S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[SuperJack]

Your play today has been abominable shit. There's also nothing that suggests a joker couldn't do what you have done. You haven't been as motivating as you think you've been oh high and mighty king SuperJack. Even I don't think you're this cocky normally.

You avoid answering simple questions, play as if you're confirmed Town, and refuse to acknowledge half of what I say. I'm done talking with you until later.

I don't wear glasses and don't need to. My vision is 👌🏻👌🏻

Guys, I think that Ika is Joker. He died as lookout to look like town.

[SuperJack]

=)

[SuperJack]

@unknown

Spoiler : Spoiler :

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Spoiler : I know you looked. :

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[Fury]

Hmmm that is an interesting plan, but I'm kinda busy so I'm not going to figure out if it 100% works or not. I'm not joker though, so if it does work then fuck it idc let's do it anyway. On an unrelated note, has anyone noticed just how far your thumb is from the rest of your hand? It's like there is a group of 4 fingers and then a thumb just chilling out there like hey guys wait for me!!!

[RLVG]

can jokers visit someone without putting a bounty on their head...

Anyone can target anyone, but roles with a target action will perform their action.
Only exception is if Joker is required to do 2 targets, by having one target they won't trigger their bounty.

This is vague as fuck, only really hinted with the Citizen/Jester role.

It says his actions are to target people, which is seen by investigations. It also follows up with saying specifically that 'targets' are given a bomb.

@RLVG , if the answer to Voss's question is Yes, does it show up to investigative roles?

If a Joker is giving a bomb, that's seen.
Edit : While this isn't written, obviously the Joker is immune to the bomb, otherwise they'd die and this is pointless lol.

[Fury]

So does this mean unknown's plan won't work? Seems to me like it wouldn't work in light of this info.

[Unknown1234]

It will. The Joker has a target action, so therefore he has to perform their action.

[Unknown1234]

Nvm I didn't read the second part.

[Unknown1234]

@RLVG, if the joker has only one target, they don't technically trigger a bomb so is this seen as visiting?

[Unknown1234]

Actually, I think he can confirm me because he just said the joker won't be seen visiting which means I can visit to prove. Boom.

[RLVG]

@RLVG, if the joker has only one target, they don't technically trigger a bomb so is this seen as visiting?

If they got a bomb, then they got a bomb.
If they don't got a bomb, then they don't got a bomb.

Bombs only occur as the 2nd option after failing to lynch a bounty.

[Unknown1234]

@RLVG just to clarify, if they only visit one target, with no bomb, they won't visit. Yes?

[RLVG]

@RLVG just to clarify, if they only visit one target, with no bomb, they won't visit. Yes?

They can visit.

[The Burning Phoenix]

though i suspect the answer won't be damning enough one way or the other.

@The burningpheonix did you target someone with 2+ vowels in their name? i'm hoping we didn't stalk the same person.

I checked someone with 2 vowels so it was grylander, he visited himself.

[Unknown1234]

I hate when I ask the wrong question.

Will that visit show up to investigative roles?

[RLVG]

I hate when I ask the wrong question.

Will that visit show up to investigative roles?

That's the fucking point of visiting lol.

[Unknown1234]

Okay so that plan backfired.

[Unknown1234]

TBH though, that still does not change my reads.

I still think thedougler is mafia, and I think SuperJack has a good chance of being the joker.

If someone can tell me why they dont think thedougler is mafia/a better mafia suspect then I'm all ears. Same with joker.

[Unknown1234]

Honestly, at some point the joker is going to have to target the Detectives, because he needs them gone or else he can't win. As long as none of us citizens visit detectives then eventually we will get an opportunity to clear people.

I don't think the Joker will win this at all.

[Fury]

Honestly, at some point the joker is going to have to target the Detectives, because he needs them gone or else he can't win. As long as none of us citizens visit detectives then eventually we will get an opportunity to clear people.

I don't think the Joker will win this at all.

HOLY SHIT ROASTED JOKER BE LIKE

[Mesk514]

Given this is a WIFOM game I would laugh if unknown is just saying shit to boost his joker play ego

[SuperJack]

Given this is a WIFOM game I would laugh if unknown is just saying shit to boost his joker play ego

he used © material.

