I do give reads, but I've never really gotten positive feedback from them. I also think I've never actually pressured someone on forum mafia, which is something I should change. I'm not sure I like bringing in my own perspective on my meta is something that'll help the game quality though, so I'll only pursue this line of thought if pressured for it.
Fine, true, defensiveness isn't a scum tell, but overly defensive, I can see it as scumleaning still. Anyway, looking back, the context of that post had more to do with SexyDuck, and it has to do with 'previous games' and it gives me an overall negative feeling.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Can we not try to justify Tailors/ Janitors using their roles? This is just giving any scum Tailors/ Janitors room to justify their actions. It's a better move to treat them as Citizens.
Drug Dealer should only use their 'no feedback' action on N1 on someone that might be Culted, and even that's a long shot.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I don't know how site meta used to be, which is what you seem to be using as your frame of reference. I guess you will pick it up though.
I won't bother you about your meta then.
Most of the points you made can be explained with meta/ context. However, I'm not going to provide that for reasons stated earlier.
@Voss
What is your alignment read on me? You mentioned you had a try hard/negative feeling and that I was trying to cause slips. Why is causing slips bad?
Why do you like the joker slot. They stated they want to cause chaos and are looking at what ifs rather than scum hunting or giving their reads.
-duck
Why the hell did people spend so much time speculating about Luciano roles when that has no relation to our objective, which should be lynching scum today? And why are people trying to direct night actions for that matter either?
Defensiveness isn't a scumtell BECAUSE many people see it as justification to scumlean or scumread people. When players are more experienced, and knowing the previous statement, they choose whether to be defensive or not, not because they just happen to feel defensive. That's my view on it.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code