S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Iron Giant. You never responded to this comment, btw.

Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Lembird Oshay View Post
more like two-siding an argument with semi-relevant points to sound like you're contributing when in actuality, you are not

I had to look up the definition of two sided arguments: "A message that that presents the arguments in favor of a proposition but also considers the opposing arguments." That just sounds like wisdom to me. Are you complimenting me? And as for contributing- contributing to what? We have no evidence other than what Fat Worm Claims and Mr. Cage Claims. I worked to calm down the situation and tried to keep him in the game. What did you do?

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

I'm on page 50 and will probably be a few hours before I can catch up to here. Pretty much the fact that Lois has been replaced after chucking a fit confirms to me that he has a town role (nothing to be gained by speculating further on the exact role). Scum would surely have more skin in the game than that. I actually expected him to chuck his fit and still be lurking in the background so the replacement is quite a surprise to me.

I can't remember how to unvote here but I will once I figure out how now that we hopefully have a less "I AM GOD" player filling his slot.

is it UNVOTE tags?

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

I'm on page 50 and will probably be a few hours before I can catch up to here. Pretty much the fact that Lois has been replaced after chucking a fit confirms to me that he has a town role (nothing to be gained by speculating further on the exact role). Scum would surely have more skin in the game than that. I actually expected him to chuck his fit and still be lurking in the background so the replacement is quite a surprise to me.

I can't remember how to unvote here but I will once I figure out how now that we hopefully have a less "I AM GOD" player filling his slot.

is it UNVOTE tags?

Let me know when you figure it out so I can copy and past. And if you have time, can you post how to vote too? Thanks!

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

[vote]Unvote[vote] (Put a / before the second vote tag, inside the brackets.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Oh, and IDK what to make of Iron Giant (robot pic). His personality is very engineerish, makes his point boldly without thought to diplomacy, so he probably sounds that way no matter what his alignment is.

me = null

I'd have to fabricate a list to answer this I'm sorry. Fat worms claim of citz may be true, but he's also very neutralish so far. Iron Giant made a point to create a little friction with me, maybe to see how I react, and in my experience when I enter model united nations mode, if you can't get along with me, its not anything I'm doing. Mulan def town, she has xp, and she is very curt and to the point. Dr. Quacksworth, equal chance scum or town, but I love him so I want him to be town (bias alert). The rest have been pretty much doing, for lack of a better term, exploratory surgery thus far.

me = null
jiles = neutral
mulan = town
wilbird = town/scum

I get that a lot, and in this circumstance I credit the fact that its easy to be sincere when you're telling the truth, lol. I just don't know. I would have pegged Mr. Cage as Scum, but he cried sheriff before leaving, so that is left unresolved. Iron Giant also appears scummy to me, people good with data analysis are really good at manipulating data to suit their needs. We have missing posters and subs, so my brain fixates on the possibility that they are mafia and not talking for one reason or another- which would mean my scum reads would be flawed for lack of a proper stats population. They need to talk, and we need a night action. Grey worm I read as neutral, but I can't explain why, and Fat Worm once again has claimed citz, but I could flop him as neutral trying to hide as a citz.

lois = town/scum
me = scummy
afkers = scum probably
bart = neutral
jiles = neutral

Christ, it hasn't changed since I last the last one you read. I think Mulan is town (possibly neutral but I think town), I think fat green worm is neutral, but he claims citizen, and I nobody has challenged him. Mr. Cage (Lois) sheriff, I legit think the dude said his role as a fuck you to us, Quinne, I'm not sure of; she's not as curt as Mulan, and is more, but she is slightly aggressive. Then there's you. I legit think you have an engineer personality, so confusing your actual personality with your abrupt/bold/esoteric demeanor might be a mistake, I'll wait on you. Dragon fly, I haven't heard from in a while. Gandalf (Lizard Bearded Dragon) and almost everyone else is too new. Fred came out strong, so he might be scum, or he might be an experienced FM player who wants to put his balls on the table to see if anyone is up to challenge him- if he's town, he may not find anyone aggressive enough to go toe to toe with apart from you. I'm trying to remain spock for as long as possible, and wait for evidence. That is all.

mulan = town/neutral
jiles = neutral
lois = town? i think?
quinn = null
me = null
fred = scum/town

your reads are as dry and interesting as a technical manual on the exact mechanisms of a plane, they tell us nothing,
and you moved me from null to scum and back to null, which i dont understand

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

[vote]Unvote[vote] (Put a / before the second vote tag, inside the brackets.

Voting works the same way. Remember to add the S-FM to the names

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Iron Giant. You never responded to this comment, btw.

Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Lembird Oshay View Post
more like two-siding an argument with semi-relevant points to sound like you're contributing when in actuality, you are not

I had to look up the definition of two sided arguments: "A message that that presents the arguments in favor of a proposition but also considers the opposing arguments." That just sounds like wisdom to me. Are you complimenting me? And as for contributing- contributing to what? We have no evidence other than what Fat Worm Claims and Mr. Cage Claims. I worked to calm down the situation and tried to keep him in the game. What did you do?

you just keep sitting there sounding like you're contributing,
but i dont really think you are
and no it wasnt a compliment

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I'm on page 50 and will probably be a few hours before I can catch up to here. Pretty much the fact that Lois has been replaced after chucking a fit confirms to me that he has a town role (nothing to be gained by speculating further on the exact role). Scum would surely have more skin in the game than that. I actually expected him to chuck his fit and still be lurking in the background so the replacement is quite a surprise to me.

I can't remember how to unvote here but I will once I figure out how now that we hopefully have a less "I AM GOD" player filling his slot.

is it UNVOTE tags?

[unvote.][/unvote] without the .

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

[unvote.][/unvote] without the .

Or that.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

me = null



me = null
jiles = neutral
mulan = town
wilbird = town/scum



lois = town/scum
me = scummy
afkers = scum probably
bart = neutral
jiles = neutral


mulan = town/neutral
jiles = neutral
lois = town? i think?
quinn = null
me = null
fred = scum/town

your reads are as dry and interesting as a technical manual on the exact mechanisms of a plane, they tell us nothing,
and you moved me from null to scum and back to null, which i dont understand

I'm incredibly consistent on you and your personality, which if you look at what you the quotes your provided is all I claimed to provide. Readings on people. Did I move you to Scum when you acted like scum? Sure, that is what people do who have wisdom when confronted with changing circumstances. Are you saying you haven't moved anyone around alignments these last 70 pages? Of course you have. And as for moving anyone else around alignment wise, I never claimed I didn't do that, all I claimed is that I was consistent on you. And if you're looking for the glenn garry glenn ross leads from me, a confessed beginner to FM, you are either a fool or you are trying to rile me up. As for the insults, meh, if that's what you do when confronted on your anti-social behavior and lack of diplomacy, then that's your strategy. As for voting you in the future, I will wait for evidence.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

Jiles can you explain Why you have me a hard scum read? Also why from your POV are you a Nul read from your POV you should be a Lock Town. PLease enlighten me.

As said previously I rather not read myself for bias reasons even though I know I am town due to my rolecard.

In my opinion you have not contributed enough however that is subject to chance as are all reads.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

As said previously I rather not read myself for bias reasons even though I know I am town due to my rolecard.

In my opinion you have not contributed enough however that is subject to chance as are all reads.

Town is focussed on itself rather than scum smh

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

you just keep sitting there sounding like you're contributing,
but i dont really think you are
and no it wasnt a compliment

So either you didn't know the meaning of the term double talk, and are not as smart as I thought, or you are just insulting me and commenting that someone isn't giving you what you want when you want it. I mean, you are not an infant; I am participating. I've heard nothing but degradation from you, nothing useful, you antagonized Mr. Cage (which admit-tingly he was super antagonize) but it just showed you don't have a grasp on diplomacy. Still not ready to vote you, I will refrain from emotional voting, but I'm done on the subject and will post no further in this matter.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

you just keep sitting there sounding like you're contributing,
but i dont really think you are
and no it wasnt a compliment

I feel like you're going in a bit hard on Jans honestly.

I get that he hasn't contributed a ton or pushed much, but at least his reads are organic and changing. That tells me he's at least re-evaluating them and actually thinking enough to make reads that aren't static, like scum might. Plus he's been open to giving them openly when asked, once he got past his enigmatic intro. They certainly aren't hot-takes, but other players have dropped off less or worse content.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

So either you didn't know the meaning of the term double talk, and are not as smart as I thought, or you are just insulting me and commenting that someone isn't giving you what you want when you want it. I mean, you are not an infant; I am participating. I've heard nothing but degradation from you, nothing useful, you antagonized Mr. Cage (which admit-tingly he was super antagonize) but it just showed you don't have a grasp on diplomacy. Still not ready to vote you, I will refrain from emotional voting, but I'm done on the subject and will post no further in this matter.

Personally you are my #1 townread and I believe you are contributing (as much as my say really doesn't mean much at this point). You even town slipped early D1 with my original read set.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

[unvote.][/unvote] without the .

Danke, Gracias, and so on. I'll figure it out through trial and error.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Danke, Gracias, and so on. I'll figure it out through trial and error.

WOOT I have just Pocketed Jan

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

WOOT I have just Pocketed Jan

...... I hope that is sarcasm.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

...... I hope that is sarcasm.

