S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)

[SuperJack]

No. I think by not claiming who had done what, you left the door wide open for you to say "Oh it was just a dumb gambit guys, sorry! I'm actually citizen".

Also, spending the day tunneling your red check makes sense :P. I don't see anything scummy about what Mag is doing, and as I already said multiple times, scum!Oberon would be completely retarded, while scum!SJ is perfectly possible. That's enough of an explaination for me.

W/E you want to be like thst. That's cool, there is nothing to gain from carrying on this arguement and if I end up dead I hope it serves as a lesson.

Let's atleast make other progress. What would you like to discuss?

[SuperJack]

I think we should figure out who the scum is in;
Number 2
OzyEle
Bake
Frosty.

[SuperJack]

Frosty is my strongest town read, followed by Bakemir. Then between Ozy and #2 I'm more inclined to see #2 as scum. Althoucht Ozys earllier friendlyness with me also bothered me.

[Oberon]

I'm suspecting you because you are so heavy and dead set on me because I can't fathom how the fuck you can't see that Oberon is scum and that I'm exactly what I've always said I am, and how incredibly retarded I would be to be scum and claim Defective on day 1, if I had to fake claim anything on D1 as scum it would be sheriff, because I could then claim framers or godfathers and shit.

I don't know who's stupid stance to believe more.

You realize the Detective is also vulnerable to a framer right? Or were you not briefed on that in your scum chat?

[Oberon]

W/E you want to be like thst. That's cool, there is nothing to gain from carrying on this arguement and if I end up dead I hope it serves as a lesson.

Let's atleast make other progress. What would you like to discuss?

You’re voting me anyways so where is the disagreement? LOL

[SuperJack]

You realize the Detective is also vulnerable to a framer right? Or were you not briefed on that in your scum chat?

Lol I did not know that. Thanks for letting me know.

[SuperJack]

You’re voting me anyways so where is the disagreement? LOL

What you talking about? I believed you are still the most likely person to be scum, bencfi I'm voting you.

[bakermir]

I would vote and get a claim from MM but honestly if he is what he claims then he is 100% dead tonight so I am voting MM tomorrow if Oberon or SJ flips tpr.


without going into much details this is how I see;

Oberon's potential partner range:

MM
NumberTwo



SJ's potential partner range:

OzyEfe
NumberTwo
Frostbyte




NumberTwo is the best infoyeet we got today. FB/MM/Bakermir are potential NK targets most likely me because I knew exactly both SJ and Oberon were lying earlier and I suspect that I might have gave it away with my reactions to them earlier. the things I know this game, we got another potential liar in MM.



I suppose we could 50% 50% from oberon SJ and something tells me both of them are dumbass citizen TvT about to lose us the game if MM claim is true

[SuperJack]

Oberon can't be scum partnered with MM.

[SuperJack]

Number 2 really needs to contribute more. Their lack of it is the main reason they are a suspect.

[FrostByte]

I worry about MM's position in their claim. I have no doubt that Oberon can be stubborn and ignorant enough to consider I can see MM knowing that and using this opportunity to get two towns lynched by fake claiming it.
Mix that in with their no-claim. If they are a doctor they die, if they are escort claiming has no effect, sheriff and detective also won't matter because I am also a detective.

Their interactions with Ozy also put me on edge.
Yet they are more likely town than Oberon.

Damn bro you are all about hunting those TPRs, aren't you? Is there any reason this discussion couldn't wait until tomorrow? Are you seeding info for your partner in case you die today?

[SuperJack]

Damn bro you are all about hunting those TPRs, aren't you? Is there any reason this discussion couldn't wait until tomorrow? Are you seeding info for your partner in case you die today?

The discussion couldn't wait until tomorrow because someone took the bait. If I was scum and wanted Oberon lynched I would of just said he visited Mike.
Just trying to help create some Wifom over MM's claim.

Doesn't matter, even if I'm lynched its still leaves a good discussion for tomorrow. Only problem is today is your only mislynch.

So we are better discussing weather its better to lynch a TRP claim or a Citizen claim today.


Lynch Scum TRP
TPR will be killed. Leaves 1 TRP alive, with 1 scum amongst 4 citizens (One who will be near-confirmed by alive TRP)
Essentially leaving it 2 confirmed town vs 3 unknowns. 2 Lynches to use.

