S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

[Mizery]

You and Mizery asked me this question. Do you really want me to reveal a potential target for the Illuminati to kill? I like to build a towncore and figured at least one person could be town. Frinckles gave me that idea a while ago.

How on earth is you saying an opinion you have going to make the wolves kill them

[Mizery]

I do, we're grouped together, and according to Pringles we're basically the same person so it makes sense

That's why I don't like it though, it's you and me and then brad and oliver- feels like a group put together that doesn't mean anything and nvm

I like it because it's a good vibe read group

it's like when people group me with schweppes or gghana

they're usually town

[Lumi]

Well I consider 3P anything that is not green nor red in this setup.

I mean, while maybe technically correct, it's not very conducive to solving the game, would be like calling the magus 3p in Last Hope because their role's name wasn't green.

I will be honest I've only read my role yet.

You are giving same vibe than Mike gave me I believe in Silenter Night (FM).
As you were not in this one, I will make some sort of a very brief summary :

Mike decided to act "so much like a town" during D1 that it pinged me, and although I called him multiple times 3P, he was not voted off and we lost the game anyway (iirc his role did not change much, might need confirmation).
I am doubtful and distrusful of that kind of behaviour.
Although you might not be super towny-looking, I am having that same exact vibe.

That's an interesting take, probably stemming from my feelings of self-importance, arrogance, and a belief that if I don't get stuff done and pressure players then no one will.

[Mizery]

@Lag Ceko is saying that they don't want to kill stealth. Not because they think he /isn't/ town, but because they believe in their ability to read him and don't think that killing him D1 is the right thing to do because of that. Which I think is actually kinda towny.

[Lumi]

at this point I'm at ceko wolf because it feels like he's TMI'd me town a million times by writing me off as a troll and not even looking at solving me.

I would sheep this read

[Mizery]

-vote BradLand

[Lumi]

@Lag Ceko is saying that they don't want to kill stealth. Not because they think he /isn't/ town, but because they believe in their ability to read him and don't think that killing him D1 is the right thing to do because of that. Which I think is actually kinda towny.

I would also sheep this read.

[Mizery]

I would also sheep this read.

lmfao

[Lumi]

If Mizery is wolf then this will be the first time I've played with wolf Mizery where Mizery actually decided to try.

[Mizery]

The thing is I don't think I've been trolly at all?? I was waiting for someone to comment on something but no one is. so maybe they think it's a troll.

[Lumi]

New reads list just dropped.

Frinckles
Mizery
Wrath

MM
PQ

Dum
Banana

Auwt
Bradland

ceko

oliver
SB16

[Mizery]

If Mizery is wolf then this will be the first time I've played with wolf Mizery where Mizery actually decided to try.

Are you saying I didn't try in the mafia cafe game?

[Mizery]

New reads list just dropped.

Frinckles
Mizery
Wrath

MM
PQ

Dum
Banana

Auwt
Bradland

ceko

oliver
SB16

Why do you have MM so high

[Mizery]

theoretically I should have a read on banana by now yes?

[Frinckles]

-vote bradland

[Lumi]

Why do you have MM so high

because I hate everyone else right now more.

The buckets are

Town

Town Lean

Null

Scum Lean

Scummer Lean

Scum

I think MM has been maybe slightly towny?

Compare to Dum and Banana that are just nulls, albeit for different reasons.

Dum is just gone, and Banana is just not really engaging my brain. Idk maybe that's actually slightly scummy for Banana then, but probably not, idk.

Auwt might have TMI slipped that he's a wolf by assuming I'm 3p rather than wolf, and the rest of his posts are just meh

Bradland has fallen significantly because after Frinckles asked me why I townread him, I was like "Why did I town read him? Is it just because he agreed with me? Wait a minute, that's a bad reason" So I went and ISO'd him and it was very empty. His ISO in the previous deck mafia game we played together was relatively empty too though and he was town there, so ehhh.

Ceko is scummier lean because he just feels completely different from his town meta that I'm more familiar with, some of his points and lines of thought have been ???, his repeated softing of knowing someone is town but not going to share it, but hm, the more I think about it the more I start to think that I put ceko too low and he should probably be above Auwt in this list

oliver because he's just actively avoiding interacting with me. I know for a fact that oliver fears my FM play on account that oliver has told me that he fears my FM play. And also the game where he was mafia and I was a survivor that 3-posted on day 1 with nothing of substance and he got mafia to night kill me anyway. So I think he randed scum and is afraid to interact with me because it'll out him.

[WrathCyber]

I still feel like Bradland could be pocketing Mizery by claiming to know his playstyle. But because Mizery is a wildcard, he could be non conditionally accepting Bradland's offer of pocketing. Also, notice how there is barely any interaction between Bradland with oliverz and sb16. Pretty unusual for me considering they're the two most prevalent sources for scum.

[WrathCyber]

It almost seems like he's ignoring those two? I didnt see a single read involving sb16 and oliverz in bradland's posts

[BananaCucho]

theoretically I should have a read on banana by now yes?

I would think so yeah

[Frinckles]

I still feel like Bradland could be pocketing Mizery by claiming to know his playstyle. But because Mizery is a wildcard, he could be non conditionally accepting Bradland's offer of pocketing. Also, notice how there is barely any interaction between Bradland with oliverz and sb16. Pretty unusual for me considering they're the two most prevalent sources for scum.

Idk about fitting Oliver into that scumteam yet but bradland-sb16 sounds reasonable to me.

