S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[WrathCyber]

because I've found him to be a shadow last night

uh huh

[PQRnHack]

because I've found him to be a shadow last night

Curious to hear your thoughts on my #2298, especially question at the end.

[Oberon]

To my knowledge, neither Magus nor Darkness receive feedback about the success or failure of their leveling action. Their target does.

sad

[Oberon]

Curious to hear your thoughts on my #2298, especially question at the end.

well, if he lies about being RB'd, that would invalidate blink's claim that yuesford could've visited him and levelled him up at the same time.
that being said, I'm not completely satisfied with that answer.

[Oberon]

its also possible, and more likely, that MM lied about being role blocked to soft TPR.

[Oberon]

you know what I'd do as magus? target wrath and frinckles.

[Oberon]

as fire magus off

[Numbertwo]

Hello. im glad everyone is joining my train on MM.

Could anyone give me a quick update on what has happened while i was sleeping and then working?

[Oberon]

Hello. im glad everyone is joining my train on MM.

Could anyone give me a quick update on what has happened while i was sleeping and then working?

oh boy.

blinkskater implied he got levelled up (and possibly also down) last night (as villager). Frinckles revealed as Archer and said Yuesford visited blink skater last night. Yuesford later cryptically confirmed that he did in fact level up blinkskater on d1 (not n1). For some reason Frinckles thinks this makes Yuesford and blink shadows. :shrug:

I then revealed as Knight with a Shadow check on MM

[Numbertwo]

oh boy.

blinkskater implied he got levelled up (and possibly also down) last night (as villager). Frinckles revealed as Archer and said Yuesford visited blink skater last night. Yuesford later cryptically confirmed that he did in fact level up blinkskater on d1 (not n1). For some reason Frinckles thinks this makes Yuesford and blink shadows. :shrug:

I then revealed as Knight with a Shadow check on MM

Thanks.

I assume you are a lvl 2 knight now then?

I was already convinced that MM is scum even before that check.

[Oberon]

Thanks.

I assume you are a lvl 2 knight now then?

I was already convinced that MM is scum even before that check.

yeah

[Oberon]

I'll take a shot and guess you were randomized between two level 0s and roleblocked by the real magus.

He's not drunk, he's Templar :P I know for a fact he is lying, and doing this as scum on D2 is a death sentence. Even faking being Templar as scum would be very suboptimal, as Templar could easily claim and actually get lynched because he'd be counterclaiming a scum, or simply die one way or another, leaving him exposed. Not even WIFOM could save him from that. Therefore, he's Templar, case closed, and he needs to die. @ real magus

Why is Varcron in the scum pool?
Why is PQRnHack in the town gang?

can either of you explain why I'd threaten to kill ppl as jester/mafia on d1 yesterday? :P
I don't think you can: if I were jester I'd be mighty afraid of getting night killed and as mafia there's literally no reason to defend someone so hard. I could've just been okay with both lynches

[Oberon]

and lets fuck with the mechanics a bit:
@Auwt what happens if a Rogue hides behind another Rogue who hides behind someone else that gets role blocked?

[Oberon]

@Auwt what happens if a shaman targets a rogue, and a rogue hides behind the shaman?

[Oberon]

@Auwt what happens if the horror visits an inactive Magus? Which form would the Magus take, if any?

[Oberon]

ummmm @Marshmallow Marshall @Frinckles I just realised that if Yuesford is shadow and he just turned blink into e.g. Prophet, if the Magus uses his kill on Yuesford, and the Prophet uses his kill also, these ppl would drop dead at the same time. the prophet's nightkill has a delay of one day, same as fire magus'. why exactly were you going crazy about the prophet dropping kills on us? lol

[Oberon]

@Auwt even weirder question: what happens if someone who got visited by Horror got redirected into a rogue who hid behind someone that got role blocked?

[Oberon]

I swear on blink's children on his behalf that he won't flip mafia.

[Auwt]

and lets fuck with the mechanics a bit:
@Auwt what happens if a Rogue hides behind another Rogue who hides behind someone else that gets role blocked?

None of the Rogues would be roleblocked since the one being roleblocked is the one "accomodating" the Rogues, and not the Rogues themselves.

@Auwt what happens if a shaman targets a rogue, and a rogue hides behind the shaman?

Then the Shaman could be linked to whoever the other person is.

