S-FM 321: Scum Town 13p

[Light_Yagami]

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[TCP]

For martin I have been leaning him scummy so far in the game, because I don't really agree with the logic that he had on locking light as his most confident town when he did with the gameplay he was pointing out as towny. I think that it's hard to take things like coming into the day and voting skip as so towny not to just slightly town read light but to lock him down and wanting to ride or die with him. It felt to me like he had TMI on light and thought that what light was doing was more towny than it actually was. There was another comment that made me feel this way because Martin also showed a strange shock to Happymeal putting gunner in scum, which made me think that gunner was being more towny than he actually was.

[Happymeal]

This is great and all but this still lacks anything regarding me.

What I'm trying to say is that up until the initial list everyone who was silent had equity to be a wolf, but I was just too lazy to copy and past their names. Update list is better because I put the effort to ensure all reads are equal.

Also Didnt Happymeal Claim Escort? Im Open To Either A Happymeal Or Marshmallow Marshall Lynch Today.

There is irony in the way you play

Oh hey TCP! <3 I didn't realize you were in this my bad. But notoriously I have a bad read on you anyway. So where I'm at right now of the three people that I know from off site being TCP, Happymeal and Frost. I like Frost the most I think that he's been kind of towny and his perspective seems correct. I think that happymeal could be scum but like I've said before he hasn't done anything for me yet that has screamed from the rooftops I'm mafia, and TCP for the three has probably been the most scummy. However, it's more of a null than a scum read I am terrible at reading TCP in VM so I don't think FM will be any different. He seems to be interjecting a lot and adding content but I can't tell if the content is driven in the right direction.

That is all!

where's the sheep vote on martin ?

So a gut read, given the "presented in such a way to not give off that appearance".

Unless you think there could've been a more townier way I could've worded that?

How about I just dumb myself down so I can't have "TMI" (too-much information) appearances?



I'm kinda surprised StarGunner is on your list though.

it's hard to determine exactly when something is scummy or not. Sometimes you're just completely wrong and other times you score a home run. I'm confident in my reads regardless of how wrong or right they end up being anyways. Of course there are ways you could have made things more towny, but they have less to do with that actual content of the posts and more to do with the timing and when/why they were created. I think the read came at an opportune time to align with light/get him to align with you in a way that just seems wolf-like, that's all.

However, I'm almost willing to vote frostbyte for behaving poorly, but this is scumtown so there's a possibility he's just roleplaying .

I'm also willing to team up with whoever to vote out stargunner if the tides shift that way. He is actively posting in a way that indicates high possibility of wolf IMO.

So I would have understood if you claimed this to be NAI, or scum, but I would love to hear why do you think this is town.
I can't see why.
If Light really wanted to just wait for further reads, he would have parked his vote nowhere.
The difference here, is that he chose to put his vote on skip, which is practically not the way to help us at all during D1.

Just IMO the way light plays is fine (who cares if he votes skip early on if he changes his vote later), but I dislike the logical disconnect he has.

Light plays in a way that is pro - wolf, but then actively pushes against me for playing in a way that is pro - wolf.

I think this makes light pretty much PR (in case the wolves wanna target him in the night).



I still have some posts to read tho.

[TCP]

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For Marshall I don't think he has done anything towny so far. I thought when he entered the game it was kinda funny, but he hasn't really given me content to believe he is a villager.
I have him as Null because of that

[Light_Yagami]

For martin I have been leaning him scummy so far in the game, because I don't really agree with the logic that he had on locking light as his most confident town when he did with the gameplay he was pointing out as towny. I think that it's hard to take things like coming into the day and voting skip as so towny not to just slightly town read light but to lock him down and wanting to ride or die with him. It felt to me like he had TMI on light and thought that what light was doing was more towny than it actually was. There was another comment that made me feel this way because Martin also showed a strange shock to Happymeal putting gunner in scum, which made me think that gunner was being more towny than he actually was.

Yeah The Same Logic You Used With Happymeal And Kelli. Can Be Applied To Martin Seeing As How He And Dark Magician Have Both Played With Me Before. So They Know My Style Of Play. And Feel More Confident In How I Do Things.

