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  1. ISO #351

  2. ISO #352

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I only have one vote though. Which means I gotta choose among my scum-reads which I would like to vote most.

    -vote Bakermir


    Vote subject to possible change in the next (roughly 2 hours) before I head off for the rest of D1, if any change is deemed warranted by me.

    Don't consider this to be my final vote at the moment.

    I also await the replacement of Thaiax and Victor, presuming they don't post more before EoD1.
    Why exactly do you view Baker as Scum?
    What’s your read on Zedus?
    Thaiax wont be replaced because they are still posting. Plus they would be prodded first I believe.

  3. ISO #353

  4. ISO #354

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    But if it was possible for an escort to be in the game then it may have meant something.
    Personally, I wouldn't have thought of that in a million years. I don't think of "escorts" for their supposed flavor unless the game specifically suggests that. Otherwise I just think they're role blockers.

    Either way, someone's preferred pronoun does not deserve to be in the spotlight of the game discussion....nor needs to be suggested for such a thing. Especially since you just said yourself it has no relevance to the game.

    Could we all please move away (its not just you Dark Magician) over the subject of Mesk's pronoun? Just don't overthink the interactions associated with it. I think we all got the message here that Mesk is a "she" and that's fine. let's leave it at that.

    Only comment I could make to that is that I would personally apologize over the mistake and explain that this website doesn't have preferred pronouns attached to a person's profile thingy right next to the posts that they make.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  5. ISO #355

  6. ISO #356

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Why exactly do you view Baker as Scum?
    What’s your read on Zedus?
    Thaiax wont be replaced because they are still posting. Plus they would be prodded first I believe.
    I have stated my reasons before (just a few hours ago) regarding Baker as scum, or his potential to be scum previously. His post #234 rubbed me as the wrong way. It seemed like he had a plan, and plans are okay for townies to have, but I don't imagine plans are to be defensive rather than offensive as townie.

    This is just the short tl;dr of it though. Full explanation at #325.

    My Zedus read is kinda pending at the moment, because I don't believe I can get an accurate read on him atm. That said though, compared to everyone else he ranks rather low in terms of towniness.

    Also Thaiax's first post had a big misconception about me. It's clear they just skimmed the thread imo then perhaps just noped out of here. I may be wrong though, but he did misbelieve that I claimed VT. If he noped out of here he may not respond to a prod.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  7. ISO #357

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I disagree with this. I wanted to explain why but then I would be exposing someone who could essentially flip town even though I give it no chances. I know I should have kept silent but I had to mention this because we need more town reads before making a move. Also, continuing this mike vs bakermir, mm discussion will only help mafia agenda to figure out more things about rest of us. That's why I didn't wanna push and every time MIke went for it. Now I feel like I am spilling some beans here, that's another scum point for him. This is not a sheep play coming from him. So his citizen claim is bogus and contradictory to his play.

    We like to believe speculating is bad, I see some people are not interested in this. So, It is WIFOM game for everyone it seems. Because of this masquerade we are placed in, I have no other tool than speculating with reads and leads.

    At any point, I will not stop speculating. Will I share my thoughts? Only when I need it to win (insert evil laughter here if you want)


    Here is the basis of my speculation which I would like to share with everyone since we are on this stage for so long anyway;

    Mike is not innocent at all and successfully placed himself to a place where mafia or virus won't touch and placed both me and MM on the other side where only one of us will get to live if mafia or virus ever takes a chance at night.

    This wasn't my choice. Mike placed us in this.

    With that said, all three of us are lynch proof for the time being. That is what mafia knows for D1.


    Think about D2 from out position;

    If one of us die tonight, the other two will be the biggest suspects tomorrow. Only one of the remaining could flip town or both could flip scum, seeing the person died at night is town.

    So only one of us is vulnerable to mafia tonight. Other two will be protected by mafia at night.


    This is of course if they decide visit one of us. Honestly, I give this a small chance. There is a second, more normal scenario:

    I think mafia will be killing someone else tonight and instead we will most likely attract the virus as a result of all this exchangewith Mike.


    So if we are visited tonight, that only means one of us is most likely evil. If none of us are visited then it opens up the possibility where all 3 of us could be town with a possibility of one of us dying to virus or being the virus itself.


    Assuming the virus will be very passive on D1 and mafia will have at least one "spokesperson", there is a higher chance all 3 of us could be town. But down in the line, we are in this place where 3 of us are on plate and we don't know who will be served first.

    I am quite concerned by all of that honestly.

