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    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Do you not remember PQ's play in the Gravity Falls game? He was so all over the place that AIVION revoked his ability to post from the dead, lmao

    Why do you think the wolves were Frinckles voters instead of off-wagon observers?
    because the original train was PQR.

  2. ISO #552

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Will be out for most of the next few hours, placing my vote here.

    This is very similar to the situation from last game where we just got a mislynch but I don’t think I blame anyone on their train. Both Lag and Frinckles were interchangeably null leaning scum reads for me on day 1. My read on Lag has not changed but I also have not done any analysis over the night, unfortunately.

    -vote Lag


    We’re starting here today, and we’ll see where things go. I need a lot more out of you today.
    This vote is just opportunistic, if you think I'm wolf, then who do you think are my teammates here? What were they doing at EoD?

  3. ISO #553

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
    PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
    NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
    Lag
    PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
    Marshmallow Marshall
    Voss (1 [L-6]):
    NotPaopan
    Lag (4 [L-3]):
    Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
    oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
    Stealthbomber16
    Renegade (1 [L-6]):
    Loldebite

    I’m going to revisit this as time goes on but this is… a start, I guess.
    scummy lamist
    Praise the Lord!

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  5. ISO #555

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Even in the unlikely event you are town, it's false to say resistance to your lynch (and more exactly speaking, resistance to the direction of the game) is irrelevant: it indicates scum were unhappy with what was happening, so even assuming you're town, we would have to look into whoever was also being suspected. That would probably be Lag or Oliver. I don't think we live in a world where you are town, though, so this doesn't apply.
    Why would scum intentionally steer from town A to town B? Unless... they wanted to save me for D2 lynch? hah

  6. ISO #556

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Taking back the medic claim can easily be interpreted as medic WIFOM. So I think the entire premise of your questions are wrong.

    I already said I think the wolves were off-wagon, doing their own thing. Guillo's suspicions of me were pretty much entirely because I wasn't around anymore, like all I would have to do is start posting on day 2 and his read on me changes - his reads changed a dozen times on day 1 after all - and that's something you should know about Guillo as well, he jumps around with his reads very often, using them to apply pressure and extract information, not control thread narrative.

    I think the Guillo kill was because of his medic WIFOM + his thread influence - he's still top poster in this game as of now after all.
    Paopan claimed medic, and I thought it was pretty clear Guillotina took back his claim after that, and that Paopan was actually the medic. I don't believe they would have thought he was medic.

    And again, EVEN if it WAS just WIFOM, it means it couldn't be honestly considered, so better off killing for other reasons. Guillo's thread influence, again, wouldn't mean much if he town read scum, and scum read town. I keep town leaders alive if I pocketed them or they have super inaccurate reads.

    So, what was he killed for? If his reads weren't completely inaccurate, that means at least 2 scum are within you/oliverz/PQRN/Voss. The three that were not you all were on Frinckles. If you're town, why are 2 scum passing up the opportunity to get YOU killed, over someone just posting shark stuff the whole game (even if Frinckles is a good player, he hadn't done anything yet)?

    I don't believe the "medic claim" would be an actual consideration by scum. It could be an easy excuse - but I don't believe they would ACTUALLY kill because of that, especially someone openly claiming medic day 1? That would open up the consideration the medic would self heal because they are out in the opening.

  7. ISO #557

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    What happened then was this :
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'd rather see Frinkles go over PQ
    So about that post :
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    It's pretty unlikely Renegade tried pulling anything like that off, considering he's mayor. 2 votes can make a massive difference in the result of the day (and as a matter of fact, it had a 50 % chance of doing so).

    I am convinced scum pushed away from a PQ lynch. The gamestate when I left was in no way indicating that the EoD votecount would look anything like how it was. There was a massive change because scum didn't like where the game was going; it's basically the opposite of "dead air, dead villager".
    MM, why do you not consider it's renegade that pushed away from a PQ lynch ? I might have missed something, but i did feel that people were pushing away from PQR, and i did feel renegade and voss doing such. Voss i guess was okay. Renegade claimed scumreading them earlier, so it makes absolutely no fucking sense.