@Auwt what happens if the horror visits an inactive Magus? Which form would the Magus take, if any?

It would work like a Villager, would randomly visit but do nothing.

@Auwt even weirder question: what happens if someone who got visited by Horror got redirected into a rogue who hid behind someone that got role blocked?

Once again the roleblock part would not change the situation, then this someone would end up visiting the person whom has been redirected by the Rogue.

[Varcron]

Anyway, listen carefully and clearly. I'll make this as concise as possible.

I am (was) the Archer. Last night I tracked Yuesford who visited Blinkskater.

I am now a Watchful Ranger. (Level up bruh )

We know some basic things:

We start with two heroes in this game.
-I would be one of them, the other is supposedly Wrath according to their claim.
We're pretty sure there was no Mafia hit last night.
-This lines up with the no kill and could be indicative that the shadows chose to level up a team member.
Blink has no made any sort of indication that he was leveled up as a townie. He claimed Villager D1.
-He briefly alluded to (randomly) being worried someone may have visited him.
Yuesford has already claimed the following:
-"I had no substantial information to give. What would I say?"

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So what I'm getting at should be pretty apparent.

I'll add one more thing. I'm on the fence largely about how Wrath entered the thread in relation to Ozy. It comes off as scripted to me personally, but without the knowledge of who the other (real) hero would be, I can't really press it.



I'd keep the consideration that Blink has invested a good amount of time discrediting Wrath. In a SvS scenario, this could be useful. Make your teammate seem like scum to distance yourself, but also paint them as a neutral so the town wouldn't waste their time.

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And that's all folks! Personally, I'll be voting Blinkskater here. I doubt they had a contingency planned incase I spotted the level-up occuring.

And at worst, I outted every power role in the game in one foul swoop. Have at it.

-vote Blinkskater

p.s. why did you doofuses lynch ozy, i said he was a wildcard not scum..

TLDR; Yuesford+Blink scum team goodluck finding the last & templar

Okay, I'm assuming this is the primary thing you guys wanted my opinion on. I'm close to 15 pages behind seeing as I was busy yesterday.

I concur with this opinion, we shouldn't have lynched ozzy.


So we have frinckles CCing the level up, this is something I could see a scum doing every day of the week, so this could be indicative of a Frinckles scum team.

Or you just made it up, that's also a possibility. You're making this seem like that is out of the question and that brings into question your scum potential.

I'm on the fence with it too, but I credit that to Wrath being the jester in this game IMO

This is true

You're way overcomplicating this, he discreditted Wrath to the point where his opinion is basically useless, he's the jester, and I quite frankly came to the same conclusion earlier.


Oh, also, outing every power role in one fell swoop is a scum play, literally you gave the scum options for killing/deleveling especially if they figure out who the Magus is out of them.

[Varcron]

Blink has no made any sort of indication that he was leveled up as a townie. He claimed Villager D1/

He couldn't give a hint until the next day seeing as the level up happens as beginning N1, so this is again looking like paint.

[Varcron]

i was suspicious of ozy's lynch. i should've derailed it >_>

no one defended lag except for me

no one defended blink except for me

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frinckles, ur only chance of winning is by destroying my towncore, and rn the only way u can do that is by faking archer. if that's exactly what ur doing, then checkmate.

Ceko, don't doubt yourself on this one, this is right and Frinckles (at least to me so far being behind) is the scum out of the bunch.

[Varcron]

I'll take a shot and guess you were randomized between two level 0s and roleblocked by the real magus.

It depends, did anyone claim level down last night? I may have missed it if so.

If not that could mean MM as darkness is a possibility.

[Varcron]

The whole damn thing is fucking silly. Leveling up somebody during the day is what a Magus does. At night he fucks around with avatar powers. How the hell is Yues a Magus then? He is the evil God damn shadow because the shadow levels up his teammates at night.

So again for the fifth time.

If MM was hit by the only form of roleblock that only comes from Magus.

And Blinkskater was visited by a role that can only level him up at night.

Where are we at. Am I making sense? It's 4 am

Okay, so let me get this straight from what I've read with my half asleep and half dead brain


1. Blinkskater claimed that he was levelled up last night

2. Frinckles CCed the level up and claimed Yues visited blink

Correct me if I'm wrong with that statement.

[Varcron]

I really don't understand why this ultimatum is so difficult. You get a 2 for 1 here. You guys are seriously thinking that I'll sac myself as scum to take out a shitty Paladin claim who would be replaced overnight? Use your brain, they are scum.