Is pocketed a good thing. I know some stuff like WIFOM. As Fredo said in the Godfather, "IM SMART," in reality he was in over his head. I like to think i'm currently neck deep in this FM, not quite drowning but not quite thriving either.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

Is pocketed a good thing. I know some stuff like WIFOM. As Fredo said in the Godfather, "IM SMART," in reality he was in over his head. I like to think i'm currently neck deep in this FM, not quite drowning but not quite thriving either.

Pocketted is not a good thing.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Is pocketed a good thing. I know some stuff like WIFOM. As Fredo said in the Godfather, "IM SMART," in reality he was in over his head. I like to think i'm currently neck deep in this FM, not quite drowning but not quite thriving either.

Pocketed generally means, gained your trust enough to manipulate you/sway your opinions or votes.

It can be both good and bad.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Pocketted is not a good thing.

Okay, meaning he has me in his pocket were he wants me?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Okay, meaning he has me in his pocket were he wants me?

Though he used it sarcastically here.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

I'm incredibly consistent on you and your personality, which if you look at what you the quotes your provided is all I claimed to provide. Readings on people. Did I move you to Scum when you acted like scum? Sure, that is what people do who have wisdom when confronted with changing circumstances. Are you saying you haven't moved anyone around alignments these last 70 pages? Of course you have. And as for moving anyone else around alignment wise, I never claimed I didn't do that, all I claimed is that I was consistent on you. And if you're looking for the glenn garry glenn ross leads from me, a confessed beginner to FM, you are either a fool or you are trying to rile me up. As for the insults, meh, if that's what you do when confronted on your anti-social behavior and lack of diplomacy, then that's your strategy. As for voting you in the future, I will wait for evidence.

oooh i like the fire

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Okay, meaning he has me in his pocket were he wants me?

A correct assertion_

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

I feel like you're going in a bit hard on Jans honestly.

I get that he hasn't contributed a ton or pushed much, but at least his reads are organic and changing. That tells me he's at least re-evaluating them and actually thinking enough to make reads that aren't static, like scum might. Plus he's been open to giving them openly when asked, once he got past his enigmatic intro. They certainly aren't hot-takes, but other players have dropped off less or worse content.

thats fair

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Pocketed generally means, gained your trust enough to manipulate you/sway your opinions or votes.

It can be both good and bad.

I like to think all of you are town and scum at the same time so nothing surprises me. Shrodingers cat, if his cat played mafia. I have two admitted biases, mulan and Dr. Quacksworth. They support my stoicism, which could be their general tendency to gravitate towards the order and structure I bring to the table. Or it could be to hide in my blind spot, but once again. I don't lynch friendly people I like without direct evidence.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

oooh i like the fire

Well, I don't like the fire. Emotional decisions rarely work out in Sc2Mafia, and I doubt they do here.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Okay, meaning he has me in his pocket were he wants me?

Mafia knows who is not mafia. So They have TMI well mafia will Gain the trust of a few town. To get them to vote with them IE Pocket them. It is never good to be pocketed. What I did is also known as Open wolfing. In Mafia it can be looked as bad play is town. So that would tend to get people to read me more mafia for it. But it is also good to bait out mafia. Mafia need to scum paint town so we lynch a town and not one of them. To put your mind at ease. I would have to be a really Bad mafia player to open wolf like I did at the time I did bring attention to me when there is no heat on me. I would contribute just want I need to and then create WIFOM on players. in other words create paranoia. Mafia players do not have paranoia since they now who is Mafia. Town is more Paranoid. switching reads But They know why and what points caused them to change. where as Mafia will do it just to look like town But they don't have any reasons. IE why I pressured jelly man who has still yet to answer.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I like to think all of you are town and scum at the same time so nothing surprises me. Shrodingers cat, if his cat played mafia. I have two admitted biases, mulan and Dr. Quacksworth. They support my stoicism, which could be their general tendency to gravitate towards the order and structure I bring to the table. Or it could be to hide in my blind spot, but once again. I don't lynch friendly people I like without direct evidence.

Mulan is a hard town lean. I have no clue on DR quacksworth.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Mafia knows who is not mafia. So They have TMI well mafia will Gain the trust of a few town. To get them to vote with them IE Pocket them. It is never good to be pocketed. What I did is also known as Open wolfing. In Mafia it can be looked as bad play is town. So that would tend to get people to read me more mafia for it. But it is also good to bait out mafia. Mafia need to scum paint town so we lynch a town and not one of them. To put your mind at ease. I would have to be a really Bad mafia player to open wolf like I did at the time I did bring attention to me when there is no heat on me. I would contribute just want I need to and then create WIFOM on players. in other words create paranoia. Mafia players do not have paranoia since they now who is Mafia. Town is more Paranoid. switching reads But They know why and what points caused them to change. where as Mafia will do it just to look like town But they don't have any reasons. IE why I pressured jelly man who has still yet to answer.

id ask you to make your sentences easier to read, would that be hypocritical of me?

