S-FM 206: POLITICO

[Eggy]

I think oops is the best lynch for today. Because gyrlander is not going anywhere and I doubt cares enough to find a way to convince us he is town. Oops on the other hand seems more sneaky and judging on how the day is going seems like he might be able to actually convimce you people he is town... he is definately a bigger imediate threat.

-vote oops_ur_dead

[Eggy]

My town reads are unknown, mesk, firebringer, brendan amd kovath basically in that order. I find NU trying desperately to push the lynch on brendan to save his ass kind of confirms brendan as being town despite my previous thoughts. And firebringer was first person to say NU was scum I dont see that as bussing would be too ridiculous of a move. Kovath is town in my eyes but is least confirmed for me. I suggest we lynch in this order oops, gyrl, spruance, gamefreak im 100% sure they are the only.possible last scum

[Kovath]

This is where he explained his reasoning for his vote.

Oh, ok. I guess setup spec only goes so far, heh.

Are people seriously interacting with Calix's LW and just agreeing with most of it, or are they just ignoring it? Pretty much no one is commenting on it, and I know that annoyed the hell out of me as Lucio in OW.

[Eggy]

Sorry for not being present for the begging of the day but this game seems like an open and shut case to me. If town doesnt win ill be truly shocked. Calix layed a truly well thought out foundation for us to fallow(change if necessary) to ensure a town victory. For the reasons I stated above oops seems the more cunning of the 2(oops & gylr) so he really should be the first target. There might only be 2 scum after all(but I highly doubt it honestly judging off of everyones play.)

[Eggy]

Oh, ok. I guess setup spec only goes so far, heh.

Are people seriously interacting with Calix's LW and just agreeing with most of it, or are they just ignoring it? Pretty much no one is commenting on it, and I know that annoyed the hell out of me as Lucio in OW.

I find calix last will is pretty dead on all I think is missing is the fourth potential scum member(gamefreak)

[Eggy]

I personally dont think there is much left to discuss the lynches seem pretty obvious.

[Kovath]

I find calix last will is pretty dead on all I think is missing is the fourth potential scum member(gamefreak)

I skimmed through your ISO and in D1 you said that you were sort of townreading GF - where did this change, or can you just explain more about why he's in your scumpool now? (Sorry if I missed somewhere)

[Eggy]

Well first off he didnt say all that much. And to the best part of my knowledge he was one of the only ppl who did not scum read NU or vote for him. For this reason I have him as "possible scum" at the bottom of the scum pile.

[Eggy]

Its based mostly of his lack of interactions with NU.

[Kovath]

I think oops is the best lynch for today. Because gyrlander is not going anywhere and I doubt cares enough to find a way to convince us he is town. Oops on the other hand seems more sneaky and judging on how the day is going seems like he might be able to actually convimce you people he is town... he is definately a bigger imediate threat.

-vote oops_ur_dead

Not that I disagree with the lynch choice, but doesn't this logic only really work if committing yourself to lynching Gyrlander tomorrow? There will always be a "more cunning" and "better" target than him, that's the nature of his shitpost trolling.

[Spruance]

Oh wait mb. Never Unlucky is dead. I was right though that he scum slipped cus he was scum

-vote GameFreak

movin on.

[Kovath]

Oh wait mb. Never Unlucky is dead. I was right though that he scum slipped cus he was scum

-vote GameFreak

movin on.

Got anything more to add, lol?

[Brendan]

-vote oops_ur_dead

I'm ok with this ::

[Kovath]

Is everyone just sheeping the oops train or is someone going to say something original LOL

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[oops_ur_dead]

1.) Refuses to give reads.

I've given all the thoughts I have. I'm not going to post baseless speculation.

2.) His associations with NU is beyond normal, I HIGHLY SUGGEST CHECKING what Calix and I said.

I have no defense against this because it's based on NU's actions and not my own.

3.) Has done nothing to help the town, won't even ask questions.

I've asked a few questions and given reasoning. Please read my posts.

4.) his vote is based on pure selfishness, and if it isn't he really has no argument.

Firebringer's original scumread on me was on a super sketchy basis assuming he's telling the truth about it, and his flip-flopping is on an even shakier platform.

