S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread

[Varcron]

I used to think this was further evidence Banana was JK.

However, a lot of his actions could be interpreted as townie in hindsight. For example, I think he's actually scumhunting now?? There was something about his recent posts (disclaimer, I'm currently caught up to page 172) that didn't seem scummy.

Wait, probably just more shitposts lol.

He is scumhunting from what I can tell.

[theoneceko]

One of two things is true:

1) I am jester king and wanted to die. If this scenario is true, you have no reason to lynch me. Let me exist, maybe the neutral scum thinks I'm jester king, maybe they think I'm doctor. Theres 4 further scenarios here.

a) They think Im jester but Im doc. They dont attack me. I'm allowed to heal all day every day

b) They think Im doc and Im doc. Im eventually attacked, and killed. No harm no foul, you see me flip doctor and analyze my stances finally.

c) They think Im jester king and im jester king. I exist til the end game. Maybe I live. Maybe I die. You probably eventually lynch me. Treecko shrieks in delight for being right.

d) they think Im doc and Im jester king. They attack me. I die. You laugh all day about how I almost won by 1 last second vote but now I lose alone.

Now lets consider the other thing that could be true:

2) I am doc. I scumread Pringles but as the lynch got closer to the end I genuinely felt doubt in that scumread due to the reactions I was seeing from him. I express this doubt. I do everything in my power to shift the votes off of what I view as a mislynch onto another person that isnt Pringles and that isnt Banana. I figure if it has to come down to the 2 of us Id rather die, because my role is to SAVE ANOTHER TOWN PLAYER. My action is at night, but THAT IS MY ACTUAL LITERAL JOB. So I'm willing to die to sacrifice myself to save what I viewed as a town player. I was wrong - because either MY TOWN GAME IS SHIT AND IM BAD AT READING PEOPLE AND MY DAY 1 READS IN PARTICULAR ARE ALWAYS BAD - or perhaps Pringles got a green rolecard and didnt know he was scum - in that instance my read was RIGHT. But we dont know. But thats why I did it. I was fulfilling my role.

There is no scenario 3) banana is neutral evil. I would have lost on being lynched. You could argue that I gambled and that my gamble paid off - but bro thats literally a gamethrow to taunt without voting Pringles if I was neutral evil as my death instantly puts this game into a L for me. So if you're willing to believe I'd gamethrow, something I've NEVER done in forum mafia (with an extensive i dunno like 50+ game career?) then by all means believe I'm evil.

1. This doesn't sound like scum Banana.
2. @BananaCucho check the bolded text in the quote. I haven't hurled insults your way last game or this game. Casting doubts on my playstyle can be considered strategic gameplay, but you crossed the line for me at this point. I know you think I'm a bad player, thanks to your 30 or so posts claiming this. Since I finally townread you, can you please shut the fuck up?

[SuperJack]

What if I'm cult

[BananaCucho]

1. This doesn't sound like scum Banana.
2. @BananaCucho check the bolded text in the quote. I haven't hurled insults your way last game or this game. Casting doubts on my playstyle can be considered strategic gameplay, but you crossed the line for me at this point. I know you think I'm a bad player, thanks to your 30 or so posts claiming this. Since I finally townread you, can you please shut the fuck up?

No. I will not be silenced.

[SuperJack]

No. I will not be silenced.

Wanna destroy the day chat together?

[BananaCucho]

Wanna destroy the day chat together?

Yes but Im watching the survivor finale. Honestly I have no idea whats going on rn lol

[BananaCucho]

I'm open to suggestions on another lynch if Sen wont happen. Like Treecko or Vaccuum maybe.

Not Jack though

[Varcron]

I'm open to suggestions on another lynch if Sen wont happen. Like Treecko or Vaccuum maybe.

Not Jack though

Meh, instead of twiddling thumbs I'll leave my vote off and wait for other input

-vote unvote

[Varcron]

Meh, instead of twiddling thumbs I'll leave my vote off and wait for other input

-vote unvote

I need to read which train is scum driven, and then I'll decide from there.

[theoneceko]

Dude why would you bus Varcron.
Did you bus Varcron? Possible witch in yzb/SJ/ceko

There's no evidence of a Witch in this setup yet. Are you really going to believe SP is Vigilante when only one Neutral Killing died this game?

[theoneceko]

He is scumhunting from what I can tell.

Can you expand on this?

[theoneceko]

By the way, I'm only ten pages behind (finally)

Time to play some Overwatch.

[theoneceko]

Can you expand on this?

Most of what he said recently was shitposts, which irritates me (I'll admit that I'm being hypocritical, since I shitpost virtually everywhere except here). Even though I just read through another 100 of his posts, I didn't find anything valuable from them.

[BananaCucho]

Most of what he said recently was shitposts, which irritates me (I'll admit that I'm being hypocritical, since I shitpost virtually everywhere except here). Even though I just read through another 100 of his posts, I didn't find anything valuable from them.

Can you expand on this?

[BananaCucho]

Meh, instead of twiddling thumbs I'll leave my vote off and wait for other input

-vote unvote

Bro why you do wishy washy

[BananaCucho]

Bro why you do wishy washy

So*

[secondpassing]

-vote Varcron

Since no one else is claiming a Sen visit. I'm assuming this is the last scum.

