S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[Unknown1234]

There's a logical gap here.

You've been scumreading me pretty hard this game for little substantive reason that I can find. Then, see my above post for comments on your #267.

There is a difference between disagreeing and defending. Did I once say that Shifty wasn't evil? No. I said I didn't disagree with THAT logic, that doesn't mean i disagree with the overall opinion on Shifty

[SexyDucK]

Would you care to explain how you aren't a hypocrit who told someone to stop shitposting then literally shitpost everywhere else.

I have provided plenty of content along with the shit posts. That is the difference, you are useless.

-duck

[Unknown1234]

Why didn't you ask something like :

"Why are you denying what you said earlier ?"

?

I can honestly say I don't really have a good reason to not saying that. Never really came to my mind to ask him why.

[Sino]

I have no incentive to explain my "meta" or how I've "changed" when nobody ever listens and just continues to use it against me every game.

I'm listening

[Kovath]

There is a difference between disagreeing and defending. Did I once say that Shifty wasn't evil? No. I said I didn't disagree with THAT logic, that doesn't mean i disagree with the overall opinion on Shifty

Saying that some action is not an action that scum would perform implies that the individual in question is not scum.

[Sino]

I can honestly say I don't really have a good reason to not saying that. Never really came to my mind to ask him why.

Yet imo, asking such things is what gets the game moving forward

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

There is a difference between disagreeing and defending. Did I once say that Shifty wasn't evil? No. I said I didn't disagree with THAT logic, that doesn't mean i disagree with the overall opinion on Shifty

Disagreeing can be taken as an implicit defense.

What do you mean by "overall" opinion...? This sounds like you are going along with the flow here.

[Unknown1234]

Yet imo, asking such things is what gets the game moving forward

The point is he has not been actively involved with the game. Now that you feel the need to ask him, why don't you instead of saying why I should have done that lol.

[Unknown1234]

Disagreeing can be taken as an implicit defense.

What do you mean by "overall" opinion...? This sounds like you are going along with the flow here.

Overall opinion as in looking at everyone's reads and seeing that no one has yet to explicitly town read him, so obviously I don't disagree with a scum read on Shifty

[Sino]

The point is he has not been actively involved with the game. Now that you feel the need to ask him, why don't you instead of saying why I should have done that lol.

I'm not the one who brought up these points, i don't feel the need to ask him, i was wondering about how much you've been asking people questions

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Overall opinion as in looking at everyone's reads and seeing that no one has yet to explicitly town read him, so obviously I don't disagree with a scum read on Shifty

This only reinforces my point, lol.

[Unknown1234]

Saying that some action is not an action that scum would perform implies that the individual in question is not scum.

I also said that it's possible that they would, just unlikely for them to. Anyone could do anything at any point of the game, you have to look at it through both perspectives

[Sino]

Hi

Welcome, what are your thoughts about all that's happened so far ?

[Sino]

Btw, we have yet to hear from Rurouni Kenshin and Fatalis.

I also don't like how G4slight has posted once and vanished, what's the point of posting in that case ?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Btw, we have yet to hear from Rurouni Kenshin and Fatalis.

I also don't like how G4slight has posted once and vanished, what's the point of posting in that case ?

Not posting/ 'lurking' is indicative of jack shit when the game has only been going on for 6~ hours. Calm your fucking tits, dude.

[Kovath]

I also said that it's possible that they would, just unlikely for them to. Anyone could do anything at any point of the game, you have to look at it through both perspectives

...This statement literally implies that there's no point trying to read anything then, because anyone can do anything.

There is so much dissonance in how you are constantly shifting your stance here, I don't even know. I've clearly not going to get a constructively defined position on this issue beyond what you've already said, so whatever.

[Sino]

Not posting/ 'lurking' is indicative of jack shit when the game has only been going on for 6~ hours. Calm your fucking tits, dude.

What about posting once and vanishing ?

I mean, if you're gonna be busy irl, you should at least say so, or not post at all

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

What about posting once and vanishing ?

I mean, if you're gonna be busy irl, you should at least say so, or not post at all

No.

No.

No.

Trying to read activity is pointless. Don't bother. It is 100% NAI.

Gaslight also said he was going to be in later, so who fucking cares? Check-in posts are not even worth commenting on.

[Sino]

I hope they won't come online too late then

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

I hope they won't come online too late then

Whatever, let's talk about something more relevant. How has your read of Unknown changed in light of his latest responses?

Personally I think they make him look worse. Not too hot on Kovath either so I'll have to reread.

[Sino]

Whatever, let's talk about something more relevant. How has your read of Unknown changed in light of his latest responses?

Personally I think they make him look worse. Not too hot on Kovath either so I'll have to reread.

Him not having a reason for not asking questions seems weird, but i know he's kinda always been like that, so i'm leaning towards a null read here

[Sino]

@SexyDucK What's your opinion about what Unknown said ?