  8. ISO #558

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Come to think of it, it is odd for you to suspect PQ+Voss team, when I put Voss as the most towny person at Half of D1 (score of 75 from what I recall). If i(or anyone else for that matter) were scum, there's no way that their scum partner would be listed as the towniest read of the 11.
    thats literally wifom and thus complete trash.
    Praise the Lord!

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  10. ISO #560

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Paopan claimed medic, and I thought it was pretty clear Guillotina took back his claim after that, and that Paopan was actually the medic. I don't believe they would have thought he was medic.

    And again, EVEN if it WAS just WIFOM, it means it couldn't be honestly considered, so better off killing for other reasons. Guillo's thread influence, again, wouldn't mean much if he town read scum, and scum read town. I keep town leaders alive if I pocketed them or they have super inaccurate reads.

    So, what was he killed for? If his reads weren't completely inaccurate, that means at least 2 scum are within you/oliverz/PQRN/Voss. The three that were not you all were on Frinckles. If you're town, why are 2 scum passing up the opportunity to get YOU killed, over someone just posting shark stuff the whole game (even if Frinckles is a good player, he hadn't done anything yet)?

    I don't believe the "medic claim" would be an actual consideration by scum. It could be an easy excuse - but I don't believe they would ACTUALLY kill because of that, especially someone openly claiming medic day 1? That would open up the consideration the medic would self heal because they are out in the opening.
    Maybe scum felt threatened by him, in the sense that he was not scumreading them yet. He did mention fear-killing a few times - maybe that's what that NK was ? Admittedly it seems unlikely, but if you can kill a good player and let town struggle with the WIFOM, that sounds good. Note that the votes at the end of D1 seem coherent with the idea that scum is going after players they fear...

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    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    My reasonings are not great, but there's only like 3 pages here and i'm more interested in getting a reads list so people can interact with it than keeping it to myself

    ** KEEP ALIVE **
    Voss - Putting yourself in your own reads list is a town tell 100%
    Guillo - the early scum read is super hot
    MM - coaching PAO makes him scum with him, or top town
    Oliverz - because of early lag meta read
    Ren - Not sure where to place him, but, like stealth, will get a better read later.
    PQRNhack - didn’t like pao’s opening, just like I didn’t
    Loldebite - paying attention to Guillo, posts don’t seem scum motivated
    Stealth - engaged with me. I suspect I’ll get a better read as day goes on
    Lag- did not like opening, but did not suck
    Gikkle - don’t remember much of him
    Frinkles - opening sucked, though the low placement here is hopefully more of a prod
    Paopan - opening sucked, and slot continues to suck
    ** VOTE **

    (note, that there can be subtle differences to someone I deem scummy, and someone I want to eliminate, or deeming towny vs keeping them around)
    @Voss
    Obviously, this was quite a while ago, but tell me how this has changed, if at all. Describe what made things change. I wanna know your thought processes and how your reads have developed, basically.

  13. ISO #563

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Taking back the medic claim can easily be interpreted as medic WIFOM. So I think the entire premise of your questions are wrong.

    I already said I think the wolves were off-wagon, doing their own thing. Guillo's suspicions of me were pretty much entirely because I wasn't around anymore, like all I would have to do is start posting on day 2 and his read on me changes - his reads changed a dozen times on day 1 after all - and that's something you should know about Guillo as well, he jumps around with his reads very often, using them to apply pressure and extract information, not control thread narrative.

    I think the Guillo kill was because of his medic WIFOM + his thread influence - he's still top poster in this game as of now after all.
    omg lag you are a genius.
    d1 i just scumread every1 once
    and later i claim that all my d1 reads are always right.
    guillotines hate this trick
    Praise the Lord!

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  15. ISO #565

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Paopan claimed medic, and I thought it was pretty clear Guillotina took back his claim after that, and that Paopan was actually the medic. I don't believe they would have thought he was medic.

    And again, EVEN if it WAS just WIFOM, it means it couldn't be honestly considered, so better off killing for other reasons. Guillo's thread influence, again, wouldn't mean much if he town read scum, and scum read town. I keep town leaders alive if I pocketed them or they have super inaccurate reads.

    So, what was he killed for? If his reads weren't completely inaccurate, that means at least 2 scum are within you/oliverz/PQRN/Voss. The three that were not you all were on Frinckles. If you're town, why are 2 scum passing up the opportunity to get YOU killed, over someone just posting shark stuff the whole game (even if Frinckles is a good player, he hadn't done anything yet)?