Also, take a look at oops's role-fishing throughout the entire game, and when he thinks it's a good idea. He also revealed both Congressman, which have negative effects, on purpose.

All of my reveals were based on purpose, if you read my previous theory on what's going on this game with the night actions. I did not reveal both congressmen, Gyr revealed himself.

Oops: You've focused heavily on using setup to draw conclusions, do you have any reads on players at all? (Also, lol when pointing out Calix used NU to make reads on you when you didn't really offer anything yourself to read from...) Also, why are you voting FB for that comment?

Nothing other than the FB read. I'm voting FB because I want to push him. I posted something that was very obviously a sarcastic joke, in response to NU claiming he's obviously town. Even if I had been serious, it would hardly be a good scum read. But given that at the moment I was the shittiest player, my suspicion is that FB thought that he could quickly get a train on me without having to explain himself. Once I started contributing, he quickly backtracked, despite me hardly proving myself as town.

I've changed my mind about not having any reads. At this point I find it weird that Unknown is pushing a lynch on me so hard. He's ignoring posts and reasonings that I've made and basing the bulk of his accusations on me based off of what NU said, not based off what I said. I still would like the SA to claim, and if that doesn't happen then I think it's likely that SA and possibly Governor are scum, but if the SA is innocent I would push a lynch on Unknown.

I would still like for the SA to claim and explain themselves.

[Unknown1234]

Oh wait mb. Never Unlucky is dead. I was right though that he scum slipped cus he was scum

-vote GameFreak

movin on.

oops_ur_dead and Spruance. Could it be this easy?

[Unknown1234]

I've given all the thoughts I have. I'm not going to post baseless speculation.



I have no defense against this because it's based on NU's actions and not my own.



I've asked a few questions and given reasoning. Please read my posts.



Firebringer's original scumread on me was on a super sketchy basis assuming he's telling the truth about it, and his flip-flopping is on an even shakier platform.



All of my reveals were based on purpose, if you read my previous theory on what's going on this game with the night actions. I did not reveal both congressmen, Gyr revealed himself.



Nothing other than the FB read. I'm voting FB because I want to push him. I posted something that was very obviously a sarcastic joke, in response to NU claiming he's obviously town. Even if I had been serious, it would hardly be a good scum read. But given that at the moment I was the shittiest player, my suspicion is that FB thought that he could quickly get a train on me without having to explain himself. Once I started contributing, he quickly backtracked, despite me hardly proving myself as town.

I've changed my mind about not having any reads. At this point I find it weird that Unknown is pushing a lynch on me so hard. He's ignoring posts and reasonings that I've made and basing the bulk of his accusations on me based off of what NU said, not based off what I said. I still would like the SA to claim, and if that doesn't happen then I think it's likely that SA and possibly Governor are scum, but if the SA is innocent I would push a lynch on Unknown.

I would still like for the SA to claim and explain themselves.

If you're telling me you have no thoughts on any other people then yes, there is something wrong.

Care to comment on why you think he did this? Either way, the argument is still strong regardless of whether you can defend it. Similar things happened to me in OW when WM and Zenyatta left hints on me being last town, still strong argument.

I've read your posts, and you have said very little that could be beneficial. If you are satisfied with what you've said, then I hope you are proud of what you've done.

I hope I don't need to outline this, but you are doing EXACTLY what NU did. You are SPECIFICALLY focusing on one persons actions, not anyone else. Have you noticed this? Not to mention you don't consider anything else, which includes the fact that Firebringer has done more town plays then you have. Look at everything, not just one small point that others have done.

You called ME out on being Congressman, and you asked the third one to come out. Don't act stupid, if you SERIOUSLY think revealing roles is a good thing, then you are highly mistaken. There was NO reason to reveal, as it literally does nothing to impact your role. IMO the scum is still looking for Governor, because I believe they are town, so if you aren't scum then this was just stupid and reckless.

Last post is doing what NU did, wow you two must have been coordinated. I don't know why you find it "suspicious" that I'm pushing you. If you think you are acting pro-town, then you should probably take a good look at yourself again. I don't understand why you bring this up only suddenly, and not sooner, it was only when people join your train that you try to discredit someone who is vocally against you.