    Take my speculations serious or not. Everyone will make their own reads and work for their wincon. I am not out here to convince people to believe in my speculations. So ignore my ideas if you are convinced in to another world but please don't forget any of this if one of us die tonight.


    I townread MM, I just don't see how Mike scumreads him based on MM's involvement in favor of my case. MM and I have nothing to do with each other but we ended up having similar concerns on how Mike tried to place himself on the good side of both town and mafia.




    Do not think this post is about me fencesitting between MM and Mike. It is not a trap for town. I just can't think of any other scenario between the three of us.
    Yeah They didn’t even say this sites greatest line “Town Takeover
    Before saying how we should VETO Him, MM and Mike.

  8. ISO #358

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Don’t you always claim Citizen even if your not?
    Yes, but that became part of my Meta because I mostly role Cit. Case in point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  9. ISO #359

  10. ISO #360

  11. ISO #361

  12. ISO #362

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Okay I see where this is going.


    EVERYONE LISTEN TO ME!


    If I get lynched today then please take a closer look at Martin, Frinckles and maybe Zedus.


    I AM NOT SCUM.


    You will all be disappointed when I die.



    Also, I have asked if Frinckles, Martin or anyone for that matter to ask me questions.

    What do I get instead? Martin lying left and right, pushing his agenda. Talking to everyone except me.


    I just hope they are town. I still want to believe so. But the way it looks, I can feel something is off. Now I just woke up so I will need to check whats going on and read their posts carefully. I will do my best to provide my reads but I don't think it has changed much after our TvT between Mike, MM and me.

  13. ISO #363

  14. ISO #364

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Well I'm off for tonight. I got a few things to do before going to sleep.

    I MAY make it up to 30 min before EoD. Don't count on it though.
    This is exactly what SCUM did on our first game Martin. Dallarian/DW left a vote on Zedus and Zedus was lynched.


    ONE IN FRINCKLES / MARTIN IS A SCUM 100%

  15. ISO #365

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Well I mean not in this sense no.
    But if it was possible for an escort to be in the game then it may have meant something.
    White Mage can work like escort if they grant the blessing on one of sheriff's. The sheriff will be roleblocked and notified who did it. So it is like a friendly escort lol

  16. ISO #366

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    okay sorry for multiposting. I see I am late to the party and somehow Martin consistently made me look evil without even confronting me. All I can see is Martin taking everything I say out of context and scumpaint me. He also avoided me yesterday when I was active.


    I will make a reads list and explain my situation to rest of town. You take it from there then people.

  17. ISO #367

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Mafia only share chat at night, so they cant plan something right now.
    We should be looking how the game will go.
    Especially to see if some quiet players start to become influent on D2.
    i disagree with this. what is the guarantee here?

    Past two games I was in, mafia used discord.

  18. ISO #368

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Can I get a list of who's new in this game?/new to the site
    Ren already answered for himself.

    This is my 3rd game along with Zedus. I believe Auwt has around 5 games and Martin had some here and there around 5 too. Rest I believe are veterans.

    First game for Thaiax and I have no idea about Victor.

    Dark Magician seems to be a veteran smurf.

  19. ISO #369

    Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION View Post
    [COLOR="#EE82EE"]To Zedus: They have communications at night only.
    I mean you can disagree but apparently host confirms Mafia doesnt have night chat during daytime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  20. ISO #370

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I mean you can disagree but apparently host confirms Mafia doesnt have night chat during daytime.
    Well, I don't know how is that achieved.

    Do they know who is other mafia members during D1?

    I mean, what is gonna stop them from messaging each other on discord. Most of us share servers there including sc2mafia one.

  21. ISO #371

  22. ISO #372

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    theoretically nothing stops anyone from talking out of game. However, the mafia chat is a server made by host, and theyre only allowed to talk in it at night. They do know who each other are though.
    BACK IN THE DAY BEFORE DISCORD WE USED SKYPE CHATS OR QUICKTOPIC
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  23. ISO #373

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Well this just reinforces the Zedus/Martin theory I initially suspected on first/second page of this game. They have been awkward with each other and I wasn't the only one to notice this.


    But then later on Martin put Zedus as his second option next to my name. I see no reason why Martin won't be bussing Zedus entire D2, he is already paving a road here with his reads.

    Zedus have Martin on his town list though. If I assume them to be scum team then it would justify this awkwardness between them from early on but then I think I am looking at this the wrong way. I have pushed both Mike and Zedus and it turned out to be TvT for now. Yet Martin refuses to acknowledge any of it. He is nitpicking on a scenario where I said it has small chances of happening (i assumed Mike to be alpha wolf) but instead I ended up believing in the other scenario which has a higher chance of happening, where all three of us (me, mike and mm) to be town and just exposing ourselves to scum.