[Light_Yagami]

For Marshall I don't think he has done anything towny so far. I thought when he entered the game it was kinda funny, but he hasn't really given me content to believe he is a villager.
I have him as Null because of that

Yeah Normally And This Is Me Using Meta When He Does That Kinda Crap He Ends Up Being Scum. Hence Why I Have Him In The Informed Category.

[TCP]

I have some light villager reads on Mag and Gunner.

I still think for Mag the way he came into the day and started tunneling on the skip vote seemed like something that wouldn't be a likely entrance for a wolf, but at the same time it is not helpful for the Villagers. It's not good for Mag's alignment either way to be so tunneled on light especially because the reason he is tunneling is not as damning evidence of light being a wolf as he believes that it is likely that both could be villagers and the game becomes f'd to solve.

For the gunner read it is a bit of a disrespect read based on how new I am perceiving him to be. I don't think his content has been good, but I think aspects of informing everyone that you have some stomach problems and might not be around, then being one of the most active at talking and letting everyone know when you are going is indicative of someone being eager to try to solve their first game.

[Light_Yagami]

I have some light villager reads on Mag and Gunner.

I still think for Mag the way he came into the day and started tunneling on the skip vote seemed like something that wouldn't be a likely entrance for a wolf, but at the same time it is not helpful for the Villagers. It's not good for Mag's alignment either way to be so tunneled on light especially because the reason he is tunneling is not as damning evidence of light being a wolf as he believes that it is likely that both could be villagers and the game becomes f'd to solve.

For the gunner read it is a bit of a disrespect read based on how new I am perceiving him to be. I don't think his content has been good, but I think aspects of informing everyone that you have some stomach problems and might not be around, then being one of the most active at talking and letting everyone know when you are going is indicative of someone being eager to try to solve their first game.

Yeah Gunner Is Low Yield Info ATM As Well. Ill Agree However He Really Hasnt Provided Any Content That Could Be Convincing As Uninformed. But Honestly Depending On How This Progresses Further. Either Way For Me He Isnt Out Of The Woods Yet.

[TCP]

Other than that I have one more read on Gray that I don't think anyones talked about.

He has gotten a lot of villager reads from a lot of different areas, and I think it is based on his approach at the beginning of the day yesterday. It was at least mentioned by happymeal that he liked his content, but frommy perspective he has had 2 notable contributions so far with thinking between kelli and happy's first interactions that kelli would be more likely to be scum, and pointing out that he thought happy meals beginning of the day was from a villager perspective, then he pretty much just flipped his whole content because happy claimed that he could be scum. I said it already but I don't think that it is good to read happy meal on that and he should be evaluated when he got more serious and gave his actual reads, so I don't think his evaluations have been as good as people perceive he has been and I am suprised he has gotten as many town reads as he had.
I counted Light, Happy, Martin and Frostbyte giving him kinda free town reads, and I think from everyone's perspectives someone scummy has given him a free town read for little to no reason.

[Happymeal]

Other than that I have one more read on Gray that I don't think anyones talked about.

He has gotten a lot of villager reads from a lot of different areas, and I think it is based on his approach at the beginning of the day yesterday. It was at least mentioned by happymeal that he liked his content, but frommy perspective he has had 2 notable contributions so far with thinking between kelli and happy's first interactions that kelli would be more likely to be scum, and pointing out that he thought happy meals beginning of the day was from a villager perspective, then he pretty much just flipped his whole content because happy claimed that he could be scum. I said it already but I don't think that it is good to read happy meal on that and he should be evaluated when he got more serious and gave his actual reads, so I don't think his evaluations have been as good as people perceive he has been and I am suprised he has gotten as many town reads as he had.
I counted Light, Happy, Martin and Frostbyte giving him kinda free town reads, and I think from everyone's perspectives someone scummy has given him a free town read for little to no reason.