Your play is terrible. Provide some reads or something, or you are doing nothing for town of you are town.

[Spruance]

oops_ur_dead and Spruance. Could it be this easy?

bruh I got one and you didn't do nothin. If anything it's oops and unknown

[Brendan]

I've given all the thoughts I have. I'm not going to post baseless speculation.



I have no defense against this because it's based on NU's actions and not my own.



I've asked a few questions and given reasoning. Please read my posts.



Firebringer's original scumread on me was on a super sketchy basis assuming he's telling the truth about it, and his flip-flopping is on an even shakier platform.



All of my reveals were based on purpose, if you read my previous theory on what's going on this game with the night actions. I did not reveal both congressmen, Gyr revealed himself.



Nothing other than the FB read. I'm voting FB because I want to push him. I posted something that was very obviously a sarcastic joke, in response to NU claiming he's obviously town. Even if I had been serious, it would hardly be a good scum read. But given that at the moment I was the shittiest player, my suspicion is that FB thought that he could quickly get a train on me without having to explain himself. Once I started contributing, he quickly backtracked, despite me hardly proving myself as town.

I've changed my mind about not having any reads. At this point I find it weird that Unknown is pushing a lynch on me so hard. He's ignoring posts and reasonings that I've made and basing the bulk of his accusations on me based off of what NU said, not based off what I said. I still would like the SA to claim, and if that doesn't happen then I think it's likely that SA and possibly Governor are scum, but if the SA is innocent I would push a lynch on Unknown.

I would still like for the SA to claim and explain themselves.

Unknown is p much confirmed in my book m8

[Brendan]

bruh I got one and you didn't do nothin. If anything it's oops and unknown

[Spruance]

u just jealous cus I am finding more scum than you

[Unknown1234]

bruh I got one and you didn't do nothin. If anything it's oops and unknown

You literally didn't get one, LMAO. Keep trying to not contribute buddy.

[Unknown1234]

Spruance and oops both team up and start to turn on me. That's cute.

[Kovath]

I've changed my mind about not having any reads. At this point I find it weird that Unknown is pushing a lynch on me so hard. He's ignoring posts and reasonings that I've made and basing the bulk of his accusations on me based off of what NU said, not based off what I said. I still would like the SA to claim, and if that doesn't happen then I think it's likely that SA and possibly Governor are scum, but if the SA is innocent I would push a lynch on Unknown.

Can you elaborate more on this paragraph? Why does him pushing a lynch on you seem weird, why do you think it's scummy in particular (especially when he could probably have tried to push it through yesterday instead of NU despite not having a vote)? Do you think that your own contributions offer town perspective for Unknown to read over, or rather than, the NU association? I think that a lot of your setup speculation is NAI at best, for instance, even ignoring the Congressman claim which I'm yet to decide on.

[oops_ur_dead]

If you're telling me you have no thoughts on any other people then yes, there is something wrong.

FUCK.

Care to comment on why you think he did this? Either way, the argument is still strong regardless of whether you can defend it. Similar things happened to me in OW when WM and Zenyatta left hints on me being last town, still strong argument.

I think he did it to incriminate a random town member and waste our time. He did a good job with that. Either that or he was trying to play buddy buddy with me so I wouldnt vote him.

I've read your posts, and you have said very little that could be beneficial. If you are satisfied with what you've said, then I hope you are proud of what you've done.

Thanks I am very proud.

I hope I don't need to outline this, but you are doing EXACTLY what NU did. You are SPECIFICALLY focusing on one persons actions, not anyone else. Have you noticed this? Not to mention you don't consider anything else, which includes the fact that Firebringer has done more town plays then you have. Look at everything, not just one small point that others have done.

I don't see how voting Firebringer and asking him to explain his reasoning is analogous to what NU did. Need I remind you that literally the first post in this thread was Calix voting a person and pushing them for info. Firebringer did something sketchy af that I'm sure anyone would agree is sketchy af, and I'm pushing him to explain himself. He still hasn't. How do you think that's weird?

Maybe other have said other shit that's sketchy. You, for instance. But tbh I probably skimmed over it.