    If you decide to follow Martin in lynching me, make sure to get him up tomorrow.

    I have strong feeling the mafia is scared of me. I have been honest with my confrontations, at least honest to what I believed. I have thrown myself out there to extract information useful for TOWN. The information scum can get easily but it takes a lot of effort for townie to pull it off. I did not TPR hunt but I hunted for scums. I have sacrificed myself for the good of town.


    Martin (possible opportunistic scum since his first posts) won't even go in confrontation with me. He wants to take me out by trying to convince others either D1 or if not then shoot me N1. He knows I am a threat to his agenda and he has already paved his way to powerwolf tomorrow.

    It is okay though, if I survive the D1 then I don't want doctor. Doctor should protect someone else. I would rather lynch an afk slot today or scum. If I am lynched, make sure to get Martin tomorrow. That's only fair and I am 100% certain he will be lynched tomorrow as rest of town realize what kind of a horrible mistake they have done(!)

    Call me tinfoil hat. But if you fail to see the game from my perspective then that is on you people. Get Martin tomorrow, or now.


    I would rather lynch Victor here because I don't want to have a potential scum slot replaced with a veteran then when we want to analyse this person, we will have nothing to work with. no day 1 participation. This looks to me like the most logical lynch. But again, I won't be starting any trains.


    Only two people I have voted, I expected nobody to follow. I voted them because I personally wanted to confront them on what I believed potentially scum details about those two people. IF you want to believe on Martin claiming "oh bakermir is just scum coz he is voting peopel all around" then go ahead, get meme'd by mafia dear friends..

  24. ISO #374

    Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Well, I don't know how is that achieved.

    Do they know who is other mafia members during D1?

    I mean, what is gonna stop them from messaging each other on discord. Most of us share servers there including sc2mafia one.
    I believe they know each other, and they are on a discord handled by the host.
    The host will most likely lock their permission to send message while daytime.
    Using extra communication would be against the rules then.

    I will be back, just need to scroll through last pages to see whats new.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  25. ISO #375

    Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Auwt. Very slightly scummy when he addressed the TPR-hunting (inconsistencies in his posts), didn't address me when I asked him to clarify his thoughts on the matter.
    I missunderstood that post actually. My bad on this

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    WTF is this DO NOT PR HUNT SCUMMY AF
    The fact is that I dont really like people trying to defend and prevent TPR hunting.
    I won't say that Mike is scum based on this, but then again, this isn't giving town points for him at all.
    I am tempted to think TPR hunting is a viable strat only when you can keep silent or spread your thought wisely.
    I had similar experiences where scums are just saying such sentence to act townie-like.

    I've got to read a bit more carefully.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  26. ISO #376

    Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    The day ends in 12 hours. Here's the vote count.

    Dark Magician (1 [L-6]):
    Marshmallow Marshall

    bakermir (1 [L-6]):
    Frinckles


    LYNCH IS MAJORITY. PUT YOUR VOTES ON YOUR SCUMREADS.

    No lynch is a terrible option in this game (mafia factional kill + trapper kill + no lynch = townies dying and scums surviving). Put your vote where your mouth is, guys. FORWARD!!!!
    It will go here for now.
    -vote Dark Magician
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  27. ISO #377

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I believe they know each other, and they are on a discord handled by the host.
    The host will most likely lock their permission to send message while daytime.
    Using extra communication would be against the rules then.

    I will be back, just need to scroll through last pages to see whats new.
    Ok this is out of this games context:

    I think both Mesk and you understood me wrong.

    I believe people in here will be good sports, no doubt.

    In my last game, we had mafia chat during the day but then I understand it was only a day game. Then I remember our first game having a mafia channel too and I don't know if they were allowed to chat during the day or did SJ lock the room there back then. After reading the mafia convo after that game, I believed they were able to talk during the game but I might be wrong here and correct me if that is false. So we have a different host and different game now so I wasn't sure how would all of it be handled.

  28. ISO #378

    Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    This is exactly what SCUM did on our first game Martin. Dallarian/DW left a vote on Zedus and Zedus was lynched.


    ONE IN FRINCKLES / MARTIN IS A SCUM 100%
    Personnally I'm having quite some trouble to find out what is Frinckles, not reacting that much.
    Martin sounds like a legit town for now, haven't seen so much inconsistencies in his numerous posts.

