S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

[theoneceko]

I typed all of this with the knowledge that I probably won't get lynched today.

I really hope I won't, but if I get lynched today, I'll try to not get emotional.

[Renegade]

I really hope I won't, but if I get lynched today, I'll try to not get emotional.

The options today apparently are FT, me and Yues, so why are you freaking out

[blinkskater]

@Mike no luck on replacements for Wrath/ maybe Yues?

[Mike]

@Mike no luck on replacements for Wrath/ maybe Yues?

Waiting on MM see if he will replace.

[blinkskater]

Waiting on MM see if he will replace.

Aite cool we got plenty o time (:

[blinkskater]

@theoneceko do you still agree the poe right now is funny/yues>>>Ren?

Also what would your exact poe ve for the solve regarding all living players, you can go in order from never lynch to lynch first.

[blinkskater]

@Mike is suicide allowed?

[Mike]

@Mike is suicide allowed?

No

[blinkskater]

No

REEEEEEÉEÉEEÉEEEE.

[Funny Thing]

ive been chillin thinkin about the game and i got a bad feeling

[Mike]

@Marshmallow Marshall Will be Replacing @WrathCyber

[Stealthbomber16]

I can see why people think I've been playing scummy. I'm playing differently than I did in Last Hope or Lazy 6P.

I think I'm a more self-aware town. Yes, I realize that self-aware is a term that usually describes scum. However, I think this self-awareness allows me to be more flexible with my reads. I think it's bad for town to get emotionally attached to their reads and tunnel unless they're in LyLo, so I think I'm a better player than I was in Last Hope.

In Last Hope, I let OzyWho, who was in my towncore, get lynched on day 1 without any resistance. Then in Lazy 6P, I tunneled the crap out of blinkskater and Oberon, who are both town. Now I'm playing in the middle. I try to direct lynches, but am trying to listen to other players' perspectives. Apparently this gets me scumread, but I don't really care anymore. Even if I don't get lynched, I'll try to improve my play in the next game when I'm town so I can make better reads while getting widely townread. If I'm scum I will just AFK.

I've been as transparent with my thought processes as much as I could. This got me widely townread in my first FM games when I was town. For some reason, fewer people care about that in this game. I think it's because I've gotten better as a player, which makes people paranoid that I could be a scum who is making what I think are pretty townie posts.

I also think my play during day 2 EOD should've massively towncleared me. Now that I mention it, Renegade and Yuesford should get townpoints for sheeping blinkskater during EOD. There are good reasons to lynch Renegade and FT, but Renegade coasting is Renegade every game.

Couple of issues I have with this post

1: You are not self-aware. Disagree with me all you'd like. It will prove my point.
2: Self-meta analysis is the least valuable kind of analysis. Your meta does not come from what you think about yourself. Your meta comes from other players' opinions on you and how you play. I hard townread Light because I expect him to be a low-value shitter and he is currently meeting my expectations. In my eyes, blink is confirmed town because he's playing mechanically exactly like town gov blink plays in other games. In my eyes I'm a perfect town but that literally doesn't matter because I'm not the one who would ever vote for myself at the end of the day- because I'm not a Jester.
3: You are being transparent but your reads have been largely inconsistent so its not making you look like town.
4: You say Renegade is coasting... but you're not even trying to apply pressure onto him? Like wtf?

[Stealthbomber16]

There's another light at the end of the tunnel!

[Stealthbomber16]

@blinkskater

Give me your thoughts on why exactly you think Yuesford is scum please

[Light_Yagami]

ive been chillin thinkin about the game and i got a bad feeling

Whats That?

[Light_Yagami]

@Marshmallow Marshall Will be Replacing @WrathCyber

[Light_Yagami]

There's another light at the end of the tunnel!

Is It Me This Time? lol

[blinkskater]

@blinkskater

Give me your thoughts on why exactly you think Yuesford is scum please

So at the moment I think Yuesford is scum because he was likely saved Day 1 by the !scum banana I put a bullet into. I re read the EOD day one, funny voted AUWT then banana started to rally the troops off Yuesford and onto AUWT.

Yuesfords play also doesn't seem genuine. He just omgus'd yagami and then anyone who defended yagami was scum with him. Seems like low tier scum play.

This means that I may have been wrong on Martin. I do believe he could have contributed more so i'm still okay with thay lynch.

So I do think the team is banana+yues+funnything.

I do still believe AUWT was town.

Re reading EOD 1 multiple times it seems like Yues was saved by funny+banana, and town AUWT was lynched.

[WrathCyber]

-unvote

[Funny Thing]

just sayin renegade is better

[Stealthbomber16]

Sounds good. I'm on board. I've wanted this clown dead since d1.

[Stealthbomber16]

just sayin renegade is better

Can you supplement this opinion with a reason

[blinkskater]

So fmpov there was zero reason for AUWT to be lynched over Yuesford.