Btw you can add/switch some of my reads based upon all the things I've read (I'm up to the quoted post):

-add TCP to my villager list. His content has been very good, I like it

-switch Gray to my null list (I agree I think I gave my read a little too liberally and that in reality his posts are not as villager indicative as I thought)

-switch marshall to my null list. I gave him a villager read too easily.

-add Auwt to my villager list. I don't think his content is amazing, but some things he has said has villager indication which I think is good.

- add FrostByte to wolves. It's not his bad - mannered posts, but I think his post (#195) regarding his reads wasn't very genuine in a lot of ways. His read on light being wolf or applying wolf - like tactics is too opportunistic IMO and has already been done. His town read on mag is not very good either. Tunnerlers, to me, are just as equally able to wolf as they are villagers just as much as wolf tactic applying individuals are. I think him giving out very easy reads like this is very wolf like.

So here's where I'm at overall:

Wolves

martin
stargunner
frostbyte

Villagers

Kelli
Dark Magician
bakermir
TCP
Auwt



Everyone else is null

[Light_Yagami]

Id Like To Point Out That The Informed Minority Had A Night Zero Chat. So They Had The Advantage Of Trying To Make A Plan/Order Of Attack..

[Light_Yagami]

Actually Starting To Think Everyone Currently Voting Me Is Informed..

[Light_Yagami]

If I Had A Top Priority For A Check It Would Be Check Marshmallow Marshall.

[FrostByte]

Btw you can add/switch some of my reads based upon all the things I've read (I'm up to the quoted post):

-add TCP to my villager list. His content has been very good, I like it

-switch Gray to my null list (I agree I think I gave my read a little too liberally and that in reality his posts are not as villager indicative as I thought)

-switch marshall to my null list. I gave him a villager read too easily.

-add Auwt to my villager list. I don't think his content is amazing, but some things he has said has villager indication which I think is good.

- add FrostByte to wolves. It's not his bad - mannered posts, but I think his post (#195) regarding his reads wasn't very genuine in a lot of ways. His read on light being wolf or applying wolf - like tactics is too opportunistic IMO and has already been done. His town read on mag is not very good either. Tunnerlers, to me, are just as equally able to wolf as they are villagers just as much as wolf tactic applying individuals are. I think him giving out very easy reads like this is very wolf like.

So here's where I'm at overall:

Wolves

martin
stargunner
frostbyte

Villagers

Kelli
Dark Magician
bakermir
TCP
Auwt



Everyone else is null

I gave you a scum read and you OMGUSed me lol
Light read was logical and if I were being opportunistic I'd have jumped on that wagon.

I agree that TCP seems legit, though. He just gave Mag essentially the same read I did. Does that make him scummy? If not, why not?

[FrostByte]

Actually Starting To Think Everyone Currently Voting Me Is Informed..

Can't tell if sincere towny paranoia or WIFOMing as town feeling pressure.

@MartinGG99 you seem to know Light well. How often does he employ WIFOM?

[FrostByte]

If I Had A Top Priority For A Check It Would Be Check Marshmallow Marshall.

Have you ever played as scum and bussed a partner? If so, can you remember off the top of your head which game or roughly when it was played?

[TCP]

I gave you a scum read and you OMGUSed me lol
Light read was logical and if I were being opportunistic I'd have jumped on that wagon.

I agree that TCP seems legit, though. He just gave Mag essentially the same read I did. Does that make him scummy? If not, why not?

The mag read was one of the first ones I had in the game. I mentioned it in #82

[FrostByte]

The mag read was one of the first ones I had in the game. I mentioned it in #82

You're right. I was thinking you had just given that at #257 but you were reiterating and expanding on your point.

Happy thinks you're towny and I'm scummy though.

Goofy.

[Light_Yagami]

Have you ever played as scum and bussed a partner? If so, can you remember off the top of your head which game or roughly when it was played?

I Have Played Scum And Never Have I Bussed A Team Mate. The Closet Game That Could Be Is High Noon Saloon..

That Was My First Post Of That Game.

[Light_Yagami]

I Have A Damn Near Eidetic Memory.

