S-FM 321: Scum Town 13p

[MartinGG99]

If I were to doc-heal someone on N1, I would heal Light or Greyswandir.

Definitely not Magoroth.

[bakermir]

I wouldn't.

I agree.

Mag's top town is Auwt btw that's also strange to me both of them TR each other both days.


I have two potential teams for a while now and MAg is part of one so I support the elim here personally

[TCP]

I agree.

Mag's top town is Auwt btw that's also strange to me both of them TR each other both days.


I have two potential teams for a while now and MAg is part of one so I support the elim here personally

I thought it was pretty clear that Mags top town is martin

[bakermir]

I thought it was pretty clear that Mags top town is martin

Did he say that?

I only assumed it is Auwt because they mentioned sheeping Auwt and eventually gray

[TCP]

I can check his posts again and figure out the number of times he has said Martin as town but I know it has been multiple times

[Happymeal]

Honestly even if he's villager he has 50% chance of dying.

If we miseliminated today and Mag is a villager then we will possibly lose a third one over night.

That's a lot to lose, and sounds more of an argument to skip or eliminate Magoroth just to control the pacing of the game for the villagers.

Personally though, I have my doubts about Light with regards to his D2 performance. I suspect there's a chance the real killer is out there somewhere waiting to kill him.

I'm perplexed about this thought process. We want scummy non PRs to die especially if they're a completely free kill. if mag dies today that gives town an extra free lynch which ultimately is a net positive for town.

This game is very easy to win mechanically especially if the cop claim is real, then we'll probably have a check today and tomorrow. We have light as probably the vigi and from there it's pretty simplistic. Voting out someone besides mag today is optimal mechanically imo

[MartinGG99]

Did he say that?

I only assumed it is Auwt because they mentioned sheeping Auwt and eventually gray

Here's my new order of yeet priority.

Mag
StarGunner
Grayswandir
Martin
TCP
Auwt
Bakermir/Frostbyte
Happymeal/Kelly
Light

Top 3, apparently. Above everyone but Star Gunner and Grayswagdir.

[MartinGG99]

I'm perplexed about this thought process. We want scummy non PRs to die especially if they're a completely free kill. if mag dies today that gives town an extra free lynch which ultimately is a net positive for town.

This game is very easy to win mechanically especially if the cop claim is real, then we'll probably have a check today and tomorrow. We have light as probably the vigi and from there it's pretty simplistic. Voting out someone besides mag today is optimal mechanically imo

You do realize that the wolves have an NK and a role-blocker, right?

This game can punish hard-claims, and its one of the reasons I would be very skeptical of Stargunner if it weren't for his experience level.

Also, regardless of what's "optimal", if what is mechanically established isn't plausible, then it isn't really optimal to follow it.

[Happymeal]

On the other hand, martin, mag is really useless to town IMO considering he's voting me . It's like he's the king of bad reads this game.

[Happymeal]

I guess I could see Auwt being lynched/eliminated here in terms of utility

But I must admit I don't honestly feel he's wolfy because I do feel like he was lost on day 1 before anyone even knew.

That and he doesn't seem to fit well into any wolf-team picture I can think of right now.

btw Auwt fits well into any scum team. I'm perplexed how people are saying it's hard to imagine Auwt as scum. I can very much imagine him as scum.

It's really simplistic to lie around all day doing nothing, come in and vote, leave and then do nothing as scum. He fits in every world

the reason I had him as null before is because I liked his reads, but this could just be simplistic wolf behavior with reads that are similar of thought to mine and he just likely hit the mark.

[Happymeal]

You do realize that the wolves have an NK and a role-blocker, right?

This game can punish hard-claims, and its one of the reasons I would be very skeptical of Stargunner if it weren't for his experience level.

Also, regardless of what's "optimal", if what is mechanically established isn't plausible, then it isn't really optimal to follow it.

That is true I forgot about the role blocker which means even if stargunner is really we probably won't get a check tonight.

[TCP]

He said this about the martin vote from auwt
MartinGG99 (1 [L-5]):
Auwt
Cop will need to get a red check on Martin, or I'll have to make it to late game to rethink my read on Martin. This is a bad start of a train. Auwt, let's combine our votes elsewhere.


This was his yeet list with martin as his top non PR claim
Mag
StarGunner
Grayswandir
Martin

He said this in response to a quote of martins
I had the same thought here. Martin asking for trains to consolidate, (even on him!?!?) super villagery. And because town minds think alike, I think your village.