Yes, considering you mentioned the option, I do think you would do that.

This is the same guy who completlely tricked everyone in Simply Arsonist by appealing to our reasoning that "Since he said it, he wouldn't do it!"

It's quite the opposite, I think you just told us exactly what you planned to do.

[Varcron]

"Elemental Magus (Utility) (LVL 3)
You are a unique role. You cannot be downgraded to a lower level.
Each day, target someone to level them up (you keep this power even when you choose an element).
During each night, choose one of your form and use their power (you cannot choose twice the same form) :"

Hmm I feel like Blink/Yues alignment can be solved by interpreting this correctly.

Blink/Yues are town, Frinckles is scum

That is my opinion and I'll stick with it.

-vote Frinckles

[Lumi]

Okay, so let me get this straight from what I've read with my half asleep and half dead brain


1. Blinkskater claimed that he was levelled up last night

2. Frinckles CCed the level up and claimed Yues visited blink

Correct me if I'm wrong with that statement.

Frinckles isn't ccing the level up, if an archer tracks someone that does an action they get a self level up independent of wizard or magus

[Lumi]

I don't like the recent developments, will post more once I'm not on mobile and back home

[Varcron]

your play is literally letting two scum slip away if yuesford isn't Magus.
I'm never not lynching Yuesford if he drops his Magus claim.
Also, if someone actually CC's, then that effectively confirms Yuesford and blink as scum

So Yuesford hard claimed Magus?

Because here is says otherwise:

Hey hey.. I never claimed Magus.. FYI! I'm a lonely villager!

What the fuck I just read and he claimed Magus too

Hi guys. As your fellow villager, I can assure you I level-upped blinkskater. This frinkle guy is trolling and evils rode with him.

I think that deserves a huh?

If you are actually magus, you'll want to protect yourself tonight because Scum is going to shoot you

If you're scum, we'll be able to tell pretty quickly if you're real or not.

[Varcron]

Frinckles isn't ccing the level up, if an archer tracks someone that does an action they get a self level up independent of wizard or magus

Oh okay that makes sense, I guess that confirms me as not archer then lol

So Pringles claimed that Yuesford visited Blink as darkness and leveled blink up seeing as blink was leveled up last night. This makes more sense to me

[Varcron]

I swear on blink's children on his behalf that he won't flip mafia.

Quite frankly I'd swear the same at this point in time, only 4 pages behind now.

[WrathCyber]

I'm following on Frinckle's vote as I think we all benefit from it greatly.

[Varcron]

so: gameplan
most likely scenario is yuesford magus, blink citizen -> paladin, frinckles detective -> detective/lookout, which makes the scum team mm/pornhack/lagattack? idk
the other scenario is yuesford darkness, blink jester l1 -> jester l2, frinckles detective -> detective/lookout, which makes the scum team yuesford/ceko/cyber

Both of these are likely off

Blink I think is citizen that was levelled up

Frinkles I think is probably scum framing Yues into visiting blink and as such forcing a mislynch which he'll have to defend tomorrow

yuesford/ceko/cyber

No, in no way does that scum list make sense, I don't even need to explain why.

[Varcron]

I'm following on Frinckle's vote as I think we all benefit from it greatly.

Use your own reads


Don't just sheep me because "Everyone benefits from it", that makes me think even more that you're jester.

[PQRnHack]

@Varcron main point of confusion was Auwt earlier describing the mechanic of leveling up at night incorrectly, he has since corrected that, specifically that the new LVL1 villager (upped from Vanilla villager, which Blink claims) cannot perform their LVL1 role's action until the following night (N2). With this clarified by Auwt, I don't think anyone is counter-claiming Blink's level-up. What we are not sure of is if he legit picked Paladin or might be a Shadow that got leveled up. There was also some questioning of whether upped villager would pick Paladin as their choice of role, Blink indicated he had a strong read on Magus (so he was planning to check that player to see if level 3, I suppose).

With no Magus CC, it seems that Frinckles may have found 2 townies.

Oberon also claims Knight and that MM came up as Shadow.

[Varcron]

here's what I think happened:
yuesford levelled up blink on d1, and on n1 yuesford visited blink and protected him with group magus.
on n1 frinckles did see yuesford visiting blink, and yuesford is now just kinda memeing about it cuz he doesn't want to be outed or something?