Mislynch TPR
Citizen will be killed (Most likely scenario, other option is if MM is town it may depend on WIFOM), leaving it TPR vs Scum TRP claim. Mislynch and Lose.

Lynch Scum Citizen
Scum have to kill and surrender their night action This wins the game as you just lynch the TRP claims. If they try to no Kill the game gets solved by alive TRP roles.

Mislynch Citizen
You have to lynch between the TRP role claims again, or Citizens. If a TRP role gets night killed it comfirms their feedback and releases their last will. If a Citizen gets killed there are 2 true feedbacks and 1 lie to believe in, as well as the lynch details from today.

[SuperJack]

Honestly the best choice is to lynch among the Citizens.

You are more likely to get better information to analyse with the votes and lynches. Better next day scenarios. Nothing is stopping the lynch amongst the power role claims for the next day.

Bake is completely in the right mind.

[SuperJack]

My top two lynches amonst the Citizens are #2 and Ozy

[SuperJack]

Or we can just do what Oberon does and waste the rest of the day lurking and dont bother with anything else.

[SuperJack]

Number two quotes:

Sup??

Im one of the good guys for a change?

Oh god, how much did i drink this weekend??

I do not however regret returning here

Lets scramble up all my remaining braincells and focus!


4 citizens
2 tpr
2 Mafia

Yeah this seems doable!

Lets not lynch anyone today

You caught me, I surrender!!

Oh shit i keep putting myself in deeper shit. Im not good at handling pressure

Mike did his job and died. He is a hero

Sorry for my inactivity. been working alot!

So Oberon claims sheriff with a red result on Superjack
Superjack claims Detective with a result of someone visiting Mike


Have i missed anything?

I honestly find Superjacks claim extremely ''fishy''
But that could be a possible claim if he is citizen or a scum trying to look like a fake claiming citizen

So your citizen claim is also a joke then?

who is the first scum then??

Why are you beeing so mean?

Like how am i supposed to look like town with the personality that i have??

Anything i say can and will be used against me.

haha of course i remember you!

[Oberon]

Or we can just do what Oberon does and waste the rest of the day lurking and dont bother with anything else.

I love you ❤️

[SuperJack]

Fancy trying to figure out the scum amongst the Citizens?
If you was town you would at least try.

[SuperJack]

Number two quotes analysis partt 1:

Spoiler : Day One :

Day 1

Sup??

FLUFF

Im one of the good guys for a change?

Unnecessary suggestion that they are town, and even question it.

Oh god, how much did i drink this weekend??

I do not however regret returning here

FLUFF

Lets scramble up all my remaining braincells and focus!


4 citizens
2 tpr
2 Mafia

Yeah this seems doable!

FLUFF

Lets not lynch anyone today

I always consider skips to be more likely scum than town

You caught me, I surrender!!

First Interaction with Number 2 and Oberon. Sarcasm.

Oh shit i keep putting myself in deeper shit. Im not good at handling pressure

Continuance of the interaction. First they claim they are caught, then they said they cant handle pressure.

Their first day consists of normal day 1 fluff. A vote to skip and the only player they interact with is Oberon. And uses sarcastic "You caught me" tones. Could be scum, normal see this sarcasm among more active player but to see it as there ONLY contribution for the day gives it a scum lean.

[Oberon]

Fancy trying to figure out the scum amongst the Citizens?
If you was town you would at least try.

I figure you got enough on your hands as it is talking to these heathens. Why confuse people even further? ^^

[SuperJack]

I figure you got enough on your hands as it is talking to these heathens. Why confuse people even further? ^^

Because If im going to be mislyched the information and viewpoints I leave behind will now be views as confirmed town and be useful for the next day.

Can you explain if I was scum why I would kill my only good scum read on D1?

[SuperJack]

Sorry I forgot am I supposed to cry like a baby and ragequit?

[Oberon]

Because If im going to be mislyched the information and viewpoints I leave behind will now be views as confirmed town and be useful for the next day.

Can you explain if I was scum why I would kill my only good scum read on D1?

Askinf the right questions I see. Because u came into this day wanting to mislynch FrostByte, backed off when you saw that wasn’t possible, and then decided to saw no choice but to deal with this ThunderDome. You let your scum partner bakermir vote Numbrtwo in opposition to my lynch or MM’s lynch (which puts you at a disadvantage). So now your only hope is for people to lynch someone other than yourself, myself or MM because that would out you.