[Fury]

he used © material.

Is this © material?

[Unknown1234]

SuperJack if you believe I'm evil of the sort you owe me double the size of the pizza I owe you.

Ha.

[Unknown1234]

Given this is a WIFOM game I would laugh if unknown is just saying shit to boost his joker play ego

Yeah, I thought up that really good plan and asked multiple questions that were proven to be wrong just to look like I'm not joker.

atleast I'm looking for ways to confirm people.

[Voss]

judging by the way unknown's been acting about how he thinks i visited him, i'm less inclined to believe he's scum. i didn't follow him.

[Voss]

fury visited gyrlander. why he did that?... idk

[Voss]

makes me think agent was trying to find the joker here.

[thedougler]

I am 100% okay with being lynched after SuperJack if he flips Town. I think that this is part of his manipulation but with no night kill I'd take a lynch after him if he flipped Town somehow.

I pick none of the above. Also you need to stop casting shade on me unknown. You're far from confirmed yourself.

I was quite certain TBP was the one lying about being det. But 22's flip seems to confirm him and Voss. Gyrlander is the obvious choice right now as far as I'm concerned.

-vote Gyrlander

[thedougler]

I checked someone with 2 vowels so it was grylander, he visited himself.

-unvote

[thedougler]

Anyone can target anyone, but roles with a target action will perform their action.
Only exception is if Joker is required to do 2 targets, by having one target they won't trigger their bounty.

This is vague as fuck, only really hinted with the Citizen/Jester role.

Interesting...

fury visited gyrlander. why he did that?... idk

VERY interesting...

So I was totally unaware Joker had to visit his targets for some reason. I assumed because there were two he couldn't be seen as visiting one or the other. So Fury, why did you visit Gyrlander last night?

[Fury]

fury visited gyrlander. why he did that?... idk

Actually it was because I thought I'd be targeted by Joker last night. Let's observe the scenarios:

1) I visit myself (do nothing): When I am marked by Joker, it can be said that I made myself a bounty and made someone else a bounty with my 2nd target. This would not clear me of being joker.
2) I visit someone else: When I am marked by Joker, it cannot be said that I made myself a bounty because the person who I visited (Gyrlander) I was nearly positive wouldn't be marked by Joker.

Basically I made a play expecting to be targeted by Joker in the hopes that a detective would watch me and thus confirm that I am not joker. It seems scummy now that nothing has happened, but how the fuck was I supposed to know nobody would be targeted lol?

[Mesk514]

Actually it was because I thought I'd be targeted by Joker last night. Let's observe the scenarios:

1) I visit myself (do nothing): When I am marked by Joker, it can be said that I made myself a bounty and made someone else a bounty with my 2nd target. This would not clear me of being joker.
2) I visit someone else: When I am marked by Joker, it cannot be said that I made myself a bounty because the person who I visited (Gyrlander) I was nearly positive wouldn't be marked by Joker.

Basically I made a play expecting to be targeted by Joker in the hopes that a detective would watch me and thus confirm that I am not joker. It seems scummy now that nothing has happened, but how the fuck was I supposed to know nobody would be targeted lol?

0.0

[Fury]

Also, since joker would only be seen visiting someone if 2 targets were selected, the fact that you saw me visit and no bounty take place confirms me as not joker, correct? I made the play expecting to be targeted by joker, but in light of no target it seems to have worked in my favor to clear me of being joker. If you have any questions, ask away.

[Fury]

0.0

Yea, I'm pretty good.

[RLVG]

Due to some events, the Host has decided to cast a bolt of lightning on Voss.

Voss has been killed by the host. He was a Detective.
Required votes to lynch-hammer has been reduced to 4.

[Fury]

Well that fucking sucks. Losing a confirmed town means joker is much less likely to be found tonight if we don't lynch him today. Regardless, I'm glad at least that Voss cleared me of being Joker before he got mod-killed. Unless I myself misunderstand the discussion of the rules that RLVG and unknown went back and forth on, it's not possible.