That's impossible if MM's roleblock claim is true, and by impossible I mean LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

Which means Yuesford is something else assuming we live in that reality.

[Varcron]

@Varcron main point of confusion was Auwt earlier describing the mechanic of leveling up at night incorrectly, he has since corrected that, specifically that the new LVL1 villager (upped from Vanilla villager, which Blink claims) cannot perform their LVL1 role's action until the following night (N2). With this clarified by Auwt, I don't think anyone is counter-claiming Blink's level-up. What we are not sure of is if he legit picked Paladin or might be a Shadow that got leveled up. There was also some questioning of whether upped villager would pick Paladin as their choice of role, Blink indicated he had a strong read on Magus (so he was planning to check that player to see if level 3, I suppose).

With no Magus CC, it seems that Frinckles may have found 2 townies.

Oberon also claims Knight and that MM came up as Shadow.

Town would not reveal as Magus on D2 especially knowing that Darkness has a one shot insta kill that if I'm not mistaken bypasses all immunity. You get my thought process?

[PQRnHack]

That's impossible if MM's roleblock claim is true, and by impossible I mean LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

Which means Yuesford is something else assuming we live in that reality.

Or MM was not actually RBed. Or Blink was Horror who got leveled up by Magus and used his Thing ability to RB 2 people.

[Oberon]

That's impossible if MM's roleblock claim is true, and by impossible I mean LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

Which means Yuesford is something else assuming we live in that reality.

I gather you think the claim is true then?

[Varcron]

Or MM was not actually RBed. Or Blink was Horror who got leveled up by Magus and used his Thing ability to RB 2 people.

Magus RB system doesn't work that way

You visit two people, if they're the same level only 1 will be roleblocked.

[Varcron]

I gather you think the claim is true then?

I quite strongly believe that the RB claim is true

Doesn't make sense to claim it otherwise.

[PQRnHack]

Town would not reveal as Magus on D2 especially knowing that Darkness has a one shot insta kill that if I'm not mistaken bypasses all immunity. You get my thought process?

I would hope so, but who knows.

[Oberon]

so varcron thinks frinckles pulled a big brain scum play and yuesford is something else, not magus?

[PQRnHack]

Magus RB system doesn't work that way

You visit two people, if they're the same level only 1 will be roleblocked.

I am not talking about Magus (Ice) doing blocking, I am responding to your post where we're discussing Elemental using to level up Blink. I am talking about Horror -> N1 upgrade (from Magus) to Disruptive Thing, which RB's 2 targets.

[Oberon]

I am not talking about Magus (Ice) doing blocking, I am responding to your post where we're discussing Elemental using to level up Blink. I am talking about Horror -> N1 upgrade (from Magus) to Disruptive Thing, which RB's 2 targets.

in that case we should have 2 roleblock claims, no?

[Varcron]

so varcron thinks frinckles pulled a big brain scum play and yuesford is something else, not magus?

I couldn't tell you what Yuesford is, except yes, I think Frinckles pulled a 500IQ scum play.

[WrathCyber]

aaa you're all overthinking this.

blink: bad
Yues: bad
Me:Good
Frinckles:good


Seriously there's no need to scumread one comment and analyze it 50000000 times to overcomplicate shit.

[Varcron]

in that case we should have 2 roleblock claims, no?

Okay, I am going to copy paste something from the setup to clear this up regarding that (I've read the setup alot since it first was in signup phase

Ice Magus (Roleblock) (LVL 3)
Target 2 players at night. You will freeze the highest level role between them, roleblocking them.

Taken directly from the setup page

[Varcron]

aaa you're all overthinking this.

blink: bad
Yues: bad
Me:Good
Frinckles:good


Seriously there's no need to scumread one comment and analyze it 50000000 times to overcomplicate shit.

Shhhh Templar, bing bong your opinion is wrong

[PQRnHack]

I am not talking about Magus (Ice) doing blocking, I am responding to your post where we're discussing Elemental using to level up Blink. I am talking about Horror -> N1 upgrade (from Magus) to Disruptive Thing, which RB's 2 targets.

@Varcron I am talking about this possibility (if applied to a Shadow that is LVL 1 Horror):

[*] If a Magus increases the level of a level 1 Hero/Shadow, they will get their new role at the beginning of the night, and can directly use it on the same night.