    Will have to work on that though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  29. ISO #379

    Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Going from :

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I feel like this post never comes from a Town PR.
    to 30 posts later :

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    That wasn't the point of my post.
    My point is if he claims PR he’s lying.
    Something is off right there.
    You first say "I feel like" and in the 2nd quote you are like 100% sure and ready to treat Martin as a liar if he's ever claiming being TPR.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  30. ISO #380

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Personnally I'm having quite some trouble to find out what is Frinckles, not reacting that much.
    Martin sounds like a legit town for now, haven't seen so much inconsistencies in his numerous posts.

    Will have to work on that though.
    If he was town, he wouldn't be voting me but vote Victor. I call his points BS. He also indicated that we will get to know more from him on D2. Then why does he vote me based on poorly made accusations?

    Don't tell me you believe in evil hammering this early. This is exact reason why I am being voted right now. One in Martin or Frinckles is 100% scum and only way to find it out is to vote me out or let me live and we see their real face tomorrow.

  31. ISO #381

    Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    If he was town, he wouldn't be voting me but vote Victor. I call his points BS. He also indicated that we will get to know more from him on D2. Then why does he vote me based on poorly made accusations?

    Don't tell me you believe in evil hammering this early. This is exact reason why I am being voted right now. One in Martin or Frinckles is 100% scum and only way to find it out is to vote me out or let me live and we see their real face tomorrow.
    Blind voting someone who isnt present is horrible. There is no way I get lured into doing this, and I hope noone will.
    I don't say I agree with Martin's vote on you, but I prefer people to vote players that are at least playing the game and made several 'decisive' or 'important reacting'.
    No one is able to make bind with players that are afk/ very low poster/ not reacting to anything.

    I won't vote for you today unless BS show up in your posts or someone noticing a quite big inconsistency, if this can reassure your slot. ^_^
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  32. ISO #382

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Blind voting someone who isnt present is horrible. There is no way I get lured into doing this, and I hope noone will.
    I don't say I agree with Martin's vote on you, but I prefer people to vote players that are at least playing the game and made several 'decisive' or 'important reacting'.
    No one is able to make bind with players that are afk/ very low poster/ not reacting to anything.

    I won't vote for you today unless BS show up in your posts or someone noticing a quite big inconsistency, if this can reassure your slot. ^_^
    How come voting Victor out is a bad thing? Am I understanding things wrong here?

    It would be such a headache if this slot is replaced tomorrow and it would be really hard to read this person forever while rest of us have formed some sort of reads between each other.

    But I see your point about voting scumreads. I understand Martin in that sense. But is everything really that pink and dandy? I find something is artificial with those 2 votes on me.

  33. ISO #383

    Re : S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    I am also keeping an eye on possible team such as bakermir/MM, Renegade/Zedus, Varcron/bakermir/Zedus and so on...
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  34. ISO #384

    Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    How come voting Victor out is a bad thing? Am I understanding things wrong here?

    It would be such a headache if this slot is replaced tomorrow and it would be really hard to read this person forever while rest of us have formed some sort of reads between each other.

    But I see your point about voting scumreads. I understand Martin in that sense. But is everything really that pink and dandy? I find something is artificial with those 2 votes on me.
    Voting Victor would legit be random.
    I know statistics isnt very welcome but let's make some.
    13 Players (9/3/1)
    Ignoring yourself, if you consider yourself townie it's 8/3/1
    So random vote would leads to a 8/12 to get a townie (basically 2/3)

    The whole meaning of having a D1 is to take a guess on everyone to lower this rate.
    Better to leave your vote on either Frinckles or Martin, if you feel one or both is(are) scum(s).

    And also to everyone else, consider placing your vote soon, as Marshmallow Marshall suggested.
    At the time I'm making this post, only 5 hours remains before end of day 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

  35. ISO #385

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    I am back!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    First of all, I have a vagina.
    Is this make special somehow? Idk where are you from, but in my country noone cares what is between your legs from 1918.
    Also you should know, that in russian language "sk" ending is male ending, like Khabarovsk or even Mengsk, female ending is "ska", "ka", like Alyaska or Ivanka. So Mesk for me is basicaly male name, according to my language, but now I know you are girl, don't worry, from this momen you will be "she" for me. But first you are the player, as others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Please come correct, or these won't be a fun game for you.
    I already have fun game, and even if you are most boring person in the world, and you will release the Ultimate Power of Boredom, you will not break it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I'm very excited to squash you feeble points.
    No chance