[Happymeal]

I gave you a scum read and you OMGUSed me lol
Light read was logical and if I were being opportunistic I'd have jumped on that wagon.

I agree that TCP seems legit, though. He just gave Mag essentially the same read I did. Does that make him scummy? If not, why not?

I didn't OMGUS you, I said specifically the reads you gave were simplistic and easy to do and informed by logic that I think indicates wolf - alignment. However, the reason why TCP is more aligned to town are his interactions with players (post #248, #250, #252 all indicate he has been slowly deciding, based on interactions, where to head and simultaneously attempt to bring another player to see his way of thinking). These interactions also indicate the following:

if TCP is wolf, then light is unlikely to be wolf.

However, it indicates they are both town more than anything.


As for his read on Mag, I don't recall it at all. It's sort of irrelevant what his read on mag is, to me, when his other interactions have strong positive AI. The only reads on mag and light I'm worried about are ones that bring people to vote for them because, as of now, they are not the candidates I wish to be voted out day 1.

[Light_Yagami]

I Just Offered You A Valuable Hint Dont Let It Go To Waste.

[FrostByte]

if TCP is wolf, then light is unlikely to be wolf.

Can you elaborate? I don't follow. Why do you think they're unlikely to be partners?

As for his read on Mag, I don't recall it at all. It's sort of irrelevant what his read on mag is, to me, when his other interactions have strong positive AI. The only reads on mag and light I'm worried about are ones that bring people to vote for them because, as of now, they are not the candidates I wish to be voted out day 1.

It's relevant because it shows how inconsistent your reasoning has been. Half of the reasoning you gave for scum reading me is basically the same view one of your town reads has on Mag right now. If it's irrelevant for TCP then it should be irrelevant for me, too.

If you're only worried about the reads on Light which have produced votes on him then you shouldn't be worried about mine. Nobody has voted on him since I gave mine. I added pressure to him without giving scum the chance to jump in and turbo lynch.

The reason your scum read on me feels like OMGUS is because the reasons are inconsistent.

[FrostByte]

I Have Played Scum And Never Have I Bussed A Team Mate. The Closet Game That Could Be Is High Noon Saloon..

That Was My First Post Of That Game.

I'm actually a huge fan of music from that era. Stuff from people like Copland. Gorgeous. I struggled with a lot of Music History class but started to really enjoy studying the shit out of contemporary American music.

That wasn't much of a hard bus. It seems like you saw him going over and jumped on the wagon. That was a good move.

At the risk of you pocketing me I'm finding it harder and harder to see you being scum.

I need to find more godamn scum then.

You say MM's behavior thus far has been consistent with his scum meta. Is it the lurkiness? Or something else in particular?

And do you really think Mag is scummy for his tunnel on you? Obviously, from the perspective you're giving off, you're town and he's pushing you. You seem pretty sure it's not TvT though. Why?

[FrostByte]

A lot of the big moments in this soundtrack are similar. If you liked that theme you should like this stuff, too.

[Light_Yagami]

I'm actually a huge fan of music from that era. Stuff from people like Copland. Gorgeous. I struggled with a lot of Music History class but started to really enjoy studying the shit out of contemporary American music.

That wasn't much of a hard bus. It seems like you saw him going over and jumped on the wagon. That was a good move.

At the risk of you pocketing me I'm finding it harder and harder to see you being scum.

I need to find more godamn scum then.

You say MM's behavior thus far has been consistent with his scum meta. Is it the lurkiness? Or something else in particular?

And do you really think Mag is scummy for his tunnel on you? Obviously, from the perspective you're giving off, you're town and he's pushing you. You seem pretty sure it's not TvT though. Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA

[Light_Yagami]

Oops

[Light_Yagami]

In Regards To MM The Answer Is Yes Ive Played Enough With MM That To Understand His General Mannerisms To Form That Conclusion.

I Think S-FM Magoroth Is Scummy Because He Used The Word Yeet.

Yeet Is Not A Word Unless Using Urban Dictionary.

Urban Dictionary Is Not A Real Dictionary..