[Oberon]

Sorry I forgot am I supposed to cry like a baby and ragequit?

Nah muh dude. Losing a scum gambit is no reason to quit. You can be all you can be!

[SuperJack]

Askinf the right questions I see. Because u came into this day wanting to mislynch FrostByte, backed off when you saw that wasn’t possible, and then decided to saw no choice but to deal with this ThunderDome. You let your scum partner bakermir vote Numbrtwo in opposition to my lynch or MM’s lynch (which puts you at a disadvantage). So now your only hope is for people to lynch someone other than yourself, myself or MM because that would out you.

I thought you thought I wanted to mislynch you? Now you thought I wanted to mislynch Frosty?

You have a scum read on Bake? Please most more information and why?

And you are against further discussion? Why? What negative benefit does that have to discuss?

[SuperJack]

Day 2 Analysis on #Number 2

Spoiler : Day 2 :

Sorry for my inactivity. been working alot!

So Oberon claims sheriff with a red result on Superjack
Superjack claims Detective with a result of someone visiting Mike


Have i missed anything?

They are reading the game and aware of claims made earlier. Woking is NAI.

I honestly find Superjacks claim extremely ''fishy''
But that could be a possible claim if he is citizen or a scum trying to look like a fake claiming citizen

Sludge only on my claim Shows knowledge to have read into the claims, yet nothing further has been said about them. Just shade.

wait he did?

What post??

-vote marshmallow marshall

This is perhaps the only post that they have made that gives any indication that they are town is there reactions to Oberons Joke claim. #2 Didn't have time to look back and find it before voting and is a reactional vote.
Still does not exclude the possibilities of being scum, as if pair with Oberon can just be for show, or if Scum yet didn't visit Mike they know the claim was fake.

So your citizen claim is also a joke then?

Shows Ignorance, nothing more.

who is the first scum then??

Left hanging, but was accused of being scum by Oberon

Why are you beeing so mean?

Like how am i supposed to look like town with the personality that i have??

Anything i say can and will be used against me.

More scummy on second thought, this is annoying. It basically is an admittance to purposely not engaging because they might be lynched and called scum so blame their lurking on their personality. But also can consider this to be a lack of self confidence due to being away for so long, knowing they are easy low hanging fruit.

haha of course i remember you!

Delayed rememberance. They was in the signup thread and in the days earlyier, why wait till day 2 to do this?

[bakermir]

Oberon can't be scum partnered with MM.

i don't know. it always felt like they are

[bakermir]

3 hours 36 minutes left btw


moving my vote here for now

-vote NumberTwo

[Oberon]

Nah, you wanted to mislynch Frosty all along. You trying to lynch me was just cover and you wanted to see how ppl would react to Frosty's lynch ^^ as few ppl were in favour you wisely decided to back off. Too bad I have a redcheck on you anyways :P
Bakermir is doing exactly what your scum partner should be doing and that is pushing a lynch outside of the MM-SJ-Mag PR conundrum.

I'm not interested in further discussion when we have such a surefire lynch ahead of us. Worst case scenario is you flip town and then we lynch MM. GG. Problem solved.
Regardless of how this lynch turns out we have plenty of time to consider possible partners, so I'm not interested in looking for other possibilites when people are terrible at pushing lynches on this forum and absolutely terrified they may be mislynching and indecisive.

[Oberon]

i don't know. it always felt like they are

bakermir with the 10,000 IQ plays here

[bakermir]

Marshmallow Marshall (2 [L-2]):
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam, Numbertwo
Oberon (1 [L-3]):
SuperJack
SuperJack (2 [L-2]):
Oberon, Marshmallow Marshall
Numbertwo (2 [L-2]):
FrostByte, bakermir


for the record


we got a 3 way rand, not bad

[Oberon]

bakermir with the 10,000 IQ plays here

and here he is doing EXACTLY what I said he was doing. are people really going to fall for this shit?

[SuperJack]

Overall with Number Two we can come to two conclusions:

They are town, that lack self confidence so have been avoiding playing. They had an immediate reaction to a fake claim that MM claimed they visited Mike. This means they are not the scum that visited mike, and could likely be town. You can say that the majority of their posts are interactions with Oberon just because Oberon is always lurking around and there when Number 2 is.