    Well, I found this agressive play as probably town-like, but only because I like agressive town plays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Also, I played the original game, cause I'm an OG unlike 99.9% of the current players.
    Noone cares. But maybe Renegade will tell you something about "ego" Well, offtopic mode - OFF.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    My Zedus read is kinda pending at the moment, because I don't believe I can get an accurate read on him atm.
    I am not the member of "reading" cult, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    i disagree with this. what is the guarantee here?
    Past two games I was in, mafia used discord.
    I publicaly asked host about that and he answered in publit that mafia will have their own chat only at night. So mafia HAVE NOT some strategy they created in night chat, but they WILL have it d2. After that I will talk about probably strategy (if i survive the night) or I will leave lw with my thoughts about it. Also I am absolutely sure mafia know who are the others, because without this basic rule game have no sence. It's "informed minority vs uninformed majority". If mafia does not know each other, what's the point of playing? Randomly lynch each other d1? They can't only communicate out of game for now, host confirmed that, but they must know each other.


    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    This is exactly what SCUM did on our first game Martin. Dallarian/DW left a vote on Zedus and Zedus was lynched.
    Yes, looks like it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Zedus have Martin on his town list though.
    No. My town list is Renegade, Mike and Auwt. Martin is neut. Also, I asked Martin to post his full town/scum list, but he ignored me. MM answered, so in my eyes Martin lost some town poinst and MM got some town points. @MartinGG99 , I ask you again, release your full town/scum list now, please. Don't afraid of misslynching, noone will instantly follow it. Answer asap, plz, we losing time.

    I have no logical answer why we don't need to vote Bakermir now. But I have some feeling that he acts the same way as me in previous long game, as cornered townie. I have 2 ppl in my strong scum list: Barkermir and Dark Magician. Only 2 options for me:
    1. vote DM
    2. don't vote

    Now I will
    -vote Dark Magician


    I ask the players: are you sure we need this d1 lynch? I will unvote instantly if you think we are not.

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    Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post

    No. My town list is Renegade, Mike and Auwt. Martin is neut. Also, I asked Martin to post his full town/scum list, but he ignored me. MM answered, so in my eyes Martin lost some town poinst and MM got some town points. @MartinGG99 , I ask you again, release your full town/scum list now, please. Don't afraid of misslynching, noone will instantly follow it. Answer asap, plz, we losing time.
    I believe Martin has already sent his read list (towniest to scumiest). There wasnt much explanation on why he did decide to use this particular order, but it exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I think I got a relative GTH (gun-to-head) read on everyone here who has posted so far:

    Townier
    Mike
    Auwt
    Frinckles
    Marshmallow Marshall
    Dark Magician
    Mesk514
    Varcron
    Renegade
    Zedus
    bakermir
    Thaiax
    Victor (Hasn't posted at all so if I can't put him anywhere I'll put him here for the time being. Prob subbed/replaced by D2?)
    Scummier

    Those with lower post counts are more subject to change, though tbh this goes for everything on this list as with d1 reads in general.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MafiaZ and Skwirl its all a repeat of history
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRevenant View Post
    But Potoss has Pobes, Zeelot, and Acrons!
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I believe Martin has already sent his read list (towniest to scumiest). There wasnt much explanation on why he did decide to use this particular order, but it exists.
    Oh, I read that post wrong way, like "tonies: everyone, scums: noone" and that was weird for me. Now I got, that it's "from 100% town to 100% scum" tier list.

    Well, then I ask Marting for a bit explaination on Frinckles and Dark Magician.

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    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    I have been hyperactive and this can be exhausting for readers so I am really sorry for all of that.

    From my POV, I felt like this would be ok approach to D1. I am trying my best to contribute for town. This is a long game though so I hope people will read my posts down in the line and see this spotlight I am being put in to. It is horrible to be me right now thanks to scum team I have been alienated from everyone.

    I will keep everything in one post. I won't be voting until it is very late or maybe not vote at all depending on how scum are voting. If there is nothing interesting then I will be probably placing my vote on Martin/Frinckles or Victor if we change our mind to lynching this slot.


    Town:

    Renegade
    Bystander to D1. He invested considerable effort on observing the details about me and Mike. This makes me believe he is town. His other posts were also quite town indicative except his exchanges with Zedus which I am not sure what is the purpose behind. I still want to believe he was genuine when he said we shouldn't scumtunnel by describing Zedus' playstyle to be "bombastic". This was constructive, at least for me so I will take that positive too.