Honestly If I Was "Killer" Id Kill @S-FM Magoroth First.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

/exist

[bakermir]

/exist

MM I am voting you tomorrow if you don't give us scum by then :

[MartinGG99]

why did the vote-count get weirder while I was away for 14 hours or so

Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
Light_Yagami
Light_Yagami (3 [L-4]):
S-FM Magoroth, Kelli, Marshmallow Marshall
MartinGG99 (2 [L-5]):
Happymeal, bakermir
S-FM Magoroth (1 [L-6]):
MartinGG99
TCP (1 [L-6]):
Grayswandir
FrostByte (1 [L-6]):
Dark Magician
Auwt (1 [L-6]):
FrostByte
Kelli (1 [L-6]):
StarGunner

if votes moved ever so slightly (which they can in the future for all I know w/o context) then up to 8 people are looking like plausible lynches/eliminations today

at very least yall could've consolidated votes on me or light_yagami to get a higher-definition surprise Pikachu image

but with this rn we're likely not forcing scum/wolves to take hard stances and could possibly back-off without suspicion if they want to with a vote-count like this

[MartinGG99]

Because being defensive while being pushed is inherently trying to further your own position. Makes me think happymeal and martin are opposing alignments.

Well then I guess we have different definitions of "advancing one's position". Or at least consider different things for it.

To me, "advancing one's position" is more or less positioning oneself based on how other's flip, or actively pushing others so you're not the one being pushed. In other words, acts to try and gain "town cred" or "town points".

Defending oneself is often a necessity in Forum Mafia regardless of role or alignment and so I generally disregard viewing that as "advancing one's position", even if it is technically advancing one's own position, as NAI. Of course, there may be some slight nuances to this.

[MartinGG99]

position, and just view it as NAI.

Ebwop.

[MartinGG99]

I think Martin said something about trolls and gamethrowers or whatever and mentioned Zedus.
Yeah well uh FrostByte and Zedus are best friends and act very similar so I think both of them should go into the same place.

Just because one troll seems scummy (based on what I've said earlier about Magoroth), does not mean another person you (seemingly) view as a troll is automatically scum.

But fuck it I guess. Town for now I guess since you seemed more intent on grabbing the reasoning of someone on 2 votes instead of making your own reasons here; which doesn't make sense to me from a !wolf DM perspective.

[bakermir]

In Regards To MM The Answer Is Yes Ive Played Enough With MM That To Understand His General Mannerisms To Form That Conclusion.

I Think S-FM Magoroth Is Scummy Because He Used The Word Yeet.

Yeet Is Not A Word Unless Using Urban Dictionary.

Urban Dictionary Is Not A Real Dictionary..

Honestly If I Was "Killer" Id Kill @S-FM Magoroth First.

>vote skip
>open the pandora's box

I don't think you will get any sheep. Everyone is playing good.

[bakermir]

Just because one troll seems scummy (based on what I've said earlier about Magoroth), does not mean another person you (seemingly) view as a troll is automatically scum.

But fuck it I guess. Town for now I guess since you seemed more intent on grabbing the reasoning of someone on 2 votes instead of making your own reasons here; which doesn't make sense to me from a !wolf DM perspective.

btw I agree with DM, often there is one player that starts doing anti-town things on d1 and get multiple slots exposed. Like Mag's switcher claim lol We should never let such plays happen. I think vote skip can fall into the same category but then we got player meta here with Light_Yagami. So I would expect happymeal to react the way they did so I think both @Happymeal and @MartinGG99 needs to find each other, atleast for the time being.

-vote MartinGG99

[bakermir]

-unvote

sorry, meant to unvote*

[bakermir]

Honestly this push from Martin seems really dumb. Sorry for the bluntness but I just can’t restrain myself. Magoroth is obviously trolling and trying to seem something he’s not, and there’s some obvious personal issues between Light and Magoroth which is what is at play here. This push is dumb. I even bet it’s Villa vs Villa.

I would be much more inclined to scumread TCP.
Also, given that Kelli says Happymeal claims scum every game, I don’t think Kelli’s scum claim means anything. I would’ve said something about it but I didn’t want to break a self-imposed rule of only posting the bare minimum and keeping my cards close to the chest. Posting detracts from reading.