[secondpassing]

-vote Varcron

Since no one else is claiming a Sen visit. I'm assuming this is the last scum.

Our "BG" is not supposed to have left feedback.

[Light_Yagami]

Our "BG" is not supposed to have left feedback.

Doctor Would Correct?

[Light_Yagami]

Also MM Claimed An Investigative Role As Well If I Recall Correctly..

[Sen]

Our "BG" is not supposed to have left feedback.

What do you mean?

Not saying that he's confirmed as such, but the Bodyguard is one of the roles that leave visitation feedback.

[Sen]

Doctor Would Correct?

No.

[Sen]

Also MM Claimed An Investigative Role As Well If I Recall Correctly..

MM claimed Sleuth.

[Light_Yagami]

By the way, I'm only ten pages behind (finally)

Time to play some Overwatch.

I Also Play Overwatch

[Varcron]

-vote Varcron

Since no one else is claiming a Sen visit. I'm assuming this is the last scum.

Wrong, BG leaves visitation feedback.

[Light_Yagami]

MM claimed Sleuth.

Well I Also Received Feed Back That Sherlock Holmes Visited Me And It Was In A Town Like Color..

[Light_Yagami]

Well I Also Received Feed Back That Sherlock Holmes Visited Me And It Was In A Town Like Color..

And It Stated That Renegade Was A Fellow Insane.. So Maybe The Word Insane Was What Was Meant To Be Green..

[Sen]

Also MM Claimed An Investigative Role As Well If I Recall Correctly..

I mean, MM asked you to confirm him and you unvoted him right after, so it was already assumed that you had Sleuth feedback.

[BananaCucho]

Wrong, BG leaves visitation feedback.

I got no feedback from you

[BananaCucho]

-vote Varcron

[Light_Yagami]

I mean, MM asked you to confirm him and you unvoted him right after, so it was already assumed that you had Sleuth feedback.

Honestly It Came Late The Data..

[Varcron]

-vote Varcron

Huh?

[Varcron]

I'm so confused right now.

[Sen]

Honestly It Came Late The Data..

The Sleuth can PM the host during the day to inform the players of his findings. MM is pretty much confirmed unless you're on a cult team with him.

[Light_Yagami]

The Sleuth can PM the host during the day to inform the players of his findings. MM is pretty much confirmed unless you're on a cult team with him.

Naw He Is Confirmed Sleuth Not Defending The Slot.. But As Neutral Role Can He Win With Town?

[Sen]

Naw He Is Confirmed Sleuth Not Defending The Slot.. But As Neutral Role Can He Win With Town?

Yes. Executioners, Sleuths and Jesters can win with the town, that's why I've been saying that benigns should side with the town if they expect to win, as we can grant or deny them their win conditions at will, while having them siding with us helps us, so it's a win-win scenario for this partnership to exist.

[secondpassing]

I'm so confused right now.

You honestly can't be pretending right now. Interesting how you aren't already voting Banana to counter.

[Varcron]

You honestly can't be pretending right now. Interesting how you aren't already voting Banana to counter.

I'm not pretending, I'm just confused as to why he would claim something that outlandish.

-vote BananaCucho

[Varcron]

You honestly can't be pretending right now. Interesting how you aren't already voting Banana to counter.

I have one person claiming that they had feedback from me, and another person claiming they had no feedback from me.

[BananaCucho]

I'm not pretending, I'm just confused as to why he would claim something that outlandish.

-vote BananaCucho

You visited me n1 but didnt leave feedback

[BananaCucho]

Amd Galeon DIDNT ROLEBLOCK VACCUUM HE WAS DRUG DEALER

[BananaCucho]

Checkmate.

[Varcron]

Checkmate.

Then I must either be a lunatic or you're lying.

[Varcron]

Then I must either be a lunatic or you're lying.

And I tend to believe the latter thanks to your behavior this game.

[secondpassing]

Inb4 yzb25 comes in saying he visited Sen as a "citizen"

[Sen]

Wait a second. I think this is solved...

[BananaCucho]

Guys lets recap

Day 2 Vacuum claims he protected ME, I didnt get feedback. Hes grilled for this until Galeon says that he roleblocked Vaccuum, and Vaccuums like "oh thats why I didnt leave banana feedback"

NOW we learn that Galeon DIDNT roleblock him, Vacuums like "oh thats why my feedback was weird and shit" but it doesnt explain his lie about visiting me

So yeah. Destroy this guy.

Theres no reason to try to read and reread people in a game of this nature. Things get solved mechanically and the lies are exposed. That day 1 turbo of Vaccuum to get him to fake claim did him in

Ill take your MVP votes post game.

[BananaCucho]

Wait a second. I think this is solved...

Yep it is.

[Sen]

If MM is indeed a Sleuth, he should be able to confirm yet another town, or a scum -as he already found Light to be town- and would've used him to compare against somebody else.

We can just wait for MM's feedback. If he found a townie, that means there's be a million confirmed towns and a confirmed benign and scum should just give up. If he found scum, we just lynch them and everybody wins.

Let's wait for the Sleuth.

[BananaCucho]

I kinda feel bad for scum this game. They got dealt a shit hand lmao