[Happymeal]

Well, if I had to guess based on elimination priority, the scum-team you are imagining is Light + Happy + Kelli.

That doesn't seem to make sense to me though because its weird then that Happy + Light decided to distance but Happy + Kelli decided not to.

I would think the scum-team would try to maintain a common strategy of sorts, rather than a complex one. Or at least it seems like the Light + Happy + Kelli interactions overall so far would be a bit complex.

Unless they tried to wing it without much planning on night 0?

Martin, while my account is new, I am a fairly strong player. I'm able to adapt to scenarios etc. and employ a bunch of disparate tactics depending on a lot of factors. This could very well have been something I did. Of course I'm not a wolf so I didn't, but just because I'm new to the forum doesn't mean I lack abilities.

Stargunner is an example of a player that seems rather new to mafia in general, but I am not.

[MartinGG99]

btw Auwt fits well into any scum team. I'm perplexed how people are saying it's hard to imagine Auwt as scum. I can very much imagine him as scum.

It's really simplistic to lie around all day doing nothing, come in and vote, leave and then do nothing as scum. He fits in every world

the reason I had him as null before is because I liked his reads, but this could just be simplistic wolf behavior with reads that are similar of thought to mine and he just likely hit the mark.

Ideally, he can fit into many worlds.

But honestly I'm sticking with my belief that he's just lost as he said. He seemed to present ideas or contest ideas on d1 (or that's my general feel of him) that were led or proposed by people that had significant thread presence, to a degree that I imagine if he were wolf and trying to contest them they would rather try to pocket or "go with the flow" and try to nudge it in different directions instead. They would just be intimidated.

Maybe that's a terrible reason. But if anyone is LHF and villager here, I would bet its Auwt.

Kinda TWTBAW (too wolfy to be a wolf) argument tbh.

[TCP]

Btw Happy if you are here, I think you are town, but I need some help understanding your kelli read. Can you do what Martin cannot rn and explain what makes Kelli a villager this game?

From my perspective she is in a similar spot to Auwt where I am reading a lot of interactions of hers that makes her very plausible partner possibilities with people not claiming a PR.

[MartinGG99]

Martin, while my account is new, I am a fairly strong player. I'm able to adapt to scenarios etc. and employ a bunch of disparate tactics depending on a lot of factors. This could very well have been something I did. Of course I'm not a wolf so I didn't, but just because I'm new to the forum doesn't mean I lack abilities.

Stargunner is an example of a player that seems rather new to mafia in general, but I am not.

True.

But skill does not imply that one will go to such great lengths. Sometimes we opt for simpler things to be done.

Either way, I really don't think you're a wolf this game. There's just no way I can see that now.

[bakermir]

Martin, while my account is new, I am a fairly strong player. I'm able to adapt to scenarios etc. and employ a bunch of disparate tactics depending on a lot of factors. This could very well have been something I did. Of course I'm not a wolf so I didn't, but just because I'm new to the forum doesn't mean I lack abilities.

Stargunner is an example of a player that seems rather new to mafia in general, but I am not.

well there is a potential happy/kelli/frost team I am sure I wasn't the only one imagined that team. I still tr you guys and would rather see one in auwt/tcp/mag trio flipped first. I hope you see where I am coming from though. If Light/Star claims are true + we got gray + I know I am villager, these are the two teams I can imagine. I don't know where Martin fits but I have been havin tr on him all this time too. It only makes sense that you will be townreading frost/kelli over me and martin at some point and potentially call us a team, this I suspect because of frost's posts today btw


I didn't wanted to post this today but I feel like I should since frost asked for my reads earlier, this is my legacy read

[TCP]

Btw Happy if you are here, I think you are town, but I need some help understanding your kelli read. Can you do what Martin cannot rn and explain what makes Kelli a villager this game?

From my perspective she is in a similar spot to Auwt where I am reading a lot of interactions of hers that makes her very plausible partner possibilities with people not claiming a PR.

I forget the acronym for this is supposed to be an edit,
By happy as town I meant to say villager

[Happymeal]

Btw Happy if you are here, I think you are town, but I need some help understanding your kelli read. Can you do what Martin cannot rn and explain what makes Kelli a villager this game?

From my perspective she is in a similar spot to Auwt where I am reading a lot of interactions of hers that makes her very plausible partner possibilities with people not claiming a PR.