They are scum, and are most likely paired with Oberon. Only post that says otherwise is the one post Oberon made that suggested they might be scum. Been avoiding playing in fear of slipping and not engaged with the majority of people to avoid attention


Both scenarios are just as likely. This is difficult and we really need @Num ber Two to engage more.

[bakermir]

bakermir with the 10,000 IQ plays here

bruh who to vote then? I can't vote myself xD I am trying to avoid lynching PR and go for a citizen or possible maf here and all i got is OzyEfe/FB/NumberTwo

[SuperJack]

3 hours 36 minutes left btw


moving my vote here for now

-vote NumberTwo

Can we try too at the Ozy team with the remainder of the day?

[bakermir]

Can we try too at the Ozy team with the remainder of the day?

My vote can switch to anyone if there are good reasons. Otherwise, it would suck to have NumberTwo alive tomorrow because we vote them and they flip town it will be game over

[bakermir]

@Oberon

why is NumberTwo town?

[SuperJack]

and here he is doing EXACTLY what I said he was doing. are people really going to fall for this shit?

Can you PLEASE stop with the anti discussion?
You understand that you can lynch in the TPR pool tomorrow no matter what happens today?
How on earth is trying to find the scum amongst the Citizens not benificial?

[SuperJack]

I have to go to the Dentist.

[Oberon]

Can you PLEASE stop with the anti discussion?
You understand that you can lynch in the TPR pool tomorrow no matter what happens today?
How on earth is trying to find the scum amongst the Citizens not benificial?

Can you understand that NOT lynching in the TPR pool is anti-town as fuck? Even from a random chance perspective the chance we correctly lynch is 33% - and even higher if people read correctly. And lynching one TPR virtually confirms the scum. Lynching the citizen claims literally resolves absolutely nothing. It's anti-town as fuck.

[Oberon]

@Oberon

why is NumberTwo town?

Because NumberTwo is literally being Numbertwo and ignoring the game like he usually does as town
When he's scum he's more sarcastic

[Oberon]

there. but I don't think numbertwo is town. BUT, if he were town, that would be the reason.
I don't think anyone here is town.
it's just shades of scum.

[SuperJack]

Can you understand that NOT lynching in the TPR pool is anti-town as fuck? Even from a random chance perspective the chance we correctly lynch is 33% - and even higher if people read correctly. And lynching one TPR virtually confirms the scum. Lynching the citizen claims literally resolves absolutely nothing. It's anti-town as fuck.

Because lynching amongst claims is easier to fake as scum as opposed to lynching via reads.
Because lynching TPR leaves the next day in a worst state than lynching citizen.

[SuperJack]

Because NumberTwo is literally being Numbertwo and ignoring the game like he usually does as town
When he's scum he's more sarcastic

Dude the only thing that Number 2 has done is sarcasm. And ignoring the game isn't a town tell. It NAI if anything until their build up a current meta.

[Oberon]

dude... rofl
if you don't lynch a TPR claim today ALL 3 will still be alive, because scum would never kill a TPR, it's in their best interest to keep them alive
if you lynch a TPR and he flips town you can at least get to pick between two people - TWO - and that may be enough for people to win. if you lynch a citizen you're literally down to absolutely zero info if they flip town.

[Oberon]

Dude the only thing that Number 2 has done is sarcasm. And ignoring the game isn't a town tell. It NAI if anything until their build up a current meta.

numbertwo hasn't been sarcastic this game if you can't tell that you're scum

[Oberon]

I swear... if you are town and are trying to lynch OUTSIDE of the TPR pool, I will throw something at you after this game. Something heavy and plushy.

[Oberon]

maybe I should be voting MM because this is just so... bad
lol

[SuperJack]

dude... rofl
if you don't lynch a TPR claim today ALL 3 will still be alive, because scum would never kill a TPR, it's in their best interest to keep them alive
if you lynch a TPR and he flips town you can at least get to pick between two people - TWO - and that may be enough for people to win. if you lynch a citizen you're literally down to absolutely zero info if they flip town.

And if 3 stay alive then they may be able to confirm their role via feedback and that's.more feedback for the day. It leaves MM-s no-claim wifom to be in play (escort, doctor, another sheriff or detective.

So if you believe I'm scum, and MM is not. Then letting MM's role wifom is an optimum move. Unless you know I'm not scum

[SuperJack]

numbertwo hasn't been sarcastic this game if you can't tell that you're scum

Dude. I highlighted it. Are you not even trying to read?