    I don't believe the "medic claim" would be an actual consideration by scum. It could be an easy excuse - but I don't believe they would ACTUALLY kill because of that, especially someone openly claiming medic day 1? That would open up the consideration the medic would self heal because they are out in the opening.
    There are enough people in this game that have enough experience to know that killing a town leader that is volatile with their reads is always a good NK option.

    There are also people in this lobby that have killed people in the past just because they were top poster. That's what the Paopan wolf team did in the Last Hope FM.

    When it has the potential to frame people? That's just icing on the cake.

    I think you're severely over-analyzing the NK, who else do they kill? Some less influential player with accurate reads casting huge amounts of suspicion on their slots because that kind of kill would make zero sense?

    Do I think there could be wolves among you/oliver/PQ/Voss?

    Yes, but I also think it's >rand that wolves are just happy to see town wagons at end of day and stay out of it. Because it seriously makes no sense for them to vote Frinckles in the interest of saving me.

  16. ISO #566

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I bet you have turned holiday cheer off ever since you joined, you soulless monster. Frinckles shitposts a lot, but he also is a highly talented player, and you KNOW this. I believe you literally advocated for him to go to the Mafia Championship this year. He did absolutely nothing actively scummy. If no other players had been valid options for lynch, I could understand the policy lynch, but there absolutely were valid options outside of Frinckles. You even admitted that yourself by saying you would vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ - you did have reads that had much more solid ground than "oh he posted pizzas and sharks".
    If you check my last reads list, you'll see that he was in the bottom 2, and I gave justification as to why I picked him over Paopan.

    I couldn't understand the ramifications of a Lag vs Oliverz yeet yesterday and didn't want to pick wrong. I honestly still don't. And apart from that, you've given me pause on Oliverz being scum bc you said he's town stream of conscious talking. As for Lag, I think more content from him could make me figure out if he's scum or not, but Lag didn't shitpost.

    I really don't like how you keep saying that I said "I'd vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ". It's literally in my ranking order. PQ is higher than Lag or Oliver, so I'd vote for either of them. Frinckles was lower than Lag, Oliver and PQ, saw him as a viable option, and went with that. I don't like the way you're demonizing me based on that post, as I see nothing wrong with it.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  18. ISO #568

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Buckets in no particular order:
    Town
    oliver
    Gikkle

    Town Lean
    PQ
    Voss
    Loldebite

    Wolf Lean
    NotPaopan
    MM
    Renegade

    Wolf
    SB16
    Btw Gikkle, before you ask, because you say it literally every single time I townread you, regardless of your alignment. Yes, I am attempting to pocket you with this list.

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  20. ISO #570

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    @Voss
    Obviously, this was quite a while ago, but tell me how this has changed, if at all. Describe what made things change. I wanna know your thought processes and how your reads have developed, basically.
    I can do this at some point soonish, sure, but this is an older list and the newer one I posted a bit later. I don't think I had Guillo as top town, and had MM as top town.

    I think this might have been the last thing I posted.

    Town
    Renegade
    MM
    Stealth
    PQRnHack

    Town lean
    Lag
    Guiro
    Oliverz
    Gikkle

    Can go
    Frinkles
    Loldebite
    Paopan

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  21. ISO #571

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    I'm asking why you thought I was a better option though, voting someone who tried to generate content in the thread in the first 26 hours of the day phase, only to be met with crickets from the thread, and then get busy and not be able to play the second half of the day phase when everyone decides to show up... well it's just a bizarre vote.

    Maybe I'm being too OMGUS-y with it and it's more NAI than I think, AI or not, it's certainly bizarre. How did you not think there was a better slot to vote?
    Generating content is NAI.

    (!!!) yikes

  22. ISO #572

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I tried to there :


    If you have any questions LMK
    There's no world where Renegade and Lag are scum together here, right? Out of the two you think Renegade is the more likely scum? If that's the case... why consider voting lag at all? That doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  23. ISO #573

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    There are enough people in this game that have enough experience to know that killing a town leader that is volatile with their reads is always a good NK option.