Kelli could be mafia.

I read her as town because she aligned with me and I'm town. Her playstyle is usually hard aligning with teammates and try not to town side. Since she was doing that, she's more likely town.

As for today's posts; I dunno. They seem fine to me and I see no reason to discount points from my read on her. I guess she is similar to Auwt in the sense she hasn't been around a lot, but I think she's been more detailed and I give her complete points for literally just being completely new to forum mafia while Auwt has something like 1000 posts.

[bakermir]

-vote S-FM Magoroth

[MartinGG99]

well there is a potential happy/kelli/frost team I am sure I wasn't the only one imagined that team. I still tr you guys and would rather see one in auwt/tcp/mag trio flipped first. I hope you see where I am coming from though. If Light/Star claims are true + we got gray + I know I am villager, these are the two teams I can imagine. I don't know where Martin fits but I have been havin tr on him all this time too. It only makes sense that you will be townreading frost/kelli over me and martin at some point and potentially call us a team, this I suspect because of frost's posts today btw


I didn't wanted to post this today but I feel like I should since frost asked for my reads earlier, this is my legacy read

Thanks a lot.

Your TR won't go unrewarded forever, and you will find a place for me at some point.

[MartinGG99]

I forget the acronym for this is supposed to be an edit,
By happy as town I meant to say villager

its ebwop

edit by way of post

[bakermir]

@Grayswagdir
@FrostByte
@Kelli
@Happymeal
@Auwt
@TCP
@Light_Yagami
@StarGunner


good with this?

-vote S-FM Magoroth

[Happymeal]

I still oppose the mag vote

[MartinGG99]

I still oppose the mag vote

How many wolves do you think are on it?

[MartinGG99]

Just felt like asking that earlier lol (since sometimes when a wagon leads to an elimination people ask how many wolves were on it....once it was full).

There was no real point in that question anyways since I think you're villager.

[TCP]

well there is a potential happy/kelli/frost team I am sure I wasn't the only one imagined that team. I still tr you guys and would rather see one in auwt/tcp/mag trio flipped first. I hope you see where I am coming from though. If Light/Star claims are true + we got gray + I know I am villager, these are the two teams I can imagine. I don't know where Martin fits but I have been havin tr on him all this time too. It only makes sense that you will be townreading frost/kelli over me and martin at some point and potentially call us a team, this I suspect because of frost's posts today btw


I didn't wanted to post this today but I feel like I should since frost asked for my reads earlier, this is my legacy read

I actually have a similar world in my mind. From my perspective I don't think the Kelli world is as likely with Happymeal than has been mentioned earlier.
I think that Kelli as wolf here probably correctly read happymeal as town, because her main content day 1 was that she had a good read on happymeal, and in the situation where happy would have flipped she would have that as her villager cred.

To me I think that she has a likelyhood to be with Frost Martin auwt or you, and if I am right on her being a wolf and we get her then that helps me solve a lot.

I also think that Mag is a bad push for today, because at least from my perspective I don't think he is likely to have partners. I think the interactions he has had from you and martin pushing him make it so that he is unlikely with either of you, I don't think he is with happy because of his push on him today, by the way he had mentioned yesterday, and I quoted this in my notes because I thought it was a really harsh quote but he said this "You get a pass today. Claim wolf again tomorrow and I'll treat you the same way I treated Yagami today." to Happy. So from my perspective I have to think he is exactly with Auwt and Frostbyte which I don't think is the case.

[TCP]

-vote Kelli

[Happymeal]

Here's where I stand with reads:

Martin - could be scum, but I have been liking his posts and interactions recently hence why I've personally been interacting with him. Bakermir is also spewing him town so I'm willing to work with him for the time being and give him a town pass for

TCP - to me he's pretty much my strongest town read

bakermir - second strongest town read

Kelli - I townread her, but she can be lynched just because she doesn't give a lot of content

Auwt - my preferred lynch because of lack of content and honestly I see him more and more possibly being scum.

Stargunner - claimed cop, but gave no checks or reads or any content. Quite possibly the worst claim I've ever seen.

Mag - mechanically a bad lynch IMO due to light's soft claims

light - soft claimed vigi

Gray - claimed PR

[bakermir]

I still oppose the mag vote

Lynch is plurality + majority.

Who should we vote then? We can't seriously have a 6 way rand lol

[Happymeal]

How many wolves do you think are on it?

