S-FM 212: Paired Mafia

[MiniZed]

What are you even talking about how can malicious savior kill me?

I got the roles wrong. Calm down Egghead.

[MiniZed]

Wait, why did I vote Matt again?

-vote Frog

[MattZed]

Fuck it. If MatZed is the scum then I hope the Malicious saviour takes his win and kills Eggy.

-vote MattZed

It could be worse. If you're doc and can't out-WIFOM the SK, then they could kill Titus instead. If you had lynched me and Mafia gets a kill, (say, SJ) then you could wake up tomorrow 4v2 and you still have to figure out the scum.

If you're not comfortable concluding Frog's alignment, then the game is not solved. You just need that one piece of information, but really, if you're SO intent on making FROG the exec, then ask yourself: Why is he phoning it in so hard? He hasn't given reasons to lynch me. I've been establishing myself as active so that when the time comes I could get rid of Frog.

EZ.

[MattZed]

Wait, why did I vote Matt again?

-vote Frog

Oh, you have come to your senses.

Ignore the post I just made, kek.

[MiniZed]

@Orpz
@SuperJack
@ThePrince
@Titus

Just vote. Sitting around doing nothing doesn't help us at all.

[Eggy]

@Titus @Orpz @prince @SuperJack you are all confirmed town come and vote frog lets get this madness over with

[Eggy]

@Orpz
@SuperJack
@ThePrince
@Titus

Just vote. Sitting around doing nothing doesn't help us at all.

damn beat me 2 it

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

What the fuck is this

[Titus]

group one

titus 1hp townie

me 2 hp townie

minized doctor

yuki scum/neut

duck scum/neut

group 2

mattzed exec

prince sheriff

oprz miller

SP 2 hp townie

frog scum

Why are you not pushing SP?

@MiniZed I am voting.

[Eggy]

there is nooo reason to keep this day going the game is mechanically solved

[MiniZed]

Why are you not pushing SP?

@MiniZed I am voting.

Vote FROG.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

-vote frog

[MiniZed]

-vote frog

Can you claim not DOCTOR so I don't need to deal with this? Or do you plan to 1v1 me?

[Eggy]

Why are you not pushing SP?

@MiniZed I am voting.

why would I be pushing SP he is confirmed town

[MiniZed]

Who is SP?

[Eggy]

Why are you not pushing SP?

@MiniZed I am voting.

why are you voting Mattzed dont be an idiot

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Can you claim not DOCTOR so I don't need to deal with this? Or do you plan to 1v1 me?

I claim the game is over, so end it.

[Eggy]

Who is SP?

super jack I mean SJ lol sory

[MiniZed]

I claim the game is over, so end it.

That really isn't a direct claim. I would rather see this done faster.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I am doctor!! Let me 1v1 unknown LOL yeah

[Titus]

why would I be pushing SP he is confirmed town

You cannot both be 2hp townies.

[Eggy]

@Titus @Orpz @ThePrince come vote mattzed

[MiniZed]

You cannot both be 2hp townies.

Different pools, confirmed roles. Sigh..

[Eggy]

You cannot both be 2hp townies.

yes we can we are both in a different group?

[Eggy]

did you even read the setup. He didnt even claim 2hp townie but I know he is by deduction because all the other town have been claimed and there is a 2hp townie in each group

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Guys frog is the real sheriff... He checked me and I'm obv town

[Eggy]

@Titus @Orpz @ThePrince come vote mattzed

vote frog* I mean mattzed is on our team basically

[Eggy]

Guys frog is the real sheriff... He checked me and I'm obv town

why are you trolling? stop

[Titus]

yes we can we are both in a different group?

Setup says all roles unique verbatim.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

why are you trolling? stop

Because the game is solved and one specific mechanic you will see soon is beyond dumb

[MiniZed]

Setup says all roles unique verbatim.

TWo hp townies are confirmed in setup.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Setup says all roles unique verbatim.

... Girl there are 2 cits

[MiniZed]

Because the game is solved and one specific mechanic you will see soon is beyond dumb

Is it because the neutral is taken out of game when he wins? LOL

[MattZed]

To @Orpz in particular:

If you're Malicious Savior millar, (which seems like a very good claim given that it correctly got the neuts and the existence of a sheriff, which is hard to guess) then you know SJ is town because him being scum would make too many liars. (himself, Prince for checking him, and me because I would have to be town faking exec for some deranged reason) Thus, the 3P and mafia in Group 2 are among Frog, Myself, and Prince, and the other is a positive utility.

I think it goes almost without saying that Frog is going to concede or fakeclaim sheriff. It would be completely illogical for him to CC neut because that would confirm the a town sheriff that can't be night killed in one night, and after my lynch he'd be screwed while sheriff would have had a chance to check a group 1 person. THE GROUP 2 MAFIA CANNOT WIN BY FAKE CLAIMING 3P AT THIS POINT.

So he claims sheriff, and either he or ThePrince is telling the truth. If you lynch me to combine the groups, then you have one group of 9. It's possible SK kills someone and mafia gets a kill as well, (ie: Mafia blocks doc, SK kills Titus, Mafia kills a 2HP) making tomorrow a 4v2 where you still don't know who your true sheriff is. Lynch the wrong person outside of the sheriff group and you're screwed, so you lynch a sheriff claim. If you mislynch, then Mafia kills the 2HP citizen because it looks like they have a consort now and can block the doc, and game over.

If you lynch Frog, however, I'm gone from the game as well because he's my target. If he's mafia, then there's basically no way you can lose at this point because you have a sheriff and too many confirmed roles. If he's town, then the worst case scenario is that you wake up tomorrow 3v2 (2 kills and SK being removed from play) with Prince confirmed mafia. You lynch him and then MAYBE lose a town to a night kill. (which is less likely now because consort may be dead, or it may be they can't night kill and block at the same time) Then you just have to lynch from group 1.

tl;dr You do not gain a guaranteed win by killing me, as you still need to figure out Frog's alignment. In fact, because he has the possibility of being a consort, your win chances improve by possibly saving either your doc or sheriff from being roleblocked.

[Eggy]

Setup says all roles unique verbatim.

you really arent tht bright open the setup look at the groups what is the first thing you see

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Is it because the neutral is taken out of game when he wins? LOL

Was more the exes target being mafia

[Titus]

Blah. Seriously, mod should not contradict himself.

A riddler role as a neutral would be awesome.

-vote Frog

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Can we concede town has beyond auto

[SuperJack]

Blah. Seriously, mod should not contradict himself.

A riddler role as a neutral would be awesome.

-vote Frog

I remember that game LOL

[MiniZed]

Teeeheeee. If we concede then Yuki can't win. I.O

[Eggy]

@Orpz @ThePrince come hammer

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Teeeheeee. If we concede then Yuki can't win. I.O

Knew you were tpr like 5 minutes in

[MiniZed]

@Titus I love you for how many times you said me and MattZed were conf scum. It made my day(s)

[MiniZed]

Knew you were tpr like 5 minutes in

When Titus claimed she made that one pretty obvious.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I'm role locking yuki just end the game after frog dies plz

[MiniZed]

Honestly, I'm a little upset. I was going to claim 1 hp townie and tell the Doctor not to reveal, but now realizing who the 1hp Townie was she probably would have CC'd me. that's annoying.

[MiniZed]

I need to throw some gambits.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

When Titus claimed she made that one pretty obvious.

I thought yuki would kill Titus... I rb you and didn't realize I can't kill if they have 3hp

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Perhaps killing eggy was correct then meh

[Eggy]

this game was very unbalanced mass claim solves the game...