Note that Joha still isnt voting Quinne
Note how Joha is requesting to be left alive and STILL hasnt voted Quinne
The slot cant be trusted.
Openly calls me turncoat, doesnt vote me either.
Put down a vote.
Hey, did you know I am not currently voting Quinne??
What a conspiracy.
Can’t wait for his third post about it
man couldn’t even close an umbrella, you expect him to close out a game?
I will not be able to post for another 3 hours
At this point it doesn't matter if Quinne or Joha is lynched today. It was important yesterday to vote Joha first. If town is stuck in a deadlock today, Quinne will still be the correct lynch. I'm just waiting for turncoat to shoot and we have to flip a coin about whether or not we win.
Wow that post was retarded
Vote me>Wilberd>Joha
That's the plan.
If I could self vote I would.
If Joha is Ghost. Let them have their chance to win.
Please bear with me and read this post in detail.
The case of the 3 TPR CLAIMs;
There are only 2 support TPR slots in the setup.
3 people claimed those slots.
We can presume that any honest townie would counterclaim by now and that there are no further counterclaims to come.
Therefore, 2 out of 3 are Town and 1 is Scum/Mafia.
This much is confirmed and not news to anybody.
Next let's analyse each of the 3 claims;
Lois;
- grieved D1 because nobody would listen to him
- claimed Sheriff, and claimed Sheriff again by his replacement
- was checked by Quinne and came up as Town
- claimed had a positive check on Marlwyn as mafia
Marlwyn
- claimed Architect but could be Scumitect/framer
- claimed to use his night chat ability N1 with the confirmed disguiser (?convenient) (ie he could have had a conversation in mafia chat with him freeing himself up to frame)
- later forced into using his night chat with Fred on threat of death
- as soon as Fred uses his gun, Marlwyn then makes a night chat with Wilbird (who is now accused of being NE)(?was this Mafia making contact with Turncoat?)(?did they somehow signal to each other in daychat?)
Quinne:
- got a clearing check on Lois
- found a Neutral Evil check on Wilbird
- has been playing protown all game
Now putting all this together;
Lois says Marlwyn is scum.
Marlwyn says Lois is lying.
Quinne says Lois is Town.
Therefore, (but for a very small microchance of framing):
Marlwyn was scum.
Lois was Town.
Quinne is Town.
Combine that with examination of Marlwyn's actions and I am 99.5% convinced.
Quinne is confirmed Town in my book.
DO NOT LYNCH QUINNE.
Get the neutral evil.
-vote S-FM Marck Wilbird
so does lynching quinne before or after marck actually effect our chances of winning?
i personally dont think it does and i think we should stick to our original intended plan, and assume that quinne and the rest of the tprs are full of shit, because that's the safest way to play this
im going to wait for ed to check in before throwing down my vote out of respect for his timezone
it's not like he'd be able to plan around this game with how late the days open back up
Quinne basically can't be scum.
Either Lois or Marlwyn was.
And if Lois was then he was the Godfather which seems rather unlikely.
i dont think that lois was for sure godfather
there's basically zero information to go around here other than what our tprs claimed, and we can't confirm any of it
all im doing is considering the possibilities, and suggesting that we make the safest play since i dont want to be bamboozled by us bringing a tpr who may or may not be scum to the slugfest that is going to be lynching between citizen claims
Statistically speaking the safest play is lynching Wilbird.
Ignoring everything else there's a 66% chance the person who accused him is Town.
There's a 33 chance the person who accused him is scum.
And that's before we take into account all the other evidence.
is it possible that lois was godfather or framed?
yes
is it possible quinne was feeding us shit?
yes
is it possible that mulan was framed?
yes
there's a ton of variables here and we can't confirm the presence of any of them, hence why i suggest going for what i believe to be the safest play and the original plan that like everyone except twinsells agreed upon
Let's not forget as Gollert loves to tell us; there is chance (albeit still small I think) that the NE has a gun. If so then it makes sense to lynch him now while our pool is larger.
I am 100% fine with my lynch, AFTER Quinne is taken care of. You can lynch me before Joha even, because scum will be down to NE and 1 mafia left at most. The order in which me and Joha go doesn't matter.
Lynching me today is a horrible play. I'm a citizen. If you leave Quinne alive, then there's likely 2 mafia, 1 NE and 1 NB left. Town loses majority.
Bart bb what are you doin
If you are town you have not thought this through.
This is likeliest scenario about what happened
1) Quinne fakeclaimed sheriff to cc the 2 TPRs
2) Quinne framed Mulan, so that if the real sheriff checked them they'd come up as scum
3) Quinne then faked a check on me as neutral to destroy the one person who has worked hardest for town this game.
Kill Quinne. Then kill me. I'll see if I can't get Ganelon to let me suicide. Then you lynch Joha. Don't let it live.
@Bart
How does my play this game make ANY sense as neutral evil? How? Where has anything I done motivation wise made sense as neutral evil?
Then lynch me, but AFTER QUINNE IS LYNCHED AND 2/3 MAFIA ARE GUARANTEED DEAD
By leaving Quinne alive, you are AVOIDING THAT
@fred you are gonna have your work cut out figuring out who is town of who is left with you at the end
Wrong Fred lol
Bart, you lynch Quinne in a flipless setup what do we know?
At most 1 mafia left
At most 1 NE left. With 8 players left in the game. You lynch me
You don't lynch Quinne, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT TOWN HAS MAJORITY AFTER YOU LYNCH ME
This game is flipless. You can't just say "we're going to leave Quinne alive now"
I want Bart to explain how Quinne (or a teammate) framing Mulan is a "microchance" of framing
Everyone mass claimed BEFORE the Lois check on Mulan. Quinne frames Mulan as it's very likely that Lois checks either Mulan or Quinne. It's a no brainer. It's the obvious play if mafia rolls a framer. That's not a microchance.
I had him as a soft town read early on due to some logical posts and reasoning particularly around the Disguiser role.
His Sheriff counterclaim looked whacky when he initially made it.
Since then he has generally behaved logically and been involved in the discussion.
On reads alone and not mechanics he would continue to be a soft Town read.