I support this post.


Also want to bring up

-vote Auwt

I do want that colorful reads wall

[MartinGG99]

For martin I have been leaning him scummy so far in the game, because I don't really agree with the logic that he had on locking light as his most confident town when he did with the gameplay he was pointing out as towny. I think that it's hard to take things like coming into the day and voting skip as so towny not to just slightly town read light but to lock him down and wanting to ride or die with him. It felt to me like he had TMI on light and thought that what light was doing was more towny than it actually was. There was another comment that made me feel this way because Martin also showed a strange shock to Happymeal putting gunner in scum, which made me think that gunner was being more towny than he actually was.

That's a misunderstanding or a misrepresentation.

I said he was my strongest early town read (see quotes at the bottom); that is:

1. A relative read

2. An early read

Presuming light did scummy stuff afterwards that would change, or there could be chances FOR OTHER PEOPLE to become a townier read. Being challenged on this almost right away from quite a few people seemed suspect to me and so I doubled down on my read because I want to make it clear that if I or he gets lynched it should be clear that the other is town as well by then.

Also do you really think for a guy who posts logic, regardless of whether you agree with it or not, is going to be so stupid as to lock someone town off a single post or the early game?

I can dig into defending Yagami more if you want. Out of all my early reads his I feel the strongest on.

Rn I'm thinking, based solely off of the early game so far,

Villagery
Light_Yagami

[MartinGG99]

Also I would like to point out

Why the fuck are the top two wagons are the top two D1 posters?




Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
Light_Yagami
Light_Yagami (3 [L-4]):
S-FM Magoroth, Kelli, Marshmallow Marshall
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Happymeal
S-FM Magoroth (1 [L-6]):
MartinGG99
Auwt (2 [L-5]):
bakermir, FrostByte
TCP (1 [L-6]):
Grayswandir
FrostByte (1 [L-6]):
Dark Magician
Kelli (1 [L-6]):
StarGunner

[bakermir]

Here Is My Basic Reads List.

Informed Minority.

S-FM Magoroth - Reason Should Be Obvious.

Marshmallow Marshall - Posted Twice Very Low Effort And Is Generally His Wolf Meta

Happymeal - For Reasons Previously Stated Seems Like Open Wolfing.

Kelli - Is Possible Wolf Playing Timid Trying To Pocket Happymeal

Uninformed Majority

Everyone Else

This Could Change But This Is Preliminary Reads. The Reason I Have 4 PPL In The Informed Minority Is Because The Way Them 4 Have Been Behaving/Interacting Just Seems Off.

I don't think I can agree with your S-FM Mag and Happymeal calls I think you are being a bit harsh here but I agree with your Kelli and MM reads to some degree. They did things that could lean them scum but no need to call people "Informed Minority" like how sure are you at this stage?? people have their styles I think this game is gonna be a good one

[MartinGG99]

Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
Light_Yagami
Light_Yagami (3 [L-4]):
S-FM Magoroth, Kelli, Marshmallow Marshall
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Happymeal
S-FM Magoroth (1 [L-6]):
MartinGG99
Auwt (2 [L-5]):
bakermir, FrostByte
TCP (1 [L-6]):
Grayswandir
FrostByte (1 [L-6]):
Dark Magician
Kelli (1 [L-6]):
StarGunner

Oh wait baker removed his vote on me

Sorry, didn't think it would change in the last few minutes

[bakermir]

I mean I’ve done it lots before and I’m doing it this game as well.

I think you are fine this game, just try to explain things a second time if they don't get it on first. don't just vote them/get aggressive m8

[MartinGG99]

I counted Light, Happy, Martin and Frostbyte giving him kinda free town reads, and I think from everyone's perspectives someone scummy has given him a free town read for little to no reason.

Tbh I only gave him a town-read because I didn't find anything paricuarly bad about his entrance.

I work on a "find-town" perspective, and when in some doubt I generally given town points unless I've already found everyone else in town, in which case I start raising the bar.