    There are also people in this lobby that have killed people in the past just because they were top poster. That's what the Paopan wolf team did in the Last Hope FM.

    When it has the potential to frame people? That's just icing on the cake.

    I think you're severely over-analyzing the NK, who else do they kill? Some less influential player with accurate reads casting huge amounts of suspicion on their slots because that kind of kill would make zero sense?

    Do I think there could be wolves among you/oliver/PQ/Voss?

    Yes, but I also think it's >rand that wolves are just happy to see town wagons at end of day and stay out of it. Because it seriously makes no sense for them to vote Frinckles in the interest of saving me.
    The three/four people I expected scum to kill were as follows:

    Guillo, PQRnhack, Stealthbomber, and MM

    I think PQRn is a strong player, with good thoughts when he's town. Stealthbomber would be a safe kill on someone who seems at least somewhat experienced, and isn't in the immediate PoE (at least day 1). MM is a good player. Guillo, obviously, was quite influential.

    There were options. Heck, they could have killed you if they didn't care about the fact they'd be resolving the wagons.

    It's possible, I suppose, that they killed Guillo for the sole reason he was influential, ignoring the accuracy of his reads. It just seems less likely to be the case, to me.

  24. ISO #574

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I can do this at some point soonish, sure, but this is an older list and the newer one I posted a bit later. I don't think I had Guillo as top town, and had MM as top town.

    I think this might have been the last thing I posted.

    Town
    Renegade
    MM
    Stealth
    PQRnHack

    Town lean
    Lag
    Guiro
    Oliverz
    Gikkle

    Can go
    Frinkles
    Loldebite
    Paopan
    Ah, must have missed the later one. Thanks for correcting me, then.

  25. ISO #575

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Mine? ok.
    SCUM
    you(guillotine)
    Frinckles, out of meta
    voss- didnt like his commentary on gikkle tonally

    NULL
    Gikkle, coz hes not solvy enough as usual
    Lag- maybe i dont know her that good lol ._.
    paopan- fluffs as last game.
    SB16
    rené


    TOWN
    me- hehe
    Lolde- hes lost/afk as usual
    MM-pocketed me

    and thats it i think
    im going afk now, cu d2, or in grave
    @oliverz144 same thing I asked Voss; how has this changed, if at all? Describe your thought process between these changes.

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    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    This vote is just opportunistic, if you think I'm wolf, then who do you think are my teammates here? What were they doing at EoD?
    Oh you're really gonna ask the dude who solved the last game from pure vote analysis to do vote analysis? Sure, we can do that.

    Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
    PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss

    NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
    Lag

    PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
    Marshmallow Marshall

    Voss (1 [L-6]):
    NotPaopan

    Lag (4 [L-3]):
    Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles

    oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
    Stealthbomber16

    Renegade (1 [L-6]):
    Loldebite

    1. You were the only person voting Pao on day 1 for pretty much the full day. That points to a likely bus. You two would be scum together.
    2. Second scum would be one of the frinckles voters, outlined in orange. Analysis says it's Voss because that's who Pao was voting, but I've been mindmelding with Voss so I don't think it's him.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  28. ISO #578

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    The three/four people I expected scum to kill were as follows:

    Guillo, PQRnhack, Stealthbomber, and MM

    I think PQRn is a strong player, with good thoughts when he's town. Stealthbomber would be a safe kill on someone who seems at least somewhat experienced, and isn't in the immediate PoE (at least day 1). MM is a good player. Guillo, obviously, was quite influential.

    There were options. Heck, they could have killed you if they didn't care about the fact they'd be resolving the wagons.

    It's possible, I suppose, that they killed Guillo for the sole reason he was influential, ignoring the accuracy of his reads. It just seems less likely to be the case, to me.
    I think it would be a solid reason to axe Guillo just because he's a loose cannon. I don't think I would support it, but I could see a team doing it. He changed his reads ridiculously quickly on day 1. Very volatile player.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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  30. ISO #580

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    There's no world where Renegade and Lag are scum together here, right? Out of the two you think Renegade is the more likely scum? If that's the case... why consider voting lag at all? That doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
    Maybe there is one, although it seems unlikely.
    Yes, lag didnt do much, whereas IMO renegade has been purposefully manipulating lynch trains.
    Because i thought Frinckles was town, whereas Lag was more of a neutral read of mine. My opposition to the lag train was only because it felt like an easy, AFK target, exactly what would scum vote thinking "no one's gonna scum read me for this : they were not useful !". That part was also true for Frinckles, but in addition to that i had good feelings about his posts, so i wanted him to not die, thinking him town.
    Anyway, this all happened rather quickly so i had no time to calmly, rationally think about it.