Probably none right now

[bakermir]

Here's where I stand with reads:

Martin - could be scum, but I have been liking his posts and interactions recently hence why I've personally been interacting with him. Bakermir is also spewing him town so I'm willing to work with him for the time being and give him a town pass for

TCP - to me he's pretty much my strongest town read

bakermir - second strongest town read

Kelli - I townread her, but she can be lynched just because she doesn't give a lot of content

Auwt - my preferred lynch because of lack of content and honestly I see him more and more possibly being scum.

Stargunner - claimed cop, but gave no checks or reads or any content. Quite possibly the worst claim I've ever seen.

Mag - mechanically a bad lynch IMO due to light's soft claims

light - soft claimed vigi

Gray - claimed PR

you missed frostbyte

[Happymeal]

Lynch is plurality + majority.

Who should we vote then? We can't seriously have a 6 way rand lol

My vote is on Auwt right now. I'm not opposed to lynching the following:

Frostbyte
kelli
Auwt
Martin

I'm down to work with town, but the mag vote is far fetched IMO.

[Happymeal]

you missed frostbyte

I realized that after the post.

Frostbyte - I dislike how he reads the game. So many of his reads are wolf indicative while he's also done actively towny things (yesterday's EOD). While I'm down to lynch him, he's also not top priority.

[Happymeal]

towny as in villager (I'm using town to mean villager and scum to mean wolf, but also my vernacular changes sometimes since I use so many of these words interchangeably so often).

[MartinGG99]

Lynch is plurality + majority.

Who should we vote then? We can't seriously have a 6 way rand lol

Honestly if we really have to choose someone else I guess we can vote Auwt. I could be wrong on him but I doubt it.

In the way that Happy is opposed to a mag elimination, I am too towards a Auwt elimination.

Granted though, he's the only one where my villager read is partially TWTBAW, and those could be dangerous to believe in.

[MartinGG99]

-vote Auwt

Preference is Mag, though.

[bakermir]

where is everyone?

[bakermir]

4 hours 36 minutes left

If it is left to 4 of us I can only hope you are all villagers so we do this right.


I agree with Auwt reads but I have to say Auwt does this quite often either alignment so metareading him I don't feel good about voting them up at least for today

[S-FM Magoroth]

I agree.

Mag's top town is Auwt btw that's also strange to me both of them TR each other both days.


I have two potential teams for a while now and MAg is part of one so I support the elim here personally

-vote bakemir

This is false. Moving you down to just below light.

I thought it was pretty clear that Mags top town is martin

TCP reads and doesn't misrepresent. TCP more likely as villager than baker here.

[MartinGG99]

where is everyone?

More importantly

where is this guy

-vote Stargunner

[MartinGG99]

We've voted a lot of people over the course of this day

how come he hasn't reacted and said "oh, uh guys, that's a villager so don't vote them"

[bakermir]

-vote bakemir

This is false. Moving you down to just below light.



TCP reads and doesn't misrepresent. TCP more likely as villager than baker here.

how is it false when auwt have been having you as their highest TR d1 and both of you expressing interest in sheeping each other?

[S-FM Magoroth]

-vote S-FM Magoroth

i put my vote in before i finished reading, but i don't really expect anyone to really believe this statement if they actually think i'm a wolf.

[S-FM Magoroth]

how is it false when auwt have been having you as their highest TR d1 and both of you expressing interest in sheeping each other?

Don't equate Auwt's top village read being me to my top village read being Auwt. And stop trying to drive a wedge into me trying to work with people.

More false equivalences.

-vote bakermir

Misspelled. oops.

[MartinGG99]

I find it curious that S-FM Magoroth suspects Bakermir but doesn't use the reasoning that his 2nd highest town-read is voting bakermir.

Instead, he moves him down just because of something being "false" instead of what possibly could be a misunderstanding.

[S-FM Magoroth]

I appreciate the vote of confidence Happymeal and have adjusted my reads. Either you're pocketing me for later or you're village.

Mag
StarGunner
Grayswandir
Martin
TCP
Auwt
Happymeal
Frostbyte
Kelly
Bakermir
Light

[MartinGG99]

-vote S-FM Magoroth

[Auwt]

@Grayswagdir
@FrostByte
@Kelli
@Happymeal
@Auwt
@TCP
@Light_Yagami
@StarGunner


good with this?

What do you expect me to say when you are voting one of my townread exactly?

[S-FM Magoroth]

Martin, what in the world do you want from me?