[Mesk514]

wait, wtf.... why was voss modkilled

[SuperJack]

True

-vote Gyrlander

[Gyrlander]

GIVE ME A BREAK

[Gyrlander]

AND CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ME WHY JOKER DIDNT CHOOSE ANYONE?

[SuperJack]

play or die. Simple.

[Unknown1234]

Honestly Gyrlander, you basically ruin any reads on you by staying null the entire game.

[Unknown1234]

Well that fucking sucks. Losing a confirmed town means joker is much less likely to be found tonight if we don't lynch him today. Regardless, I'm glad at least that Voss cleared me of being Joker before he got mod-killed. Unless I myself misunderstand the discussion of the rules that RLVG and unknown went back and forth on, it's not possible.

No?

[Fury]

No?

I'm typing from my phone, so I'm unable to respond as well as I'd like to, but I thought joker could only visit if he marked someone. Like I said, I did my play expecting for joker to make a target. If I'm not cleared because joker didn't make a target, then that's not my fault because I came up with a genius plan to prove my innocence. I think the fact that I did that should count for something... At this point I'm bordering on whining but once joker dies I'll receive several infractions for verbal abuse.

Sorry for mistakes. Typing from a phone at lunch is hard.

[thedougler]

I'm typing from my phone, so I'm unable to respond as well as I'd like to, but I thought joker could only visit if he marked someone. Like I said, I did my play expecting for joker to make a target. If I'm not cleared because joker didn't make a target, then that's not my fault because I came up with a genius plan to prove my innocence. I think the fact that I did that should count for something... At this point I'm bordering on whining but once joker dies I'll receive several infractions for verbal abuse.

Sorry for mistakes. Typing from a phone at lunch is hard.

I think Fury is right. I'm really confused by this setup, but from what I understand det would have seen him visit two targets instead of just Gyrlander last night, unless he was leaving a bomb. If he had been leaving a bomb Gyrlander would be dead so that's ruled out.

Anyone can target anyone, but roles with a target action will perform their action.
Only exception is if Joker is required to do 2 targets, by having one target they won't trigger their bounty.

This is vague as fuck, only really hinted with the Citizen/Jester role.



If a Joker is giving a bomb, that's seen.
Edit : While this isn't written, obviously the Joker is immune to the bomb, otherwise they'd die and this is pointless lol.

Emphasis mine.

[Unknown1234]

If Fury was right, then I would be right.

Read the last few questions between RLVG and I and you should understand.

[Fury]

I think Fury is right. I'm really confused by this setup, but from what I understand det would have seen him visit two targets instead of just Gyrlander last night, unless he was leaving a bomb. If he had been leaving a bomb Gyrlander would be dead so that's ruled out.



Emphasis mine.

I mean that's pretty much the reasoning I used... but if I was joker then Stealth would have in all likelihood called me out n1 in order to save Alijach. Knowing that I didn't get called out to save 2 mafia, I think that plus this pretty much shows that I'm not the joker. I think I'm the least likely to be joker here aside from TBP. And considering day 1, I'm nearly confirmed to not be mafia. The only thing left was to show that I wasn't joker... I don't really think this is a reach in my reasoning, but if you have any counterpoints, then please bring them up. Since Voss is gone, having 2 confirmed townies to coordinate will make sure that our lynches aren't led by scum. I only say this because TBP isn't really a player to rally behind or lead lynches seeing that it is his first game so he's too inexperienced to properly lead town. I'm 100% ok with everyone deeply analyzing my play/doing ISOs on me to verify this because town won't have a good majority for long if we mess up. If this is too much of a reach and you guys honestly still don't trust me, then that's fine. Just argue your points well when you scum hunt and I will support who I think is town. I'm just trying to help out here

[Fury]

If Fury was right, then I would be right.

Read the last few questions between RLVG and I and you should understand.

Ok I'll take your word for it then, but still stealth would have called me out day 1 to save himself and Alijach if I was joker.

[SuperJack]

Unknown says Gyrlander is null. I thought he wasn't scum.