  31. ISO #581

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Oh you're really gonna ask the dude who solved the last game from pure vote analysis to do vote analysis? Sure, we can do that.

    Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
    PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss

    NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
    Lag

    PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
    Marshmallow Marshall

    Voss (1 [L-6]):
    NotPaopan

    Lag (4 [L-3]):
    Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles

    oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
    Stealthbomber16

    Renegade (1 [L-6]):
    Loldebite

    1. You were the only person voting Pao on day 1 for pretty much the full day. That points to a likely bus. You two would be scum together.
    2. Second scum would be one of the frinckles voters, outlined in orange. Analysis says it's Voss because that's who Pao was voting, but I've been mindmelding with Voss so I don't think it's him.
    Oh, this actually reminded me of a line of thought I had an hour ago that I completely forgot about because I didn't really think it was any good. Lag kept suggesting mafia would genuinely think Guillo was the medic, despite the fact Paopan claimed medic, which indicates maybe Lag knows something about Paopan we don't?

    I don't know, could mean nothing, just a thought that popped into my head.

  32. ISO #582

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I think it would be a solid reason to axe Guillo just because he's a loose cannon. I don't think I would support it, but I could see a team doing it. He changed his reads ridiculously quickly on day 1. Very volatile player.
    Eh, you might be right.

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    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    @Lag gimme your thoughts on everyone rn

    --
    @Stealthbomber16 @Renegade

    Can I get a top 3 town/scum from y'all?
    Sorry I somehow completely missed this.

    I look at scum in groups. Lag/Pao/Oliver seems likely to me right now, Oliver/Renegade/PQ would be the other most likely group. I’m not sure which is more likely to me.

    After writing this out I… don’t actually know why I scumread Oliver so much. Seems like a gut feeling. I’m going to look into this more.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  35. ISO #585

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Sorry I somehow completely missed this.

    I look at scum in groups. Lag/Pao/Oliver seems likely to me right now, Oliver/Renegade/PQ would be the other most likely group. I’m not sure which is more likely to me.

    After writing this out I… don’t actually know why I scumread Oliver so much. Seems like a gut feeling. I’m going to look into this more.
    As for town it’s Voss/MM for my town core with perhaps you in a distant third.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I agree with MM and also think PQR is scum, both for his reckless vote on Frinckles (he voted Frinckles 2h into D1 and didnt vote anywhere else until he was dead, based on what ? He justified afterwards saying "out of character fluff". 2h into D1. This is obviously a made-up excuse. IMO thought about in hindsight to look less like he did in the OUaTitW game.
    I guess renegade was kinda right : PQR was extremely confident about his Frinckles vote.

    I agree with SB that the attorney vote is likely NAI. Same has to be said about Governor/Judge, i fear.
    Well there's a lie, so
    -vote Loldebite
    .
    Check your facts and come back to me.

  39. ISO #589

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    What happened then was this :


    So about that post :


    MM, why do you not consider it's renegade that pushed away from a PQ lynch ? I might have missed something, but i did feel that people were pushing away from PQR, and i did feel renegade and voss doing such. Voss i guess was okay. Renegade claimed scumreading them earlier, so it makes absolutely no fucking sense.
    Do you believe that scum~Renegade pushed away from Town_A onto town_B? Or only that scum~Renegade pushed away from Scum to Town?