[Funny Thing]

well everyone else we lynched hasnt been here right and renegade aint here

[Stealthbomber16]

well everyone else we lynched hasnt been here right and renegade aint here

Ok, excellent pattern analysis!

Why does him not being here make him a bad guy instead of revealing that he just has really poor attendance?

[blinkskater]

My POE is always Yues/Funny>>>Ren.

I think we win as long as you guys follow this POE if I die tonight.

If game doesn't end after that then good luck, we probably lose at that point.

I also wouldn't trust any cop claims after today.

[Funny Thing]

Ok, excellent pattern analysis!

Why does him not being here make him a bad guy instead of revealing that he just has really poor attendance?

hes probably a bad guy man lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hello! Mandatory disclaimer: I do not have 999999 hours per day to dedicate on a constant basis, but I'll do my best.

What are the noteworthy events of this game (chiefly claims)? I believe I've seen Blink was un-CCed vigilante after ZZ's... interesting behavior, but that's all. Ceko is voting him at the moment though. @theoneceko mind explaining why/quoting why if you already explained?

Also, I hereby state a town soulread on Light because of relaxed town light tone. It's worth what it's worth since I'm not caught up at all.

[Funny Thing]

im doctor just kidding

[blinkskater]

Hello! Mandatory disclaimer: I do not have 999999 hours per day to dedicate on a constant basis, but I'll do my best.

What are the noteworthy events of this game (chiefly claims)? I believe I've seen Blink was un-CCed vigilante after ZZ's... interesting behavior, but that's all. Ceko is voting him at the moment though. @theoneceko mind explaining why/quoting why if you already explained?

Also, I hereby state a town soulread on Light because of relaxed town light tone. It's worth what it's worth since I'm not caught up at all.

Ceko atm is either intentionally throwing as town, or openly claiming scum

[Marshmallow Marshall]

hes probably a bad guy man lol

Can you elaborate on the thought process leading you to this conclusion? Also, you're acting weird and have no votes on you. Feel free to slap me for this if I'm doing something mechanically wrong but in the meantime,

-vote Funny Thing

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ceko atm is either intentionally throwing as town, or openly claiming scum

Okay... but how? That's just saying "HES WRONG AND IM RIGHT" lol, and I don't have any actual information to judge your statement on.

[blinkskater]

Okay... but how? That's just saying "HES WRONG AND IM RIGHT" lol, and I don't have any actual information to judge your statement on.

Hes voting me because I made him angry

[blinkskater]

MM best advice i can give you is read like 5 pages before EOD1 and EOD2. Mike has the links on opening post.

[blinkskater]

I'm un cc'd vigi who shot banana n1.

There has been no cop or doc claims.

Varcron+ banana were killed n1 and i claimed banana as vigi.

Magoroth was killed n2.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Everything you said about my play is accurate, but you're wrong to scumread me for it.

If you have basic knowledge of who I am as a mafia player, you would not scumread me. I prefer town on the mod because I hate playing as anything but town. The main reason I played the mod so much is because I love rooting out evils.

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I would not change my scum playstyle so drastically. See the links to the one other game where I played as scum.
Lag and I are similar in this way. Remember how you tunneled town!Lag because she freaked out over getting voted once? I basically react the same way when I get voted. To put it simply, I think it reflects badly on my character if I get lynched as town. Analyze that however you want, but that's the truth.
It seems pointless to re-quote myself when I'm already the highest poster in this game. Also, it doesn't matter what you think about me using "self-meta" if my "self-meta" argument is backed up by hard facts. You probably don't care about evidence, but it could cost you in this game.
This is similar to my confidence that no one would successfully counterclaim me when I was Sheriff in Lazy 6P.
Do you see this as some fucking challenge? I said that I can't be lynched as town, so part of why you want to lynch me is so you can prove me wrong? If so, that's bullcrap and makes me not want to play this game.

Addressing the post because it's colored.

Except for freaking out over single votes (which can be scummy in some circumstances and towny in others, depends on game state, on the kind of vote and on the way he's "freaking out"), those points all have two common attributes:

- They are not inherently scummy. They may not be how you play the game, Blink, but they're not scummy. Looking towny is a concern present in everyone, including town. It only becomes an issue if it's the only thing one does. And here, it doesn't look like that's what Ceko has been doing (correct me if I'm wrong).
- They are a very good description of Ceko's normal town game lol.

I am certainly not going to vote Ceko based on what you said and on his reaction, Blink. In fact, it's making me townread him lol. His vote on you still is a big question mark, though.

Also Ceko, remember that this is just a game we're playing for fun and that everyone is trying to win, so don't get worked up over it, there's nothing to be sad about ^^

[Light_Yagami]

Wait Im Uptight When Im Scum?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hes voting me because I made him angry

......... lol can we please not

MM best advice i can give you is read like 5 pages before EOD1 and EOD2. Mike has the links on opening post.