    Mike
    In general, I like the game he started. But I also felt like somebody had to start a debate and point out what could be troubling for town on the long run. I have felt that he is either town or Alpha Wolf. The way he placed himself in this game fits the most desirable Alpha Wolf play. However, it is still D1 and all I wanted to make sure with Mike is that my eyes would be on him and I expect no less in return, he will be keeping an eye on me. With MM's intervention we have discovered more about each other and came to consensus that attacking each other is not helpful for town. We needed to look at others and not be stuck in status quo because thats what scum team would want. Leaving my speculations behind, I have no choice but put him in my D1 town reads.

    Varcron
    Similar game like Renegade. I don't see any harm yet from this slot. They haven't taken a clear stance most of the time and have been a bystander. Still did put effort on trying to understand what is going on and evaluate people. He has been objective and fair just like Renegade and opposite of what Frinckles/Martin doing. That gives me town vibes so he is TR.

    MM
    Normally I would assume this to be scum buddying me but I think no scum would go this far to provide point by point analysis and he did actually worked on reading me and not just Mike. He does question me not only Mike. However, his input and suggestions, his active involvement on stage have been very constructive and progressive. I believe he is town. One problem, his first vote on Mike and now voting DM indirectly puts me in a horrible spot. It looks bad and I don't know what to do about it but voice it.


    Town lean:

    Mesk
    Another bystander. Less invested into the game than Renegade, Auwt and Varcron. That's a bit hmmmmmm but can't blame them. I wanted to know more about them. In general they haven't tried to manipulate anyone so I give them that plus they haven't taken a stance either. Fully neutral and I don't know why would they have no questions for anyone. Maybe they will provide reads soon. Oh, I am not sure what was that exchange between MM and I hope it has nothing to do with this game. If it is, please can someone who knows both mesk and MM to look into it? It is confusing to me. Town lean here.


    Auwt
    Have been a bystander but did invest time and effort trying to understand all parties, be it zedus, DM, mike, me. However, I feel like there is something off with Auwt but then they mentioned their disappointment in what happened last game so I believe he is town lean here with their stance. I just hope I can earn their trust because they know me more than anyone here thanks to sc2 mod. What sc2mod bakermir do you see Auwt? I have been a terrible liar last game I admit. I have lied to your face there and I never said sorry after the game. It was dirty of me. However you see in that game I wasn't this much aggressive. This game is more in line with my first game. I have tried my best to distinct the two bakermir's from past two games because of my current wincon which is the exactly same as my first game with you on FM. Also it would help people who read my past two games to understand I am playing according to my rolecard. I am not white mage as Mike puts it. That's why we collided because I cc'd him in a certain way and wanted to see the game from his perspective. I did my best to overcome my paranoia here. Anyway, this is about you Auwt. I don't like how you are not taking a clear stance up until this point and it looks suspicious to me. You are also subtly pushing me off which indicates I am not that important to you and that you would be ok with voting me today. I just hope you are town and you can see in to me. Your reserved approach makes me double think your alignment at this point. I don't believe town Auwt would just tunnel but consider all possibilities. Town lean for Auwt.


    Zedus
    I have done a lot of exchanges with this slot. I still believe something is off with them but I am still unsure about the nature of things behind. He did the right thing by stepping back and that makes him townlean for me. If he wants to go after Dark Magician or me at any point, I don't mind. I was only afraid he might have been a scum because of his "Bombastic" approach pointed out by Ren. He is as town as he can ever get. The weird part about him is his exchanges with others but mostly Martin. IF DM and I flip town today/tomorrow then this would be a slot everyone should look at. Zedus paired us. I am not sure about DM but I can assure you I will flip town and will disappoint everyone.

    Null:

    Victor
    No posts, no participation. We don't know anything and I believe we won't know anything even with a replacement. I think this slot shouldn't be ignored. I recommend this slot to be lynched or taken a very close look at tomorrow once the replacement is done. I can assure we are going to have a lot of headaches from this one.

    Scum lean:

    Frinckles
    He was townread for me most of the time. I understand where he is coming from and his passive stance as a bystander was justified. In contrast to that, his focus on me isn't justified. He given no reads, no questions, nothing. Just said "bakermir pinged me twice so i vote him" and disappeared. I thought they would have cancel it after some point and actually participate in the game. Sadly nothing happened. If he doesn't cancel his vote by EOD1 or I am lynched then I believe he is one of the scum. I will explain the math on this later. He is scumlean for me right now and depending on their EOD1 and D2 input he will be placed in either scum or town. He is Null to Scumlean lean. One of the people I would vote today.