[SexyDucK]

@SexyDucK What's your opinion about what Unknown said ?

Sorry I have been gettingrekt by this bee that got in ,y h0use what post #

[Sino]

Sorry I have been gettingrekt by this bee that got in ,y h0use what post #

Just check the recent activity between Unknown, Kovath, BCD and me

[SexyDucK]

Just check the recent activity between Unknown, Kovath, BCD and me

My opinion is I got nothing out of that entire exchange that I can mention at the present time. I have several beliefs from it that I think are better holding onto for now and seeing a few more things before saying more.

I also need to hear more from captain number picker when he is back.
@Shifty have you given your read list yet? If not can you

_duck

[Sino]

@Voss Are you actually afk or did you decide to start lurking ?

[Shifty]

Disclaimer: these reads might as well be null - I'm not very good at reading players, especially during day 1.

Leaning town:
Logically Insane
Borderline Crazy Dealers
Sino

Null:
Everyone else -inactives

Leaning scum:
SexyDuck
God Emperor Trudeau

[Voss]

I have provided plenty of content along with the shit posts. That is the difference, you are useless.

-duck

I really don't think Joker dude is useless.

@Voss

What is your alignment read on me? You mentioned you had a try hard/negative feeling and that I was trying to cause slips. Why is causing slips bad?

Why do you like the joker slot. They stated they want to cause chaos and are looking at what ifs rather than scum hunting or giving their reads.

-duck

Causing slips gets town in trouble, especially in that way. It's negative aggression that I don't like, because I don't feel its very game-solvy.

Why the hell did people spend so much time speculating about Luciano roles when that has no relation to our objective, which should be lynching scum today? And why are people trying to direct night actions for that matter either?

no one's done that yet. and if they have, they're like my #1/#2 scum lynch. I don't really see Joker having directed it because he was speculating on something that already happened. Actually, as I'm writing this, he did do a small bit of coordination, so that irks me a little right now.

QUOTE=Borderline Crazy Dealers;606452]I don't know how site meta used to be, which is what you seem to be using as your frame of reference. I guess you will pick it up though.

I won't bother you about your meta then.

Most of the points you made can be explained with meta/ context. However, I'm not going to provide that for reasons stated earlier.[/QUOTE]

i'm not old, and old site meta doesn't work with me lol.

-vote sexyduck

. Torn between him, kovath, and a lurker.

[Sino]

Disclaimer: these reads might as well be null - I'm not very good at reading players, especially during day 1.

Leaning town:
Logically Insane
Borderline Crazy Dealers
Sino

Null:
Everyone else -inactives

Leaning scum:
SexyDuck
God Emperor Trudeau

Care to explain them a bit ?

[Unknown1234]

Skipped me. I don't think I'm in inactive category SoZ.....

[Voss]

@Voss Are you actually afk or did you decide to start lurking ?

I was afk. I didn't realize this game would be just as intensive as large FMs. man.

[Sino]

I was afk. I didn't realize this game would be just as intensive as large FMs. man.

It's fine, what are your general impression about what has happened since you posted your reads ?

[Voss]

It's fine, what are your general impression about what has happened since you posted your reads ?

I haven't posted reads, unless youre referring to my massive spoiler post.

[powerofdeath]

My first archon game, here we go.

[Sino]

I haven't posted reads, unless youre referring to my massive spoiler post.

Yes i am

[powerofdeath]

22 pages really sucks, anybody can just give me summary instead

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Read list time since I uncharacteristically have not yet:

Town:
Sino Inquisitive, not always correct, but is looking in the right places. When he pinged out calix, it does not matter if calix feels his point was accurate, but that he is noticing that in his mind there is a shift in what calix told him is her way of playing as town. He questions her, but does not use it against her meaning he is trying to find out the slot's alignment and not make bcd look bad. In his questioning of me he wanted my reasoning and liked some of what I had to say and followed up on it. On his follow up he disagreed with my logic, but accepted my reasoning. He also pinged out unknown's play as similar to a previous game as mafia and has been in dialogue with him over it.
Unknown1234 He is actually putting in work this game, trying to solve it. I can definitely see where a lot of his content is faked or forced, but he has done several things I have liked and read as town. He is high up on my town list, but do not be surprised if I do a complete flip on him.
Kovath I have him as very strong town or the FBI agent. I have liked his posts thus far, and liked his second pinging out of my buddy attempt. I called out why he does not get town points for me for mentioning it, and then he used the same sort of reasoning almost when I rebuddied him and I read him as town. Minor gut feeling on fbi agent, not very strong, but noting it.