Ok, I'll try checking that out.

I'm un cc'd vigi who shot banana n1.

There has been no cop or doc claims.

Varcron+ banana were killed n1 and i claimed banana as vigi.

Magoroth was killed n2.

No double kills from the Mafia? Isn't the setup meant to have those?

[blinkskater]

......... lol can we please not

Ok, I'll try checking that out.


No double kills from the Mafia? Isn't the setup meant to have those?

Yes theres many things that could have happened.

[Funny Thing]

Yes theres many things that could have happened.

i think i know the real one

[Funny Thing]

but it dosnt matter

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Well, banana's style sure was interesting, but it always is lol, so I don't know how to read him. But since there are very high chances of there being at least one scum between Banana and Auwt, I'd say Light's position at EoD1 clears him.

[Funny Thing]

Ok, excellent pattern analysis!

Why does him not being here make him a bad guy instead of revealing that he just has really poor attendance?

anyway if its not me theon anime guy shaggy or you that leaves 2 ppl and thats good enough reason for me. i cant stop you guys from lynching yues but idk what makes him a good option. when he was here he did stuff while renegade jut followed votes

[Stealthbomber16]

@Mike

It's been 24 hours since Yuesford's last post, right? Any chance of a replacement?

[theoneceko]

@theoneceko do you still agree the poe right now is funny/yues>>>Ren?

Also what would your exact poe ve for the solve regarding all living players, you can go in order from never lynch to lynch first.

No. However, I am willing to sheep you. I truly believe that wolves have been put in a box. In other words, they've no chance of winning unless they kill you tonight.

I prefer FT -> Stealth -> Yuesford -> Renegade -> Light -> Wrath -> blinkskater -> theoneceko.

I'm not so adamant about lynching Stealth that I would go nuts if you said you really wanted a Yuesford lynch. Part of why I want to lynch Stealth is because I'm mad at him, even though I shouldn't get mad in a game.

[theoneceko]

@Marshmallow Marshall Will be Replacing @WrathCyber

Hey Marshmallow Marshall! Thank you for subbing in.

[theoneceko]

Couple of issues I have with this post

1: You are not self-aware. Disagree with me all you'd like. It will prove my point.
2: Self-meta analysis is the least valuable kind of analysis. Your meta does not come from what you think about yourself. Your meta comes from other players' opinions on you and how you play. I hard townread Light because I expect him to be a low-value shitter and he is currently meeting my expectations. In my eyes, blink is confirmed town because he's playing mechanically exactly like town gov blink plays in other games. In my eyes I'm a perfect town but that literally doesn't matter because I'm not the one who would ever vote for myself at the end of the day- because I'm not a Jester.
3: You are being transparent but your reads have been largely inconsistent so its not making you look like town.
4: You say Renegade is coasting... but you're not even trying to apply pressure onto him? Like wtf?

I don't know if this matters to you, but my reads are inconsistent until EoD. I heavily advocated for an Auwt lynch during day 1 EoD. I also heavily advocated for a Martin lynch during day 2 EoD.

Banana called me "peak treacko" for being inconsistent, so that might've encouraged me to keep being inconsistent.

Lastly, you call me out for being inconsistent but are inconsistent yourself. How many times did you switch your vote today?

Nope. Based on previous games I played with him, I know it's a pain in the ass to tunnel Renegade. I called him out for viewing the thread but not posting on day 1 or 2, and Renegade got really pissed. The posts he's given so far look very townie. Therefore, I'm willing to ignore his slot for now. I think FT is still the best lynch for today. His suspicion of blink's vigilante claim seems like it's motivated by a scum agenda.

[theoneceko]

My POE is always Yues/Funny>>>Ren.

I think we win as long as you guys follow this POE if I die tonight.

If game doesn't end after that then good luck, we probably lose at that point.

I also wouldn't trust any cop claims after today.

Unless something crazy happens, I'm willing to follow your PoE after you die.

What about nerfed medic claims? Should I trust those?

I can actually ask for your opinion because you're confirmed town.

[Funny Thing]

i think we just kill renegade and win and if we dont you guys can kill me or yuesford or this marsh wolf idc. if you have a reason to not lynch renegade rn lemme know and i guess

[theoneceko]

Hello! Mandatory disclaimer: I do not have 999999 hours per day to dedicate on a constant basis, but I'll do my best.

What are the noteworthy events of this game (chiefly claims)? I believe I've seen Blink was un-CCed vigilante after ZZ's... interesting behavior, but that's all. Ceko is voting him at the moment though. @theoneceko mind explaining why/quoting why if you already explained?

Also, I hereby state a town soulread on Light because of relaxed town light tone. It's worth what it's worth since I'm not caught up at all.

I got very angry at blinkskater. That's all. My vote will be on FT or Yuesford at EoD.