    DM
    Tried to brave the storm in the beginning. He had a nice counter point to Martin's tpr claim but what he did wrong was to paint a target on Martin's head. This is not good for town. He should have kept this to himself. Once multiple people started to question his motives he pulled back and played an opposite of the game he was playing before. So I still believe this was a town reflex coming from him. For a long time I felt like DM was only trying to figure out alignment of people not roles. This is why I was reading him town but now after Martin's weird push on me he surfaced back and considering me suspicious. Wagon escape? What happened to the exchanges between DM and Martin early game? Was it only bussing? I don't know what to make of them. This is very inconsistent of them. I still think this slot needs to live another day just like how most of us should in that sense. Oh and inb4 he votes me today because I already have 2 votes and he is potentially consig or enforcer/virus or wants to save himself. I want to believe he is town deep down there and I hope he proves me that later. Now, I initially wanted to defend him seeing I kinda liked his effort on alignment hunt of Martin, this was seen differently by everyone else. I have to admit I have no idea about DM's alignment and if I defended him today and he flips scum, I would be big suspect and cause a mislynch on me. This is a fair point, we don't know his alignment because he shown very little town indication and more scum indication. This essentially made me look scum but I can see everyone's point here. I shouldn't blindly trust this type of gameplay, a mistake I have done in my first game. A lot of questions in this slot so I am putting them on scumlean for now.


    Martin

    Started the game with D2 claim. Indicated that he is not willing to share much on D1. This is understandable. He was confronted by DM on a fair point but the approach was indeed scummy by DM simply because DM have conditioned Martin way early on. I still believed I had no reason to trust either Martin or DM after this. People in general recognized this behavior of DM to be scum and now he is getting voted. What if this was bussing? Why do we just throw away all possibilities?

    Especially Martin. I believe you are capable of doing more than this. I still don't understand why would you push me like this. I have no debt to MM or DM and I don't understand this scum team claim of yours. You on the other hand placed yourself in a spot where you can claim anything tomorrow. Assuming you are not scum then I still don't understand why would you vote me as I have posed no threat to your indications and claims.

    This position you have now is really opportunistic Martin. This is where I stop seeing you as town but scum and this is why I agree with DM on why you could end up being a liar. All because you have been voting me. This is the PROOF you are scum. You could have voted DM, who actually tried to expose you but instead you vote me for BS. It feels like there is something off with your reads with certain people. Mainly Zedus and DM. I have a feeling you have bussed with one and later on one of you will be sacrificed and other one will get full towncred then win the game for mafia. When I look at Martin's slot, things he have said and the position he takes only indicates he is most probably trying to get on the good side of everyone but still having some doors open. He is literally fencesitting here with Zedus and essentially his read on DM contradicts his other posts.

    Either way, this guy now thinks I am a threat and wants me out. If he doesn't remove his vote then he is legit scum.

    Martin avoided me as both of us were online together for a long time. His game changed suddenly when I was missing for good 10+ hours he used this time to make propaganda against me after Frinckles shot a fire.

    Any town with an ounce of brain wouldn't follow this train.


    A wolf voting a sheep.

    THIS IS NOT JUSTIFIED.

    You can't expect doctor to heal you after all of this. What is your game Martin? You are reeking wolf here and a very scum one. You are at the bottom of my list too because you have NOTHING against me. This is all fake. A true townie TPR wouldn't vote me like this and be active in propaganda. So DM is right and if you ever claim TPR at any point you will be a liar. You have shown colours and you have only one chance to correct this Martin. Take your vote back and lets reassess this situation. You vote me = you will help DM or scumteam form a case against you. So this vote of yours is only indicates you are a scum or a townie digging his grave. I believe you will show reasoning here and understand your mistake. Until then, you are scum for me. Also sorry for this read on you, it turned into more of a personal rant than actual read but you gotta understand your slot is really frustrating and I don't want to put you in a horrible position if you ever somehow turn out to be town. But yeah, this is what you wanted I guess. I stand firm you are guilty until proven otherwise.



    ======

    Anyway, this is my train of thought and analysis of D1 in general;

    Everyone agrees that scum will start a vote on someone for D1. It would be impossible for all 4 scums to hammer as it would be too revealing. One or two of them will leave a vote and rest will follow at some point. They will do their best to avoid suspicion for tomorrow. Heck maybe the later votes from scum team might not even happen(especially with virus) if town is trapped. I feel like this push on me by Frinckles and Martin doesn't feel right and rest of town is being pulled into this trap.

    I believe in the following math for D1 based on my reads.

    By excluding the 50/50 scenarios I get the following;

    Virus will be passive on D1. This slot may end up voting last or maybe not vote at all.