You called ME out on being Congressman, and you asked the third one to come out. Don't act stupid, if you SERIOUSLY think revealing roles is a good thing, then you are highly mistaken. There was NO reason to reveal, as it literally does nothing to impact your role. IMO the scum is still looking for Governor, because I believe they are town, so if you aren't scum then this was just stupid and reckless.

Why do you think governor is town?

Last post is doing what NU did, wow you two must have been coordinated. I don't know why you find it "suspicious" that I'm pushing you. If you think you are acting pro-town, then you should probably take a good look at yourself again. I don't understand why you bring this up only suddenly, and not sooner, it was only when people join your train that you try to discredit someone who is vocally against you.

Yeah definitely, we're synchronizing our actions pretty nicely. I look to his posts for inspiration in life.

Your play is terrible. Provide some reads or something, or you are doing nothing for town of you are town.

Here are some reads. I didn't feel the need to overanalyze everything, so I just popped some memes into random.org so it should be just as accurate.

Living Players	Read
@Kovath @GameFreak @Gyrlander @Unknown1234 @Brendan @Spruance @Mesk514 @Eggy @Firebringer @oops_ur_dead	Scum Scum/Town Town Town Afk Quantum Scum Town, but immigrated Town? Self-identifying town Town????????

[Mesk514]

are you saying I'm an immigrant?

[oops_ur_dead]

Can you elaborate more on this paragraph? Why does him pushing a lynch on you seem weird, why do you think it's scummy in particular (especially when he could probably have tried to push it through yesterday instead of NU despite not having a vote)? Do you think that your own contributions offer town perspective for Unknown to read over, or rather than, the NU association? I think that a lot of your setup speculation is NAI at best, for instance, even ignoring the Congressman claim which I'm yet to decide on.

I don't think he's scum just yet because I think the SA is more likely to be scum. In my eyes, he's accusing me of things that I can't defend myself against because it was based on what other people did, or on things that don't really show me as town or scum. I think that he's trying to strongly push his association with Calix, a confirmed town, so that should I flip town, he can offload part of the guilt from mislynching me onto Calix's opinion as outlined in her last will.

[Gyrlander]

I think oops is the best lynch for today. Because gyrlander is not going anywhere and I doubt cares enough to find a way to convince us he is town. Oops on the other hand seems more sneaky and judging on how the day is going seems like he might be able to actually convimce you people he is town... he is definately a bigger imediate threat.

-vote oops_ur_dead

You read it guys, the new meta. Just be so fucking scummy so that people don't vote you because they're convinced that you won't be able to change their minds. This is the new type of play that will guarantee you wins making you:

-Not be mislynched as Town Congressman

-Make you live for a little longer as a Omnic.

[Unknown1234]

FUCK.



I think he did it to incriminate a random town member and waste our time. He did a good job with that. Either that or he was trying to play buddy buddy with me so I wouldnt vote him.



Thanks I am very proud.



I don't see how voting Firebringer and asking him to explain his reasoning is analogous to what NU did. Need I remind you that literally the first post in this thread was Calix voting a person and pushing them for info. Firebringer did something sketchy af that I'm sure anyone would agree is sketchy af, and I'm pushing him to explain himself. He still hasn't. How do you think that's weird?

Maybe other have said other shit that's sketchy. You, for instance. But tbh I probably skimmed over it.



Why do you think governor is town?



Yeah definitely, we're synchronizing our actions pretty nicely. I look to his posts for inspiration in life.



Here are some reads. I didn't feel the need to overanalyze everything, so I just popped some memes into random.org so it should be just as accurate.

Living Players	Read
@Kovath @GameFreak @Gyrlander @Unknown1234 @Brendan @Spruance @Mesk514 @Eggy @Firebringer @oops_ur_dead	Scum Scum/Town Town Town Afk Quantum Scum Town, but immigrated Town? Self-identifying town Town????????

Good to see you are working on that.

Really? He also said I was a high contributor then decided to take away my vote. I'm 95% sure he did NOT think that far ahead.

Didn't you say you were done not having reads?

You are way too focused on a vote, and the funny part is Firebringer had the choice to vote Brendan and hammer him, but instead he actually decided to vote NU as the scum instead. You didn't even look at that vote, which proves my point. You can't even analyze everything he's said, just a few posts. Show me how he's scum fro. Other posts then.