Though I'm not advocating to like me base on how I work though; I do the exact same thing as scum except I make it harder for myself to town-read people and when I do town-read them it often has a strategic purpose according my agenda.

Its kinda why I've held off on @bakermir for the most part since in my last scum-game with him I quickly established (what looked as) a hard town-read on him and trying to defend him for the sake of town points while still being controversial enough at times so that the question "Why has Martin not been night-killed yet?" is never really brought up. Him scum-reading or pushing me for my early interactions this game so far is not a surprise to me for him as either alignment.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I hope light is out doctor so that we get a really good mislynch today. I’ll call them the informed/uninformed.

My intention day 1 is to lynch uninformed PR and I think light is the perfect candidate.

1. Wants to skip

2. Is getting pinged out and being defensive


The only downside is that he’s not good at the game for suggested we sleep which means that keeping him alive helps the informed which makes me conflicted. If I keep him in then while I’m lynching uninformed PR, I’m also actively diminishing the chances of informed winning. This is a conundrum

Openwolfing levels: over 9000

I am instinctively tempted to townread this, but I logically know it's NAI. Anyway, I like Kelli's reaction (which is basically "what the hell are you saying" and "he does that kind of stuff every game, it's NAI").

[MartinGG99]

Can't tell if sincere towny paranoia or WIFOMing as town feeling pressure.

@MartinGG99 you seem to know Light well. How often does he employ WIFOM?

Well, I just happen to know light from reading a few games he was in.

I haven't played with him much admittedly, but honestly I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until proven (or shown reasonable evidence) otherwise.

I think thinking everyone voting him is informed is a bit stupid though given the vote-count; wolves would have a lucid dream distancing from each other in such an environment if they wanted to.

Honestly though I'm not an expert on wolves reacting to pressure so I could be wrong on this.

[MartinGG99]

So I though I would try to organize my thoughts and/or evaluate on a reads list by forcing them to be relative.

Light_Yagami
Happymeal
Frostbyte
Grayswandir
StarGunner
Kelli
Dark Magician
Bakermir
TCP
Auwt
Marshmallow Marshall
Magoroth

Well, this feels odd and overall wrong somehow. At least when its relative.

Quite a few of these placements could be / are problematic because I feel like some of those below are just ones I'm not paying attention to (Such as Auwt and his entrance could be said to be good) and/or just have low post-count, while others at the top (Happy Meal and Frostbyte) are conflicting with each other.

I think I need to do more things.

[bakermir]

Tbh I only gave him a town-read because I didn't find anything paricuarly bad about his entrance.

I work on a "find-town" perspective, and when in some doubt I generally given town points unless I've already found everyone else in town, in which case I start raising the bar.

Though I'm not advocating to like me base on how I work though; I do the exact same thing as scum except I make it harder for myself to town-read people and when I do town-read them it often has a strategic purpose according my agenda.

Its kinda why I've held off on @bakermir for the most part since in my last scum-game with him I quickly established (what looked as) a hard town-read on him and trying to defend him for the sake of town points while still being controversial enough at times so that the question "Why has Martin not been night-killed yet?" is never really brought up. Him scum-reading or pushing me for my early interactions this game so far is not a surprise to me for him as either alignment.

at the time I was biased with TR on you and kinda claimed it publicly that even if you are scum I will try to execute you last because of the offsite game, I wanted to give you a chance as scum to convince others but your partner was pegged since d1, it was unlucky for you but your pocket was really warm and cozy, thank you LOL


Also TCP posting that at the end of their post and disappearing after kinda pings me hard. What happened to the progression? Thanks for bringing up this quote

[MartinGG99]

Na it's a lot of fun, I'm enjoying myself, but we should really focus on finding the townies

@StarGunner

So who do you think is town?

It doesn't hurt to share at the moment; heck we could probably use it given the current situation with the vote-count.

[MartinGG99]

Also TCP posting that at the end of their post and disappearing after kinda pings me hard. What happened to the progression? Thanks for bringing up this quote

Tbh I didn't notice that lol