[BananaCucho]

Pringles wassup. This is the first time we're in thread together this game I think

[WrathCyber]

Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
BradLand

does not help his case either.

[BradLand]

-vote BradLand

hm?

[BradLand]

I still feel like Bradland could be pocketing Mizery by claiming to know his playstyle. But because Mizery is a wildcard, he could be non conditionally accepting Bradland's offer of pocketing. Also, notice how there is barely any interaction between Bradland with oliverz and sb16. Pretty unusual for me considering they're the two most prevalent sources for scum.

If I were mafia, then sure, it would be pocketing Mizery.

But interactions between myself, Oliverz, and SB?

Those 2 are barely on, as am I....so what's the point of this read when we're never on?

[BananaCucho]

Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
BradLand

does not help his case either.

That train was garbage from it's inception. Who started it?

[WrathCyber]

Idk about fitting Oliver into that scumteam yet but bradland-sb16 sounds reasonable to me.

I don't like it either, but it's either that or scum!Frinckles and scum!Lag in the same team.

[Lumi]

Are you saying I didn't try in the mafia cafe game?

IIRC your effort in that game picked up more after I was already dead

[Frinckles]

Pringles wassup. This is the first time we're in thread together this game I think

hay banana. how's it goin

[BradLand]

Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
BradLand

does not help his case either.

Annnnd I'm pretty sure Mizery can show a number of games where she had the correct scumread, no one follows it, and she gets misyeeted.

I'm doing the exact opposite where it's a sheep on a correct scumread and she doesn't get misyeeted.

[WrathCyber]

If I were mafia, then sure, it would be pocketing Mizery.

But interactions between myself, Oliverz, and SB?

Those 2 are barely on, as am I....so what's the point of this read when we're never on?

Likely response, probably the only maneuver you could make to justify why you have 0 reads on them.

[Lumi]

I don't like it either, but it's either that or scum!Frinckles and scum!Lag in the same team.

That sounds like a fun team, I'd be down to wolf with Frinckles

[BradLand]

That train was garbage from it's inception. Who started it?

A player that is better than you.

[BananaCucho]

hay banana. how's it goin

Pretty good. Bit burned out from this bug I'm working on but I really should try to wrap it up today

[BradLand]

Likely response, probably the only maneuver you could make to justify why you have 0 reads on them.

His posts coming back looked like shit, I was going to fuck around and give a rating to his catch-up posts and one post was "Let's leave this comment here and not talk about it" which was an awful useless post so I gave it a 1/10.

The fact that he took ages to catch-up is probably scum indicative since it's a way to get away with doing little for a long ass time.

Stealth I haven't read that much since he's posted very little and I've barely been paying attention this game.

[BananaCucho]

Annnnd I'm pretty sure Mizery can show a number of games where she had the correct scumread, no one follows it, and she gets misyeeted.

I'm doing the exact opposite where it's a sheep on a correct scumread and she doesn't get misyeeted.

Do you actually scum read marshmallow?

[Mizery]

my dog just threw up in the kitchen

[BananaCucho]

A player that is better than you.

lol these days that isn't much of a compliment to anyone anymore

[BradLand]

Do you actually scum read marshmallow?

Didn't have a read there.

There were like 5 wall posts in response to Lag and I couldn't be bothered.

[Frinckles]

I don't like it either, but it's either that or scum!Frinckles and scum!Lag in the same team.

as amazing as it would be to play wolf with lag, im still not sure how you pieced that one together. rather, why oliver has to be on that specific scum team and if not, me and lag are scum.

but who knows, you have your own reads that you've been pretty vocal about. if you were to ask me who i think would fit alongside sb16+brad, id probably say MM over oliver.

[Mizery]

That train was garbage from it's inception. Who started it?

me

[BananaCucho]

Didn't have a read there.

There were like 5 wall posts in response to Lag and I couldn't be bothered.

Now that the train has disappeared and you're sheeping nobody, you planning on moving that vote or just letting it be useless?

[Frinckles]

Pretty good. Bit burned out from this bug I'm working on but I really should try to wrap it up today

you got the sniffles or your program got the sniffles

[BananaCucho]

you got the sniffles or your program got the sniffles

My software got the sniffles bad

[Mizery]

Brad/mm probably not partnered and mm/stealth probably not partnered

[Mizery]

I'm trying to act pockety towards Brad so he'll scumread me but it's not working

[BradLand]

Now that the train has disappeared and you're sheeping nobody, you planning on moving that vote or just letting it be useless?

I'll move it when the time is right.

[BradLand]

I'm trying to act pockety towards Brad so he'll scumread me but it's not working

You're voting me and I don't think you understand how to pocket me.

[Mizery]

I completely give up trying now because i don't know what to do

I don't think Brad should die today but I have also seen him be way more solvy and towny than I have seen so far in this game. He's barely been here this game and when he was he was explaining a townread on me or talking about sheeping me.

[Frinckles]

Brad/mm probably not partnered and mm/stealth probably not partnered

i just throw MM into every scumworld because my ability to read him is garbage.

and at the very least, he's usually the opposite of whatever I read him as. I think he's town this game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mizery]

XD

Now uh, let's look into this:

Okay

.... what


What? What is this progression? "I would kill Lag" -> "I would kill Lag if I were scum but I'm not scum" -> "I townread Lag, oh and Wrath is 100 % town"
????

Specifically this post I really don't like from MM