Null:

God Emperor Trudeau Little content, I did not mind what she posted so far and her standing firm and not conforming. Do not agree with the joker read, but probable town once she contributes more.
Borderline Crazy Dealers This is a tricky one for me because for some reason I have been having a hard time seeing calix vs banana. I am leaning town on them, but have some suspicion on the intent of some of their posts.
G4slight I hate the number shit he does, but one post is not enough to read them. Only put them in here because they were on earlier. All of the people not listed fit in this same category rk-pod- fatalis

Mafia:
Voss I found it odd how much voss has focused on meta. He does not know our meta, but that should not concern him as he should be able to use his reads to accurately place himself in the game. I did not like his read list at all, and how he constantly had to bookmark posts before finishing. I would like to hear more from him.
Logically Insane Terrible read list, convenient that I am their top scum read, I know. They harp on me harping on their shitposting, but I feel I have actually moved the game along. I do not feel they are doing this, and that their "chaos" roleplay was not roleplay based on their focus on changing the topic to setup speculation. I am lightheaded reading their posts, but I hope I am able to see more from them, and able to read them better based on actual content and not this roleplay setup spec bullshit.
Shifty First post, got pinged out, went afk, came back did not acknowledge it, changed the subject, done fuck all since.

-Duck

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

22 pages really sucks, anybody can just give me summary instead

Your summary is read the fucking game that you are apart of from the start.

-DucK

[Shifty]

Care to explain them a bit ?

Why not.

Leaning town:
Logically Insane
Provides a reasonable amount of high quality posts, brings up new points and angles, his play seems genuine so town lean for now.

Borderline Crazy Dealers
Most active player, few shitposts, adds alot to discussion which is commendable. Probably my strongest town read considering activity, and all around post quality.

Sino
Joins the game late, start posting questions, actively scumhunts, refrains from shitposting, pro-town play overall.

Null:
Everyone else -inactives

Leaning scum:
SexyDuck
Shitposter, so called "leads" are basically nothing, in my eyes try-harding to get town cred with no real substance.

God Emperor Trudeau
Seems like he wants to give the impression that he's active and wants to pro-town play, although he adds nothing to the discussion. Doesn't seem genuine.

Skipped me. I don't think I'm in inactive category SoZ.....

Null: everyone else (excluding inactives) for clarification.

[powerofdeath]

Your summary is read the fucking game that you are apart of from the start.

-DucK

lol

[powerofdeath]

arent you on the wrong account?

[powerofdeath]

I havent really read anything but everybody seems to be posting their read list this page, I think it feels a bit forced.

Looking at the lynch train. It does not surprised me Duck and Shifty are the 2 biggest train.

[Sino]

Duck, you didn't post on the hydra account, watch out for that

[Logically Insane]

My my my, what kind of game we have here.
I see my other 'personalities' have posted a bit. This is going to be fun.
I have glanced over the thread and can say I think SexyDuck is very likely scum.

[powerofdeath]

Duck, you didn't post on the hydra account, watch out for that

hi

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Why not.

Leaning town:
Logically Insane
Provides a reasonable amount of high quality posts, brings up new points and angles, his play seems genuine so town lean for now.

Borderline Crazy Dealers
Most active player, few shitposts, adds alot to discussion which is commendable. Probably my strongest town read considering activity, and all around post quality.

Sino
Joins the game late, start posting questions, actively scumhunts, refrains from shitposting, pro-town play overall.

Null:
Everyone else -inactives

Leaning scum:
SexyDuck
Shitposter, so called "leads" are basically nothing, in my eyes try-harding to get town cred with no real substance.

God Emperor Trudeau
Seems like he wants to give the impression that he's active and wants to pro-town play, although he adds nothing to the discussion. Doesn't seem genuine.


Null: everyone else (excluding inactives) for clarification.

LOL? activity is not alignment indicative, but if it is for you I should be your top town as I believe I Have the most posts, and if I don't its close between me and BCD. You can argue their post quality is higher, but I have a good mix of content posts, and shitposts.

God Emperor never gave the impression that they were active, she said she had to go.... and would not be active.

-DucK

[powerofdeath]

My my my, what kind of game we have here.
I see my other 'personalities' have posted a bit. This is going to be fun.
I have glanced over the thread and can say I think SexyDuck is very likely scum.

Are you just sheeping your other personality?

[powerofdeath]

LOL? activity is not alignment indicative, but if it is for you I should be your top town as I believe I Have the most posts, and if I don't its close between me and BCD. You can argue their post quality is higher, but I have a good mix of content posts, and shitposts.

God Emperor never gave the impression that they were active, she said she had to go.... and would not be active.

-DucK

dude wrong account

[SexyDucK]

my bad.

[Sino]

About Shifty, i don't consider his early posting AI for it was the very beginning, and i'm thinking if he was scum, wouldn't he try to defend himself harder

Duck was it you who said being overly defensive is a scum tell ? what about underly defensive ?

What do you all think about Shifty not being defensive ? is that a town tell ?