Setup spec, I'm assuming SA is scum, so I don't expect the team to be: Judge, States Attorney, Governor. I also haven't seen any reason to believe they're scum, and since I still don't know who they are there is no reason for me to believe they're scum.

The sad part is, I actually wouldn't be surprised by the way you've been playing.

Wow, aren't you clever. I can see how you are trying so hard, and I'm starting to town-read you. (Obvious Sarcasm)

Like I said to NU, if you are town this is sad.

[Unknown1234]

are you saying I'm an immigrant?

Hi Mesk. Could you respond to Calix's last will and my oops posts?

[Unknown1234]

You read it guys, the new meta. Just be so fucking scummy so that people don't vote you because they're convinced that you won't be able to change their minds. This is the new type of play that will guarantee you wins making you:

-Not be mislynched as Town Congressman

-Make you live for a little longer as a Omnic.

I actually hope you get shot by a Vigilante every game I play with you from now on. Sad part is, you aren't the scummiest Congressman, not that it matters.

[Brendan]

FUCK.



I think he did it to incriminate a random town member and waste our time. He did a good job with that. Either that or he was trying to play buddy buddy with me so I wouldnt vote him.



Thanks I am very proud.



I don't see how voting Firebringer and asking him to explain his reasoning is analogous to what NU did. Need I remind you that literally the first post in this thread was Calix voting a person and pushing them for info. Firebringer did something sketchy af that I'm sure anyone would agree is sketchy af, and I'm pushing him to explain himself. He still hasn't. How do you think that's weird?

Maybe other have said other shit that's sketchy. You, for instance. But tbh I probably skimmed over it.



Why do you think governor is town?



Yeah definitely, we're synchronizing our actions pretty nicely. I look to his posts for inspiration in life.



Here are some reads. I didn't feel the need to overanalyze everything, so I just popped some memes into random.org so it should be just as accurate.

Living Players	Read
@Kovath @GameFreak @Gyrlander @Unknown1234 @Brendan @Spruance @Mesk514 @Eggy @Firebringer @oops_ur_dead	Scum Scum/Town Town Town Afk Quantum Scum Town, but immigrated Town? Self-identifying town Town????????

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[Kovath]

You read it guys, the new meta. Just be so fucking scummy so that people don't vote you because they're convinced that you won't be able to change their minds. This is the new type of play that will guarantee you wins making you:

-Not be mislynched as Town Congressman

-Make you live for a little longer as a Omnic.

Like seriously dude, are you asking for your sig to come into effect already?

[Mesk514]

Hi Mesk. Could you respond to Calix's last will and my oops posts?

I'll respond to what I want to respond too... you're not the boss of me!

oh and a voter could be scum, i never said one couldn't but even if one of the voters is scum I'd hope that the Congressman come to that conclusion amongst themselves as opposed to us (the uninformed) trying to figure it out.



oops is k, but i have him as a variable with brendan... and i don't think brendan is scum... if I'm not getting a gyrlander lynch I'm placing my vote on game freak, but oops is okay for now.



Gyrlander should be the obvious lynch for today...

[oops_ur_dead]

Good to see you are working on that.

Really? He also said I was a high contributor then decided to take away my vote. I'm 95% sure he did NOT think that far ahead.

Didn't you say you were done not having reads?

You are way too focused on a vote, and the funny part is Firebringer had the choice to vote Brendan and hammer him, but instead he actually decided to vote NU as the scum instead. You didn't even look at that vote, which proves my point. You can't even analyze everything he's said, just a few posts. Show me how he's scum fro. Other posts then.

Setup spec, I'm assuming SA is scum, so I don't expect the team to be: Judge, States Attorney, Governor. I also haven't seen any reason to believe they're scum, and since I still don't know who they are there is no reason for me to believe they're scum.

The sad part is, I actually wouldn't be surprised by the way you've been playing.

Wow, aren't you clever. I can see how you are trying so hard, and I'm starting to town-read you. (Obvious Sarcasm)

Like I said to NU, if you are town this is sad.

Why are you so convinced that there are 3 scum?