    At least 1 scum will be passive on D1 and have a similar play with virus during the day. this scum will be enforcer.

    At least 1 scum will carry the flag on D1 via votes or posts. this leader is either godfather or consig.

    I suspect vigilante's to TPR hunt but subtly.

    I suspect sheriffs to act like citizens and consig to act like wolf.

    Detective, Doctor and Citizens are going to be a lot of WIFOM and this is where I suspect enforcer and virus to hide.




    Also everyone, please refer to my post #266 as it was clear indication on how I felt about the DM and Martin exchange also I've hinted at a possible scum attack on me later on D1 with this certain poem.



    If @Martin and @Frinckles doesn't remove their vote from me, they should be put under spotlight as soon as possible and therefore people should consider my vote on one of them for today. Not much time left anyway. I will be here all day for discussion with anyone if people want anything from me.

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    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Sorry forgot to copy/paste Thaiax from my notepad.


    Thaiax
    Two posts I can read. First one is scum indicative saying he is willing to follow a train. Second post is more detailed but in the end it doesn't add anything progressive for town wincon, still wants to wagon. Null/Scumlean



    Oh and I will give it one or two more hours then I will probably make a choice between Frinckles or Martin. I think it will be Frinckles as it looks like they had no input entire game other than me pinging him. Also did anyone notice martin posting vote counts before he went away? ugh it is so hard to make a decision between the two for me

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    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I am back!


    Is this make special somehow? Idk where are you from, but in my country noone cares what is between your legs from 1918.
    Also you should know, that in russian language "sk" ending is male ending, like Khabarovsk or even Mengsk, female ending is "ska", "ka", like Alyaska or Ivanka. So Mesk for me is basicaly male name, according to my language, but now I know you are girl, don't worry, from this momen you will be "she" for me. But first you are the player, as others.


    I already have fun game, and even if you are most boring person in the world, and you will release the Ultimate Power of Boredom, you will not break it.


    No chance

    Well, I found this agressive play as probably town-like, but only because I like agressive town plays.


    Noone cares. But maybe Renegade will tell you something about "ego" Well, offtopic mode - OFF.


    I am not the member of "reading" cult, sorry.


    I publicaly asked host about that and he answered in publit that mafia will have their own chat only at night. So mafia HAVE NOT some strategy they created in night chat, but they WILL have it d2. After that I will talk about probably strategy (if i survive the night) or I will leave lw with my thoughts about it. Also I am absolutely sure mafia know who are the others, because without this basic rule game have no sence. It's "informed minority vs uninformed majority". If mafia does not know each other, what's the point of playing? Randomly lynch each other d1? They can't only communicate out of game for now, host confirmed that, but they must know each other.



    Yes, looks like it is.


    No. My town list is Renegade, Mike and Auwt. Martin is neut. Also, I asked Martin to post his full town/scum list, but he ignored me. MM answered, so in my eyes Martin lost some town poinst and MM got some town points. @MartinGG99 , I ask you again, release your full town/scum list now, please. Don't afraid of misslynching, noone will instantly follow it. Answer asap, plz, we losing time.

    I have no logical answer why we don't need to vote Bakermir now. But I have some feeling that he acts the same way as me in previous long game, as cornered townie. I have 2 ppl in my strong scum list: Barkermir and Dark Magician. Only 2 options for me:
    1. vote DM
    2. don't vote

    Now I will
    -vote Dark Magician


    I ask the players: are you sure we need this d1 lynch? I will unvote instantly if you think we are not.
    I think it’s always good to D1 lynch.
    Even if it’s me here.
    He does give us information we can look at based on wagonomics and interactions.

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    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I believe Martin has already sent his read list (towniest to scumiest). There wasnt much explanation on why he did decide to use this particular order, but it exists.
    When you question why he puts me as his 5th Town when I honestly haven’t done much this game to be considered a Town Read. Town Lean at Post. I’ll admit I have been slacking a bit.

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    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Hey team. I'll be honest with y'all.
    A ton of the "reads" I'm seeing I simply can't follow the logic. If somebody is quiet how does that make them any more likely to be scum? And how can you POSSIBLY lynch on Day 1?
    The above is also the reason for my "inactivity". I'm reading, just feel I have nothing to add (because I think, frankly, everything being said is baseless)

    Also mike claimed VT, not martin. I misremembered.

    As a direct result I'll let a replacement take over for me; It's not that I don't want to play mafia, it's that this way of playing makes absolutely no sense to me. If you're enjoying yourselves then great. Have a good one, team.

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