  40. ISO #590

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Killing Guillo has one additional side benefit for the Corrupt: it helps softly frame Lag, as Guillo was on the end-day counter-wagon to Frinckles: Lag. More reason to get that States Attorney claim in the air, in case it was originated by a scum~Attorney who will pretend to be town~Attorney placing a vote on scum-suspect Lag to "help town make the right lynch D2". Renegade was the sole other living Lag-voter, but they shot Guillo and not the Mayo, hmm
    But of course I am over-thinking all this and the possibilities of them framing me, Lag, or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Killing Guillo has one additional side benefit for the Corrupt: it helps softly frame Lag, as Guillo was on the end-day counter-wagon to Frinckles: Lag. More reason to get that States Attorney claim in the air, in case it was originated by a scum~Attorney who will pretend to be town~Attorney placing a vote on scum-suspect Lag to "help town make the right lynch D2". Renegade was the sole other living Lag-voter, but they shot Guillo and not the Mayo, hmm
    But of course I am over-thinking all this and the possibilities of them framing me, Lag, or anyone else.
    This feels like a TMI slip. Why assume Lag is town?
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
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    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Lol, bro… you are caught scum and if im chopped and see that i am town, my legacy its to chop you next.
    Like i got nothing to lose, im part of the majority, we can lose a few, even myself, even if im the real medic, because at the end of the day, reads beat mechanical play every day.

    So yah get me chopped, if you can, you better hope you can because one of you suspects flip scum, im config town baby!
    Going to note this, part of many interactions between Guillo and SB16. Was Guillo killed for being cocky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Why am I scum?

    Why do you scum read Voss for their read on Gikkle when you yourself have Gikkle in your neutral list, not in your town list? Hmmm? HMMMMMMM?
    @Stealthbomber16

    this is one of my reasons of a S!Oliverz, because of the weird take on my view on Gikkle. Guillo thought the same.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    If you check my last reads list, you'll see that he was in the bottom 2, and I gave justification as to why I picked him over Paopan.

    I couldn't understand the ramifications of a Lag vs Oliverz yeet yesterday and didn't want to pick wrong. I honestly still don't. And apart from that, you've given me pause on Oliverz being scum bc you said he's town stream of conscious talking. As for Lag, I think more content from him could make me figure out if he's scum or not, but Lag didn't shitpost.

    I really don't like how you keep saying that I said "I'd vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ". It's literally in my ranking order. PQ is higher than Lag or Oliver, so I'd vote for either of them. Frinckles was lower than Lag, Oliver and PQ, saw him as a viable option, and went with that. I don't like the way you're demonizing me based on that post, as I see nothing wrong with it.
    I am not so sure anymore tbh, and can't decide what to do with either Lag or Oliver anymore. Both are weird. Oliver conveniently being on Frinckles and never addressing PQ as far as I know makes me wonder, and Lag is just... not towny. They're not specially scummy, they just don't meet the standard I hold them to.

    As dumb as that may be, I really, really like this part. It's literally saying "Yes, that is what I said, and that is what I think, but just because of my list, which I stick to, and I see nothing wrong with this." I guess you might be town after all.

    -vote PQRnHack
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    did u just suggest me to vote myself?
    jokes aside, i have a chronic hate against fluff and jokes (334- paopan and me)
    and lag wasnt happening when i was not afk 6h b4 eod.
    and later i was busy reading up so i didnt participate in active discussion.
    Is it just me or is this incredibly weak lol? "I voted Frinckles because I have chronic hate against fluff and jokes"? Really, so over any actual read, you just go for that? I have doubts. Oliver is sending contradictory signals this game ;-;
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Do you not remember PQ's play in the Gravity Falls game? He was so all over the place that AIVION revoked his ability to post from the dead, lmao

    Why do you think the wolves were Frinckles voters instead of off-wagon observers?
    There's a difference between being all over the place to solve and creating a twisted narrative that puts yourself in a townie's position, and then trying to "stick" game events around that townie position. It feels unnatural, much like in Once Upon a Town where he spammed nonsense about himself and ended up surviving thanks to it.

    As I already said, the gamestate changed incredibly fast and the Frinckles lynch was unfathomable from the point of view of someone who hadn't been in the thread for a few hours. This is indicative of scum being unhappy with the gamestate and acting to change it. It's not like there was no valid option other than Frinckles. Scum went in and built the Frinckles wagon for the sake of changing the focus. This means scum were disingenuous in their actions close to EoD, and Oliver's weak justification for voting Frinckles makes me seriously question my initial townread on them... Oliver might be scum here, actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Here we go again. What's your plan for the game after I flip town?
    If you flip town, my plan is to be surprised and to keep analyzing the Frinckles wagon :P.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

 

 

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