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Mafia knows who is not mafia. So They have TMI well mafia will Gain the trust of a few town. To get them to vote with them IE Pocket them. It is never good to be pocketed. What I did is also known as Open wolfing. In Mafia it can be looked as bad play is town. So that would tend to get people to read me more mafia for it. But it is also good to bait out mafia. Mafia need to scum paint town so we lynch a town and not one of them. To put your mind at ease. I would have to be a really Bad mafia player to open wolf like I did at the time I did bring attention to me when there is no heat on me. I would contribute just want I need to and then create WIFOM on players. in other words create paranoia. Mafia players do not have paranoia since they now who is Mafia. Town is more Paranoid. switching reads But They know why and what points caused them to change. where as Mafia will do it just to look like town But they don't have any reasons. IE why I pressured jelly man who has still yet to answer.

"Mafia need to scum paint town so we lynch a town and not one of them."

This is useful, I need to pay attention to who is trying to skull fuck who. I have a tenancy to ignore unreasonable scum painting behavior when I can't understand or agree with the levity of their argument.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Hey, if you're not going to post in real time and are still catching up, could you perhaps hold your posts until you've analyzed them as a whole? It'll make your thoughts more confident, and it'll be easier to follow you.

no

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Mulan is a hard town lean. I have no clue on DR quacksworth.

He's hard to read. Not confrontational, to me, and doesn't particularly attack anyone, or if he doesn't only short jabs. He's friendly and comical, which is a relief when we start slinging shit at each other. That's why I'm saying town/neutral.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

"Mafia need to scum paint town so we lynch a town and not one of them."

This is useful, I need to pay attention to who is trying to skull fuck who. I have a tenancy to ignore unreasonable scum painting behavior when I can't understand or agree with the levity of their argument.

I agree with Jan on this one

Unreasonable or really trash scum paints should be questioned.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Thats How Everyone Should Post.. Just Saiyan..

Poggers_

Lol!

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

He's hard to read. Not confrontational, to me, and doesn't particularly attack anyone, or if he doesn't only short jabs. He's friendly and comical, which is a relief when we start slinging shit at each other. That's why I'm saying town/neutral.

If you end up being some one Skwily and playing new and playing me I am going to be pissed.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

and with that im finally caught up again

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

im not satisifed with jiles defense of himself
but seeing as how it all started with lois' shite im not sure it would've warranted much of a defense
granted a lot of people are reading jiles because of his interaction with others, if im reading correctly.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

uuuugh and we still have a whole day and a half
i havent played a game that lasted this long in years

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

If you end up being some one Skwily and playing new and playing me I am going to be pissed.

Jan has said some peculiar things.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

so are we going to sit on jiles for another day
lynch him
or vet other people?

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

im not satisifed with jiles defense of himself
but seeing as how it all started with lois' shite im not sure it would've warranted much of a defense
granted a lot of people are reading jiles because of his interaction with others, if im reading correctly.

It didn't justify that organized of a defense.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

so are we going to sit on jiles for another day
lynch him
or vet other people?

It'd help if we brought up our scumpools.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

so are we going to sit on jiles for another day
lynch him
or vet other people?

Lynch him early. Why wait?

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Jan has said some peculiar things.

I am a peculiar person. Not one person commented on the schrodinger's cat reference, which I thought was my best line yet.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

And since there's a sizable amount of people online, I suppose I'll drop mine. I'm certain I have at least one scum marked too high, which is okay for now. We can figure the rest out tomorrow.

S-FM Marck Wilbird
S-FM Lois Francklyn
S-FM Gollert Twissell
S-FM Jan Korvin

S-FM Lembird Oshay
S-FM Billigan Holbird

S-FM Fred Attlebish

S-FM Arnarld Quinne
S-FM Rotholfo Goncales

S-FM Joha Schtilzt

S-FM Edoua Maije

S-FM Vlädislow Kennt

S-FM Bart Pilfter
S-FM Jiles Carballo

The spaces do represent some 'tiering.'

[S-FM Vladislow Kennt]

Marlwyn Janson
Lois Francklyn


Billigan Holbird
Lembird Oshay
Gollert Twissell


Marck Wilbird
Arnarld Quinne
Jiles Carballo
Fred Attlebish

Rotholfo Goncales
Jan Korvin
Edoua Maije

Bart Pilfter
Joha Schtilzt

Frankly I don't like Rotholfo's entrance. He literally said "Vote someone I'll sheep you", just strikes me as such a shady way to enter and buddy up to me (who he townreads...) but actually look like he is doing something.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Of course I don't expect myself or anyone else to solve the game day one. But this is a general outline of how I've received everyone's play.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

We can all circlejerk for another 24 hours before eventually either lynching jello man or running up another player at last second in a likely mislynch

Or we can get this game moving. I prefer that