Why wouldn't you expect the team to be Judge, SA, and Governor?

If your assumptions are to be believed, then the remaining scum are me (confirmed congressman) and the SA. Explain, then, why the SA would have done last night's kill rather than me?

[Unknown1234]

MESK, it's obvious you haven't taken a look into oops. If you have, it helps if you respond so I can see why you won't vote him.

[Brendan]

Why are you so convinced that there are 3 scum?

Why wouldn't you expect the team to be Judge, SA, and Governor?

If your assumptions are to be believed, then the remaining scum are me (confirmed congressman) and the SA. Explain, then, why the SA would have done last night's kill rather than me?

i already did bro

[Unknown1234]

Why are you so convinced that there are 3 scum?

Why wouldn't you expect the team to be Judge, SA, and Governor?

If your assumptions are to be believed, then the remaining scum are me (confirmed congressman) and the SA. Explain, then, why the SA would have done last night's kill rather than me?

Personal belief, the game feels unbalanced if there are only two scum.

Also seems unbalanced, not completely impossible but given I scum-read you its out of the question right now.

Why do you say "confirmed congressman" as if it matters? You literally point out the dumbest things to make you seem more town. Although, I do find it interesting that you didn't consider the theory of the SA putting a vote on Calix.

[Unknown1234]

i already did bro

You're claiming SA, or this makes no sense.

[oops_ur_dead]

Why do you say "confirmed congressman" as if it matters? You literally point out the dumbest things to make you seem more town. Although, I do find it interesting that you didn't consider the theory of the SA putting a vote on Calix.

???

Hold on one second.

If the States Attorney targets a player who was night-killed, does their vote not show up at all the next day?

First is that SA and governor are scum, or possibly SA on their own. This could be the case whatever the answer to the host question I asked earlier is, however if night actions still show up on dead players then this is almost certainly the case. In this situation, all that's left is to find the SA and governor.

The second case is the opposite, that anyone except the SA and governor could be scum. This would happen if the SA happened to target Calix last night and night actions on dead players don't show up. This would suck.

[Gyrlander]

I don't think there is any evil Congressman. I think States Attorney ability + not making people know he's scum is infinitely more important than "the fear to not be able to talk in the shitty Congressman Chat for 1 night.". Therefore, I town-read oops.

[Mesk514]

MESK, it's obvious you haven't taken a look into oops. If you have, it helps if you respond so I can see why you won't vote him.

Please stop talking, you're making me want to start drinking. you're annoying as fuck today. Happy Birthday.

[oops_ur_dead]

Please stop talking, you're making me want to start drinking.

Are you implying that, at some point while playing this game, you stopped drinking?

[Mesk514]

Are you implying that, at some point while playing this game, you stopped drinking?

i had too, i'm known to rage and I don't feel like racking up any infractions so this game I started permabaked, but now it's too late. I've already got the whiskey ready to go.

[Cryptonic]

Hold on one second.

If the States Attorney targets a player who was night-killed, does their vote not show up at all the next day?

I missed this, only saw it cause it was quoted >_>


If the SA targets someone who died, their vote will not show up @ the start of the day.

[Brendan]

You're claiming SA, or this makes no sense.

???????????????????????????? ::

[Eggy]

Gyrl is not a threat. I am very confident that no matter what oops flips we can just lynch him tommorow thats why my vote is stayin on oops for now. Also spruance is getting some serious scum points. I think its very possible that he fake voted NU after he knew he was dead because he thought that would get him town points (which is seriously stupid if you ask me)

[Brendan]

I don't think there is any evil Congressman. I think States Attorney ability + not making people know he's scum is infinitely more important than "the fear to not be able to talk in the shitty Congressman Chat for 1 night.". Therefore, I town-read oops.

?????? he would still be able to talk in the chat???????????

[Gyrlander]

If after reading #741 you still think that oops is scum, you can go jump off a plane. <3

[Gyrlander]

?????? he would still be able to talk in the chat???????????

Earlier someone mentioned that oops didn't perform the night action as CG because he was afraid of losing the Night Chat. Even if that was incorrect, after the post you just quoted I've destroyed that reasoning.

Either SA is Good or CG is Good.